I think the modern reception of this movie became a caricature of what it was at the time...

Neither of the things you're saying negate my earlier points.

surely this bitch can do better

This is obviously retarded, it needs no elaborating.

Batman sniped him in the face with a kryptonite bomb which had him stunned, there was no need for wonder woman to bind him.

The bomb only stuns shortly and was the last one he had iirc and there's always uncertainties, so fixing him in place was not a mere option, it was the diligent thing to do.

Admit you're retarded.

Hate to bring this kind of shit into play but I'm waaay smarter than you.

mouseshills trying to rewrite history for the 50th time

Everyone was surprised that it was kino because we were all expecting complete shite. Everything about its production is an absolute fluke and yet it's undeniably a masterpiece that transcends the shitty genre it was made within.

Snyder didn't write it thoughbeit

Ironically, the only DC movies Zack Snyder had some involvement in the story were the first Wonder Woman and Justice League. Those were the only movies where he worked, in some capacity, together with the screen-writers in developing the story.

This movie was shit. It does have some nice cinematography and action scenes but it's a massive misunderstanding of all characters. It's fundamentally a broken story, and it wouldn't be a big deal if people enjoyed it for the slop that it is. The problem comes from brainless that genuinely thinks it's an artistic masterpiece. Jesse as lex was also Jared/joker levels of bad.

a massive misunderstanding of all characters

?

but it's a massive misunderstanding of all characters

because uh it just is okay!

The theatrical version was baffling. The Ultimate Edition is a masterpiece.

but it's a massive misunderstanding of all characters

Stop being a faggot. I'm a huge DC fan and i possibly know more about these characters than you. There is no misunderstanding.

Why didn't Wonder Woman use the spear to kill Doomsday?

Because it was Superman's responsibility. Doomsday was a manifestation of his sins of killing Zod and letting so many people die in Metropolis. Letting WW handle it would've been a bitch move.

sins of killing Zod and letting so many people die in Metropolis

No. Because Doomsday was Kryptonian.

Doomsday being a monster made out of Zod's corpse is something that is important thematically in the movie. Superman is fighting his own sin, both because he killed Zod, and because he fear himself becoming such kryptonian monstrosity, which is how Lex and others view him as. He's essentially fighting his own shadow.

Martha telling Clark he doesn’t have to do anything fuck people

Clark saying Superman was never real, just a “dream of a farmer” or something

Clark saying “nobody can stay good in this world”

Clark more willing to out-and-out murder someone instead of just listening for his mother’s heartbeat to rescue her

Bruce willing to out-and-out murder somebody on a “.1% chance” he could be bad

Bruce branding criminals knowing they’ll be killed in prison

this is from Man of Steel so it’s kinda cheating but Pa Kent telling Clark “maybe” when Clark asked if he should’ve let kids on the bus die

I’m sure there’s more but I haven’t watched it since the Ultimate Edition came out and those are just the particularly egregious ones I remember

t. Has been reading Superman comics since I was 2 years old in the late 80s and has a shrine to Superman in my house

Clark more willing to out-and-out murder someone

Like Byrne did in the 80s

Bruce willing to out-and-out murder somebody

Every Batman movie has done this but now it's suddenly "a massive misunderstanding"?

Superman is fighting his own sin, both because he killed Zod

Genuinely asking I haven’t watched the move since it came out and don’t remember was the fact Superman killed Zod brought up at all in BvS? I just remember it being weird that Snyder claimed Superman had to kill Zod in Man of Steel to teach him he shouldn’t kill then the first thing we see Superman do in BvS is splatter a human being through a brick wall

But see you’re taking all that stuff out of context because you’re upset it’s not the exact version of Superman/Batman you wanted. To say you don’t like it because it’s not your cup of tea is completely fine. But to pass it off as objectively correct/incorrect is autistic.

Snyder didn't write either MoS or BvS

splatter a human being through a brick wall

He claimed later on in the movie to have not killed anybody there so if anything it was just for dramatic effect.

MOS: 68% second weekend drop
BvS: A historic second weekend drop of 81% without no competition it’s second weekend

Snyder fags trying to do revisionist history. The massive drops means people hated what they saw and it got horrific word of mouth

every batman movie

Adam West goes POW and knocks your fake fan ass back into tomorrow, but still doesn't kill you

That's funny because West was completely unfaithful to 60s Batman in every other way

Didn’t he accidentally pulverize someone and had to explain it to Robin?

Maybe in the show, certainly not the movie.
Yeah. And?

And?

This is a discussion about whether film Batmans are accurate to the real character, ChatGPT. Update your memory

Bruce branding criminals knowing they’ll be killed in prison

That guy was a child sex trafficker

Like Byrne did in the 80s

It’s ironic Snyderfags always bring that up as justification but the reason Byrne did that was because he was pissed with editorial and wanted to do a big middle finger. But even then it wasn’t something Superman really had a choice in unlike in BvS where he literally could’ve just flown above Metropolis (very nice of the kidnappers to bring Martha to Metropolis) and listen for his mom which he demonstrated he could do in the previous movie

muh previous Batman movies

The Burton and Schumacher movies worked on cartoon rules where Batman could knock a fat guy down a tunnel with dynamite strapped to him and not kill him. The Nolan movies had the “no-kill rule” but wasn’t as autistic about it as the comics. The Snyder movie had it as a major plot point but wanted you to assume the cartoon-world-rules when the “no kill” thing was inconvenient (ie the warehouse fight which was after Batman supposedly saw the error in his ways and wasn’t going to be so violent…except he blows up one guy with a grenade and smashes the skull of another guy ((complete with blood splatter)))

We're not discussion whether it's the best movie little bro, the point of contention was whether it's a misunderstanding to have the characters do the things they do and you just admitted every incarnation of them does the same things

Suck my cock, grok.

I am really autistic about Superman so I can’t really imagine any context where Superman saying nobody can stay good in the world would work for me. It wasn’t my cup of tea and I didn’t like it because Snyder and co did not understand the character or what makes him work.

Synder didn't write the movie

Jonathan Kent being unsure and unhappy with Clark becoming a superhero is something taken straight out of Superman: Birthright, written by Mark Waid. That comic was supposed to be the character canonical origin during the early 2000s.
Martha Kent saying Clark doesn't NEED to be a superhero is something taken from various comics, including the iconic John Byrne's run, that heavily influenced Superman comics and media for decades.
Superman having moments of self-doubt is something so fucking common i am wondering if you're actually a fan of the character. I can pinpoint several specific moments from various comic book writers known for writing the character, like Grant Morrison that every casual fan says is the best Superman writer.
Batman branding criminals is something taken from the very first serial done about the character and also a nod to Zorro, a character that inspired the creation of Batman both in real life and inside Batman's own story.
Batman killing criminals is, indeed, a somewhat new take but it has its origin in Frank Miller's Dark Knight series which didn't stop at The Dark Knight Returns, as well JLA: Rock of Ages, which was written by Grant Morrison.

I can go on and on telling you about several comic book stories that served as an inspiration for BvS. Famous comic book stories, i might add.

The Burton and Schumacher movies worked on cartoon rules where Batman could knock a fat guy down a tunnel with dynamite strapped to him and not kill him.

The Burton movies had Batman purposely killing criminals, and the first Schumacher movie, Batman Forever, had as a plot point that Batman decided to stop killing because he wanted to teach Robin that killing wasn't really an answer.

you just admitted every incarnation of them does the same things

Nooo, my bitch was that Superman was willing to murder Batman to save his mom when there was a much easier, less murder-y way to save her and you said well he killed in Byrne’s run and I countered saying he only killed in Byrne’s run because he didn’t have a choice, the Phantom Zone criminals were too dangerous to let fly around. My other bitch being Batman knowingly and premediatingly doing something that would get someone killed, you said he’s done that in all the movies and I said no he really didn’t.

I am really autistic about Superman so I can’t really imagine any context where Superman saying nobody can stay good in the world would work for me.

This was literally taken from a famous comic. Word for word. One of the biggest tropes in Superman comic is Superman having doubts if he is doing the right thing or if he should keep being a superhero, with him having these momentary doubts and taking a small leave of absence.

Nooo, my bitch was that Superman was willing to murder Batman to save his mom when there was a much easier, less murder-y way to save her

Did you watch the movie? Superman didn't want to kill Batman, and in fact didn't do it. The moment he stepped down to meet Batman he begged Batman to stop and listen, asking for his assistance.

You're a fucking moron that didn't even watch the movie, much less read any comic book.

he really didn't

This. What was Snyder thinking directing this in the 80s?

you said he’s done that in all the movies and I said no he really didn’t.

And you'd be wrong.

things taken from various comics

Yeah, I’ve read all those comics and either the context or the execution was completely different. If you have a panel with Pa Kent telling young Clark it’s more important to let people die than to reveal to anyone he has powers I’d love to see it.

Batman killed people in Dark Knight Returns

No he fucking did not and I swear to Christ if you post the panel where Batman shoots the wall by the Mutant to scare her so he could grab the kidnapped baby I’ll fucking throat punch you. It’s said SEVERAL GODDAMN TIMES after that fucking page that Batman’s NEVER KILLED ANYONE

This was literally taken from a famous comic. Word for word.

Genuinely asking for the source for this, I’ve read about every post-Crisis Superman and most pre-Crisis and have never seen this.

Yeah, I’ve read all those comics and either the context or the execution was completely different.

If you did, you'd know where the line came from.

No he fucking did not and I swear to Christ if you post the panel where Batman shoots the wall by the Mutant to scare her so he could grab the kidnapped baby I’ll fucking throat punch you.

You can debate that all you want, but you can't deny Miller's Batman killed several times in the sequels that are fucking canonical to The Dark Knight Returns. Miller's Batman is a killer.

Batman doing the only thing he can do to stop the Joker from escaping that, unbeknownst to him, would ultimately lead to Joker’s demise is the same thing as Batman branding criminals knowing any criminal who goes to jail with that brand will be murdered

Batman in the same movie strapped a dinamite to a guy, and smiled when that guy exploded.

>Martha telling Clark he doesn’t have to do anything fuck people

How does one get so horrendously filtered? This is b8 right?
Her point was that he didn't have a duty and could be as selfish as he liked. Thus, when he chose to help people it was because he was actually a good person and not someone who felt obligated.
Fucking hell. Not even going to respond to anything else in this shitheap of a post

IT WAS THE ONLY THING HE COULD DO, MY BATMAN WOULD NEVER KNOWINGLY AND PREMEDIATINGLY DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET SOMETHING KILLED!

okay Batman didn’t kill in the book I mentioned but he definitely killed in the sequels that were made after 9/11 broke Miller’s brain

He never mentioned a single book, ChatGPT

Frank Miller's Dark Knight series which didn't stop at The Dark Knight Returns

That was Batman Returns.
And, again, cartoon-world rules. Selina survived a bunch of stuff that should’ve killed her

hurr hurr she has magic cat powers

Now who’s the one getting filtered

You said "would never do something that would get something killed", now it's okay if they survived off-camera?

Selina didn't survive, she was killed. She had nine lives. The Burton's movies aren't like the comics.

which didn't stop at The Dark Knight Returns

Oop, you got me on that one i misread. But in my defense anyone pointing at Dark Knight Strikes Again as an example for how Batman should act is probably retarded. Actually wait does Batman actually kill anyone in DKSA? At the end the Hawkkid smashes in Lex’s head but if I remember correctly Batman let the Hawkkid do it because Batman flat out says he doesn’t kill.

True, Strikes Again wouldn't be able to influence BvS. Snyder's movie came out before 9/11, as we know

She had nine lives

Filtered

Batman literally killed the original Robin, Dick Grayson, who ended up coming back as a new version of the Joker.
Zack Snyder was inspired by all of Miller's comics, which is why the dead Robin in his movie is Richard, and not Jason.

Every Batman movie has done this but now it's suddenly "a massive misunderstanding"?

Its been a constant complaint you fucking mong

Then why is the thread full of people arguing it's okay when Burton does it?

Batman literally killed the original Robin, Dick Grayson

Oh that’s right I forgot about that

Zack Snyder was inspired by all of Miller’s comics, which is why the dead Robin in his movie is Richard, and not Jason

Okay couple things. If Snyder thought using anything from DKSA for his movie was a good idea then he’s even more retarded than I original thought. Two, I’m pretty sure a Dick Grayson Nightwing movie was in production for Snyder’s DC Universe, so if Richard was the dead Robin then that wouldn’t make any sense. I really don’t think Snyder really thought which Robin that was just that it looked cool so he used it and didn’t give it any thought beyond that. Three, Jason was the dead Robin in Miller’s Dark Knight universe, first mentioned in the actual book then later confirmed in that one shot drawn by John Romit Jr that name’s escaped me at the moment.

It doesn't matter what Snyder thought, he didn't write the movies.

Because Burton didn’t make Batman’s “no kill rule” a major fucking plot point for the character.

The discussion is about whether it's appropriate for the real character to kill, no the tone of the movies, ChatGPT.

The jews hated all those Christian symbolism in MOS and decided to destroy Snyder

Nolan's didn't kill except for letting Ra's die.
Snyder's straight up is using guns, smashing cars on top of minions and throwing granades to blow up goons
There isn't even a thought, a struggle or internal monologue about killing. He's just willy nilly dropping bad guys

BvS was alright, probably a decent 7/10. The real autism started in Justice League by holding it to 6 founding members instead of 7 when Snyder himself advertised as such. Like what the fuck. Seems like even he knew he fucked up because he tried to slap on John Stewart at the end of ZSJL.

Nolan's didn't kill except for letting Ra's die.

He killed the ninjas and Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins, he killed Joker's henchmen and Two-Face in The Dark Knight, and he killed Talia's henchmen and Talia herself in The Dark Knight Rises.

Do you even pay attention to what you watch or read?

Thank God this scene was ghost-directed by Snyder or my argument would fall apart.

I’m pretty sure a Dick Grayson Nightwing movie was in production

It was never on the slate

Dead Robin was Dick and Jason would've been Nightwing instead
That was literally the plan was to swap the two Robins names and personalities

He never killed any of those. As per the rules of DC if the bad guys die it should be by their own machinations. He didn't directly kill the ninjas, they were bad guys who died by their own folly

He literally killed a Jokers henchmen with his bike.

This. Chucking an explosive into a small cell with two people in it is their own folly.

his own sin

he killed Zod

Not a sin.

he fears becoming such a Kryptonian monstrosity himself

Not a sin either.

In the movie it is meant to represent a sin. That entire third act is inspired by Excalibur, where King Arthur is forced to battle Mordred, his bastard son and enemy. Mordred in that movie is a representation of King Arthur's sin, because Arthur gave in to desire and slept with his own sister.

because Arthur gave in to desire and slept with his own sister

He didn't know. His sin was to despair.

God disagreed.

But ye have done a thing late that God is displeased with you, for ye have lain by your sister, and on her ye have gotten a child that shall destroy you and all the knights of your realm… For it is God’s will your body to be punished for your foul deeds.

synder has stated in several interviews that deconstructing pop art is the key to legacy. as in, take media which is popular, and beloved, and shitting on it, is the best way to make people talk about it decades or centuries later. he IS correct. Synder took the arguably most popular characters to ever exist in modern fiction, batman and superman, and he purposely and with severe intention, shit on them. Superman is normally a smiling boyscout who doesn’t kill? make him a frowning brooding murder man. boom, deconstructed. batman is normally the peak of human perfection with a strict moral code? he wakes up with bottles of booze and pills beside his bed. boom, deconstructed. and the tragedy of synder and his photography and liberal arts degree is… he is soooooo right. shit on batman and superman and your movie will live forever. people will argue and discuss and debate. incessantly squabble over the finer details of these most popular characters. who this appeals to most, are contrarians. they fucking looooove when pop art is deconstructed. the problem is, when the pop art is TOO popular, like batman and superman, then the popularity of this art decreases. and your daughter ends up committing suicide. you get fired from the biggest ip at the second biggest movie studio. and you end up making rebel moon.

inevitably your deconstruction leads to 300 million justice league box office. the flash bombs. Ben affleck becomes an alcoholic and divorced. but at least, the contrarians and pajeets on Anon Babble are happy

deconstruction bad

and he purposely and with severe intention, shit on them

He didn't write the movies

tell it to zack’s daughter. or do you need to deconstruct her coffin?

he was literally hired by wb after mos to crack the story for the future dceu alongside jim lee. fun fact: The dceu is currently locked inside a time loop wherein Clark is murdering everyone on the planet while Bruce tries to get Barry to the cosmic treadmill. as this story is unresolved, this is the permanent status quo on Synder’s DCearth among the DC Multiverse. this is Synder’s legacy: a murdering superman destroying all life on earth ad nauseum repeating enterally until the end of our existence

That's cool, he still didn't write the movies

I forget wonder woman was in this movie, very forgettable

Get rid of wonder woman
Recast Batman
Recast lex Luther
Get rid of doomsday
Get rid of the jar of urine
Get rid of the Batman power suit
Have them fight twice with Batman narrowly escaping the first fight and winning the second fight
Have them fight lex Luther in his Gundam or something at the end
ezpz

BVS:UC, MoS, ZSJL are peak cinema

Wonder Woman also cut off a part of his arm with her sword, implying she could kill him otherwise, like decapitation

Zack Snyder didn't write the movies. The script for BvS was an old one that David S Goyer tried to make it work before Chris Terio was hired to rewrite it.
Even then this whole story is inspired by Grant Morrison's JLA: Rock of Ages.
You want to blame someone for a story where Superman is corrupted, the world goes to shit, and Batman is a killer? Blame Morrison.

5 movies in one

lmao lets hear it
what were the movies?

no he only sat in a room with Jim Lee and literally wrote the story whilst literally storyboarding the story they were writing on his first gen ipad pro

If your thesis was coherent Jim Lee's daughter should be dead too.

what were the movies?

The Dark Knight Returns (Batman vs Superman)
The Death of Superman
Superman: Doomsday
Formation of the Justice League
Lex Luthor vs Superman
Anon, we've barely hit the tip of the iceberg.
Fuck yourself and your pretentious talk, douchebag

Superman: Doomsday

That's the Death of Superman

deconstructing

I think it was perfect for its time.
Snyder set the standard and I know it wont ever be matched. It will be funny watching all these pitiful capeshit try and fail. Copy and fail.

each movie would be boring as fuck.
Guess what anon, BVS was literally just backstory for what was to come.

shit on batman and superman and your movie will live forever.

it's true, but neither of these happened. deconstruction is good though. snyders dc movies are first ever dc comics movies that actually get it right. schumacher was close, but not quite there. west's batman was actually spot on (for the time)
snyders trilogy is to dc live action what btas is to dc animated

BVS was literally just backstory for what was to come

You don't realize how fucking retarded you sound. Snyder made a 4 HOURS LONG DIRECTORS CUT and all it amounted to was SETUP for a movies that never got made.
It also featured Batman impregnating Lois, KEK!
You snyder cultists are a bunch of fuckin third world asshats

nah if we’re using the word thesis then the correlation of events would preclude jim lee directed the film as well, which he did not.

I digress, but in the last few (You)s, there is this bizarre thought that Synder dIdNt WrItE iT… which is utterly strange. he was the architect and storyteller of the dceu. he cracked the story from bvs through justice league 1, and hypothetical 2 and 3. he cracked the story for Wonder Woman. he cracked the story for aquaman. and why? Because this was literally his job and what he was hired to do after mos. this is such a strange conversation to have, that Synder wasn’t somehow the one singular guy who made the creative decisions on dc films between 2013-2017. the only decision was vetoed on was the justice league email in bvs, that was tsujihara

furthermore, the credit goyer received on bvs was a residual contract credit as he submitted both a pitch and an actual draft for bvs back in 2000 for aronofsky. his script is not dawn of justice, not a single word of his was used in 2016. he received the credit because WB bought his script and the film features the legally distinct and recognized characters Batman (TM) and Superman (TM).

I know a lot of you are either children or contrarians or pajeets or just plain old idiots, but 2016 was not forever ago, and it is very easy to recall reality from that year.

The director's cut wasn't 4 hours or included Batman impregnating Lois, you should criticise things you've actually watched

Man of Steel
BvS
Justice League

That's all we needed. We didn't need a Wonder Woman movie or an Aquaman movie. Suicide Squad is kind of fun though.

Synder dIdNt WrItE iT… which is utterly strange

Check the credits according to the Writer's Guild Association, which is absolutely ruthless in giving everyone shekels to the point Gunn has a co-writer for Guardians 1 in a script he wrote from scratch because Nicole Perman wrote a discarded draft before he came aboard.

Batman impregnating Lois

Thats what snyder was building up to you fucktard. It came out in the leaked Terrio storyboards

The story of WW was made by Zack Snyder. Not the script itself, but he sat with the script-writer, an old comic book writer turned script writer that worked on WW comics before, and the two of them wrote the story together. ZSJL make several callbacks to it.

Yes, the movie is kind of gay and they cut out his third act for being too depressing but that movie should be counted.

Don't get angry dude, you said there's a non-existent 4 hour directors cut with that scene.

Running time 242 minutes

Do they not teach you basic arithmetic in Slumbai?

That was one of his ideas that got shot down and Snyder himself agree it was dumb. The only reason he put that out was because of Excalibur (ie: Superman being King Arthur and Batman being Lancelot), and because Bruce Timm did it before in the cartoons. But he agreed it was dumb. In ZSJL you can see that Lois is pregnant, and that Superman's the father. She barely interacted with Batman. In fact the moment Wonder Woman came in as a love interest that story idea was over.

all it amounted to was SETUP for a movies that never got made.

lmao.
I think normies fail to understand the cultural impact. All your favorite capeshit are literally copying snyder's shots.
BVS is a masterpiece yet to be recognised as such. I'm just greatful to be alive, to have witnessed it.

Perman attended a writer’s workshop for marvel studios in 2010, I believe, and pitched the idea of a guardians movie with a single page plot outline. this single page and pitch was purchased and bought by marvel studios. they were contractually obliged to give her story credit for any future guardians film by virtue of money exchanging hands.

Snyder made a 4 HOURS LONG DIRECTORS CUT of BvS!

The Director's Cut Ultimate Edition is 182 minutes long

Yes, that's why I brought it up. If Snyder wrote way more than a single page according to you, where's his script credit? In any of the movies?

Meant for

this is the problem with most of Snyder's defenders. They assert something represents something. Maybe you are right that is the intention, but he fails to make it make sense in the story. If it doesn't make sense it just fails

okay maybe you're right in any level a grown up cares about but what if I want to take everything literally and cinemasins calls it a plot hole?!?!

It's laughably pathetic that grown adult men think that 1930s homoerotic men in tight fitting spandex somehow represent mythological gods when they were created by jews who hate any and all gentile gods and these bullshit characters were made to mock them

because he didn’t write a single word and not a single page of his plot was purchased by WB. he cracked the story with jim lee for bvs through justice league 1-3 through a closed door conversation while he storyboarded shots on his ipad pro. I should look it up, but off the top of my head, Synder did receive a story credit on wonder woman and aquaman, as these were cracked later and likely transcribed through email. We shall see if my memory serves after hitting post.

fucking this nigga, I think if there were mythological characters named thor or hercules I would have heard of them yk

IT'S UTTERLY STRANGE TO SUGGEST SNYDER DIDN'T WRITE THEM! THIS IS SUCH A STRANGE CONVERSATION! IT IS VERY EASY TO RECALL REALITY!

okay he didn't write a single word

Are we really squabbling over the reality of typing words into final draft and selling a script visa ve closed door conversations? when you tell tales around the campfire, do you bring your agent and attorney to negotiate story credit too?

>Clark more willing to out-and-out murder someone instead of just listening for his mother’s heartbeat to rescue her

there is an actualy deleted scene about this lmao

but long story short, you are and idiot

lmao what? Everybody laughed at how terrible it was. Even Deadpool 2 made fun of it.

Snyder came up with a basic plot firing from the hip in a single conversation

There was another guy in there

I don't know who contributed who

The actual scripts were written by other people, across years, through thousands of words

This means Snyder is at fault for subverting culture to the point he killed his daughter

But I'm the one saying utterly strange things

Even Deadpool 2 made fun of it.

We didn't need a Wonder Woman movie or an Aquaman movie. Suicide Squad is kind of fun though.

The last statement contradicts the first 2. They didn’t need to exist but they are neat additions. Everything after Aquaman was garbage though.

Superman is a shit hero for modern day audiences. The caracter is way too overpowered for anyone to care in a modern era.

Batman, Deadpool, and even Wolverine are more relatable. And before you cry "2 out of 3 of those characters are invincible" not as invincible as Superman.

Superman is the only one in that list who has died multiple times in movies

so, I know this is entirely lost on you, but I do believe YTA who first brought up the wga. the guild has very strict guidelines and actual laws about how writing credits are given. up to and including mandates which prohibit and or allow writers to even scribe a single letter onto paper. according the wga, which you brought up, so I assumed you knew, even typing a single letter into final draft is act of legal definition and liability. thus, this is WHY Synder cracked the story with Jim Lee in a closed door conversation while he storyboarded the shots. as director, his storyboard art falls under guidelines from the dga. if he left that room with even a single piece of paper or a single letter typed into his iPad, it would technically fall under the preview of the wga. it’s much easier for the whole production if he and Jim Lee cracked the story verbally then hired a scriptwriter to finalize a draft. this is actually how mooooooost big budget action films are written. the story is cracked long before a writer is hired. they’ll even start working on previs from a storyboards before a single letter is typed. this is literally most mcu films, bee tee dubs.

if you’re going to pretend to care about the wga, it’d be cool if you knew how it worked instead of sperging out and flat earthing over synder’s 2015.

Spics and Indians have a movie that gives exposition in the dumbest way possible, yet for them it's profound

Kek.

This only makes sense working backwards from the assumption that Snyder wouldn't want to be credited, for whatever reason, even though he's written for plenty other movies he's directed. It also doesn't explain why he DID get credited in a story role for Wonder Woman but not BvS (which according to you was him killing his daughter)

gives exposition in the dumbest way possible

Then why are people still asking basic questions about the plot ITT?

he got a story credit for ww and aquaman because his cracked story was written down, somewhere, in an email I assume. are you literally learning, right now, how the wga and writing credits work? YOU BROUGHT IT UP

I thought according to your conspiracy theory Snyder couldn't write a single word and had to ghost-write because getting credit would make the production more difficult (somehow). Now it turns out he can write down for whatever movies he chooses, so why not BvS?

how the wga works is a… conspiracy theory? you can like bvs all you like but denying the reality of how the wga literally and actually functions is a new one, for me, on Anon Babble. you are flat earthing a writer’s guild? pfffft what the actual fuck

none of those characters are relatable. if anything I relate to Superman the most out of any of them since he grew up more or less in a normal household and acts like a normal guy not a brooding autist or a wacky 4th wall breaking quip man

I'm quoting your words, I don't think anything is a conspiracy theory. You're claiming Snyder wrote BvS and it followed his deconstructionist philosophy to such a strict degree, it makes him responsible for the death of his daughter. When I pointed out he was never credited for anything related to BvS, you claimed he still planned the entire story, despite Lee being in the same room as him and you not having any way of telling who came up with that. Afterwards, you claimed he HAD to avoid writing down things because if he got credited for the story (which he did write, in an open secret, according to you) that would make production more difficult. Yet he was credited in other DCU movies and that didn't make production more difficult.

I understand what you’re saying but you need to understand everything I’ve stated is established fact and has been documented throughout the last ten years. nothing I’ve said is conjecture other than the assumption he got a ww and aquaman story credit through an email. it’s all come out in the wash through interviews and trades well over a whole decade now. synder cracked the story for bvs and justice 1-3. he stated in a puff piece for variety he learned about deconstructing pop art from his mother, who is also a visual artist, and later had this belief validated in photography school when they explored Andy Warhol. please, feel free to google Jim Lee and Zack Synder and share with the class what you find. I’m not here to convince you of reality because reality is reality and it need not my help. please consider, for a moment, you are conversating with a person who likely is more informed on this subject than (You). which is not necessarily a good thing, there are stickers for those who know how a 2016 superhero film was made. only (You)s apparently

I understand what you’re saying

I'm not saying anything, that was what you're saying.

he learned about deconstructing pop art from his mother

I never disagreed with your analysis of Snyder's beliefs, they are simply not relevant because he didn't write BvS.

everything I’ve stated is established fact

You said you killed his daughter, are you actually clinically insane?

it was stated during some zoom interview in 2021 by Synder with that… vfx youtube channel, I think. that his daughter reacted badly to the social media outrage towards bvs and her admiration for her father coupled with this zeitgeist anger toward him is what led her to depression. which I found fascinating, and sad. but also…

Don’t fuck with Batman and Superman and expect everyone but the contrarians on Anon Babble to love it.

It was stupid and boring to redo bathman's parents getting shot in slow mo when ww just saw the Dark Knight trilogy. The problem with the film was that it was BORING

Everything I state is established fact and you're utterly absurd, a conspiracy theorist, and film illiterate if you disagree

Snyder wrote every single element of BvS, by which I mean, quoting myself, "he didn't write a single word"

Snyder had to write it in secret, because getting a credit would have complicated production, despite it not complicating production in all the DCU films he was credited for

He killed his daughter, despite him not having anything to do with her suicide and him not being behind bars

But remember, I only state facts!

Don’t fuck with Batman and Superman and expect everyone but the contrarians on Anon Babble to love it.

You're fucking unhiinged.

There seems to be some confusion here that I’ll do my best to clean up.

Man of Steel is thoroughly Nolan and Goyer’s story with Snyder being picked up because Nolan didn’t want to direct himself. The ONLY story decision that is confirmed Snyder’s is the killing of Zod because he thought the original ending of Superman putting him in a pod and throwing it into space was a cop out. This was meant to be a Superman trilogy following Nolan’s Batman trilogy until the BvS can of worms opened. Then we get to Batman V Superman which was written by drafted Goyer (it’s unclear how much of the “original script” he used) but the story “wasn’t there yet” so Affleck brought on his friend Terrio to help clean it up. Nolan was still a producer but had less of a role than in MoS. There were a lot of voices in BvS’ production: Goyer, Nolan, Terrio, Snyder, Affleck, Geoff Johns. Snyder noted in an interview that he had to convince Nolan to kill off Superman at the end. At some point before/during BvS’ production Snyder, Johns, and Jim Lee made the storyboards that included the whole Bruce/Lois romance. Snyder released these during the AT&T event right before ZSJL came out and noted it to be “a very first rough draft” that was just meant to give us a rough idea of how the universe would go without spoiling the actual plans. Stuff like Ryan Choi’s Atom and John Stewart* that are in ZSJL aren’t in those storyboards obviously. A lot of details changed since then. Justice League is the only DCEU project that has Snyder as a writing credit.

All in all while Snyder didn’t technically write MoS and BvS he proudly stood behind those projects, he’s not exempt. At the same time he shouldn’t receive the sole blame for what people didn’t like about those movies, especially in MoS where he had the least involvement in the writing process.

I don’t understand how the wga works, the same organization I brought up to win an internet argument

I seriously mean this, go back in time and show zach synder the butterfly effect of his deconstruction. he would change it, to the sadness of contrarians everywhere

Nope.
Snyder is responsible for every single word that came out of the character's mouths from the inception of the DCU, and every choice they made.
You're ignoring reality, creating conspiracy theories and know nothing about filmmaking.

I'm directly quoting you, what post are you quoting? :)

If he tried to change it he would have been fired because it wasn't his script, kind of like how he was fired from Justice League and the movie kept the same script because Snyder didn't pen it

This is the only person with knowledge behind the production that is speaking the truth.
For example the influence Geoff Johns had over these movies was immense. He pretty much convinced every WB execs to adapt only his comic book arcs. Same thing that is happening now under Gunn with Tom King running wild. Pretty much every movie or show is based somewhat on his stupid as fuck comics.

okay so I know you’re all too stupid to understand this but for fun let’s try it out

make up a story

write it down

literally transcribe a single serif of a single letter

get paid for it

you get a wga credit

make up a story (cracked)

you DONT write it down

you DONT scribe a single serif of a single letter

the studio doesn’t buy your page

you DONT get a wga credit

EVEN if you made up the story (cracked)

this reality is clearly the bedrock of your comprehension. (You) will go here and no further. any understanding or intelligent purview of how wga credits function is denied in this hall of Anon Babble. please, continue flat earthing, and being obtuse, and resilient in your retardation. you are the lifeblood of chan and your ignorance the bait. enjoy your existence of stubborn stupidity and ripe retardation.

If Snyder had to keep his involvement in BvS a secret to lower costs, why was that not an issue for Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Justice League? Square that circle for me.

Wonder Woman 1984 is definitely not great, even outside of the ending.

opening flashback drags on and on and serves almost no purpose other than telling us what a very vague theme of the movie will be

resurrected Chris Pine possesses the body of an existing man for no reason, and they proceed to put that man's body in extreme harm's way without his consent

Cheetah teleports across vast distances so that action scenes can happen, without doing much or anything to account for how/why she showed up

various events caused by wish-making are so hugely impactful on a global scale and so obviously supernatural that they break continuity and make it so Pa Kent in the 90s thinking "The world isn't ready for Superman" no longer makes any sense

without his consent

r3ddit speak is not welcomed here

it’s not a secret if he blabbed about it in interviews during the pandemic synder cut press tour. seriously, feel free to google Zack Synder and Jim Lee

I asked why it his writing credit didn't inflate Wonder Woman's budget, I didn't say anything about secrets.

consent is reddit

I wish the barbs upon thee

they were likely and legally obliged to give him a story credit because his cracked story was written down somewhere.

Why is this actually such a difficult concept for you and tv? The physical act of scribing serifs into letters and how this written word is ordained by the WGA? YOU GUISE BROUGHT THEM UP?!?! bvs is not unique, this is liiiiiteraaaaalllllyy how most modern studio films are written. they are workshopped behind closed doors, they crack the story, verbally. usually with some dan harmon story circle in the back on some whiteboard. the vast majority of mcu films are produced this way but I don’t see threads with hundreds of replies quibbling over the story credit on like fucking, the marvels. why are you weirdos so keen on divorcing Synder from his most personal and auteur film? he didn’t crack the story for 300 or watchmen. i honestly believe you guise are purposely obfuscating the reality of wga credits, and pretending to be idiots, and not understand them, because it’s fun and decent bantz.

I didn't ask why he was credited, I know why.

I'm asking how come that didn't inflate WW's budget so much it was unfilmable. After all, that's the only reason you can come up with for Snyder hiding his involvement with BvS's story.

I never mentioned the budget? I said it was easier for all involved in production. bvs was greenlit and rushed immediately after comic con. set designers and production needed reference material to begin work. costumers needed art and concept to begin fabricating. previs needed shots to begin plating and compositing. so zach put himself in a room with jim lee and came up with the story. saving the writer’s credit for the actual professional they would eventually hire. Goyer got his when sold his script in 2000. terrio came with affleck and finalized the draft, but in terrio’s own words, he said the story was the story and his speciality was dialogue. in fact, considering Synder got a story credit on ww and aquaman, I find it truly FUCKING WEIRD that you’re drawing some line in the sand and saying “bUt oF cOuRsE hE dIdNt FoR bVs”. so fucking weird

I love how you keep jumping at shadows and saying everyone's quibbling when people are just quoting your own contradictory claims that he's to blame for every deconstructional element (starting with MoS which he joined at the end of production) but he also didn't write a single word. You're quibbling with yourself.

zach Synder did not write a single word of bvs and he cracked the film’s story with storyboards. if you actually can’t understand how the above sentence is true, then you are actually too unintelligent to discuss filmmaking and the wga.

furthermore, I believe your continued insistence on misunderstanding the difference between drawing a story and writing it down is an effort to both troll me and receive my (You)s.

Well, you finally admitted he didn't write the movie. Now the next step is admitting that means he has less responsibility for the subversive story (and, by proxy, his daughter's death) than the actual screenwriters.

If you’re going to continue trolling me with your apparent attempt to confuse writing = drawing then I ask that you stop pretending to be stupid

I watched this and thought it wasn't great of course but I could see that it was going for some deeper themes on first viewing. I even got the Martha reference because I read comics shrug. If they had released the Directors Cut it would've been considered Oscar worthy and that is probably the saddest thing that has ever happened in movie history most worthy thing of using a time machine to fix it in cinema.

How it started:

Snyder's story purposefully shat on American icons with severe intention, he should apologize for the death of his daughter. HE WAS LITERALLY HIRED TO WRITE IT, THIS IS HIS LEGACY. IT'S BIZARRE TO THINK HE DIDN'T WRITE IT, IT'S UTTERLY BIZARRE, THIS IS SUCH A STRANGE CONVERSATION, YOU MUST BE CHILDREN, OR PAJEETS, OR TROLLING, OR CRAFTING A CONSPIRACY, OR TROLLING

How it's going:

He didn't write a single word, if you keep attempting to gaslight me into saying he wrote it you must be stupid