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Nazi Germany 1v1 with Soviet Union would have been kino we deserved.

No, whilst we can effectively deal with what-ifs all day until we're blue assuming no other change is made BESIDES delaying Barbarossa, then all that changes is that Stalin's ears have more time to try and relay evidence through the frankly apalling number of spies privy to the fact that invasion is inevitable to him, the Nazi economy based on war plunder and forced labor is stretched even thinner, Germany's "allies" fall apart naturally and require its intervention same as our timeline, etc. There is no "condolidating" rule over all of Europe by one country in occupational force. That would required more soldiers than existed, and those would be soldiers not available for Barbarossa, which mind you failed with the numbers it had

mad man

Go read his writings. Considering that he was self taught it's reasonable to assume that he had a 180+ IQ. He knew what he was doing and the risks involved. But doing nothing would have been worse

their entire economy was collapsing because da nahzis were stupid doo doo heads

ignores the fact that they kept the war going for another 4 years after barb.

Hello, Rabbi

What a bullshit story, Who'd let a parkson riddled geriatric lead a nation!? no one would do that!

and the British Isles was complete

They wouldn't be able to defeat the British.

The goal was too force the British to sue for peace. The original idea was to let the Soviet Union join the Axis. This was abandoned as Hitler was against it and the Soviets demanded too many concessions in the Balkans.
Instead of making the Soviets their formal ally the Germans decided to crush them and deprive the British of any potential ally.

the Nazi economy based on war plunder and forced labor

My favorite revisionist jew lie

There was no way that Germany would have been able to invade Britain. The Royal Navy would have made it impossible and the resources to pull it off in 1944 going the other way was insane, no way Germany would have been able to do it in 1940.

And without help from the US the UK would never have been able to land back in Europe

as others have pointed out it was very important for hitler's ideology that he'd invade eastward eventually. that said, let's say he had the foresight to see how operation barbarossa would turn out and he'd refrain from doing it. here's what i think would happen

germany remains a big bully in the central european area while soviets bully their own border states

nazi high command realizes that their economy isn't going to collapse despite the warnings by their economists as long as they stay in war economy

therefore most of the fighting continues in africa or even middle east where germany/italy would fight over US/UK over oil fields and other territory

germany/italy would probably win in the short run but it's likely the US logistics would make it more and more difficult over time

maybe they settle a peace after a literal decade of proxy fighting and getting nowhere, because a full-on invasion of either mainland is pretty difficult

german economy would probably be a mess at this point, even if they acquire some oil fields in saudi arabia or something, and the country becomes an impoverished dictatorship

france probably becomes pseudo-independent at some point or another because it's so culturally strong and different from germany and can't be annexed

all bets are off what happens when hitler dies

i don't think it's really a lie in the sense that they relied on forced labor a lot and there WAS a plan to "plunder" their way to fixing their economy. early on the nazi high command was warned time and time again that running a huge deficit would crash the economy, but as we've learned much later, running a huge deficit in an authoritarian state doesn't crash the economy, it just causes mass shortages, poverty and destroys all your alliances and friendships. they probably could have run that shitty deficit for decades at the cost of effectively turning every citizen into a forced laborer

not ausgang

then why put the exit there you sneaky germans

>nazi high command realizes that their economy isn't going to collapse despite the warnings by their economists as long as they stay in war economy

i added this part deliberately because afaik the nazi high command was urged to act quickly to balance the economy, and the only ideas they had circled around the idea of rampaging eastward and plundering and enslaving all they could in order to balance the budget

Its cope, they didnt even begin full rearmament until the war already started. What big deficit?

muh MEFO bills

Investing in your country is bad goy don't do it!

tbf the UK would have had a better go at it than the germans. but i doubt they would have ever bothered landing in mainland europe, makes more sense to make smaller incursions in those buffer states and fuck shit up and then leave until hitler gets pissed and does something stupid

What big deficit?

the deficit that they were running. read a book

Where is that nazi tranny spammer where you need one?

for me, it's the nazi surrender spammer

Hitler unironically didn't believe in logistics. Germany had some of the best logisticians in the world and they were summarily ignored because Nazi ideology is fundamentally based on magical thinking. They told everyone they possibly could that there was a hard deadline for the defeat of the Soviets before logistics and factories would begin to break down. Everyone ignored them because they really, truly believed that they possessed the ability to influence material reality with their determination and will to win. As long as there was ANY hardline Nazi in charge, Germany never stood a chance.

True, it would end up being a stalemate until Germany attacks the Soviet Union. It was always going to happen.

Nazis and communists wear each nother out in long drawn out war

Anglosphere sneakily defeats both with strategically placed nukes in Moscow and Berlin

Cold war doesn't happen

Rest of 20th century is peace on earth

Churchill was wrong after all

read a (((book)))

ftfy

Why do people/nazis think the British islands were actually vulnerable to German invasion?

If they could have done it, they would have. They didn’t because they couldn’t

wait till you find out about their (((central bank))) and who got the money for the stamps mandated by the government with his likeness as well as the copy of his book(that you had to pay for, btw)

6'0 vs 5'11

it is comforting to know that even if nazis were to gain power once more, they'd lose and get nuremberg'd again because they're simply unwilling to reconcile with reality

would Hitler have won if everyone just let them

Hitler being mad is pure cope, you don't have to like him or agree with him but he wasn't mad.

They could still have won up until operation Uranus encircled stalingrad. There was no path to victory from that point on.

Madman hitler is a convenient excuse the german people made to foist their own actions on a dead man.

Libgen is free

I'd just drive panzers through the Chunnel lmao. Boatsisters seethe

Probably. Knocking England out would have made it harder for the US to send aid to the Soviet Union but Japan not going through with the Kantokuen plan had a bigger effect. If Japan had pinned down troops in the Russian far-east they couldn't have been used as reinforcements for Barbarossa and the Nazis would have taken Moscow. Then Japan wouldn't have to worry about the Soviets invading Manchuku and the US would have had a much harder time with them (with Germany potentially aiding them to boot).

götz otto has such strange career

P.S. That's hindsight though--the Nazis didn't coordinate well with their allies and Japan was terrified of the Soviet Union coming down from the north while they were still struggling with the Chinese insurgency. They honestly thought as if the Soviet Union would put its full might upon them from the north and Hitler didn't do a good enough job assuring them that the Soviet Union was too weak to fight a war on two fronts before 1941 (Barbarossa was a sneak attack, remember).

BRINGERT SIE MIR FEGELEIN
FEGELEIN!!!
FEGELEIN!!!

there was no real win condition for the germans staying in soviet russia to begin with. they were banking on the soviets giving up but with stalin in power it was never really going to happen.

the only way for them to "win" would have been to call it quits after invading all of russia's buffer states, and refrain from doing a heckin genocide on them. those countries initially greeted the germans as liberators because they hated soviets

there's a lot of little things the nazi high command could have done better and smarter but ultimately chose not to because of ideology

i don't know if the germans could've knocked the english out, except via an incredible u-boat campaign starving them to death (the one they performed was already way better than they expected)

They could have theoretically stabilized their line if they took Stalingrad or simply did not fight over the city. I'm only giving them a chance because they controlled the Soviet oilfields for a few weeks. If they held the oil indefinitely they had options. Whatever, even if Uranus doesn't happen there are dozens of other possible tipping points for them in this possible timeline, I'm just saying that was their very last chance.

i don't know if the germans could've knocked the english out,

If Halifax becomes PM, Dunkirk ends in disaster, and Italy does better in Egypt, then it is totally feasible that Britain makes peace, in which case it is Germany vs the Soviets alone, which could end however the person doing the counter factual wishes.

survives the blast from a bomb placed literally at his feet

explain this

It wasn't, the bomb was at least 10 feet down the table. I have heard the explanation that, at the moment the bomb went off he was leaning far over the table motioning at things, so the table lifted him up. There was supposed to be a second bomb but the bomber was rushed.

i don't know if the germans could've knocked the english out

The RAF was spent and the Nazis overestimated its ability to maintain air superiority in a land invasion. There's also a myth about high morale, in large part due to deifying Churchill through his speeches, when the reality was they were expecting the worst.

In hindsight, Hitler needed to knock the English out of the war to prevent the Americans from having a staging ground. However, the Nazi war machine was built on speed so he gambled on attacking the Soviet Union sooner (i.e. the war should have been over before the Americans could set up in England) while thinking the Japanese would tie up Soviet Troops on the border of Manchuku.

What ended up happening is the Japanese didn't take advantage of Barbarossa (because it was a surprise attack), the Soviets were able to reinforce their army by transferring troops from the far-east, and the war went on long enough for the US to get actively involved.

It's all hindsight though and if one were in Hitler's position there's a good chance they'd gamble the same way he did. However, the Japanese not tieing up the Soviet Union in the east and allowing Britain to hang in thus giving the US a better rationale for dropping its formal isolationism was the outcome.

It's all hindsight though and if one were in Hitler's position there's a good chance they'd gamble the same way he did

i agree. there was also the fact that hitler had gone all-in on invading france with a high risk high speed campaign, and his plan was an incredible success despite protestations from his generals. so they were probably somewhat euphoric and thinking "wow this hitler guy must really have it all figured out, his plan just knocked out france with ease after us failing to do so for 4 years in ww1, the russians should be ezpz" and with hitler thinking much the same of himself