Am i not supposed to want to go to war against the fucking Bugs?

No you're supposed to see that the humans are a stand in for white people and the bugs are a stand in for brown people and want the bugs to destroy all of the humans and the beautiful society they built. Same with Avatar.

The film acts as if you shouldn't mindlessly do what your told just to benefit Isra... I mean the Military Industrial Complex.

Of course you are, since the movie is an in-universe propaganda piece.

It was literally a premonition to the Iraq War

Humanity finally united against a common enemy? Fuck peace!

war between the entire human race and bugs

lefties call you a fascist if you side your own species

Their agenda is blatantly anti-human, surpassing the liberal/leftist humanism of their predecessors with a misanthropic post-humanism. A lot of the leading feminist theorists, particularly Donna Haraway and Sadie Plant, make this goal explicit. They want to surpass humanity through transhuman technology and revert mankind (and eventually, all of existence) into a single primordial goo. To pave the way for such an ambition, the culture-war wing of the left, particularly all the "media literacy" faggots, want to shame anyone from doing something as innocuous as supporting your own fucking species. Just look at how they try to defend orcs and bugs and zombies while criticizing any human militancy against these existential threats as "fascist".

get a load of this conspiracy nut

pointless meatgrinders maiming and killing thousands of young soldiers are bad! why did the invasion of klendathu fail? what are we even doing? it looks like we arent even trying to win the bug wars! we demand answers from the military government!!

THIS IS BLATANT ANTI-HUMAN AGENDA YOU BUG APOLOGIST SHILL! LEFT WINGERS SELL OUT THEIR OWN SPECIES FOR THE CULTURE WAR! TAKE THEM TO THE GULAGS NOW!!!! HELP ME SKY MARSHALL!!!!

Your entire life is war on bugs

You are a patriotic citizen committed to the war on bugs

You will forget any conspiracy which undermines the war on bugs and report contradicting narratives to the appropriate authorities

Why in the everloving fuck did Dizzy die and not that pilot bitch?

War only benefits those in powers, the ultra rich, and you know who
You fell for the propaganda

I'm doing my part

There wasn't a false flag.
The bugs really did sent that meteorite, but more as a declaration to another swarm to stay away from their territory. Ultimately this was a response to the settlers.

If that were true ethnic cleansing and hegemon dominance would have proven ineffective

Why didn't they exterminatus any planet with bugs?
We already have non nuclear bombs that have the capacity to penetrate past the earth's (or almost any solid planet's) crust and they have spaceships and shit
Why do you think the Iranians built their nuclear reactor underground covered in thick reinforced concrete?

The bugg sugged him??

The bugs hate Democracy, therefor I hate the bugs.

I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill them all.

Buenos Aires was a false flag

DAILY REMINDER: If you watch the commentary by Verhoeven, he literally confirms that it was the bugs.

out of nowhere false flag subplot

That is a hare brained theory born out of an physics oversight, not a subplot. The bugs in the book have actual spaceships.

the point isn't that the bugs are the good guys

the point is that military juntas and manufactured consent suck

Slimy bug claws typed this.

Learn from Ender, the bugs were the good guys all along

The terran federation isn't a military junta though, the sky marshall is an elected position, no different to the US president being considered the commander-in-chief.

That is far too nuanced for nu-chan zoomers and LLM bots pretending to be people.

Verhoeven never said the bugs were the good guys, he said in the commentary it was mostly that the humans are fascist because their first response to getting attacked was to reciprocate instead of finding a peaceful alternative.

anyone who isn't a member of the military is a second-class citizen. that's a military junta anon, it's just a very big one

isn't a member of the military

Movie oversight because it focuses on the military. "Federal" service does not specifically mean the armed forces. They left out the clarification that anybody can do federal service, meaning just doing work for the government. They'll simply find a task that is as unpleasant and grueling as possible to make you want to quit before your two years is up.

When you nutted but she still succ

NTA but do you guys have any idea how fucking long it takes an asteroid to travel through space? The bugs would have literally had to knock an asteroid into the path of Earth's trajectory millions of years before it arrived. They would have had to knock that asteroid on course before our species even fucking existed.

NTA but do you guys have any idea how fucking long it takes an asteroid to travel through space?

Yes. Unfortunately for you, the existence of a plot hole does not add more to the script than what is already provided, or intended.

Faggot

Military service used to be a thing to be able to vote, or an argument for the right to vote, in many countries, anon.
In Sweden there were the slogan in the early 1900's:

one man, one rifle, one vote

It was an oversight, that should have been obvious since the actual book bugs don't colonise planets with asteroids.

It still is in America, technically, men have to sign up for selective service which enables them to be drafted. Which is an even more unfair system than the fictional terran federation is assumed to be. Civilians aren't even mistreated, they're just not permitted to vote.

Kek, based

for being filthy communists

George Soros is somehow up there

Uhm, what?

What's unfair about it? Or do you mean it's only men, not women?

a billionaire isn’t a communist

Women only have to come of age to vote

Men have to come of age and make themselves available for draft to vote

No shit it's unfair, that's textbook unfair.

Yes, they can be. There's tons of Chinese billionaires.

nobody in this thread cares about the book and giving you a "choice" where the option the government doesn't want you to take is deliberately made as shitty as possible to force you to take the choice they want is literally manufactured consent

You're hurting the feelings if the bug people

The government ideologically only wants people who are prepared to go through shit to be able to vote to be able to vote, and for very good fucking reason considering the alternative history as presented. This isn't even all that different to America in its early days where only land owners, and thus those who paid the most taxes, were able to vote.

i’m repeatedly told on this website that china is not communist when it is convenient for their argument

china is filled with bugs

It's not communist at all, communism is stateless, it is more accurate to define them as socialist in which the economy is broadly controlled by the state. Anybody still calling them communist does not know what the word means and is still stuck in Cold War era propaganda that divided the world into Captalist/Communist when the truth was that every country on the map is some flavour of Socialism.

so no billionaires are communist then thank you

Stop cursing

Even during the soviet era there were rich people exploiting the poor in russia. Communism was just a convenient excuse.

the government only wants people who have spent several years trauma bonding with the government and its biggest supporters to vote

I know, that's why people have issues with it. It's a societal version of taking a girl to a spooky movie because contrasting the spooks with your nice presence causes her to instantly bond with you more

Yeah, they can be socialist however, especially now when corporate and state interests are thoroughly married, which is probably what that anon meant.

It's a societal version of taking a girl to a spooky movie because contrasting the spooks with your nice presence causes her to instantly bond with you more

Also the fact that if she gets startled or scared, the first thing she's going to do is hold your hand or grab your shoulder to hide behind.

several years

Two. Two years. Even the movie makes that obvious. And yes, trauma bonding is the point, but not for the state's benefit, since literally every member of the state apparatus is subjected to the same kind of trauma rather than being a bunch of fat cats who bought their way in. The idea is that only those who were willing to subject themselves to trauma should be permitted to steer the ship of state.

The idea is that only those who were willing to subject themselves to trauma should be permitted to steer the ship of state.

because everyone else is going to get killed leaving a bunch of people who have the same line of thinking

communism is stateless

So the Soviet Union wasn't communist? Where have I heard this argument before?

Civilians don't fight though, they literally, by law, didn't have to.

Yeah, that's easy for aliens with FTL travel

false flag

I have seen this claim so many times. It is not true. They keep saying it. There is no evidence for it. They keep saying it.

Yeah yeah "real communism hasn't been tried", I say that unironically though since it's the truth. There hasn't been a large scale society arranged without a state apparatus, none of the so-called revolutions that set out to accomplish it never get past the socialist big government stage because nobody ever wants to give power up.

You are trapped by a highly effective propaganda effort intended to herd you into an us vs them mentality because the whole world being different flavours of socialism doesn't rally people quite as well.

And to be clear, communism never would work even if tried because humans are hierarchical in nature, in the absence of an organising hierarchy, one will be formed. Anarcho capitalism doesn't work for the same reason. Anarchy is inimical to the human condition.

gonna have to drop one on this thread

I don't believe it was really meant to be a false flag but it's funny that Verhoeven has a fucking university degree in physics and he still didn't give a shit about how ludicrous the sizes, distances, and speeds are in his sci-fi movie.

Communism is the wrecking ball of the capitalist. The two are dialectical twins with the same fundamental assumptions.

I am pro Israel you cunts.

This movie was great but it's interesting how different it is to the book. You can tell there was no satire when Heinlein wrote about how only people who fought for their planet deserved to vote and how public floggings ushered in a new age of order. I wonder if it would have been well received if they dropped the satire.

Audiences at the time didn't pick up on the satire at all, everyone just thought it was fucking cool

Audiences are capable of picking up on satire and thinking something is cool man. It's not like the satire is hidden behind anything, it literally slaps you in the face. Unless you're claiming audiences when this movie released were all brain dead retards.

Because it would be boring if it took thousands of years to go to the bug planet.

Audiences at the time didn't pick up on the satire at all

American audiences at the time.

public floggings ushered in a new age of order

That seems to work well in the middle east...

just because 9/11 was a false flag doesn't mean buenos aires was too

Unless you're claiming audiences when this movie released were all brain dead retards

Not a lot of people go to the movies to see an action flick thinking it's they're going to learn anything anon, most people are just looking to be entertained for an hour or two. The sweats on the forums back then picked up on it, but that was a clear minority of the general audience who never even knew it was based off a book.

So, yeah, I guess you could call them retards, but that seems like an insult to compare them to the general audience now decades later.

fuck up, bugger

MEDIC!

the truth is that they all evil except Trump

I wonder what non-whites feel about leftists constantly associating them with bugs, orcs, etc.

They don't care as long as they keep getting weed and malt liquor

Friendly reminder Diz was best girl.

Even if your enemy is a cunt, no war seems better than any war. Also if you have interstellar travel can't you nuke the entire bug world(s). Massacring the bugs should be effortless with the IQ diff.

Movie, yes. Some anon said she was a filipino ladyboy in the book though and I'm not on board with that. Sci-fi writers are fucking weird, man.

was

heh

Denise Richards was obviously hotter, but Carmen was a bit of a cunt.

Bugs burrow pretty deep, surface nuking wouldn't be enough

muh leftists out of nowhere

Mental illness

I wouldn't call it satire but Heinlein definitely didn't have simplistic approval either. He's was never some cartoon fascist or libertarian that you can easily predict and he was sincerely exploring when he wrote settings and scenarios and not didactically telling you how great things would be if you do what he says

He did sincerely believe that something like the terran federation was inevitable simply because a lack of societal discipline would bring it about like a rubber band overcorrection.

Pain, is in your mind.

Idk man idk how many of his books you've read but all his protagonists seem to share similar views.

lack of societal discipline would bring it about like a rubber band overcorrection

And with Trump in office we are scarily close.

a bit

Carmen is an absolute psycho. To this day I'm not sure if her characterization is due to Denise playing herself as usual or if that's how Carmen is supposed to be

sees her bf get his brains sucked out by the giant worm a few feet away

if he had kept the knife for himself he might have survived

skips away from this ordeal (and a maimed leg) laughing and smiling with the guys who rescued her without a trace of survivor's guilt or ptsd

Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Trooper. Verhoeven trilogy kino.

what an inane and ahistorically retarded piece of agitprop this is

It is the way of progressives to go too far over the line, and it's the way of conservatives to overcorrect when they do. Trump is a reaction to social scientists going too far, and the philosophy towards reactionaries being to suppress it rather than refrain from provoking it. Moderation simply isn't in our nature, civilisations have fallen to extremes and excesses before and they will again.

Self-preservation is f-f-f-fascism! Help! Help! The buggos are being genocided!

Trump followed the family tradition; he never served. He'd not fair well in the terran federation.

Fuck, I didn't even know he made those other kick ass movies.
Starship Troopers is way more comfy and fun to rewatch than those movies though. Those other movies are dark as fug

Then don't pick a NECESSARY war for the survival of humanity to make that point.

Carmen is an absolute psycho

Great smile though.

What alternative? They're two expansionist species who can't share the same space. Only one can survive. There was always going to be a war, who fired the first shot is irrelevant.

She never seemed to think much of Rico, she was hesitant to display genuine affection outside of sexual, did not hesitate at all to dump him for career, and displays a lack of concern for life in general to the point it took her almost no time at all to build a reputation for being a crazy pilot. You could at least say that her reaction to Zander's was shock, but it doesn't hold up given everything else we know about her.

Rico's mom was right, she just wants to look handsome in a uniform.

All 3 are pretty satirical in their own way.

Verhoeven is a retard that doesn't even know his own movie's script. The peaceful alternative was the Arachnid Quarantine Zone, in place prior to the events of the movie.

is it ever indicated that humanity's survival is at stake? they make it clear in the movie that the Buenos Aires attack is retaliation for human colonists settling in their space.

the Buenos Aires attack is retaliation for human colonists settling in their space.

Bugs :)

Carmen is a woman. Dizzy is a man with tits. There are no Dizzys in real life, there's lots of Carmens.

you will never join the mobile infantry

you will never get to use state of the art weaponry

you will never have a qt flight gf

you will never have the camaraderie and bants of fighting in a unit

you will never get laid with the random hotties in your squad (your qt flight gf understands the tensions and the fine margins of adrenaline and sexual release)

you will never get a cool prosthetic limb

you will never get field promotions for chad behaviour and finding cool ways to kill bugs

you will never get to know more

"Bugs :)"

look inside

arachnids

you can pretty much do all of that shit. you just chose not to

Would you like to know more?

Your qt flight gf was literally busy banging chad. It's a plot point in the movie, dude.

The bugs are expanding their territory. They conquer planets with their spores, the same planets that humanity can also live on. They both need that space to expand.

you will never get eaten by ze bugs as your fellow soldiers fall back in disorderly retreat

TWABB

Yes, and you get to bang other chicks in your squad. No one eally loses here

Temple on Mount.

Set goals

Yeah I would. What the fuck am I looking at?

continued happiness in dream world until eventual (?) euthanasia

quick death in reality

Tossup desu

FIRE IN THE HOLE

damn! if only the galaxy had a hundred trillion planets

How many can sustain human life?

okay so the problem is the dumb military leadership, not the actual war because fuck bugs

The guy responsible for Klendathu resigned within a fucking day, unlike in our oh so great democracies where command failures are investigated for months, only to be swept under the rug once they're out of the news cycle while the perpetrators are forgotten about and get to keep their jobs. Oh but the big scary uniformed fascists, oh noooo.

youtube.com/watch?v=TryfqARSEd4
Every fucking time