If Rorschach is supposed to be some weirdo incel chud that i'm meant to not like...

If Rorschach is supposed to be some weirdo incel chud that i'm meant to not like

he's not

hen when nobody replies, he breaks the fingers of a nearby man. That's the sort of person you idolize?

I'm pretty sure the guy he broke the finger of was openly mocking him. he payed the price

Everyone in that bar was a criminal though. Rorschach obviously knew who all of them were and what foul deeds they had done in their past.

We get it, you're special and not like other boys.

Everyone in that bar was a criminal though.

In Rorschach's vision everyone in the fucking street is a criminal lmao.

And is he wrong?

Would the Watchmen/Crimebusters II not dissolving have any actual effect on the story?

Yes. Plus Rorschach would perceive himself to be a criminal if he had any self awareness.

In both the comic and movie we see prostitutes and pirate gangs absolutely everywhere on the street. This is a subtle hint that literally everyone on the street is a criminal.

If everyone on the street is a criminal Roroschach should be happy Ozy nuked half of them off.

On a whim and behind their backs

Regardless.

yes retard

He can be two things at once. He's a driven guy with his heart basically in the right place, and he hates criminals and loose women in particular because of the abuse he suffered from his shitty mom. He talks a big eugenicist game in his journal but when someone smarter and crazier than him actually does the thing he fantasized about, he's horrified and realizes he wouldn't say, "No," he'd have tried to save them, and when he realized he'd failed to, tried to go back to tell someone

Is all it matters

It's a continuation of Rorschach intro speech.
He justifies Nagasaki and Hiroshima in his head as "necessary' and (somewhat justifiably) hates the people of the city and says he wants to see them suffer, but when Ozymandias reveals that mass murder of American citizens is necessary for his plan to work, Rorschach sees it as the horrible act that it is, because behind the cool mask and trench coat he's a normal man dealt a shit hand in life, not a monster.

his principles.

He doesn't have one.

That's why he liked a president who ordered the atomic bombs on Japan.

He has principles, that's why when faced with a similar situation, he's horrified.

Ultimately he’s just weak. Hard decisions need hard men, and I’m rock hard

Also the only reason he supported Hiroshima and Nagasaki is because he hated his mother, and the only thing he knew about his father was that he supported Truman. That's literally the basis of his entire worldview. In his opening speech he mentions "good people, like my father and president truman" because that's literally the only thing he ever knew about his dad.

Look up older interviews of Alan Moore. He talked about how he respected principled people even if they were politically not his cup of tea like Steve Ditko. Rorschach is supposed to be an amalgamation of Mr. A (a Steve Ditko character known for objectivism) and The Question.

I see the mistakes of idolizing the victim, but is more than that, I meet the guy who recovered the che diaries in bolivia, is not just what the newspaper will say of you is everything, the book was there in a nazi vault in bolivia

The part he didn't like was the deception.

Que? En anglais por favor

He was literally crying when said "what's one more body amongst millions". He cared dude. Both the comedian and rorschach were horrified when Ozzy out edged them.

Je ne parlé hamburgler

Keep it to yourself queermo

Reminder all capeshit is jewish slop

fat dude

name is Max Gaines

Moore definitely hints at both being wrong though. Rorschach because his black and white worldview is always in flux, like his mask, demonstrated in how he defends Hiroshima and Nagasaki for a greater good, yet condemns Ozy for exactly the same thing. Ozy is hinted at being wrong through the Black Freighter comic; he has paved his way to hell only for a hollow victory that will not last.

Pirates are nowhere near as cool as superheroes.

If they're both wrong what is right, you silly cockroach?

Ditko wasn't

False. Pirates were real m8ey

Thanks for injecting some nuance into the conversation

gordian knot in the background

pure kino

Knowing Moore, probably the protestors that Blake clears out. The guy is pretty cringe, but he somehow wrote one of the best works of fiction of the 20th century despite himself.

watch watchmen

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so much boomerslop music in the movie

All Along The Watchtower is the worst one for me. Good song, but completely out of place in the movie. Snyder is tasteless and immature.

It's explicitly referenced in the comics though

Is it? I've read it like 3 times and I never noticed? Can you point me?

Ah shit never mind I got it

I know, but not where it's actually used. The Darkness Of Mere Being is probably my favorite chapter of Watchmen, and it ends on a quote by Jung. The song placement is incredibly jarring and tasteless.

Doesn't mean it needs to be played in the movie
Snyder is a hack

people just weren't ready for him

Moore absolutely broke incels

because behind the cool mask and trench coat he's a normal man dealt a shit hand in life, not a monster.

Symbolically, the only time he willingly removes his mask in front of others is when he's standing up for this point, at the very end of the film.

Thirteen rows of text

he has paved his way to hell only for a hollow victory that will not last.

I see people say this and they never define it well. What would be a "lasting" victory? Watchmen is itself a generational story. It's post WWII and the peace lasts about 40 years. Would 40 years of peace mean Ozy succeeded? 80? 120? surely 1 year is a failure, but what is success?

only leftist authors die, simple as that

you just admitted that you didn't even read Watchmen lmao

In the words of the great Linkara, it's ambiguous. Maybe Ozy actually succeeds in ushering mankind into a golden age of prosperity, but Moore certainly seems to hint that his plan is a house of cards destined to collapse.

But he wasn't a cool bad ass, only The Comedian was. The rest of the watchmen were sissy faggots

Watchmen and lord of the rings fans are not the same thing. Nor would they argue this position. Lotr is rooted in catholic faith but it’s not a mirror nor is allegorical. Your meme is fucking stupid

He was a rapist and a war criminal though.

Rorschach was an incel nazi

He's a ginger with a deep voice, he's a volcel.

lurk moar newfag or fuck off back to where you came from

He was a rapist and a war criminal though.

Like I said, cool bad ass

the original script for the Watchmen movie had the WW2 heroes and the Silk Spectre rape attempt completely removed

Why????

cry more sweatie

So uhh what trickery was afoot here? Surely something fishy is going on with this many jews gathering together to create wholesome comic books.

Which is correct, especially so in case of blacks and hispanics.

sweaty

Two things that appear contradictory can be equally true in their respective context.

Nuance I guess

When I started lifting, Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Edward Blake was my aspirational physique. So buff, rugged and manly. Broke my heart when I learned he wore a muscle suit and is a legit DYEL. Still a kino actor, but damn.

"Low paid funny paper artist/writer" was an inmigrant/low-class job, so there were a lot of low class jewish inmigrants working on that industry.

good thing based adrian nuked them all into orbit

When I started lifting, Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Edward Blake was my aspirational physique.

based

Yes, we already know both him and owlman are supposed to be the in universe deconstruction of batman. You don´t have to sell it to us.

What would be right is an impossible world where people share resources and provide for one another instead of taking things for themselves and victimizing others if they feel like it. There was no easy solution in Watchmen just like there is none in reality. People have selfish instincts and they're going to continue having them because they're an evolutionary advantage

I hate Nite Owl II

but y tho?

wtf why does this guy have a picture of my parents fighting on his mask

this does not answer my question nor does Moore hint at the plan being a house of cards here. A man that can see the future has a different perspective on an "end" than a 46 year old man. Time is relative.

Why do people think Moore never intended for people to like roschach? He very clearly made him an empathetic character with a tragic backstory and a justified reason as to why he became rochach and why he went to the deep end. Sure his character is meant to dissect the type of issues that may arise by living that type of life and how easy one can be corrupted and distorted by dwelling in such violent crusades but still he is presented as more of a victim of such a corrupt environment. You are not meant to idolize him and realize he turned into an schizo but he is still very likeable and nothing in the writing tries to make you think otherwise

Success may be that he staves off global conflict foe the rest of his life, but unless he can collect a new generation of the world's greatest minds to craft a different giant psychic alien the next time it looks like World War 3 is about to kick off, then he did not permanently solve the issue of human conflict, and he has to live with the idea that he killed a million people just to kick the can down the road

cool bad ass

cracks up and does nothing when he finds out about Veidt's scheme

his ideology was autistic cope that let him be an asshole and it crumbled the minute he discovered exactly how much more nihilistic someone can be

It also parallels the comedian in a way. He was a man who justified his cynicism and lack of regard for others by taking an absurdist approach to life “everything is a joke” to him. But when he was presented with a truly absurd and horrible plan to kill thousands his facade crumbled and he realized that life could truly be meaningless.

This is a reasonable answer. Giving the time of another 40 or so years. I think the story shows this is the cycle of things. It's interesting that we're about 40 years out from when Watchmen took place.

Sure, but Moore pretty much spells out that Veidt is the shipwrecked sailor from The Black Freighter on this page. Like I said, it's ambiguous, but things like Veidt being the shipwrecked sailor, Veidt's victory pose resembling the Doomsday Clock, Rorschach's journal in the final panel, all of it points to the inevitability that Veidt's plan will fail in the end.

Black Freighter is a different story though. In that story the sailor imagines the horrors and is wrong about the threat. There is a nuclear threat though. And the nations unifying into peace solidifies they were a threat to each other.

inevitability that Veidt's plan will fail in the end.

The eventual heat death of the universe is also inevitable. Without defining when his plan will fail, it becomes less relevant. What if it lasts 1000 years?

If gays can be in the closet so can fascists. Neill Blomkamp is deep in the closet for his love a racial segregation.

alan moore isn't as smart as he thinks he is

Why are we talking about a comic book on Anon Babble? If you’re talking about the movie obviously Alan Moore had nothing to do with it, so move over to Anon Babble or shut the fuck up

does it make you mad that your propaganda machine is failing?

It's kinda funny how the Soviet Union fell only 5 years after Watchmen came out.

Like, damn, we really overestimated them a lot.

Blue god man wasn’t around in real life, that escalated things in their world.

the Nazi wants to stop the deaths of millions of innocents from the Leftist Communist

Rorschach will kill 1000 people to save one life
Ozymandias will kill 1 person to save a thousand
That's the difference

doing nothing

The eventual heat death of the universe is also inevitable.

Is it though? Maybe Manhattan can stop it, since he finally discovers the value of life towards the end. But yes, Veidt's plan may actually succeed, but you can tell by his tall shadow in his final panel that he is truly lost and alone. The only thing he knows for sure is that he has postponed a nuclear holocaust, but you can tell that the uncertainty and guilt are an unbearable burden, and his victory ultimately feels hollow. When he asks Manhattan for reassurance that he did the right thing, his supercillious mask of an emperor slips, and what's behind is really just a scared orphan.

rorshack is a ripoff of the Question and Mr. A. ALan Moore is pedo obsessed hack.