Am I supposed to watch this movie and think, "Aw geeze, Africa is a hopeless shithole" and NOT think, "Oh wow...

It can both be true that Europeans basically treated Africa as just a place with material and human resources, and also that later Europeans would try to atone for this with a very poorly implemented reconstruction effort.

the only thing holding back africa is africans

There comes a point where you can't excuse mass incompetency.

Unless you're a self-hating white.

The colonies were treated as true expansions of their respective empires. He even mentions it in the documentary That the dutch were putting in railways and mining facilities before the Chinese even had them.

Now that Africa in under China's benevolent rule, it's doing much better.

a place with material and human resources

Is that not what all places are?

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Looking at someone's upbringing is usually a first step to figuring out why a criminal became a criminal.

Nope.

They did that with all of their colonies. Canada is still a plantation economy. There’s some subtle difference I can’t put my finger on

Chinese in this as if they aren't just doing this to make Africa hopelessly indebted to them and mine them of all their precious gems and resources?

If you look at history, and read up upon the Chinese colonial system, China always gave much more than they took in tributes as a point of Honour. They honestly believe themselves to have a Mandate of Heaven and being responsible for the Planet's wellbeing.
In fact, Chinese Emperors would try to limit the amount of tributes from their vassal states many a time, because it put imperial finances under an enormous stress (to recompense them twofold upwards to tenfold for their tributes).

I feel like being racist towards Africans is unproductive and has no future. Like okay so your premise is that they are apes who are subhuman, where do you go from there? The only logical path is enslaving them, killing them all, or just completely leaving Africa alone which would never happen because of all the resources there.

So the only solution is to slowly improve development and support stable capitalist democracies to work with Western powers.

And why didn't they develop basic morality in the tens of thousands of years prior?

You forgot option 4: leave Africa alone, aside from the resources, extract them under the fairest possible terms and put them to good use

slowly improve development

We've been doing that for decades and it hasn't worked because every time we improve conditions the population increases to wipe out whatever gains we made

They weren't treating it as an equal expansion of their empire, but as a source of resources. They were not expecting the Dutch to move there with their families and bring over Christian values. They were building infrastructure to continue mining operations for as long as it could be useful while displacing other people to make it happen.

You can't just keep blaming old colonies for present day problems, sure. But I still say that you need consistent change instilled in a people for at least two to three generations for it to become defaulted behavior. Too many people just think that if you bring education over and teach people for ten years and then leave, suddenly, they'll transform into modern-day Westerners or something.

If a group of people came over to teach Americans that "guns are bad" or something and did it for fifteen years, you're barely going to make a dent in their mentality because their morals and values are so entrenched into one way. In this way, many Africans are selfish because they're so used to living day-to-day where their government is never stable.

It's the differences between country relations. We deal with Canada for their lumber, we don't just deforest them until they're no longer useful to us.

You mentioned the objectively best solution for both the planet and humanity. Then you go on to say

So the only solution is to slowly improve development and support stable capitalist democracies to work with Western powers.

TND is the only way forward.

So the only solution is to slowly improve development and support stable capitalist democracies to work with Western powers.

Problem is that the west isn't interested in this.

The west still extracts resources from africa unfairly, placed debt onto them, the aid comes with strings attatched, the borders are drawn arbitrarily, corruption is used by the west and east.

What do you mean by basic morality? Every society was engaging in barbaric or hedonistic practices (by today's standards), even the supposedly advanced ones like Greece, Rome, and Egypt. Unless you mean to say, "Why was the engineering in Africa not as advanced as those places?" or "Why did no great philosophers come out of Africa?", which is different from societal morality.

You're an insufferable faggot.

What'd I do.

But things are slowly improving, In Rwanda and East Africa for example.

euromonitor.com/article/east-africa---the-rising-economic-jewel-of-sub-saharan-africa

the aid comes with strings attatched

Thigns cost money Javondrius

the borders are drawn arbitrarily

So redraw them? They're your countries and have been for decades, centuries in some cases

Belgians hire Congolese locals to guard rubber plantations and shipping routes

Congolese trade away their bullets for whiskey and rum

ask Belgians for more bullets, claiming they used them up "shooting bandits"

Belgians know that niggers are obviously lying

they tell Congolese they have to prove it from now on by bringing the severed hands of the bandits they shoot

Congolese have a big nig moment (possibly the biggest) and brilliantly conclude that "severed hands = free bullets"

go around chopping off as many hands as they can

Belgian colonial officials WTF at the mountains of severed hands dropped at their feet

they tell Congolese the deal is off, but the handchopping continues for another decade

to this day, shitlibs and normalfags think that Leopold just had a fetish for nigger meat

Africans are a cursed race.

FDI from China has helped fuel growth,

but anon this is the exploitative debt-imposition you're railing against!

Stop asking strangers on the internet what you should think. That’s your first mistake.

western countries have given 1 trillion+ of aid to africa, you zero ching chong

If you looked at Chinese history up until like, 1940's, you would think the same of them. 99% of their history is:

Man does something

Twenty million die (ten million eaten)

Those aid programs are economic leverage, debt traps and resource extraction deals that only exist to make profits from them, not to help. And redrawing those borders would spark countless wars because europeans split up the natural inhabitants of those regions.

If you redraw those borders you will get another Rwandan genocide times X, that's untold amounts of suffering. There would be millions dead, swathes of countries wasted, disease spreading and more.

They were a colony for ~60 years the foreign population was ~100k and growing. Then they had another 50 years until the documentary was filmed to get their shit together. You can see what they chose to do instead.

we can't redraw the borders because the Africans will butcher the other Africans (this is the fault of Europeans)

just..... don't do that? Hutu or Tutsi are not European terms bro, the distinction predates colonisation by a long measure

The West gives them a billion dollars for food that mostly goes to warlords.
The Chinks build them a bridge they can't afford and repossess it.
I guess there's something to say there.

Just leave them alone.
They got all they need, we need nothing from them.
Let them be themselves in their own place.

warlords don't use bridges? do they fly now

You can't just hand someone a shiny, well-built town, not tell them how to maintain it, then expect that generation of people to suddenly adopt western values in the span of 10 years. It takes at least two to three generations of CONSTANT morality and behavior for that to become the default.

You're right, Hong Kong doesn't exist

Are you telling me black people are too stupid to learn how to maintain the basic aspects of civilization? Racist.

Borders are irrelevant because no tribal people actually respect them, either way.
Lets say that you made Africa into a thousand thousand little ethnostates.
The people in each would still be trying to kill their neighbors because their conflict isn't one of inconvenience of having to share a nation, but simple ethnic hatred.
They'd just go from civil wars to standard wars.

This makes me hate russian men.

Looking at someone's upbringing is usually a first step to figuring out why a criminal became a criminal.

Step 1) Born a nigger
Step 2) I think I've figured out why this guy's a criminal

Nigs are the same in Haiti, Baltimore, and the Congo

Isn't a big part of the film the Chinese guy's frustration with how inefficient things were? He wanted a truck of gravel, or whatever, and it was a herculean task to organise such a simple thing since the African guys were so disorganised and wouldn't even show up, etc?

who do you guys think assassinated Juvenal Habyarimana

Yes, the Chinese guy had to deal with a constant folly of errors and laziness for even basic supplies, and workers.

yea what this guys said, also a trillion is pitiful over decades over an entire continent

There is no amount of money that would make a difference. We could have built sleek modern cities all across Africa and they would have trashed them the moment our backs were turned.

be african

living a day at a time is already a struggle

my country sells itself out once again, this time to the chinese

have to choose between unempolyment or doing gruntwork for my new overlords and build a railway

they have to gal to call this faustian railway a gift

people genuinely think that I should be grateful and give it my all

huh, seems like a big case of "not my problem"

proceed to do my job as poorly as possible while mindbreaking the chinese overseer and head-grunt Eddy

almost fifteen years latter and basement dwellers still bitch about me not giving a fuck

How exactly were those countries supposed to predict this?
They saw more primitive people and thought, "hey let's give them agriculture, surely that will help them out"

As someone who has had to put up with Chinese bullshit working in industry, I'm fucking glad they're having to deal with this shit in Africa. Your turn now, assholes.

The Chinese don't like anybody. They think if you don't agree to not see your family for 11 months straight while working 20-hour shifts, that you're a bad worker and probably think being sleep deprived is a skill issue.

my fucking god

russians colonize tundra chukchas by giving the choice of joining their empire or die, no gibs

No crime ridden retarded shithole (you might disagree)

snow nigger nords didn't even need infrastructure built for them, they just copied meds themselves and made another peak of civilization later

americans colonize nigger natives

their behaviour was mostly very retarded because of few specific tribes, but ones who left at least scam people with casinos and get black out drunk instead of killing each other

Europeans get to africa

build infrastructure for them, teach them agriculture, give them trillions of aid every year

still fucking nothing

why is it never their fault? my poor little niggerinos...is it because you intuitively know theyre inferior so you see them more as animals than humans? theyve literally NEVER done ANYTHING all throughout human history, but no its our fault

a trillion is pitiful over decades over an entire continent

crazy how Western/Central Europe, South Korea and Japan all rebuilt themselves after horrifically destructive wars.

except china had a respectable civilization all throughout human history. stop playing dumb

"Oh wow, these superpower countries sure have permanently fucked up the societies of lesser countries"?

3/10 bait try agian faggot
without western aid it would be a malaria/hiv ridden where people starve to death much much more than they already do

based niggers

Propaganda btw, no 125 millions did not die because Shang Xiaodong clapped his hands, there wasn't even so much people on Earth at the time
Chinese exaggerate numbers themselves, and other countries exaggerate their numbers to shit on them, like that dumbass sparrow famine story

We’ve awakened the wumao. He’s afraid. Good luck with Africa guy

china invest millions into Africa

Africa demands the chinks hire niggers

nothing ever gets done because of this

The impression is fuck niggers. Nothing else.

You’re supposed to think both.

that's because they all had an industrial base, moreover the amount was much larger adjusted to inflation.

It's about futility in general

hoo hoo

that's because they all had an industrial base

like what the colonial powers built in their colonies?

NIGGERS HAD FUCKING RAILROADS IT'S IN A FUCKING MOVIE

Harro frog, you dinner now

mmmm so good mmmm

Yeah but they also had to recover from being decimated by war. Africa just had to recover from having Africans in it.

Just like you retards are never to blame for your problems, it's always da joos.

Empire of Dust is awesome because it shows the true reality of things. There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are simultaneously reasonable and unreasonable and the problem comes down to a lack of ability to ability to understand each other’s problems. Yes Africa is a shithole, yes their system is shitty and broken, but also the chink in charge is incompetent for being unable to navigate these problems knowing they are problems and would rather throw a tantrum about it than fix the issues. It’s like complaining about a game that’s advertised as difficult being unfair or too difficult. Just git gud.

whataboutism

Try again.

These railroads weren't usually useful for anything but hauling stuff from some mine to coast city for shipping. If the mine dies so does the railroad. You might have two cities 100km from each other with no direct road connection but separate cargo lines leading to the same port.

than fix the issues

You can't fix it. The only solution would be to selectively breed the most intelligent and cooperative Africans and sterilize/kill the remainder. And repeat for many generations.

The "useful" ones were also destroyed. Also why wouldn't a mining train be useful? Are you retarded? Mine, sell, build things.

If the mine dies so does the railroad.

uh no actually railroads are pretty substantial sturdy things that last a good long time as long as nobody tears them up for scrap

t-thats whataboutism

The cry of a hypocrite who has been exposed.

Yes. That is whataboutism. Instead of addressing the issue, you dodge it by bringing something else up because you can't answer it.

And now comes the poltard projection.

Then address the issue. (You won't)

you can't just deflect to the jews anonie. This thread is about niggers.

For me it’s the multilingual African guy who is smarter than 90% of the white people I’ve ever met. Poor guy

Looking at someone's upbringing is usually a first step to figuring out why a criminal became a criminal.

Africans are all criminals? Yikes. That's a spicy take.

somewhere deep within the heart of darkness of all the cheap bullshit in your house, yes you do need more from them, your appetite won't be quenched

I'm sure the lineage of rulers of all the post-colonial-drawn states who have exploited their people in amassing their wealth from Western companies will altruistically relinquish their power

support capitalist democracies that work with western power

The notion of a global south capitalist state being anything but a tool of the west is ridiculous

One of the few posters itt with a functional brain.

There’s obviously no good answer. It’s pretty clear that a system of governance can’t be imposed on people who are unwilling or unable to accept it. Ideally they should be left to fend for themselves and adopt whatever system they can agree upon. In Africa it seems like it would be a bunch of tribal confederations intent on murdering each other, but ideally that wouldn’t be anyone else’s problem but theirs. Realistically? fucked if I know. I wish China the best of luck in their future endeavours there

eddy and lao yang absolutely would have bailed by now, but a new documentary could focus on all the weird illegal mines unofficially set up there that use local thugs as enforcers. the current meta of infrastructure and mining today in the congo is basically like someone playing an old RTS and everyone bumrushing gold mines while blowing everything up in the way. then multiply that by 40x then add in a ton of rape

somewhere deep within the heart of darkness of all the cheap bullshit in your house, yes you do need more from them, your appetite won't be quenched

My political dreams are like that of Tolkien.
I want a world that sees a degeneration of globalism so that corporations and governments can't rape people and nations across the planet in the name of their own enrichment and local cultures aren't treated as inconveniences to be paved over by rootless cosmopolitans that only about making the world comfortable for themselves.

whitey is to blame for africa despite 200+ years of gibs and "civilizing" missions

And modern libs just rewrite fucking history to pretend there was ~exploiting~ or something... thats why there are more blacks now than whites