50 years old

Sure thing, antinatalist roach.

Having children is satanic though

baby momma

what is this nigger language? is it just a woman he knocked up who has his child?

So? He's immortalized through film.

A man does not need kids to prove his worth.

People who are really into kids usually just use it as a cope for not finding a true meaning to life
His meaning of life is acting, he fulfilled and was successful in it
If he worked an office job maybe he would be compelled to have kids and go to church

I'll never understand that line of reasoning from rich people. Aristocrats and assorted rich people lounged around all day, drank and fucked all night and day and still had plenty of children. All you have to do is pay some nannies to do all the boring things, leaving you the heartwarming bits about having kids.

If you're jut gonna pawn off the actual parenting to a series of nannies and caretakers, why even bother having kids in the first place? You're better off just having a dog or something.

Having children is pointless and evil unless you're white. That fat bastard looks like he's from Rhodesia.

how is acting meaningful? it pays the bills and gets you status, but at the end of the day it's just playing pretend. no different from playing video games all day, just more socially lauded because people are dumb.

For me it's the opposite. Sounds like you just hang around people who'd be failures with or without children

It's art

Wiping butts, feeding fussy kids, cleaning up after them or organising school stuff and doctor's appointments isn't the important part of parenting, it's just the stuff that runs you ragged to the point where you don't have the energy to fuck your spouse or have your own fun any more and starts making you think you'd be better off without kids. Hire someone to do all that tedious shit and you'll love doing the fun stuff like teaching them new things, playing games or reading bedtime stories. Especially since you're rich enough to not have a menial job to go to every day that also runs you ragged.

Even the simple thing of "only" having a cleaner that comes in every day and cleans up and does the laundry would make most parents weep with joy because it's a constant source of drudgery that takes away from the time spent doing actually enriching and fun things with your kid. Truly rich people like Rogen can afford so much more of that kind of thing.

nah

Gottem

He does have kids, he sleeps with them kek

You may not think so but many people do and so does Leonardo so he's fulfilled
In any case he has become immensely wealthy off it so everything about his needs in life has been taken care of

It's always funny seeing non parents talk about this shit like they have any idea what being a parent is like.
Though, there is a subsection of parents who still don't get it, probably because they still refuse to open themselves up to it, or just don't know how. Probably still not committed to the idea.

Being a parent is immensely rewarding. All that shit you think you'll miss by being a parent, it pales in comparison to how rewarding being a parent feels. Oh there's exhaustion, anxiety, fucking terror even. At first, you'll think that's all there is. But that moment your child locks those laser beams on you and you recognise that's a whole other human you made there. The bad falls away.

Otherwise there's a bunch of assumption that low effort dopamine shit is somehow better than a massive dopamine hit of something you worked hard for. It's not even close.

Having kids forces you to search for meaning even harder. Many still fail but for many others they attribute having kids being the thing that pushed them to do a lot more with their life

True but not less satanic

Good.

That's because most people who have children are poor, dumb and uneducated. Its either an accident or some dumbass who gets trapped into it by an even dumber woman. They never thought it through, can't financially manage it, and don't have enough of a brain to appreciate the beauty in creating human life and watching it grow. Couples who make a considered decision rarely regret it.

dude bro hedonism is the shit!!

Every person I’ve ever met to who indulged in sex and drugs has ended up a hollow shell of a person. That kind of lifestyle erodes your soul if you keep it up for too long. When you hear people like Seth Rogen hyping it up, just know deep down they are hiding a darkness that is eating away at them. If not, then they are psychopaths.

what ru, fucking retarded? kys boomer

Why do you care anon?
People asking other people to have kids are starting to become weird and creepy.

ummm gosh criticizing people for anything is ahhh low-key rapey and stuff

kys boomer

I'm sorry if I'm not fluent in your nigger lingo I'm not american.

still didn't answer the question

answer it you fuck nut

he's gay

most rich people are just very well compensated slaves - even rich people arent having kids above replacement rates. They're slaves to their phones and have to run around and do business things and business meetings and business flights and do very important business things 24/7

Your parents are the only people with kids you know

ive never spoken to a couple that felt this way, I only have about 7 examples but most of them their kids are their lifes work, thats how my parents see it, my sisters, my friend, coworkers etc. I'm having one this year and I can tell you plainly if I didn't get my wife pregnant in the next 5 years I'd probably have spiraled hard. Now I have perspective on life and I just got a new job and my world never seemed so clear before. Just want to work, raise my kid, go hiking, and love my wife. I don't even drink or smoke like I used to.

but most of them their kids are their lifes work

that's really sad

a dog isn't remotely close to a child and anyone who suggests this has spent very little time around children, I have a dog and I've spent an enormous time around children of all ages and I like the kids a ton more, sure they can be annoying when they just wanna sit in front of screens but I love taking them places, answering their silly questions, and when I have my own I won't have to let them be in front of screens all day like most parents do

not him but it really isn't, it's the best work you can do with your life. Who cares if you girlbossed at a company? Who cares if you developed some app? None of that crap really matters. You're only alive today because thousands of generations of people chose to raise children. 99% of careers are utterly pointless and devoid of any serious meaning, you should treat them as a means to an end for allowing you to raise a family. The moment you retire you are completely irrelevant to your career social circle.

then try rubbing your two braincells together before you ask a retarded question, fucking europoor

theres something wrong with you if you think raising a human being isn't something to consider a massive achievement. Its much bigger than filming a movie or writing a book, and for the record I've already done tons of art with my life its nothing compared to the moments I've shared with my dad

yea I thought about this too, I think in their case it's just that they are both too degenerate and anti-social nihilistic people so they don't see any point and meaning in having kids but if they (or she) really wanted they would have done it

because seeing public suicide and cancer glamorized is unsettling
rich people who dont have children should absolutely be shamed, otherwise they're like walking billboards of societal cancer
you just know Leo has ruined tons of womens ability to pairbond, he's basically a one man wrecking ball, not only not having kids himself, but ruining many beautiful women from other considering marriage/true love/having children

Leo is an artist he doesn't need to have kids

Caring if someone I've clarified has provided value to society, passes on his value is creepy

Yeah, and look how many of those kids turned out around history. Maybe (and I'm aware that's a huge maybe) he just have a little bit more principles than the retards who want to pop out children and actually like absolute asshats here, like actually raising them if he manage have them.

It absolutely is not some monumental achievement and the people who look at their children as extensions of themselves and try to live vicariously through them are egotistic retards that shouldn't have created another human in the first place.
Your life's work should consist of additions to human knowledge, wellbeing, and culture through your own hands, not through your loins. When you look up historical figures, do you truly care about what their children are doing? It's incredible rare that their descendants contribute anything of substance themselves. They are people no trophies.

read this subreddit: r/regretfulparents

there are countless people who regret having babies

What if he never dates, or married early, never divorcing, and still chose to not have kids?

sorry you didn't have a good relationship with your dad

Every time I see a guy with his kids and he's walking around with like 3 hot as fuck daughters, I think "man I am glad I don't have to worry about some scumbag trying to fuck my girls throat or pound her ass" Like he was trying to do to chicks back in the day back in the day LOL. Shit must be depressing as fuck.

I mean I would also regret it if my son was a zoomie

you're valorizing stories and not the actual experience of life. You're not understanding what it actually means to live life, and only thinking about what your life will read like when formatted as a Wikipedia article.
You may only care about say, Einstein, because of his contributions to physics, but he was deeply involved with his children and they were incredibly important to his life.
You are the one not viewing people as people, you are only viewing people as the sum of their achievements that can go into an article. It is incredibly sad when someone like Tesla never had a real love life or any children. I sincerely wish for every genius, every great achiever, to have a love life and children. Their lives are hollow otherwise. You should try to appreciate people as people, and not view them as economic units who only matter for what they "contribute" to human knowledge. None of that matters if people stop having kids and our race fades away.

Kids are the physical embodiment of you're parenting
They're are people you crafted
The same way you're allowed to be bad at your parents for neglecting you, making you this whiny bitch
People who have parented successful are allowed to bask in their child's glory
Everyone of you pathetic anti natalist is the most hypocritical, simpering faggots on the internet.

Your*

I was raised in a middle class two parent household.
My relationship with both of my parents is fine.
My dad is a contractor, so I did all the typical manly dad-son activities, including the cute shit like him teaching me and my brother how to shave. I attribute any handiness I exhibit directly to his teachings, as I lean more toward bookishness than house building. I actually do want children. I'm just reasonable or thoughtful enough to not think of children as objects, or a thing you "just do" because society tells you to do it or your body compelled you to do it.

of all people in the world less than 1% leave some impact on culture that doesn't dissipate in a decade, so in your mind nigh every person should feel like their entire existence means nothing, thats one hell of a nihilistic take, in a better world not your world people have meaningful experiences and relationships often with their children and its those moments and feelings that make life have its purpose, if you haven't grasped this sensation at some point in your life than its you that have lived a meaningless life, I've recorded music, written books, thought deeply, traveled the country, but almost none of it compares to spending time with my dad and my woman in rainy woods, or listening to music together something my father gifted me.

it is a gut emotional reaction to worry about, but you also have to respect women as women and that they will make their own choices in life and have a sex life. They have to find a mate, and that involves mating.
The only thing I'm concerned with about daughters is that the societal structure around commitment and monogamy has completely fallen apart. Virtually no woman is allowed to wait until marriage to have sex, and even then, marriage is rather easily dissolved. There's also zero consequences to Sociopath Chad pumping and dumping all the teenage girls. It's virtually impossible to pair off your daughters with a good man nowadays. Relationships are so shallow and non-commital nowadays and that's honestly terrible for women, despite their mistaken self-emancipation. Most every little girl dreams of marrying a prince for life, but the reality is they have to gamble big time on getting pumped and dumped with zero safeguards that the man will commit and just have to hope they find a man that actually wants to commit and live a romantic, monogamous life.

Only women care about meaning

then it's not cancerous, just sad. People who never date are also invisible and rarely ever become celebrities in the first place.
And if they marry young and never have kids then you have to wonder about their sex life and if they actually have one or not, and how they ever avoided having an accident, or how many abortions they've had.

Imagine where we'd be as a species if people only aspired to fatherhood or motherhood.
They have free will from like age three, you don't craft shit. It's all up to them. yes you can guide and teach and they'll ultimately still do whatever the hell they want. Do you listen to everything your parents tell you? You agree with everything they say? Even when you know they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about? Or do you use your own knowledge and experiences to forge your own path, make your own decisions?

middle class

maybe thats the problem, seems to be the middle zone where people have the least sense of purpose, I am lower class to my bone and everyone in my realm gets teary eyed just thinking about their experience with their children, I recently moved into a property on woodlands and now that I'm about to have a child I feel more satisfied than any point in my life, middle class people can't see the forest for the trees, when you're lower class just not dying, going to prison, or going homeless is a good start, being able to raise a family on top of that feels like a blessing I never thought I'd be able to experience

Same. If you're rich you can outsource most of the shit chores with nannies, drivers and cooks and just spend quality time with your kids without messing up your free time too much.

a man just need to find a woman that fits.

What happens if your kid turns out to be a piece of shit, criminal, whore or whatever?

Imagine where we'd be as a species if people only aspired to fatherhood or motherhood.

not an argument, I can tell I've planted a kernel in your mind, because as I said and you ignored, we wouldn't even exist as a species if we didn't have children.
Take care anon. Remember there's more to life than whatever great achievement you're aspiring to. Whatever you're working towards, you can have love and children along the way. Never let anyone convince you otherwise.

Most people have kids because they’re lost. It’s a last-ditch move. A way to make life feel like it mattered. They work long, thankless hours for shit pay, and at some point, they ask: What the hell is this all for? So they have kids. Not always out of love. Not even out of hope. Out of fear. Out of boredom. Out of the need to feel like they left something behind.

They lie to themselves. Tell themselves it’s right. That it’s time. That it’s what people do. Sometimes it’s to lock down a partner. Turn a roommate into “family.” It’s not romance. It’s insurance.

I feel bad for the women most of all. The pressure’s constant. From everyone. From inside. Each day feels like a chance missed. A clock ticking louder every year. I’ve seen friends who smiled through the wedding, smiled through the baby shower, and then cracked somewhere between the crib and the carpool. They don’t hate their kids. They hate that they were talked into this life. That no one told them what it would cost. That they can’t undo it now.

Men? Men get to walk. They can start over at fifty. Plant their flag wherever they like. No ticking clock. No biological countdown. They float. It’s not fair, but it’s true.

And the ones without kids? They're good to be around. Light on their feet. No weight dragging behind them. They laugh more. They sleep. They still dream.

I think if you want kids, fine. But not to fix your life. Not to keep someone. Do it if you’ve lived enough first. If you’ve found someone you love like hell and never fight with. If you’ve got family around to help. If you make enough money that your kid can have a room of their own and a life that feels safe. Then maybe.

But don’t do it to feel whole. A kid can’t fix that.

No I also think doing things like custodial work or cooking contributes immensely to greater society and is a very good legacy to work toward.

He's certainly fathered dozens all over the world.

Shit, he might have unknowingly fucked one of his own daughters at some point.

some parents do better than others, my dad was an ex delinquent free living roamer whose main interests in life were sports, music, and nature. But he never learned an instrument. I have a very memorable experience growing up where I became enraptured in his music (already loved nature) and suddenly him and I bonded with music and going to concerts and eventually I learned to play all kinds of instruments. Sports never took but thats the way it is. Now I know music more than he does, and we love nature just the same but still we bond over music more than anything and he appreciates me sending him music I made. My sister and him bond over plenty aswell. My point is a child isn't going to be perfect but if you raise them right they can have a meaningful bond with you that lasts til you're dead.

I was watching a drifting competition last saturday with my 4yo daughter and she still talks about the experience.

Can you imagine doing something interesting one day and that same thing might be something that your child will remember for the rest of his or her life?

I can easily arrange a saturday where I just lie in bed naked watching Seth Rogen movies, I just find that kind of thing something that was cool when I was in my 20's. Now that seems like waste of a day off.

Having a child and viewing it as an "extension of themselves" is as egoistic as striving for "additions to human knowledge, wellbeing, and culture through your own hand" since both are seeking to imprint the world in some manner: to leave a trace of your image.

Both are exercises in death anxiety.

Why is it always people with no kids, who judge others for having no kids?

no. The writers and directors are creating the art. Actors are just the paint and canvas. Fucking tools to be used. Not that different from porn stars and prostitutes.

like what? I've always thought anything other than clean shaven or full beard is retarded.

You didn't plant shit. I've probably been debating this for just about as long as you've been alive, as this is something I've been asking myself since I was a teen. I didn't respond to the rest of what you said because you're making assumptions and it's horseshit.

I am lower class to my bone and everyone in my realm gets teary eyed just thinking about their experience with their children

This genuinely doesn't sound endearing to me at all. I've been around plenty of people of all socioeconomic backgrounds that have the my children are my life attitude and their children are behind eating animal crackers out of the back yard dirt.

And to add: No diaper changes, no temper tantrums or other thing that Seth Rogens list when they tell why they don't want kids. Those things last only for the first couple of years.

ruined tons of womens ability to pairbond

Try all you want, you are not going to turn a lack of previous romantic success into a desirable quality.

Well said, anon.

U don't want kids either bruh trust me.

I've probably been debating this for just about as long as you've been alive, as this is something I've been asking myself since I was a teen

and you're going to keep wrestling with it forever unless you decide to be brave enough to let go of your suicidal ideations and to actually try to live life instead of coping with anti-natalism.

how come i have seborrheic dermatitis and Leo doesnt

Condolences on your childhood.

South Korea wholeheartedly agrees. Look where they headed.

most people have kids because they're lost

Most people have kids because they have unprotected sex famalam
Not everyone autisticly plans their life out. They so shit on impulse which fucks their plans up. That's just life.
Trying to plan it all out is retarded. Everyone, I mean literally everyone, is trying to do shit and they constantly have obstacles. You think Biden wanted to be senile at the peak of his political career? He was probably just like "uhhhh" and did the job anyway.

there are only 2 paths in life, one through family and community, the other through endless hedonism

he could have had a million kids if he wanted to, he clearly dosent.

And yet none of you incels will ever even have sex. Yeah, Leo's some kind of loser and you're on Anon Babble and still a virgin. LOL

not wanting children into your 30s and beyond is just peak resistance to growing up and settling down, some people can't fathom ever having people rely on them and total responsibility

It would be wolves.
You're no leader though. But you sure are lonely.

I don't believe in antinatalism.
I've already said, I want kids myself. I just don't think it's anybody's business as to why people don't have children. It's weird that people keep asking or pressuring other people to make children. Complete strangers, not family members. It's some stupid actor you like, it should not matter one bit that he has any children. Seems more like people are more concerned about their own decisions to be validated by their idols, than the magnitude and responsibility that comes with creating consciousness. A living, breathing, thinking, feeling being that's going to do good or bad things to other living breathing, thinking and feeling beings.

Wow, an extremely rich person is not an idiot! What a thread, OP!

People are just idiots and fuck without any protection and "it just happened, I pulled out every time".

Weird jealousy. That those people COULD conceivably have kids. The judgmental people are KHHVs, and they are bitter about it while also pretending it's by choice because of their high standards and how terrible all women are.
They can't see this at all from their perspective; especially in their little blackpilled bubbles.

It's funny that there are people who legitimately believe pulling out is a form of birth control. Like they really think that works and would argue with an expert.

Any other anons here new or soon to be fathers?

First baby is arriving in November, feels good.

There's almost 8 billion people in the world, do we really need more people?

pulling out is reliable enough if you actually have the discipline to pull out the split second you can tell you’re about to orgasm in a few seconds
if you’re new to sex or not committed to a chick then yeah use condoms obviously, it also takes time to learn your body and when your orgasm is starting and when you should pull out. Most men make the mistake of being in for one or two strokes to long

I remember in my early and mid 20s I was bombarded with nagging from my father and his side of the family to marry and have kids. Putting aside the fact I was friendless and without any romantic prospects, I was working shitty jobs and at the end of each month I was having trouble paying the bills and rent. But yeah, I'm sure a wife and a kid or two would have been great.

Yes, but your lizard brain is telling you to have one of your own so that it gives you a sense of immortality.

wolfs

GOOD MORNING SARS

enjoy it, it's a trip.

15yo niece 11yo nephew that ended up mine and my own 5yo daughter

There’s a reason we normal humans keep telling child freers to have kids. We get to experience joy that couldn’t be purchased with all the wealth of Elon Musk while our friends are sucking down SSRIs like tictacs trying to live life they’re still 22 while they get fat, wrinkled, bald and grey.

what’s the line where you’d stop saying that? what’s the difference to you between 2 and 8 billion?

I feel bad for the women most of all

stopped reading there

This. Why would I want more chang animal torturers running around?

please tell us about your wonderful life

This is why you should always come on the face or mouth. It gives you the extra two seconds you need to get up there before wasting any of it.

I think the line is somewhere between us affording houses and gorillions of people coming to live here from all over the place.

*hits pipe with other people's little girls*

...you're not supposed to ask that question

Not really. Animals just fuck. And then get naturally bonded to kids through behavior.

I'm 37 year old forever bachelor. In my lifetime the population grew from 5 to 8 billion.
I think humanity can do without my precious descendants.

Damn it's so rewarding to work 120 hours a week so your kid can work 120 hours a week.

That sounds based. He just pump and dumps a neverending line of hot 20-year olds with no strings attached. That's the dream in a post-feminist society.

That's bullshit. The world wouldn't be a better place if everyone reproduced and the population increasing is not inherently a good thing. Good people should reproduce, and by your own admission, he is not a good person, so him reproducing would be a bad thing.

The cycle continues. The world population, as of 2025, ascends still—yet the momentum wanes. The current growth rate is approximately 0.85% per annum, yielding an increase of about 70 million individuals each year. This rate has diminished from its zenith in the 1960s, when it reached around 2%. Projections indicate that the global population will peak at approximately 10.3 billion by the mid-2080s, after which a decline is anticipated.
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This deceleration is propelled by declining fertility rates. The global total fertility rate has fallen to around 2.3 children per woman, approaching or dipping below the replacement threshold of 2.1. In numerous nations, particularly those with elevated standards of living, fertility rates have plummeted beneath replacement levels.
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The trajectory is clear: humanity's expansion is slowing, and a contraction looms. The cycle of growth is not infinite. The seeds of decline have been sown.
Chatgpt laying down the law

You didn't refute the other poster you just brought up bonding, for some reason; but also equate human actions as inherently on the same level of low-cognizance as animals'.

Basically a non-response.

Lowkey the fault of the parent. If you're an attentive, loving, thoughtful parent that will not happen. I'm aware I'm speaking to a subsection of the internet who have major daddy issues and likely can't believe such a parent is possible, but they exist.
It isn't inherrently bad either

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All of my friends that I've known from high school love their kids and say having them is the best thing they've ever done but they all hate their wives, one going as far as saying it's a travesty that you need a woman in order to have children. None of them will divorce their wives but it's clear that in general they don't like them very much.

the people who look at their children as extensions of themselves

Your children literally are an extension of yourself. They're demi-clones. And the other half of them is, hopefully, someone you love.

Your life's work should consist of additions to human knowledge, wellbeing, and culture through your own hands

The only reason you care about "humans" is because they're genetically similar to you, but the gap between your children and some dude from another continent is the same as the gap between that guy and a chimpanzee. Species are arbitrary and computer models have proven that humanitarianism is a net loss. You should only care about the people closest to you and there's no one closer to you than your family. If you don't have kids, you don't have family. All that hard work and effort and precious time you poured into making a great movie or building a bridge or curing cancer, you didn't do it for your people, you did it for some OTHER people. There's a word for that, it's called "cuckoldry." If your children aren't inheriting your work, you did all that work for some other creatures. It doesn't matter that they're also human, you cuck.

It's incredible rare that their descendants contribute anything of substance themselves

Caring about whether they contribute something of "substance" is treating people like

They are people no trophies

...took the words out of my mouth. :)

It's complicated. It's true that every partner you have reduces your chances at having a long-term relationship. There's a reason that the most successful societies had strict monogamy and valued chastity, while people who eat insects and mud and never invented boats despite living on the water believe in free love and promiscuity.

It isn't inherrently bad either

It kinda' is. If you look at locations by how peaceful and prosperous they are, they tend to have a lower population density. The planet also does not have infinite resources.

Most of that population rise was in places like India and Bangladesh where billions will die off in the coming century when they hit wet bulb temperatures, starting with the lower castes currently living in slums. The place will be uninhabitable in the summers unless you've got air-conditioning keeping you cool inside during the days, which will in itself cause brownouts when their power grid can't cope with everyone needing it on all day long, leading to even the rich higher castes risking death whenever their neighbourhood goes dark. Then you've got more people dying from hunger because their crops didn't grow as well as hoped because of too much or too little rain.

Odds are good that all that strife will also cause Pakistan and India to finally nuke each other, since they'll feel like they've got nothing more to lose. So then you get to add all those dead to the list. Then you'll have the exodus from the region to more temperate climates, which will cause death and famine on its own because they've got cities with populations in the tens of millions, a population of refugees that would put a strain on any country in the world.

Jesus, just how many partners did you have in your life to end up on 4channel on weekend?

I would advise against having kids. You specifically, because you're an idiot. Anon did not say kids are like dogs. He said people who pay others to raise them might as well get a dog, clearly don't want to be parents.

Millionaire

Oscar winner

Fucks 20 year olds

Goes out on his million dollar yacht

AHHHHHHHHH HE'S GOING INSANE

He's living the dream

most people are selfish brainlets

Wow what a shocking revelation I'd never have thought that without your comment thanks anon!

Good thing you ain't like them, anon! Keep it up!

too late, find out if its boy or girl next week

All that hard work and effort and precious time you poured into making a great movie or building a bridge or curing cancer, you didn't do it for your people, you did it for some OTHER people. There's a word for that, it's called "cuckoldry."

I think you're just a sociopath, bro.

hes basically Anon Babble incarnate

Kids of the elite turned out great. The idea that the aristocracy were all malformed inbreds is retarded

but you also have to respect women as women and that they will make their own choices in life and have a sex life.

Dads all say this cuck line, and then you go to give a whole paragraph of why that's a bad idea. And women are much worse at making good choices than the dads will ever admit.

women are women and men are men, it’s a woman’s nature to get pounded and to not respect that is to not respect life itself
guys will say “why would anyone want to be a man??” when talking about ftms but then go “why would anyone want a daughter?”
your son can just as easily troon out, be an incel or become a stepdad which is way worse than your daughter being a throat GOAT for her husband

how many of those kids turned out

The really fucked up ones were the ones where the parents didn't do anything parenting at all. Sending them off to private boarding schools to be flogged and fucked into psychopathy. That's a huge difference from having cleaners, chefs and nannies to take care of the shitty parts so you have more free time and don't get completely burnt out during the baby years.

This lol. I'm not interesting in working five hours a day, let alone 25 hours a day for decades to properly raise a kid.
If I grew up in a small town or some little village, 1000 years ago, I'd just naturally mate with someone and then you'd have a kid, and have to teach it how to do small town/village stuff. These days? Raising a middle class kid in the modern world seems like a literal nightmare. Good luck to all those doing so, though.

Some of this tedium may be frustrating but it’s part of what bonds you to the responsibility of taking care of another person.
And a kid would feel attachment to the person who feeds them or clothes them. Just showing up when the tedious work is done to do drop some teachings and read to them disconnects with why the child would want to spend time or listen to you. Kids want their parents to read them bedtime stories because, as the people they see are responsible for their well-being, they want to be put to bed by the same person who’s keeping them safe and fed.

Congrats anon. Wish you and yours the best

raising a kid is not working after they stop shitting their pants, in fact its a pleasurable hobby

If you're an attentive, loving, thoughtful parent that will not happen.

lmao, at least two of the most fucked up people I've known had "normal" middle class parents.

multi-millionaire couple can't have free time with kids

absolute lie
Seth Rogan is just a subversive kike for the regime, he absolutely could have kids and hqve plenty of free time due to being able to acquire slaves

thankyou, I was starting to think my wife was infertile but once again I'm a very lucky man, its amazing how one day I can go from doing everything I can to avoid working and then with anticipation of a child in maybe one month I've acquired the most adult job of my life, I love my wife more than most men so I guess thats another advantage

I would really never recommend a Rogen film after This is the End but I recently watched Neighbors where him, his wife, and a new baby live next to a frat house and its kind of jarring with his comments irl cause the character is basically Rogen channeling what he thinks a happy father would look like but clearly thats a total disconnect from his real experience otherwise he might grow as a person

Trust fund kids unironically won. Can spend your late teens and early 20/ like we all should be spending that period traveling, exploring, experiencing, and building yourself into an amazing person without worrying about a job or career. Then can settle down with the love of your life in your mid to late 20s, start a family and focus purely on your children so your kids will end up god tier. Bonus points because they have all the money and time to learn about child development while we're slaving away in school or the early part of our career and can't become amazing parents. And you still have time to do other things because both parents are stay at home.

That movie had them try to keep partying and smoking dope and fucking but the baby gets in the way, though. It's just treated in a funny way instead of the depressing way that he clearly saw it. He clearly saw it as a warning tale about how having a baby would keep him from those things.

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yeah but the characters and writers make the adult implication that they like being parents and find partying exhausting at their age, its a central scene of the film, also any adult with kids knows they can get a babysitter if they ever wanna party again, my girlfriend's mother has 5 kids, 3 of them around age 10 and I'll tell you she never let her kids stop her from finding time to indulge

You have loved men before? Let's hope the mother can educate the gay out your kid then.

some trust fund kids make it and so of course you never hear about them, but plenty just spiral out into hedonism and nihilism and drug addictions
a little stress in life is good so that you learn how to manage your time and resources properly instead of thinking the bill is never going to come due for your actions
it’s like how NEETs waste away their whole 20s thinking they can just make up for it late if only they start trying, but it’s much harder to learn how to try later in life

This made me tear up a little bit
Sounds like you have a good dad.

If you are above 110 IQ it's your duty to have kids, or you're dooming humanity to be overrun by thirdies with 80 IQ who breed like rabbits despite not being able to provide their children the opportunities to succeed.

Trips of absolute truth

Based wife loving soon-to-be father anon
That's true, you need really good parents for the trust fund kids as well, and that's hard to get.
The whole nature vs. nurture debate is ages old, and I believe anon that you will raise wonderful children. But what happens if you do everything right and your child is just genetically a sociopath or psychopath and still fucks their life up (and potentially others) as a result?
This is partly why I'm planning to adopt. My genes are shit anyway.

ITT: incels cope because they will never, ever pull the kind of top-shelf tail like Leo does.

and he's rich and talented to boot. no wonder y'all are all "REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

He's always wanted to be Jack Nicholson, everyone knows that.

and let it be said, he kind of is. Jack Nicholson has tapped pretty much every ass he's wanted to except maybe Geena Davis.
youtube.com/watch?v=Be-4KzRhzKk

we worry about Leo because he’s really starting to age and it genuinely does become sad for him if he still has no real love or family

He's antinatalist, therefore keyed

You focus way too much on high iq. I mean iq is important but you're forgetting that we need low iq people for unskilled manual labor and other monotonous jobs

oh look, another "if you don't get married and reproduce yourself into penury you'll never be truly happy or fulfilled" psyop thread.
#geeIWonderWhoIsBehindThisThread

Y'all are envious of Leo, just admit it and move on.

No, we need to create more machines to do that job.

Reminds me of a most definitely fictional but could've been real scene from Conn Iggulden's Rome Series (Ceasar's story, written like a novel).

Brutus comes home on vacation from Gaul

His lover that he has known for 15+ years but not seen for the past 5 finally started a family with another good man

He drinks with her Goldsmith boss, talks about how you are only alive once, only ONE chance to put your name in history, etc. etc.

falls asleep

Older Goldsmith thinks about how his 2 daughters will always remember him and love him, hopes that Brutus figures things out and chooses a good path

(compared to say, fickle things like a General/Warrior's fame, the Roman public's opinion, etc.) [Caesar, Pompey, etc. are the best of the best from amongst the top 1%, yet even that doesn't gurantee being remembered. Most haven't even heard of Clodius or Titus Milo, the Escobars/Capones/Chapos of Rome.]

He yelled a lot but when he wasn't yelling he took me and my sisters all throughout forests and mountains and when I was older he shared a world of music and film with me. His dad was an ultra catholic that married a new young piece but my parents stayed together even though there was a lot of fighting early on but now they need each other, he's a great grandpa to my sisters kids too

I think that's a 10 year old pic at this point

That's how I feel about white couples. If you can produce white children please do we need balance and nobody wants a future where everyone is same light brown like a pacific islander

My parents got married and had a child. Unfortunately their only child turned out to be a complete loser, a 33 year old friendless kissless virgin who still lives with them, has a pathetic worthless job, few hobbies, and is miserable and angry every second of the day proving them absolutely nothing to be happy about or proud of. A completely shameful, humiliating embarrassment to themselves. And they don’t have any friends or hobbies either, so it isn’t like they really have anything else to look forward to in their life. All they had was their child, who’s pretty much as worthless as someone can be other than someone who’s a criminal or murderer or something. The type of loser child who is home with them and barely even speaks word to them, they never do anything together and haven’t for many many years, where they are basically like roommates, not parent and child.

So yeah, I think a life like Leo’s would be far superior to the one they ended up with.

And every child as well (Polanski raped a kid at Nicholson's pedo party)

When I had trouble getting wife pregnant my sister kept saying "do you think about adoption" and to me there's a world of difference there. I love my woman and more than anything I wanted a new life that is half me half her, nature is pretty big over nurture in a lot of ways and I want that social DNA in there cause my wife's personality and heart would make fascinating people with a bit of me in there. If I adopted it'd be after one bio boy and girl, then I'd get a funny minority kid

but we're -worried- about Leo!

You have no idea if he has real love or family. This is just weak, pathetic incel cope.

There is literally no indication that Leo is doing anything but just fine. The people sniveling are just buttblasted MAGA trash who are angry that Leo had the audacity to take a private jet while advocating for the environment. So much envy. So much seethe.

Let go of your hate, and be happy for Leo. Dude is living the dream.

But what happens if you do everything right and your child is just genetically a sociopath or psychopath and still fucks their life up (and potentially others) as a result?

If they're only fucking up their own life then you disown them. If they're fucking up other lives, like a rapist or serial killer, then you do your duty and correct the mistake of bringing them into this world.

Not a psyop just an attempt to spread positive wisdom to people who have been poisoned by anti natalist propaganda. I've never met a no kids long term couple that didn't have a hole in them