Andor

Goosebumps. I cannot express in words how happy this series has made me.

why would I watch a show about a guy who is just going to die?

show literally ends with him heading on his way to go die

Unexpected kino, really.

Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit

You're slipping, dood. You used to be quicker.

Show has built-in limit of being a prequel for a dead character

first season is praised but unwatched, so only two seasons

finale season is a huge success, will probably be reconsidered for renewal

So what will they do with the show named after the now-dead character?

Make a prequel about bunnyfu.

Bix's kid will kickstart new trilogy

It’s okay to like it I guess, but it’s not Star Wars. It’s just another Disney product taking a once beloved IP and using it as a canvas to paint feminism, pro-homo, DEI, and other vile beliefs onto your psyche. But yeah, go ahead and love it up. Most people have ignored it and rightly so. Cheers!

*boop*

That's probably the best way to maintain the legitimacy of being called "Andor", but how do they maintain the story they've been telling?

it's not Star Wars

Andor starts a family and sacrifices everything to save them even though he doesn't know he even has a son

Sounds pretty Star Wars to me

kino actors both completely understanding their characters 100%.

dedra didn't know krennic would do that and reacted perfectly

The actress didn't know he would do that either. That was improvised according to her.

finale season is a huge success, will probably be reconsidered for renewal

How? They speedran through all the plotlines in one subpar season.

I wish I was half the Chad he is.

That's what he said in his post yes

Why does Dedra getting manhandled turn me on so much? I thought the appeal of her was being dominant, but apparently it's hotter if she gets dominated

Well they probably made some sales on people paying to see Rogue One instead of just pirating it. I really hope someone makes a R1 edit with a soundtrack that doesn't fucking suck so it lines up more with Andor.

Pretty sure a lot of us had some super ambitious, cunt of a boss we wanted to just see get throttled

unironically a good idea if she has to sell her pussy to survive and we see her get fucked several times per episode, often by tentacled monsters.

Jyn just isn't interesting. What they should do is make an Andor type show from the Empire's point of view

Good news everyone
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Yes, muh heckin' media literacy just leveled up. Andor is best piece of fiction since the Schindlers list. Just how I like my fiction: anti-fascist, and pro-partisan. See, we don’t need silly space wizards or funny space furries. This is the grown-up’s star wars. The eal Star wars. What Star Wars could be. No silly trash-truck desert-mobiles, either. What more could you want? Pure gritty adult fiction. Also, FREE PALESTINE. But the Holocaust was bad as well. The empire is literally NAZI GERMANY

Imagine being an unironic Andor fan celebrating something that, at its core, unmakes what Star Wars is and what it was born from.
You don’t care about mythology, lore, or the epic storytelling.You’re the bottom-of-the-barrel consumer, because sex, murder, and deceit is what makes you tick.

The same crowd that made me avoid game of thrones for years.

kindor cut

Tony Gilroy Thrawn series when

I want to ____ Bix

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Explain to me how this isn't epic story telling? Andor puts so much more weight onto the OT and enhances the experience by giving it more gravitas and meaning. Luke now isn't just a random hero, he is a hero that was passed a baton and saves real humans from real evil. How is that a bad thing?

Love and protect

Tfw when the crushing realisation sets in that Andor is over and we will never have something this kino ever again

the amazing this is, you can barely tell he's 10 years younger when the rogue one scenes start. it's almost a seamless transition.

Diego did a really good job making himself look absolutely miserable in certain scenes. Unfortunately fucking Disney Star Wars will be his Magnum Opus

Fuck you, I didn't want to feel bad for her character but the actress was just too good

Eh I think he'll be fine. He stands well next to Skarsgard and his roles aren't over. I'm sure more bigger roles wait for him. He was always typecast as the Mexican support in drama series, now he probably will do the same but get major roles

I hated her till the end. I know these kind of women. The mother of a friend of mine cried exactly the same way at his funeral when he killed himself and I knew exactly that she was one of the major reasons why he did it in the first place
Fuck her

Typical jewish mom.

I cannot fathom the idea of not watching a show or movie just because some of the fans annoy you. It's quite pathetic.

media literacy

Is this the new pol buzzword or what?
Maybe start with normal fucking literacy and read a fucking book you tard.

Hey, I know a guy who killed himself and his middle eastern mom cried so hard she couldn't even stand when I saw her. It's a shitty feeling watching a mom grieve their son

both seasons start with a plebfilter

Intentional or not, that's why it's so hard to convince people to watch it because the first 3 episodes of both seasons are so boring and annoying to most people

It's one of the major reasons why they cut Andor down from 5 seasons to 2. It's because they knew they could make it somewhat realistic if they end it soon, but add another 6-7 years and the actors age too much to make it a seamless transition with deaging technology and shit

Did you think that Andor was an interesting character before the show? For me the characters in RO were the weakest point since they all seemed boring with not enough screentime. Now the show made the RO Andor character much more compelling.

this

Too much time was spent on Ghorman. One arc would be more than enough. Season 2 doesn't reach the heights of the heist arc and ON PROGRAM

Ghorman Massacre is the absolute pinnacle of the show. Imo they should have fleshed out the characters and the story even more. I felt too much was skipped

I agree I thought I didn't give a shit about Andor but Jyn just really doesn't seem interesting. She's just a thief until the Rebels break her out

Yes, they're only good for buzzwords. If they were writers and creatives, they'd be making art instead.

Why is the Empire so kino?

I read books every fucking day. In fact, I’m an aspiring author. And I’ve drawn inspiration from Nabokov, Faulkner, Joyce, Keats.

media literacy.

It’s what every Redditor or terminally online liberal parrots the moment you disagree with their cinema preferences. Also, I’m not a fucking Anon Babbletard.

It's the contrarian gene in me.

Honestly, it ruins the Skywalker saga for me. Why not just make a new fucking IP if they’re so desperate to tell this kind of story?

At the end of the day, every single one of you are tourists.The flanderization of Star Wars is its death.

If you're familiar with fallout, please watch this—to understand how I feel.

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Rape and Star Wars are a match made in heaven

Oh, but I do make art, the written kind. Can you say the same anon?

Wow the same happened with a friend of mine
Is Anon Babble cursed?

Maybe you should get a wife and kids and not base your whole life on vidya games and movies. It's just a tv show.

because they are exclusively white

Who are you?

Star Wars will never be as good as this episode was ever again, this is the peak of the whole franchise

Yeah, I don't expect names like Revan, Cade skywalker, and the Yuuzhan vong to mean anything to you. Just more slop consumers here, with a swing in the ideology. Always thought people on Anon Babble, were an upper layer on the consciousness spectrum, but no. Midwits especially come here.

I need to learn to stop arguing on the internet, I'm just screaming into the void. uhhh.

Always thought people on Anon Babble, were an upper layer on the consciousness spectrum

4 chan is the asshole of the internet, where memes go to die. A joke site for a joke world and your getting pissy on it because some tv show is not exactly how you want it to be.

Season 2 was originally going to be 4 seperate seasons

I could have had more. I didn't have enough Andor, I could have had more

Yeah, I don't expect names like Revan, Cade skywalker, and the Yuuzhan vong to mean anything to you.

I don't understand how you could worship the EU but hate Andor

Disney Wars will never be Star Wars
behead those who support it

And that's a good thing. It's how you know that people who appreciate Andor are the right kind of people and not people that like things because they are popular. Bring back Plebfilters and Filter out annoying noise normies

I can't believe the best Star Wars character we got in the last couple of decades is a pathetic loser who seems like a character from UK Office. Also he's pretty aesthetic for a character who's such a dork

Based

Hey guys would you like to know how the rebel alliance started?

TIMESKIP

Would you like to know how Dedra caught Luthen finally?

TIMESKIP

Would you like to know what happened to Mon Mothmas' family?

TIMESKIP

Flanderization

You don't seem to understand what this word means and ironically demand Flanderization of Star Wars by demanding that Star Wars should be "x Y and z and nothing else these are the only characteristics that matter" and almost comically reject anything that gives it actual depth

Maybe we had the same friend. He was a huge fan of Star Wars Academy. I recommended him to play Jedi Outcast since he never played it. He never told me his opinion on it because he killed himself before I could ask him.

Or maybe overbearing mother's that crush their sons spirit and emasculate them to the point that they see no point in life and kill themselves is more common than we think

Let me list the normiest of the normiest EU books, I am very literate and smart

Either you are playing a very good parody or this is laughably pathetic. Anyway I laughed so thanks

I wish this was Luthen at the end

I thought that was Diego Luna at first lol

Nazis are always aesthetic. It's what George Lucas got right about the Empire

would have been completely out of character. Him killing himself in front of Dedra right after she tells him he just did all of it for his own personal gain is the best ending they could have given him

That's not really a nazi aesthetic tho. Syril is more of a classic businessman type of guy

How much more depth do we need, that doesn't retroactively shit on its foundations. Depth isn't a linear thing. You can dig yourself into a hole with enough depth and struggle to climb out.

If they were "normie" as you say. Disney would have raped it to death. It's a hard filter. Also It's nice that the responses here, affirm that I'm still a contrarian. And no I'm not parodying, I'm just neurodivergent.

Because the EU didn't play dress up, and house. It's why warhammer succeeds inspite of GW's messy cum.

It’s amazing how not OC Luther comes across. The

Oh this guy was the ACTUAL hero the whole time and no one knew and he knows everything

Could have easily been done shit yet he’s one of the shows best characters

And no I'm not parodying, I'm just neurodivergent.

Nigga you're literally just having an autism attack over things being slightly different than you are used to. That is not much of an argument for Andor being bad at all. The show is different but it only adds to the movies it is a prequel to, it is nothing like the prequels or some of the more retarded EU stories that directly contradict the OT or miss the point

You're right anon. I'll stop. ACK!

Nooo anon you can’t have more depth that makes the world more fleshed out, enjoyable to watch and engaging because…. YOU JUST CAN’T OK?

G'day there darth vader

Need you to help me build the death star mate

I guess it's because the character comes naturally from wanting to explore the darker origin of the rebellion. You can't make Admiral Ackbar or Mon Mothma or Bail Organa do all the kind of fucked up shit he has to do. He wasn't there to be a cool OC who can sell toys

Just jumping in to say the EU is better than Disney shit out right including Andor. Andor is a fugazzi and doesn't match the simpler enjoyment of 90s/2000s writers filling out the gaps with fanfiction George can't be asked to fill

syril got to fuck a dommy mommy dedra imperial nazi gf

god I wish that were me

And that's a good thing

Obviously it isn't, it ruins the narrative shape of the work and wastes the limited runtime on what are, at best, irrelevancies, instead of better realizing what's undercooked
Plus, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression
Might as well toss in Saint-Exupery;

Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away

Finally, pic related

The EU is fucking shit for 99.99% and an absolute gem for 0.01%. Andor is the 0.01% of Disney Star Wars

Who would be the best character to have a Schindler moment then?

Why does he talk like Zelenski?

But you can't remove the introductionary episodes of Andor without removing core themes and set up. They are integral to the story. They are not there to BE a pleb filter but they are pleb filters nonetheless. Easy starts that start with action to hook you are the ultimate indicator for corporate slop designed to be sold for the masses. True art realizes it needs to take time to build a foundation to erect a monument on it

Naw there's some pretty good star wars books that are as good or better than Andor. Don't even hate it, just don't think Disney deserves dick sucking for mediocrity

Season 2 was rushed.

ESL

this
still not watching this retarded show

Yes I'm Russian and his voice reminds me of Zelenski way too much, it triggers me and I can't finish the first season.

that's hilarious

He knew from the beginning that there will be no happy ending for him.

I burn my life to make a twin sunrise that I know I'll never see.

Andor is a must watch. If 24 episodes are too much, stop at the end of season 1. It tells a complete story.
Season 2 is different because it's 4 years condensed into one season, and can feel like x1.5 fast forward at times. You have to pay close attention to the details, and sometimes fill in the blanks. But it's worth it. Some of the best television, imo. Eps 1-3 are a bit soft, though, but it gets better, and then much much better in later episodes.
The music is also very good, especially season 1. The theme and its variations are iconic for me.

People who complain about Andor are either light saber mid wits, or have some agenda to grind. The show isn't woke, but has natural diversity, and respects all the characters, including white males.

Dude thinks he's well read for lapping up star wars fan fiction

Top sozzle

Someone post the belly already I need to fap

Anyone else just keep seeing Zelenskys walking around everywhere? There are so many of these vaguely ethnic short guys with short black hear and a short beard, instantly think Zelensky when I spot one.

But you can't remove the introductionary episodes of Andor without removing core themes and set up

You absolutely can
The first two episodes of Season 1 are so unimportant that they can be outright skipped. Anything actually necessary to the shape of the plot is recapitulated in episode 3. Go watch it again, starting from there: it actually has several advantages over bothering with the first two
And 'core themes and setup'? You mean like how Andor searching for his sister is literally the proximate cause of him getting dragged into being a fugitive and then a rebel, which the show then consistently fails to address? Do I really need to say for the 50th time that it makes less than no sense that Andor doesn't ask Luthen to look for his sister with his network of 'friends everywhere'?

muh 'build a foundation'

The show is a mess of loose threads and it only gets worse in Season 2
Disney shills, I swear to fucking god

I would watch a show about the wacky adventures of the ISB

did you see him just BREAK when he learned the real truth of the empire just waow! this is the real depth I want to see in my 40 year old sci-fi

wow, that was JUST like the la resist-ANCE! it's like i'm REALLY in 1944 France but in the FUTURREE this is SO FUCKING D33P

The music is also very good, especially season 1.

Yeah it's a bummer that Britell couldn't score whole season 2 due to some personal reasons

So how many boring episodes can you skip without missing out on kino.

None since they keep building up on each other. And the only boring ones are the first two of S1 and first three of S2.

In short you're better off skipping 1+2 of Season 1 and 1+2+3 of Season 2
At the absolute most, these are only worth half of their runtime

Season 1 had its throughline in what happened in Ferrix. Season 2 has Ghorman.
The show would have been better with three seasons, 6 episodes per in-world year. If that had happened, you'd have gotten your wish.
As it was, Episode 8 is some of the best television ever, so I can't agree with you that too much time was spent on Ghorman.
I just wish there had been more. I'm also happy with what we got. Finally a show that ended well and didn't waste our time.
From Disney, no less.

I watched it on recommendation from Critical Drinker, "best star wars since the prequels" "it got good"

No it didn't, that one episode 8? Was alright, had some tension, even if it is just French Resistance against the Nazis. But was it worth watching 7 episodes of slow, moving melodrama slop? And the later episodes were bland too, RO was 10 years ago, we all know where this was going. Fucking me its boring.

Ben Mendelsohn's few brief cameos are the best thing about the show and I'm not just saying that because I'm an aussie. Should have called the show Krennic and had him going from planet to planet being a bastard to people, I'd happily watch 12 episodes of that

Lmao
Stay mad zigger

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This entire sequence makes no sense without the first two episodes. You want instant gratification without the build up. You are a TikTok Zoomer

I like Bix

I use WOJACK images and CAPSLOCK to make fun of ANYTHING

BIX NOOD?

None. Get through the pleb filter or don't and accept you are pleb

BIX NOODS I BE CLAPPED OUT SENPAI FR LES GTFO HERE

Bix had to die - pregnant - or lose the baby as a consequence of the psych drops (whereupon she takes high risk missions) with Cassian getting the news of A) being a father and B) being bereaved at the same time. That's why he's calm on the beach in Rogue 1. That's how he gets his burntout edge back— otheewise we leave off with a talky exposition puppetry struggle session - without Vel present - eulogizing Luthin with asspull platitudes instead of grabbing all the intel leads into a death star shaped strongly inferential fist (while shooting down Bail with the fact of his team being comped). It was all rushed and mid— but that's great for Disney NuWars, I guess.

The most kino scene was Syril almost realizing he's been with the bad guys all along and that his autism was being weaponized and seeing Andor in that very moment, when his cope about foreign agitators is finally justified, and he *thinks* he was right all along. So he dies just a tool and it was all he was in the end.

spbp
im convinced nobody except marketers watches this show

Imagine someone starting Star Wars with Andor and hearing the name Bix constantly then go into Episode 4 and be confused by Bix is suddenly a guy with mustache

who are you?

kino

name a few, every time I hear people espousing the value of the old EU they always recommend videogames instead

You could condense the show down to about 5 episodes of actual story. The rest is a bunch of pointless shit where the camera just lingers on someone staring at a grey CGI background

BTW Thrawn trilogy doesn't count. They are hardly EU

I watched it on recommendation from Critical Drinker

The dude is a midwit with basically nothing valuable to say. I'm not judging you, though, because it's not like there's some easily-available, highly-accurate quality filter out there.

Ben Mendelsohn's few brief cameos are the best thing about the show and I'm not just saying that because I'm an aussie

I'm not an Aussie but you're not wrong. Krennic and Partagaz are uncontroversially the best characters overall, because there are no critical failures in the way they're written and they're portrayed wonderfully by their actors. Kleya is nearly there, but was badly under-served by the writing/plotting in S2 10-12, though the actress is faultless

Show me ONE (1) scene like that

Did you watch Season 1, because it sounds like you didn't. I can't imagine watching S02 without S01.
The thing that stood out about S02E08 was that it depicted very clearly the methods of color revolution used in Syria and Ukraine: astroturf a public protest, then setup snipers to instigate an violent uprising. If you don't see things like that in the show, then perhaps it won't resonate with you.
I also felt that the episode paid off very well on two seasons of setup. Without spoiling anything, we have a grovelling opportunist true believer waking up to the harsh reality of what he's been involved in, finally asserting himself as an independent person capable of making his own choices. That's strong character development and pay off.

Fucking me its boring

I never found Andor boring because I identified with the tension and stakes Andor and co faced. Maybe you live a boring low stakes life and none of this matters to you. But if you've ever had to take serious risks, I think the dialog and slow development work very well.
We got

to learn a lot about all the characters, who were well rounded and faced complex choices.

to see a variety of circumstances in which people are challenged to make life altering political decisions

This entire sequence makes no sense without the first two episodes

Prove it. Your assertion is simply false

yeah but you also think cutting your cock off for some jew on discord will also make you happy so your taste is pretty bad not going to lie to you retard

lmao buck broken faggots

Is it pure hopium we get movies or tv specials that take place during the timeskips? The sets are there and most of the cast would not mind a steady paycheck right? I can imagine a special for the first year of the grain planet, or on Ghorman. Or Whilmon adventures with Saw…

You could even dedicate an ISB special for their pov. God I want more content in the Andorverse.

Theyre not ready Luthin

Eggsactly

Cyril needed to be STUNNED by Inglorious Ghorman to underscore the above. It being in the head and that close, he's comatose. Dedra visits in the hospital and debriefs him tearfully in monologue (ISB counterintel surveilling, becomes basis of Krennik's suspicion). His outro sequence has the mother pulling the plug rather than have him be executed for treason, mirroring Partagaz. Dedra recieves death notice on the cell screen, THEN weeps— a shot of the panel on the wall shows EXECUTED FOR TREASON, adding insult to injury. Baldy outside Partagaz' office gives the stand down order— one trooper motions reception of helmet comms: the other nods: they both step back, take aim and—

God I want more content in the Andorverse.

nope, sorry. tony gilroy is out. there will never be anything like it ever again.
the only reason the series was even good is because gilroy is not a star wars fan.
because star wars is for kids, as lucas puts it.

Explain this scene to me, the meaning of it, the themes, the emotion evoked in this scene without mentioning anything that happened in the first to episodes. And when I ask you to explain, I don't mean "describe what you see on screen" like a Toddler

for the love of god stop watching this utter dribble. watch something from 10+ years ago. the only reason you think this shit is any good is because you have no point of reference, or maybe youre just really young, or maybe you aren't white. if its the latter two excuse my comment and go back to drinking out of the toilet

I'm not your OP, but I'll answer.
The final scene intercuts the story of Andor as Casa (boy) and Cassian (man), showing him as doubly exiled.
The Casa story line reveals he is a survivor of genocide of an indigenous people, who was saved by Marva who brought him to Ferrix. The actresses performance exudes love, and it grounds the adult Cassian to Ferrix.
The Cassian story line shows us how the Empire is experienced at the edge of its authority. It shows us a community that has gradually been drawn into conflict with the Empire (the Syril sub plot).
The end shows us Cassian entering the world of the Rebellion, though he is (as we will find out in E04) skeptical of it.
If you took out episodes 1 and 2, all you have is a condensed look at a rusty working class neighborhood, some bully police who show up to catch our in-the-wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time anti-hero, manages to run off to join the good guys.
Without the love shown by Marva to Casa and Cassian, why would Cassian return to Ferrix at the end of the season? It could have happened, but it would have had no emotional weight.

Or leave it as is because it was equally fine. I get what you are saying but this bring enough closure.
Partagaz was going to be executed because he knew of the Death Star when he should not have.
I dont know why Dedra didnt get executed, because she knew too and even caused the Luthen clusterfuck.

Making rouge one mandatory viewing is not great. 20 mins in and it has ADHD pacing and for some reason the rebels are acting like they didn’t already know about the death star

this is where the memes are born kiddo, plebbit is where they go to die

So what will they do with the show named after the now-dead character?

Submit for the emmys. Probably won't win much because Disney doesn't know how to campaign for them but thats next

I've written essays and contributed to books, including a monograph, on film and media studies. I'm pretty sure I know more about the subject than you, and have better taste.

This I want you to give an analysis like without mentioning anything of the first two episodes

I miss her so much bros

Hey mister movie connoisseur, give us a critical analysis of Andor and show us why it falls short against the greats instead of using meme lingo and trying distract then. Pick the best of the best if you will. Andor stands up to it

My head canon: Cassian already knows about the Death Star, so they don't need him. He's become an emotionally unstable, chatty liability to the Rebellion, so Cassian eliminates him. That's how I read it.

it has ADHD pacing

I agree. But Peter Jackson's LOTRs feels like that too after you've read the books. Andor had 20 hours to unfold itself. Rogue One has 2 and change.

god the decline of Anon Babble is brutal

My kid had a stutter growing up and every time the little droid said c-c-cassian i teared up like crazy. The fuck is wrong with me

The final scene intercuts the story of Andor as Casa (boy) and Cassian (man), showing him as doubly exiled.

That scene by itself encapsulates this by juxtaposition. We certainly didn't need 20 minutes of meandering flashbacks in the first two episodes to make it work

The Cassian story line shows us how the Empire is experienced at the edge of its authority

Ferrix itself is a long exemplar of this

The end shows us Cassian entering the world of the Rebellion

Which he doesn't really enter until his encounter with Luthen anyway. As for being a fugitive, starting with Episode 3 is superior, because it is mentioned that Andor killed the two corpo cops, but not knowing the circumstances or the reason is better for being vague, not least of which because it removes the issue of his sister being a mishandled plotline

tv show plays in back ground

crying and whining

Feel free to see yourself out.

The droid is like a puppy or a 5 year old and is constantly put into awful situations it can’t fully understand like its mother dying.
Imagining your own kid having to go through that must suck so it makes sense

Yeah, Rogue One pacing gave me whiplash but then I remembered it's a movie and movies are also faster paced. ANH is even more faster paced after you watch R1.

A show about the late Rebel hero Manny Bothinnes, set between ESB and ROTJ.

there is no need for that, its literal slop just like literally everything else released today. we aren't in the 2000s or 2010s anymore, when there was still something to argue about, oh this show is decent or it has these actors etc etc now everything is propaganda slop

Oh is it time to make the Andor haters seethe again?

Nta but I only wish it could have explored a couple of relationships even deeper. I wanted to see more of Mon Mothmas family and how she grew apart from them after the wedding, more of Syril working with the ghorman front and how that begins to change his relationship to dedra and the Empire, more of Partagaz and Dedra broadly responding and orchestrating events in Ghorman, more of Heert and Jung both trying to tamp down rebellion sentiment in their sectors and failing (purposely or not), more of Bix doing wet-work for Luthen and how that changes their relationship and their relationships with Cassian, more of how Luthen, Saw, and the rebel alliance grew apart.

using meme lingo and trying distract

Lmao even when I directly call you out you cannot fucking help yourself you fucking low IQ retard

starting with Episode 3 is superior

This is an agree to disagree type situation. I think eps 1-2 add something important to the experience of ep 3. You don't.
Feel free to use your skills to make an edit of the series that cuts away everything you feel is unnecessary.
If I had to edit something down, I'd look to eps 1-3 of season 2. If I was the show runner, I would have expanded on the wheat fields arc, and tightened up the tie fighter and wedding arcs, which went on too long.
I wouldn't touch anything else.

Holy fuck there’s a fucking blind ninja in rogue one demolishing the stormtroopers after the ghorman massacre, holy shit this is ass

Rogue One is this weird mixture of seriousness and Star Wars silliness. But it makes watching ANH after Rogue One easier. Imagine going straight from Andor to ANH lol

Yeah. 6 episodes a year instead of 3 would have been perfect.
Remember moment where the Syril accosts the daughter of the Ghorman rebel leader in an alleyway in ep 7 or 8, and she rebuffs him? It made me think that Gilroy wanted a romantic interest between them to explore Syril's gradual detachment from the Empire. She could have been someone who showed him actual humanity, as compared to Dedra. But it doesn't really happen. There are a few moments like that in season 2.
It's a testament to the strong writing that we even care about these gaps and wish they were filled in.

It's not Star Wars silliness, it's just silliness. Tony Gilroy tried his hardest to save R1 but in the end he had to work with the footage he had

Andor: The Gillroy Cut. It's like a director's cut except instead of expanding a movie a bit they expand every arc of season 2 into a full season.

Oh my god “No”

Kek

I think Partagaz and Dedra were both in the know about the death star at that point, but Dedra dug in deeper than she was allowed have.

tfw you will never be her sexual relief outlet during her days undercover

Ah so Partagaz getting death is just empires way of being “forgiving” and Dedra in Imperial Jail is “fate worse than death”. Makes sense.

I liked how the cartoonish villainry of Krennic

brought the Star Wars vibe into Andor

served as a transcendental figure of evil which figures like Partagaz and Dedra had no power to contend with.

It was another way that well-grounded normality was overturned.

I'm not sure Partagaz would have been executed or even arrested necessarily, but he chose death over the humiliation of being put on trial, maybe preserve some dignity for the ISB

Is this a star wars vehicle or something show came up with ?

Feel free to use your skills to make an edit of the series that cuts away everything you feel is unnecessary.

I did a rough cut of the first two episodes of S1 before S2 came out as a proof of concept, partly because they're pretty easily fixed simply through cuts.
S1 unfortunately has other flaws that are not so easily solved, some of which are that Luthen is too stupid to disguise himself on Ferrix, or how the drama about how Timm knew the corpos were looking for Andor makes no sense, since:

Bix told Timm that Andor was from Kenari

The show establishes that Kenari is such a backwater as to be essentially unknown

The Imperial broadcast stated that they were looking for a male from Kenari

Therefore Bix confronting Timm about how he knew the corpos were looking for Andor is retarded

Or that we see Dedra being grasped by several hands in the finale of S1, yet Syril stands her up and they walk away without incident
Despite these and others, S1 is still less flawed than S2, so I have no interest in attempting to band-aid anything else

Don’t make it hurt more than it already does

looks like a german half track.

I swear I did not speedrun but when was a trial mentioned? Krennic said “i cant protect you” and the second he said that I knew Party was dead. He chose death himself over being escorted out to be executed (or am i just making that last part up for some reason, hell he probably also would have just gone to prison if he hadn’t offed himself)

Examining the establishing shots of Chandrila and Ghorman, we see they're Earth-like worlds but we have little indication of the culture of the society. Now compare to the establishing shots of Theed and Otoh Gunga. They're otherworldly and we instantly grasp the culture.

Even when we get to ground-level on the worlds in Andor it's hard to gain real insight into their cultures. We learn all about Chandrilan arranged marriage customs, and the people on Ghorman sound French and applaud weird, but can we deeply feel the unique soul of the peoples?

I'm sure the production designers made an effort to distinguish Chandrila from Ghorman architecturally, but right at this moment I cannot visualize the differences for the life of me. I don't think Ghorman strongly *feels* like anything apart from Chandrila.

It doesn't matter how high-quality the sets look if there isn't a keen aesthetic and anthropological vision like Lucas's to back them up. They look impressive in the moment but they easily fall out of memory. It's not something you can buy. Lucas was inimitably good at this.

The visual aesthetics of Naboo doesn't just shout wealth. It communicates artistic and intellectual refinement, and harmony with the natural world. It is perfectly reflective of Padme's inner qualities.

Some ignorant people say Naboo is "just Italy", since it was filmed in Italy. It's clearly not. If this was Andor, Naboo people would speak some gibberish Italian, wear some Italian clothes and eat Pizza. Because that's what space-France Ghorman in Andor was like: speak gibberish French, wear French beanies and trench coats, eat croissants and drink coffee in the street-cafes, and they make fashion clothes. And they are also literally French resistance during WW2, in case you didn't get!

You can just hear his frustration. I really wanna know what the original Rogue One cut was like. Andor IS Gilroy's way of fixing Rogue One

Tony Gilroy drops Santiago Calatrava architecture into the Coruscant landscape even though it's completely at odds with the aesthetic of the planet. Whereas Lucas organically incorporated Calatrava-inspired architecture into the design of Utapau, where it reflects the unique qualities of the world.

What Gilroy does here doesn't even require any vision. He's just photographing the work of one of the most well-known living architects and jarringly inserting it into an environment others before him had to actually design.

He's not only unable to conceptualize environments that rise anywhere close to the standard set by Lucas, he actively degrades the few environments he inherits, because he doesn't understand what goes into it.

It feels like the prequel Coruscant exists as one of those distant backgrounds in a video game that you can never travel to.

This is true even for the locations that are set directly in the midst of the cityscape. Even given the opportunity for window views, Gilroy's tendency is to fog or obscure the alien cityscape where Lucas always opts for expansive fantasy vistas.That Gilroy has to set these scenes on Coruscant seems like an inconvenience to him that he tries to find ways to work around. I don't know what else people would expect. What do you think it means when he says he never liked Star Wars? You think he hadn't seen it? It isn't his thing.

Why do the hallways of the Senate Building in Andor suddenly look like the interiors on Kamino? At most you'd expect the intrusion of Imperial motifs. The answer is that Gilroy is drawing on the aesthetic of the new exterior architecture, but the design language is confused.

You can see the palette of the Senate chamber itself seems to have been adjusted to match. It has a strangely bright, aquatic feel to it now. I'm not sure why the transition to Empire transformed the capitol into King Triton's court.

Krennic called the whole situation an "ISB death march". That's not referring to the entire ISB being killed but how a cascade of failures has done massive damage to the ISB's reputation and basically destroyed the careers of some of it's most valuable members.
I also doubt they'd let Partagaz lounge around in his control room if he was literally awaiting execution, he'd be held prisoner.

The empire in general has a very stark white style to a lot of their stuff, I can imagine them redecorating the senate to match that unified empire image more.

Man the prequels are ugly looking movies, glad Gilroy ignored them to do his own thing

I did a rough cut of the first two episodes of S1 before S2 came out as a proof of concept, partly because they're pretty easily fixed simply through cuts.

Complete it. I'd watch it.

S1 unfortunately has other flaws that are not so easily solved, some of which are

(A) that Luthen is too stupid to disguise himself on Ferrix,

The biggest loophole in this whole show is that there are no cameras anywhere, which enables everyone to walk around without being pegged by security. But I take this as a no-cell phones conceit in cinema, a way of allowing things to happen in a way that is unrealistic today so we can have a fun story.
Luthen also shows up in the last two episodes, which I felt was out of character. At first I didn't like it, but later I appreciated how the writers made something good out of a plot contrivance that has TV written all over it. This is after all a TV show. Some contrivances will have to be tolerated.
So I agree with you, but I tolerate it.

(B) or how the drama about how Timm knew the corpos were looking for Andor makes no sense, since:

>Bix told Timm that Andor was from Kenari

>The show establishes that Kenari is such a backwater as to be essentially unknown

The Imperial broadcast stated that they were looking for a male from Kenari

>Therefore Bix confronting Timm about how he knew the corpos were looking for Andor is retarded

I think the point is that Bix wanted to know if Timm broke her trust or not. She doesn't know how the corpos know, but suspects Timm, and he all but admits it through his body language.
I don't see this as a problem.

Did you watch the original Star Wars? Yeah, you probably didn't. Show me one instance of Empire looking like Kamino. Not once in Andor did the Empire have actual Imperial aesthetics from OG Star Wars. That's because Gilroy doesn't understand Star Wars, let alone its design language.

Sister or no, Cassian never came across in this show as a character driven by a savior complex. It's not something that was strongly communicated to be driving his actions. Flashing back to his sister for a few seconds in the last episode substitutes for strong character writing.

In many of these cases, we can make direct comparisons to the source material. Does Andor ever rise to the level of the prequels' depiction of Anakin's obsession with saving his mother? Does telling that story through a bunch of generic flashbacks make as much of an impact?

A major reason I was so taken aback by Andor is because its writing--I mean basic story and plot--was so genuinely amateurish. Flashbacks are a valid tool but one that is often abused by lazy writers. The way Andor relies on them for its character writing is a textbook example.

Throughout the show there are scenes where Andor is alternately reluctant and then willing to be part of the Rebellion, but the way they're written he may as well just be shouting "I'M RELUCTANT", "OK NOW I'M WILLING." Character motivations are a huge weakness of this show.

(C) Or that we see Dedra being grasped by several hands in the finale of S1, yet Syril stands her up and they walk away without incident

The contrivance of bringing everyone together for the last two episodes was unrealistic but effective. It enabled the show to do a lot with a little. It is an imperfection, but a tolerable one.
Contrast this with the second season of Severance, which had to write itself out of the incredible conclusion of season one, with all the innies doing something in outie world. The whole season felt weighed down by the decision to not follow through on that ending and to force by hook or by crook to bring the band back together. The worst example of this is how they delayed bringing back one character, didn't really let her talk much, and then only in the penultimate episode did she say anything about her experience on the outside, but without any consequences.
That's really bad writing, where it's all seams, and is intolerable. IMO.
Andor isn't like that. There are seams, but they are tolerable. Or, rather, I invite you to tolerate them.
So ending the show with a romantic twist between Dedra and Syril is contrived, but I tolerated it as interesting character development given the tolerable contrivance of bringing them all together in the first place.
If your issue is that she goes from being grabbed by many hands to being led by Syril

1) Just edit out the many hands. I don't see how this is a deal breaker for an editor.

2) Syril is dressed as a local, has a gun, and might have, though we don't see it, told them that he'll stuff her away somewhere. We don't see that, but it's a plausible read.

Blandor:
4m40s scene. Cassian dumps a bunch of exposition about the Death Star that we already know and won't pay off in this show's narrative. They argue for 2 minutes about Luthen's trustworthiness. Bail Organa monologues about all the reasons Luthen is untrustworthy.

Nothing of strong narrative interest or importance is happening in this scene! The dialogue isn't particularly scintillating, and the character dynamics have to do with issues we've litigated a gazillion times already. Why are we burning time like this in the last episode?

The Phantom Menace:
3m30s scene. We establish the slave transmitters, the lack of Republic presence, explain podracing, Jedi reflexes, Qui-Gon reveals he's a Jedi, his death is foreshadowed, Anakin reveals his dream to be a Jedi, Qui-Gon's suspicions become apparent, and we set up the gambling plan.

It is very difficult to do all this exposition and character development in a 3m30s scene in a way that seems natural and can also hold an audience's interest. Lucas is an extremely skilled screenwriter in this regard. He knows exactly what he intends to do in every scene. People focus a lot on what they perceive to be clunky dialogue and miss how superhumanly keyed in Lucas has to be on the extremely complex mix of themes, character, plot, and exposition that has to happen at a very rapid pace in almost every scene. I think the cleverest trick in this scene is the way we transition from the talk about slave transmitters and anti-slavery laws directly to podracing--Anakin is visibly embarrassed by the slave talk and decides to change the subject to something more flattering.

I mean he didn't, there's visual nods to the prequels in andor. One thing I remember noticing is how similar the design of the drop ships corporate security uses to come down to morlana is to the clone trooper transport ships. The drop ships are smaller and look cheaper and more minimal, but they have the same general shape with the engines and wings on the butt.
Also the thing that makes the prequels look like shit is the quality of the special effects, the actual designs were pretty great for the most part

part 3

Despite these and others, S1 is still less flawed than S2, so I have no interest in attempting to band-aid anything else

I think you see flaws where a capable editor would see opportunities. Part of reading and experiencing a film is choosing how to edit it in mind. You seem determined to get the worst edit so you can complain about it. I have plausible counter edits that make the show work, and I don't think I need many of them.

One is a boilerplate flowery political speech which boils down to "Lies are bad." The other is still being talked about 20 years later because it features two incredibly original characters (Jar Jar and Palpatine) delivering immortal lines that only one man could write.

Are you really telling me that when we let truth go by the wayside, we cede the narrative to whichever person yells the loudest? Wow, I've never heard it put quite that way before. These writers are incredible...This is literally just regurgitating language and rhetoric that you'd have to be a zombie not to have absorbed in some fashion over the past 10 years. Then they put it in the Star Wars show so you'd clap. It's just not original! There should be more than this.

And to be clear, the AOTC scene includes basic lines like: "I love democracy. I love the Republic." Yet everyone can hear these lines in their head! That's proof of how well-constructed the scene is on a *cinematic* basis. Neither scene is great literature, but one thinks it is! These could be perfectly acceptable lines for the purpose of supporting a cinematic narrative, but everyone involved obviously believes this writing is itself the accomplishment. But here I can say objectively, it is neither saying anything new nor saying it in an innovative way.

So where am I left with this speech as the centerpiece and, really, only matter of real interest in the episode? If I'm not impressed by the literary qualities of the writing, then I have little else to cling onto aside from how terribly Important it all is.

Or you could compare it to the Senate scene in Episode I. There's an ongoing atrocity on Naboo, and the Trade Federation is lying about it and manipulating procedure to stall action. So the previously docile Queen becomes angry and makes a shocking declaration.

It's a much shorter scene but there are actually more dynamics at play: There's not just the activation of the Queen. There's the betrayal of an ally, Valorum's impotent frustration and resigned defeat, Palpatine whispering in the Queen's ear and cannily watching events unfold. And all this serves to directly advance the plot and propel us to the third act where the Queen returns to Naboo to finally fight the Federation on her own terms. It covers a lot of the same thematic territory—plus more—but it's a much tighter and more satisfying story.

I wonder what level of cope you have to be on to pretend the prequels have value

According to Tony Gilroy, the Season 1 prison arc of Andor is an allegory for religious faith. Kino Loy's journey is about realizing that "[t]here is no God." He starts out believing "he will get out...He will 'go to heaven.'" Says Gilroy: "And, uh, sorry, not happening." In another interview, Gilroy explains his view that religious faith "is pretty much about being afraid to die." That's the essence of it and so it's a good allegory for Kino Loy's belief, which is of course a delusion motivated by fear.

You might argue that this is just a representation of maladaptive faith, but as Gilroy himself points out this is one of the only substantive explorations of religion on the show. (S2 concedes that the vaguely spiritual granola homeopath your girlfriend drags you to is alright.)

You might also make comparisons to OMM from THX 1138. But the perversion of OMM is that it is the state wearing an image of the face of God, conferring upon THX "the blessings of the masses" and declaring that THX was "created in the image of man" and thus "divine."

This is all tied up with Gilroy's dislike of Star Wars and his inability to express romantic ideas or conceive of worlds beyond the one he knows. It's just a difference in personality and disposition. Lucas feels intuitively the expansiveness of the universe and Gilroy doesn't.

He isn't pathetic nor a loser. He always stood by his values. He was exploited but never lost his what he believed in.

It could all be practical it still is a dull movie without much use of color, with no thought given to the blocking, and bizarrely crowded backgrounds and images where they eye is drawn all over the place with no rhyme or reason

Yet everyone can hear these lines in their head!

I don't. I'm not a prequel fan.
People like different things. Some people love and admire and look up to Jar Jar Binks. Some people like Andor. Some people can do both.

From a purely brand point of view, it's good for Star Wars to have a show that some people are passionate about. Nobody is stopping you from watching 25+ year old movies, or eagerly anticipating Mandalorian and Grogu.

Where does all the water come from? Where does it go?

You can stop pretending you know anything about cinematography anon.

Not seen the show, but nobody cares about retcons if they change shit for the better.

What's cinematography?

Andor didn’t save rouge one, I’m one hour in and I’m so bored, literally anything good about this film is only due to the show

Lying, retarded trandor shill. Any single frame of the prequels looks infinitely better than the entirety of Andor.

What was the point of this character?

Wilmon is one of many characters who is ill-defined even on the basic level of an archetype. I guess he's The Kid. But why was he huffing gas fumes with Saw Gerrera? I guess that was a casualty of the truncated seasons. I bet that would have been a fun arc. It's funny how he shows up on Yavin later and they're like, "Ah yeah, the gang's back together again!" I can barely remember the relationship Bix and Cassian have to this kid. I felt more when Tarpals and Jar Jar reunited in The Clone Wars. Now there's a history.

R1 doesn't need saving. It's a Star Wars movie, and a good one, unlike blandor.

There isn't a strong character-based reason for any of the radical shifts in Syril's outlook--especially given how much screentime has been devoted to the character over two seasons. In this episode you can even see the writers throw up their hands and land on "He's confused."

I actually like the actor and I think he's done his best to bring more to the character than is actually on the page. But his character arc makes as much sense and is about as strongly supported as Bix's or Cassian's--which is to say, not very.

Obviously I understand the stock character arc he's being put through. But it all ends in clichés like Syril stumbling in a daze as he witnesses a massacre unfold around him in slow motion. Stuff like this is as much justification as we get, and it's not original or interesting.

The massacre itself unfolds and is shot in a very boring, standard way. There's no mastery of tonal montage as in the Order 66 sequence. We spend more time with the recurring Ghorman characters here than with the Jedi in that sequence, but I couldn't care less about the Ghormans.

One problem is that at no point is Syril's P.O.V. taken seriously. His belief in law & order is portrayed as shallow and childish and totally self-serving. He's capable of rationalizing anything to suit his ego. So why exactly is he so affected by the events on Ghorman?

There's certainly nothing in his character that makes his extreme, physically violent reactions in this episode make dramatic sense. He remains a caricature trapped in a morality play that lacks real depth but which many critics have convinced themselves is politically important.

George Lucas' Star Wars and Blandor are completely incompatible. Among the sacrifices that are on Luke's shoulders now are all the people Luthen supposedly had to murder to make Yavin possible. But in ANH Yavin represents life & friendship & loyalty, contra the Death Star's cynical utilitarianism. This goes beyond whether the show is good or bad. If you concede that Andor is operating outside of the idealistic fairy tale context of the films, it makes no sense to integrate one with the other. They're not just different stylistically, they express different worldviews. It's not that every single Rebel was necessarily a nice guy that never did anything wrong. I'm saying I don't think the foundation of the Rebel Alliance should be so cynical. War is messy. Stabbing your comrades in the back is depravity that facilitates the failure of revolutions, not success. Blandor doesn't do a good job exploring the actual moral quandaries at the core of any real rebellion. Instead it contrives a bunch of situations where characters like Luthen are forced by the logic of the plot to commit perverse acts designed to shock the viewer.

I clapped when I saw the AT-ST and darth vader too

The biggest loophole in this whole show is that there are no cameras anywhere, which enables everyone to walk around without being pegged by security. But I take this as a no-cell phones conceit in cinema, a way of allowing things to happen in a way that is unrealistic today so we can have a fun story.

Luthen not disguising himself is stupid for many additional reasons even if we sensibly accept that there aren't cameras everywhere. Why run the risk of being recognized, or of being observed buying contraband for which possession is a capital offense? Or how Vel asks him later if they need to have Andor disposed of, because "he's seen their faces", an entirely avoidable state of affairs?

suspects Timm, and he all but admits it through his body language. I don't see this as a problem.

But it obviously IS a problem, because the natural response to 'How would you know the corpos are looking for Andor?' is exactly what I laid out. Timm simply telling that part of the truth perfectly covers his ass: "YOU told me he was from Kenari! Do you see any OTHER Kenari men around here? I've never even HEARD of another one!"

Plot and dialogue that rely on repeated, unforced stupidities by people who should know better is not acceptable, let alone 'good'

He's the quintessential rebel that got radicalized by rethoric instead of personal loss. Which is the most common type of rebel.

RLM drone. Opinion discarded.

He's the quintessential rebel that got radicalized by rethoric instead of personal loss.

Are you trolling? He was "radicalized" because they tortured and hanged his dad in S1. Did you forget it's the same kid that made the pipe bomb at the end of S1? Blandor fags confirmed for not paying attention to their own show.

Do you think none of the dudes on the entire Death Star were friends?

Notice how nice this thread was until the copy pasting Prequel faggot showed up?

that’s how it is with all women anon. There are some that act like brats, just so you put them in their place. It can be annoying for sure, but you put up with it for what happens in the bedroom.

Perhaps just these two dudes.

Go somewhere else if you want to shit on Rogue One 24 hours a day. We don't need the same thread with the same replies posted here every hour.

There is more creativity in this picture than the entirety of blandor, by the way. Eopie, pod races, Jar Jar. All pure magic compared to the mundane, dull slop that is blandor.

Andor fans are perplexed that Han Solo would receive a medal for returning to help his friend, when we now know that heroes like Luthen did all the real work that allowed the Rebellion to succeed.

For all the claims that Andor is more grown-up and realistic than the original Star Wars films, it has to be pointed out that defeating the regime in major engagements is closer to how real rebellions are won than killing your bravest and most loyal allies.

These situations where characters have to coldly kill their own guys or the rebellion is doomed are highly contrived for dramatic purposes. That's not how things actually work. It isn't depicting anything meaningfully real. It is less accurate than the pew-pew comic book version.

Yes, the theme of Andor is that rebellions depend on people being willing to do dirty work like this. But that isn't even true. Successful rebellions don't require the murder of loyal informants. It's just attributing contemptible depravity to the Rebel Alliance for no reason.

Syril's mom being Like That made Syril the most relatable character in star wars, and it's not even close. He's just like me fr fr.

Gilmore said his writing followed the talents of his actors. He threw this kid onto the ship, and then had to decide what to do with him. Kind of like Kleya's actor stood out, so he wrote episodes for her. Believe that if you want to.

Wilmon is one of many characters who is ill-defined even on the basic level of an archetype. I guess he's The Kid.

He threw the pipe bomb that destroyed the imperial outpost in Ferrix. He's a dangerous technical introvert who wants revenge for what was done to his father.

But why was he huffing gas fumes with Saw Gerrera?

This is an interesting question. The scene allows us to learn more about Saw. It establishes that he was a slave worker in terribly dangerous conditions. One of those conditions was the rhydo, a dangerous and intoxicating gas, which leaked one day, causing the other workers to panic and flee. Saw, out of curiosity, chose to breathe in the gas. That experience turned him into a revolutionary. It made him "crazy" but also fearless. Saw inspires Wilmon to overcome the cautious mindset of an engineer, and embrace a a revolutionary consciousness that lives in the moment and embraces the possibility of certain death in revolution.

I can barely remember the relationship Bix and Cassian have to this kid.

He's the son of an important shop keeper in Ferrix who was loyal to Bix and Cassian. They lived underground together on the wheat planet.

These episodes are like 30 minutes if you skip the intro and credits. If watching and hour and a half longer is too much for you then refill your adderal perscription.

Empire never uses the obvious propaganda line that le rebels are just re-badged CIS separatists

'Of course they have a bug up their ass about Sheeves centralization of power. That's what defeated their last campaign!'

God I love dynamic natural writing

Would be too easy to fact check as wrong, even if Sheev controls the media it's too obvious that the seperatists and rebels are not the same planets and people.

Although to be fair somehow Russians fell for the "Ukrainians are Nazis" nonsense, even though Zelensky is a literal jew

I love how he can't even look at her. Complete disgust. She's contemptable and deserves incarceration.

I want to see Bix nood

She's gushing

I think she knows she missed out on the best sex of her life because Syril left instead of bending her over the desk when he strangled her.

12 year old tranny faggot detected!!

Go fuck yurself and yur faggot tranny show 12 year old piece of shit

You're really obsessed with the Timm subplot. Here's how it unfolded.

Wilmon's dad informs Bix that corpos are looking for Cassian, and that a bulletin alerting for a "male kenari resident" was sent out the night before

Bix says "someone ratted him out"

Bix goes to leave because "I need to go find [Cassian]," and Timm tries to stop her.

Timm: "Don't."

Bix: "Don't what?"

Timm: "He can take care of himself."

Bix: "Who? How do you know who we're talking about?"

Timm looks sheepish.

Bix: "Did I ever tell you that Cassian was born on Kenari?"

Timm mumbles his denial.

Bix: "I do. I remember."

Bix: "How could you? I can't believe you'd do that."

Timm doesn't deny it.

Bix leaves.

You're clearly confused about Bix asking Timm "Who? How do you know who we're talking about?" Your complaint is that since Timm knows, and could cite the bulletin from the the night before, he can honestly say "Cassian," but that he doesn't because it's bad writing. It shows that the writers can't keep track of the knowledge the characters have.
Here's a plausible reason why he didn't say Cassian: because he's trying to avoid the implication that he knows as much as he does about what is going on *because* he's the one who ratted Cassian out. In order for him to try to stop Bix from leaving with "He can take care of himself" he has to know the conversation is about Cassian. But If he knows the conversation is about Cassian because he heard about the bulletin the night before, that means he didn't tell Bix what was happening. Either way, Timm knows he's caught, so he says nothing and is caught anyway.
Andor is well written and you mistake your inability to understand it as problems with the writing.

Make Rey evil and have Bix kid bring balance to the Force

if anything the whole Star Wars lore is more Northern Ireland than Ukraine related

balance to the force

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Make Rey evil and have her be gunned down in the streets like a dog by regular people with blasters and body armor.

entire year of blueballs

pol buzzword

It's been a reddit/twitter buzzword for 2-5 years.
It's an affirmation to the reader that the writer has the correct opinion. A defensive signal that says "Don't shoot, I'm on your side!" out of fear for being eaten alive.
One wonders why, as no-one who uses it has a delinquent's opinion, but it becomes understandable when you notice the circles they frequent do in fact jump down anyone's throat if they don't have the right opinion, because you cannot get inside the circle without learning to prostrate.

I smell AI

yfw ryan gosling is bix's child and the newest prophesied jedi

we have a grovelling opportunist true believer waking up to the harsh reality of what he's been involved in, finally asserting himself as an independent person capable of making his own choices.

Why is it when you fall for the badguys propaganda, you're a mindless drone, but when you fall for the goodguys propaganda, you're a free thinker in control of your destiny?

Because the good guys aren't a space wizard using the deep state to build the Planetfucker 3000

Making Rey evil would be the only way to make her remotely interesting

they should have focused on building a ghorman rebellion on this season, instead they used lonnie's access to dedra's computer when they could have used the current ghorman opposition to show how krennic was there to steal minerals, its such a lazy copout especially with how good season one was, and they certainly showed that they can write good subplots and abandon them, such as the kino loy plot which imho is the best subplot in both seasons, i could watch an entire show based on the prison system of the andoverse, there's something deeply sympathetic about seeing them find out that the empire was never going to let them go

Why is it when a pawn finds out he's a pawn he becomes a free thinker and controls his destiny?

Why aren't the people genociding a planet considered the good guys?

It was masterpiece and the only good Star Wars since Revenge of the Sith. We'll have to wait another +25 years to witness SW this good again.

And it even shits all over Revenge of The Sith honestly, although I like that movie but it has a lot of awful writing and sillyness in it

she's literally a palpatine who, when she killed palpatine, he said his spirit would pass into her and then the movie ends without that plot plot being meaningfully addressed
they have it set up plausibly enough for rey to become a sith, the only problem is the type of performance you get out of daisy ridley
they either need to vader her body or turn her into some sort of evil crone, she'd need some type of rizz as a villain

He's such a diva.

She's literally my mum and I'm literally Syril. It's not even funny. Where's my dominant autist gf?

Blandor is utterly soulless dogshit. It appeals only to teenage midwits from letterboxd and twitter film crowd, who think Nolan, Villeneuve and Eggers are the hottest shit ever, but something actually complex and designed to be thought provoking and requiring effort, like Tarkovsky, Bergman, Godard, Eisenstein and other actual filmmakers are "boring". So they settle for that kind of "serious" and "adult" capeshit — it's still capeshit, but, you see, it's kinda "serious", "dark" and "adult", even though it is fundamentally set in the universe of silly super people wearing spandex suits and capes, based on the literal children's media. The perversion and subversion of said children's media seems "smart" to them. But in reality, it is inferior to both. It is nothing but joyless, pretentious, ugly drivel that adds absolutely nothing in terms of narrative or themes, and only exploits the name of the IP in order to promote the author's unnecessary, obnoxious "take" on what he considers fundamentally below them. Utterly irrelevant, pointless, needless story, without a single creative bone in its body. It's revolting. All you need is characters talking constantly without actually saying anything, and a bunch of forced, cringe, emmy bait monologues to make midwits lose their shit. Embarrassing.

Actual Star Wars has infinitely more substance and depth than any culturally irrelevant thing Disney and/or (heh) Tony Gilroy have come up with in their careers.

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Stalest pasta ITT

The Ghorman stuff was on par with the prison episodes. I only wish we got more insight on ghorman local politics.

Star Wars is a Flash Gordon-inspired serial adventure for families—a mythological fairy tale, distilled into a space opera format. It has a sense of wide-eyed wonder, the aliens, the goofy music, the silly robots, the big space battles, and yes, the lightsabers, the Force, the princesses, the desert shaman, the evil samurai guy in all black choking people with his mind, Sergio Leone-inspired space cowboys and pirates, the humor, the charm, the goofiness, the actual spirit of an adventure film made for families. Andor is none of that. It is the opposite of that. It is the antithesis of that. It's a generic sci-fi NBC drama in space london. It has nothing of Star Wars, other than the occasional usage of legacy memorabilia, such as Stormtroopers, TIE-Fighters, etc. — and even those feel grossly out of place when seen next to extremely generic, "grounded" and bland original designs of the show, such as the nigger with AK in the woods. Andor is "Star Wars" made by r/atheism. It is especially evident when it tries so, so hard to be "adult", that it becomes embarrassing. "Look! We have character saying SHIT! Now THAT'S MATURE AND SUBVERSIVE! LOOK! WE HAVE A BROTHEL! LOOK! THE CHARACTERS IMPLIED TO HAVE SEX, LOL!" Really made me cringe. Midwit show made by a midwit for midwits, who are embarrassed to watch family entertainment, hence they need it to be subverted, molested, corrupted, to fit their bitter, cynical minds.

That is a Nazi aesthetic

I don't know how I can go back to star wars now, broskis. Andor is just... so good. The rest of star wars banal poorly written kiddie shit pales in comparison.

Rouge One and Andor are literally the best Star Wars. Finally, Star Wars for adults that is not embarrassing to watch. Everything else is fucking embarrassing. Honestly, go watch A New Hope, or even Empire Strikes Back - dogshit dialogue, hokey acting, shit action, goofy ass cringe shit all around, quips. Nothing on the level of Stellan Skarsgard or Andy Serkis. Nothing like impeccable Gilroy's tone and atmosphere. Star Wars is a dead fossil, and it needs to be rebooted. And Tony Gilroy is the right man. Everything else is fucking dogshit and terrible. You know I am right.

Let Gilroy remake the original trilogy and go from there.
Decanonize everything else except Andor and Rogue One.
Seriously, who wants this dumb shit?
Stupid ass MCU quipping teenagers taking down the Empire? A farmer boy? Fucking retarded kiddie garbage nonsense.
KK can redeem herself if she fires everyone except Gilroy and his team and reboots Star Wars to proper standards (such as Rogue One and Andor).

Hereby, I declare official Star Wars canon for mature sophisticated adults with taste:
Andor
Rogue One

Just set the plot 30 years in the future and let Rey be portrayed by some hot Milf

I still don't get why the yavin rebels hated Chernobyl man so much. The whole yavin arc felt forced. One episode the rebels are scraping by and are either doing covert shit with Luthen or being petty bandits with Saw and the other they got a full base with presumably tens of thousands of people in an organized militia.

There should be an Andor scholarship, perhaps a university even, helmed by master professor Tony Gilroy.

For me the Ghorman Massacre was above the Prison episode. It just hits too close to reality. The final distress call is still haunting me. It's like the final broadcast of the free Hungarian Radio before the Soviets rolled in

In Rouge One Galen Erso sends the pilot guy with a message about Death Star, so ultimately the intel Lonny gave Luthen wasn't that important to begin with, unless I'm not seeing something

Also why the hell didn't Dedra send back the mail she wasn's even supposed to have?

I know he just talks that way, but my first impression was that he was trying to outgruff Skarsgård at a fraction of his age

all those fags are itt. bleak

Andor Ep. 9 is very similar to an episode of The Clone Wars in which Padme has to overcome violent intimidation tactics to make a speech to the Senate in place of Bail Organa. It's not the greatest speech ever written either, but TCW has the benefit of being more representational. Because TCW can't rely on the cachet of being a gritty prestige drama for adults, the episode has to develop a real plot in which exciting incidents occur to advance it forward. It contains the same essential thematic content as Andor Ep. 9 but is able to cover it in 22 minutes. All that time didn't need to be spent on stuff like Cassian "refusing the call" for the nth time, Mon discovering her aide works for Luthen, various people standing around talking about the details of Mon's extraction (which doesn't even end up being interesting). It's all filler. I also found it strange how the climax of Mon's speech was her openly naming Emperor Palpatine, a character who is dramatically inconsequential to this show's narrative even as an offscreen presence. His name doesn't mean anything in this story. And there's something similar going on in the reactions as with a previous episode:

Wow, she said 'rape'!

Wow, she said 'genocide'!

Regardless of the merits of what they're taken to signify, people are blatantly clapping like seals at the invocation of shibboleths. People are just being pandered to, and they don't care if the message is even being communicated in an effective or interesting way. "Media literacy" means being able to identify all the contemporary political references like an Easter egg in a Marvel movie.

You can't just take galaxy shattering information by a single guy and take it at face value. That was like the entire conflict of Rogue One. Andor at the beginning of Rogue One already knew the name Galen Erso, so he had to have some information before meeting the informant. Andor just "changes" this in that Andor is confirming information the Rebels didn't want to believe. He now has two separate sources confirming the story

I still don't get why the yavin rebels hated Chernobyl man so much.

He wouldn't play by their rules, and he had dirt on each and every one of them. Most if not all had been played/used by him at some point, like when he tried to make Saw meet with Kreeger in S1 then flipped it on him to shop Kreeger to cover for Lonni. Luthen's willingness to remove pieces from the board without anyone's say-so also didn't sit well with people accustomed to having power and being listened to. Imagine a guy like General Draven trying to give Luthen orders.

they should have focused on building a ghorman rebellion on this season, instead they used lonnie's access to dedra's computer when they could have used the current ghorman opposition to show how krennic was there to steal minerals, its such a lazy copout

Lonnie told Luthen about Ghorman (ep 4), but didn't at that time know what was going on. All he knew was that Dedra was running Ghorman and that it was top secret. Luthen decided to use Cassian, Vel, and Cinta to start an armed resistance there, hoping to turn Ghorman to the Rebellion.
Later, Lonni meets Luthen. Lonni mentions he's "burned" and can't return to the ISB. He explains:

Lonni: "I have had Dedra Meero's code cert [password] for a year now. Total access. Her private storage. I knew if I told you, you'd push me to use it. But if she's on to you... It had to be done."

Luthen: "You went into her files?"

Lonni: "I had a two-hour window."

Luthen: "And you still don't know if she's coming after me or not?"

Lonn: "I didn't have time."

So

1. He had Deedra's password for a year.

2. He never told Luthen because he was afraid he would be pressued to use it.

3. He never used it because if he used it, he would be caught ("burned")

4. He decided to use it when he caught wind that Luthen was in danger.

So the earliest he could have used the password was in episode 7, not 4. But he didn't use it for the reasons outlined. It's not a "lazy copout" but entirely cogently explained in the dialog.

Of course, the writers could have made it so using the password wasn't dangerous to Lonni, and give it to him in episode 4 so he could reveal the whole Death Star plot to Luthen when they met.
But that would have made the show go faster than it already was, which would have made it worse. It would also feel like a deus ex machina (Lonni saves the day), rather than gradual developments at the ISB.

Built for clone cock

It's like the final broadcast of the free Hungarian Radio before the Soviets rolled in

Nice allegory, that's the first time I've seen that mentioned anywhere since Chess.

You're a schizo, but I agree. Mommythma's speech subplot was such a dumb one.
Firstly, nobody would give a shit if she called palpy out. I mean, she'd definitely get killed cause she hurt palpatine's feefees but she's completely impotent. People won't riot to the streets cause she said palpatine lied with no proof to back it up, or even with proof, nobody'd give a shit either way.
Just like irl.

But If he knows the conversation is about Cassian because he heard about the bulletin the night before, that means he didn't tell Bix what was happening. Either way, Timm knows he's caught, so he says nothing and is caught anyway.

Andor is well written and you mistake your inability to understand it as problems with the writing.

Nope, you're just injecting a retarded assumption because you've got a predetermined conclusion such that no amount of evidence or reasoning will dissuade you
Timm is in no way obligated to have told Bix, may not have had the opportunity to do so in any case, and he doesn't like Cassian, viewing him as a threat and a problem
"This isn't our problem and I'll be damned if I'm going to let us get dragged into the consequences of a double murder" is a perfectly reasonable response
Timm's self-incrimination is fucking stupid and there's no way to dance around it

Watching andod just makes Jyn look even more like a spoilt whiny cunt

crushing antisemitic revolts spurred on by the CIA is bad

Gilroy is not a comrade

youtu.be/BXaCwlXJc3E?si=_RHYMX9HXy9YQmQ-
I mean Gilroy HAS had to be inspired by this, right?

timeskip

timeskip

timeskip

garbage

i am saying that the ghormans should have found the death star by themselves, linking back to galen erso, we would have had an entire season of death star appearances instead we got a political hush hush of reappearances, i understand they didn't have the budget to hire more actors while they wanted to keep the ones they have on a payroll

Cringiest show I’ve seen in years with an even cringier fanbase

He isn't. He makes very clear in interviews that Andor is not in support of communism or in support of a single revolutionary movement but generally analyzes how revolutions and oppression in general work and puts it into the story

This. Rick & Morty tier.

Yeah that's like the one aspect of rogue one that gets worse if you have the context of andor, the fact that jyn is the protagonist and has to be treated as very important

The discourse around this show is extremely gay. But is it actually good? I don't really like the other Disney Star Wars shit.

It’s actually good yeah, s2 first arc sucks but apart from that shows consistently good with highs that rival empire strikes back

depends on what it is you're looking for in a show - it treats itself seriously and realistically, like portraying that there are consequences and that they matter and that they really are in a rebellion to try to overthrow a fascist government and nothing about that is going to be pretty or smooth

It reminds me of the polytechnic massacre in greece in the 70's, down to the radio broadcast. A lot of the dirty tricks the empire does like putting rookie riot cops up front to fuck up and make things escalate before sending in the heavy artillery is super accurate to how demonstrations turn to shit irl. Only they use plainclothes cops to start the violence instead of snipers.

t. Gayreek

Yeah, it's actually and unironically very good

Cringe, soulless, bland, ugly, dull, pretentious idpol that has nothing in common with Star Wars stylistically, tonally, aesthetically, spiritually. Mady by the guy who openly proclaimed he loathes SW and never had any reverence for it.

most of star wars is for kids anon

Timm is in no way obligated to have told Bix

Timm knows Bix is close to Cassian and would want to know if there's a corpo bulletin looking for a Kenari male. But Timm doesn't say anything to Bix. That automatically throws suspicion on Timm. I say the writing is good because it shows Timm was caught in a double bind and failed to find a convincing lie.
Your take is that Timm doesn't owe Bix anything. Timm is Bix's boyfriend. So your argument is that Bix can't expect Timm, her boyfriend, to provide her with crucial information that could protect her friend Cassian, because he's not obligated to do so.
My interpretation takes into account Timm's emotional state, his confusion at being confronted by the unfolding situation, and his inability to act deftly enough to avoid the implications of his actions (interjecting).
Your interpretation is that Timm should act like a selfish boyfriend getting rid of a rival, who feels absolutely nothing in an unfolding high tension situation where he is morally implicated, and can spin a lie up at a moment's notice, and writing any other way is proof that the writers of Andor are "fucking stupid".
I think your version of Timm

doesn't exist except in your head

is unrealistic

I think the realized version of Timm is human, comprehensible, and fits into the story of Andor, showing us how people can become trapped by the consequences of complex political developments. Through a minor character, Timm is a tragic figure because his petty disagreement with Cassian leads to harm to Bix (which he didn't want) and his own death when he tries to save her.
Your version of Timm is just a major asshole.

It is unironically top tier Kino

Pulling the uno reverse card on a woman that thought she was the boss is hot. It's really just that simple.

The show as originally supposed to be 5 seasons, or could have been. Due to budgetary constraints owing to the collapse of confidence in streaming services, season 2 was to be the last. They did what they could with the budget they have.
There are a lot of things I would have liked to see, and the whole seasons feels a bit rushed. But there is a lot to like and I'm glad we got it, and S01+S02 is Breaking Bad level of goodness.

i am saying that the ghormans should have found the death star by themselves

How would they have found it by themselves? For arc 2 (eps 4-6) they barely understood the significance of the armory that was being built, much less the mining, much less the implications of the mining (the Death Star). Maybe in a 5 season show, but not a 2 season show.

ywn hook up with Mon when she's so depressed and drunk she'll let you hit

Why live, man.

sounds pretty gay there satan

Why was Andor writing so much better than Rogue One's? I went a rewatched R1 after this and my memory of 90% of that movie being garbage right up until the final battle didn't change from a rewatch.

I say the writing is good because it shows Timm was caught in a double bind and failed to find a convincing lie.

He literally didn't have to say anything at all. He could also have said, for example, "Everyone's heard about the broadcast, was I supposed to drop everything and rush to you immediately about it? None of this has to do with me, and Cassian can take care of himself"
You're trying desperately to rationalize poor writing. It's clear how this went, as so much writing does, in Andor and elsewhere:

There's a scene and set of events that I insist on having

I don't care how badly I have to contort logic to get there, because those scenes are happening no matter what

It's a lot like you, really, trying to justify the unjustifiable

It's actually not budget. At least not entirely. The plan was always to seamlessly end in Rogue One and it's amazing enough that Diego Luna doesnt look a day older than 10 years ago, but add another 10 years and it would become too immersion breaking. Thats the reason Tony and Diego gave why they scrapped the idea of doing 5 seasons

I still can't believe that we got a fucking Mon Mothma dancing scene and that it's kino and not cringe. This show is such an anomaly

Rogue One raw cut was absolute trash. Like straight up Sequel level trash. Tony Gilroy was specifically brought in to fix the mess. But he could only do so much. See

andor was allowed to be a lot more mature than rogue one, rogue one was still dumbed down for mass appeal to make it safe enough for random little kids to watch without parents having to have some kind of talk with their kids to explain something

Okay, I get it. You're just shitposting and I'm wasting my time replying to you.

He literally didn't have to say anything at all

First you said he should have said he knew it was Cassian because Bix told him in the past. Now you say he shouldn't have said anything at all.
As a matter of fact he didn't say anything, which is why she concluded he was guilty. So I guess that means you like the writing.

That's not the problem of Rogue One. Gilroy cut out a lot of it but it suffered a lot from woke-itis of the mid 2010s. Originally Jyn was going to be even more annoying ("I rebel")
What I really liked about the Rogue One rewtach after Andor is that it changed a few scenes to fix this. Like the introduction scene of Jyn where that Rebel guy lists all her crimes which originally was meant to introduce her as this rebel badass is now an open threat and straight up blackmail. Like it's not "Damn you are a badass rebel, terrorist, thief spy at the ripe age of 16" but rather "look at all the shit you are going to imprisoned for if we hand you out to the Empire if you don't do what I say"

Only worthwhile star wars content disney has made. Maybe you can add the fallen order games to that too I guess.

I was hoping we'd get more of her relationship with her husband but not enough time I guess.

I was wondering more what happened with the kid, guess she’s just indebted to a mob boss now she happens

close enough

It's actually not budget.

I've read about this in the trades. The bottom fell out of streaming and the grandiose budgets were all on the chopping block. Disney wanted to reduce the budget going forward. Gilroy and Luna argued for one last season at the original full budget, to do it right or not at all. They were ready to walk away. Disney accepted their offer.
If you think that's not true, take it up with Gilroy and Luna since this is the story they're telling in the trades.

So why was Bix's kid white?

Yeah that'd be nice too, although after the "I wish you were drunk" line I'm not sure I could see their relationship being anything other than cold without at least a full season's worth of character development.

Damn

The point is, there are multiple ways this could have gone, none of which implicate him. You're introducing variants and hypotheticals, and getting mad when I address variants and hypotheticals. Accusing me of trolling when you fail to understand this isn't doing you any favors
These various other versions don't involve, as the actual show does, him mumbling and betraying himself when telling the truth decidedly does not implicate him

because they want the next star wars protagonist chosen one to be white

Andor might get disintegrated but at least he got to creampie that.

The force bleaches.
But also babies can take a while to grow into their natural pigment sometimes.

No I know this. This is exactly what happened. But that is all about the budget of season 2. Reducing it from 5 to 2 season was entirely their idea though

There's room for more than one type of story in the Star Wars universe, anon. You can enjoy both the movies and Andor. They're both trying to do different things, but that's ok.

You're introducing variants and hypotheticals

You're the one introducing a variant, the hypothetical where things go your way so that (according to you) the writing doesn't suck.
You refuse to look in detail at the way it was actually written and try to understand it. The writing doesn't suck.
Worse, you flip flop in your requirements

he should say he knew cassian

he doesn't need to say anything

And then blame me

you're inventing hypotheticals

Just accept that you're too stupid to understand Andor and go back to the Clone Wars cartoon and Asoka.

The Clone Wars is one of the most overrated pieces of media of all time. It shits all over the established lore from the prequel trilogy.

So your big idea is that they decided not to do 5 seasons because Diego Luna would look too old when they completed it.
I guess you've never heard of de-aging software.
I can't believe how stupid people are in this thread.

can't understand dialog

can't understand character development

didn't read the articles in the trades

reposting 20 year old prequel pasta

I'm just glad to be here bumping a thread about Andor, one of the best TV shows ever.

We were halfway through shooting season 1, coming through Covid, and the monumental size of the show, the effort, and everything else was just dawning on us, We realized that I didn’t have enough calories to do it, and Diego’s face couldn’t take the timing, because it just takes too long to make it. We were saved by Disney saying, ‘Okay, if you guys can figure out a way to do it, we’re into it.’
watchinamerica.com/news/andor-season-2-fast-paced-structure-fascinating-experiment/

I disagree anon. Ferrix and the core characters' relationship to it is a recurring theme, arguably even moreso in the second season. Spending three whole episodes there gives ferrix the necessary narrative attention for it to be a recurring theme later, if andor had left ferrix on episode one the "stone and sky" stuff and the core characters' attachment to one another wouldn't carry 1/10th of the impact it does. That said I do think the first 3 episodes of season 2 should've been very different, more saw guerrera and less rebels infighting on yavin.

god don't get me fucking started on severance. I watched season 1 of both severance and andor and was here in the generals for both, when the first 3 episodes of andor dropped I was instantly convinced that season 2 of andor was gonna pull the same bullshit as severance did (meandering, pointless plotlines that get us nowhere).

seriously I can't express how annoyed I am by severance season 2. What pisses me off the most is that the finale was actually phenomenal and I absolutely loved the ending, but it simply isn't good enough to rescue the season. Someone pointed out that if you place the finale of season 2 directly after the finale of season 1, virtually nothing from the previous 9 episodes of season 2 have any relevance and the plotline almost works regardless.