Gobekli Tepe

snake oil

I love how the default criticism is to call them grifters even when they aren't selling anything other than their books.

This is actually a bigger problem than people want to believe. There is a religious like belief system in high level academia that refuses to rewrite the books when new evidence is presented.

The dinosaurs being wiped out by an asteroid was considered high fantasy and idiotic, and wasn't accepted until they found the crater in the 90's, years after the scientist, who they destroyed his credibility and career because he proposed the idea, died.

And advertising for their Netflix specials.

Okay, but if you don't like it, don't watch it. What's the matter? No one is allowed to like things you don't like?

Things just keep getting older!

Weird innit

Weren't you just saying that Hancock isn't trying to sell people anything?

Evidence for them is very weak

Dibble will debunk the italian research team.

Gobekli Tepe predates the bronze age by at least 10,000 years. A massive city sized structure buried under a mountain that was intentionally filled in for some reason, and Turkey refuses to let real reasearch happen because it would go against their muslim belief system.

Plato the greatest thinker of all time says his uncle worked for Egypt and heard the story....how is that not enough?

you still haven't even addressed the fact that Hancock's theories are entirely premised on ancient alien theory and woo woo shit about ley lines and spiritual energy

Constantly stating the people who built these structures are were far more intelligent than modern science gives them credit for.

actually he thinks that there was an ancient civilisation that migrated to a more primitive one and showed them how to do things. So he thinks those ancient people were less intelligent than modern science portrays them, because they needed outside help

Explain how the Coral Castle in Florida was built by a single man without any power tools.

Dibble owns ya. Dibble makes ya seethe

you havent addressed the fact hes right about leylines and Ancient Atlantis

this is such a cope by brainlets who dropped out of high school and imagine themselves as smarter than university professors

if you had any idea about how academia actually functioned, you would know that disrupting conventional knowledge is literally the only way for an academic to make a successful career for themselves and secure funding. if hancock's theories had any scientific validity, he would have a tenured position at Oxford or Harvard by now.

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I think that period/those periods of proto-sedenterisation are super interesting but Graham is attaching wildly speculative conclusions to them. Those Gobekli Tepe niggas didn't have pottery but were supposedly a civilisation.

The Dibbate is over

this is the type of thinking that leads to thinking Shakespeare was fake, he didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge so he must have been Francis Bacon or some noble

in comparison, Jared Diamond's works are incredibly controversial in academic anthropology but he's received tons of awards and honorary titles despite not having any formal training in anthropology or history. even though his theories are controversial and even panned by academics, they still have scientific validity and Diamond has been acknowledged and rewarded for them

There is a giant stone structure with complex 3d carvings on, which according to the last time LIDAR was allowed, the uncovered section is less than 5% of the site. It was intentionally buried by hand, and bits of broken pottery have been found mixed with the rubble used to fill it in.

Gobekli Tepe is cool and all but calling it massive or even a city is bs

gets BTFO by the DibbGod

makes a 40 minute cope video a week later

KWAB

Trump wins

Billy Mitchell wins

Graham is next, nerds

Cause thinking you evolved from some monkey is very scientific right? Fuck that shit and fuck that fantasy about the big bang too, idiotic seudo science at best
Whoever did all this in the past either were help by aliens or by some advanced being like angels or whatever, but don't give this bullshit about science

So let me get this straight, the members of a super advanced civilization facing a 1 meter per century rise of sea level decided to hop into boats and to travel all over the planet to teach hunter gatherers to plant bananas seeds because it was the only way to save civilization? Like moving further inland was not an option?

It was intentionally buried by hand, and bits of broken pottery have been found

The intentional backfilling thing was always speculative, as the enclosures are in areas that would naturally be vulnerable to landslides and there is evidence of repairs from such incidents in some of them. The area being used during the pottery era is not controversial but the oldest structures are pre-pottery.

By the standards of ancient times, it is city sized.

by ancient times standards it's still a temple complex/pilgrimage site, still far from cities like in Mesopotamia or Indus Valley civilization

The excavated portion, yes, but there is pretty good evidence that it extends much further across most of the plateau.

academia that refuses to rewrite the books when new evidence is presented.

and wasn't accepted until they found the crater in the 90's

you just refuted your entire argument in the same post, are you medically retarded?
there is no such thing as lockstep academia, scientists disagree there all the time about the details, people like hancock get laughed out the door because they have ZERO evidence, get super salty about it and try to pander to the public instead, who has much lower standards of academic scrutiny

appeal to authority, logical fallacy

go ahead and drink from a sewage pipe then, your plumber has 20 years of work experience and tells you don't do it, but trusting him would be appeal to authority and a logical fallacy

i looked into that and it is pretty shoddy, at least people's interpretation

no

I did anthropological research for several years which is what I went to college for and let me tell you every single person in that field is a total hack and that field in general is full of examples of academics sitting around jerking eachother off. Most academics just pedal whatever bullshit ideology they believe in by trying to give it credibility through disguising it in a web of jargon and statistics that's basically incomprehensible to the average person not because it's actually complex, but because it's intentionally verbose horseshit. The way academics write is no better than the way lawyers speak in court.

Gobekli Tepe is stacked rocks, its impressive and might show that humans are sedentary for longer than we thought but its extremely primitive compared to bronze age architecture in egypt or greece
so how exactly is it proof of an ancient unknown civilization

All civilisation is stacked rocks, anon. The stack is getting very high and precarious these days