Describe this movie

Describe this movie.

Rocket Slave

Everyone wants him

good lightsaber fights

pretty boring desu

Experimental independent film the likes of which we'll never see again.

Garbage with cgi that looks like shit.

ANNIE

Backstabbed fans that grew up with ANH?

It's the kind of movie where you kinda know where things are going already, but it had a lot of nice world building to appreciate that the original trilogy just didn't leave behind. World building can either go good, or go bad, but it basically went good.

Invasion

A boring snooze fest riding off the coattails of an already successful franchise 13 years past its prime.

Basically this, and its being part of a manchild baby toy franchise that targeted the neglected children of boomers robs it of this designation in so many conversations.

Lucas is 100% aware that he's a dogshit director. He asked practically all of his friends to do this movie and none of them would take it on. And why? Because what he'd already created was so much more evocative and influential than anything they had made over the past thirty years. So Lucas soldiered on and created one of the last great sci-fi movies put to actual film. It's fucking weird, it's stilted. In a lot of respects it feels more at home amongst silent films or mid-century serials than post-80s blockbusters, but it looks a hell of a lot better than any of its contemporaries from a tech standpoint.

It's poetic that Star Wars basically "ruined" itself insofar as the first film kicked off a wave of hero's journey blockbusters that needed to follow a very tight, three-act structure just so, so the Gen X homosexuals who clapped and shat their pants at them wouldn't start foaming at the mouth, and then The Phantom Menace dispensed with that convention and was hated for it.

Jake Lloyd was mogged by that other kid in the tests who really should have been Anakin.

Meesa liked it

I can't wait to read this whole post. I am going to get right on it.

I was 19 when it came out. Maybe if I was a kid when I saw it I’d liked it. Absolutely hated it! Still hate it and all prequels. Just because less awful then Nu Wars doesn’t mean not still ass

OP here, 1980 birthday too

Jake Lloyd was mogged by that other kid in the tests who really should have been Anakin.

Hayden Christensen should have played him in all three films

Gone too far in a few places.

Hayden Christensen should have played him in all three films

This. Complete stupid making Anakin a kid. He should’ve been same as as he was Clones being trained by Obi Wan. Outside removing whole grooming aspect of him being a kid when he meets Padame could’ve developed the romance a lot more gradual then rushing it in Clones

This is also fair. I am happy with Christensen's reevaluation, even if it comes mostly from Clone Wars zoomers. He had big shoes to fill as some gay kid who was meant to become James Earl Jones in a giant robot suit, and I honestly think - though it was worthless in every other way - the Disneyslop Kenobi show demonstrated to even the normiest of normies that his supposedly horrible performance matched up with Jones' quite well.

The 3rd best SW movie

ANH>ESB>TPM>ROTS>ROTJ>AOTC>>>>>>>SEQUELSHIT

1 -> 4 -> 2 -> 5 -> 3 -> 6
Correct viewing order

Except Jake Lloyd is the only time where Anakin is in any way likable making his fall an actual tradegy. Hayden Christensen's Annie is an annoying, petulant little prick from the first minute of aotc and his romance and turn to the ds is a joke.

Describe this movie.

The good goys take on the communist and/or nazi bad guy empire kinda maybe win maybe sorta I think, the end.
Such slop storytelling. Shoulda erred more on the side of Campbell hero's journey template without trying to get so fancy with the real world 20th century geopolitical allegoricals.

This is really only true if you never had any empathy for yourself as a young man. I would naturally not expect women to understand his character, but he's obviously just a hormonal kid who's desperately reaching for any affection from someone he can call his own. He's angry because he's a genius, but is held back by institutions and his own youth. I really don't get why people hate this character so much. Why would a seething faggot like Vader, who chokes out anyone who serves him his coffee wrong, be anyone but an overly emotional child at heart?

I feel like Lucas' fantastical interpretation of San Francisco is incredibly superficial. Like he looked at a random landmark and thought to himself "what they used lightsabers here".

Because stupid fans want it both ways. They wanted Anakin to be this total bad ass like Vader and didn’t want to see what kind person it would take to get seduced by emperor and the Dark Side to be willing to betraying and murder his fellow Jedi and wanting to kill his master Obi Wan. These are same people that bitch Rey had no character development

Not Star Wars
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It’s got a strong opening but drags on when they go to Tatooine, the pod racing and Maul fight are cool, the Gungan battle is okay. Anakin should have been older and not have flown into space at the end

he's obviously just a hormonal kid who's desperately reaching for any affection from someone he can call his own.

So he's not a young Darth Vader? Czech.

It's kino

Why would a seething faggot like Vader, who chokes out anyone who serves him his coffee wrong, be anyone but an overly emotional child at heart?

Because Vader is based on Hollywood's idea of a Nazi officer and there is no continuity between Christensen's Anakin and the OT's Darth Vader. They are two different characters and we don't see any real echoes between the two, except the superficial.

Darth Vader was a kid once

Because Vader is based on Hollywood's idea of a Nazi officer

That concept went out the window the minute Lucas made Vader into Anakin. Even in Jedi Vader doesn’t match up with New Hope Vader. He was made to be more sympathetic.

AotC Annie should have been a very positive and enthusiastic young man lovin' the Jedi life killing bad guys with his big bro Obi Wan saving the galaxy who comes crashing back down after his mum dies, preferably at least 3/4 into the movie. He then starts to change as he struggles with the anger and guilt, as well as developing resentment and suspicion of the Jedi for forcing him to abandon her. This sets things things up perfectly for RotS as he starts to get closer to Sheev. Not this generic teen angst shit we are presented with as soon as we catch uo with him.

Set up: The movie

None of that went out the window in the OT. At the end of ROTJ is a reformed Nazi officer, that is all. He has no hobbies, no interests, nothing but his ambition and discipline. You can't look at the beginning of ROTJ where Vader arrives and tell me that this Darth Vader isn't a prussian officer.
Hayden Christensen is nothing like him, he's a different character, and with that realization the PT is beyond salvage.
It is NOT Star Wars.

Its only AotC that's the problem. The other two film are fine for the most part and it would have been a successful trilogy had George not royally fucked part 2 up.

He should have been celebrated, disciplined fighter pilot focused on his career as an officer. The whole Chosen One bullshit is really lame.

Predicted 9/11 and the forever wars.

Anakin being like the perfect Jedi ever for most of the movie who starts to lose it at the end would have been a great cliffhanger in line with ESB

Das Boot by way of Arthur C Clarke

Im pretty sure at some point during the Plinkett reviews Mike blames George for 9/11

You’re in denial. Vader wasn’t chocking people death and standing idly by watching planets blow up in ROTJ. He was all “conflicted” about his son. Again to give him his “redemption” arc at the end so Luke can see him as a happy old man with Obi Wan and Yoda. Whole Heinrich Himmler concept of Vader was when Vader and Anakin were suppose to be two separate characters which it was until last minute change in the final script of Empire.

Third worst star wars, after RoSW and AotC

It's my favourite of the prequels not least for the fact that it doesn't have that hideous digital sheen that the other two do.

He was all “conflicted” about his son.

That is the redemption part you idiot. I'm done with you.

Little kid Anakin's acting is so bad. 8 year old boy reciting lines for the school play levels of bad.
But that's far far away from even the worst part about it.
Whatever, the OT was campy fun and then it ended in the early 80s and that's just about all it ever was for me.

You’re done because you are retard. No, Anakin Vader is not a Nazi. Nazis don’t get redemption arc, especially not in Jew ran Hollywood. Fucking idiot.

Both Anakins were miscast and this is one of the fatal issues of the whole trilogy. Unlike others, I don't mind that Anakin is not always likeable. There's no requisite for a tragic hero to be likeable, many of Shakespeare's heroes are extremely disagreeable, and the whole idea of "nice loveable chap becomes evil" is not only trite but psychologically unsound. However Hayden's Anakin is so repellent at times it's not only hard to care when he falls but it's hard to imagine why any of the characters would care, beyond the immediate threat to their lives. This is not the man you can imagine Padme obsessing over to the point of death nor Obi Wan falling into decades long mourning over. This is partially of course a problem of the writing but a more charismatic actor, especially one who is more of a natural at projecting Byronic brooding as opposed to petulance, would have gone a long way to making Anakin a more attractive figure. Casting is the dark art of filmmaking and can't be underrated.

Much the same goes for young Anakin. I don't object to Anakin being 9, it was necessary for the story that Lucas wanted to tell, and I see nothing wrong on paper with that story, but it forces your hand to cast for someone extremely inexperienced. Lucas misjudged what he needed (cuteness and positive amiability as opposed to something more nuanced and suggestive) and the results are plain to see. One major problem with this, is that it's hard to get to Hayden's performance from Lloyds. In real life that happens all the time, people change a lot from when they were 9, yet for a drama that 10 year jump feels like a steep one for Anakin and it's hard to reconcile the two performances as the same person grown up. The exact same thing is true for the jump between Anakin in ROTS and Vader in ANH.