Andor is unironically contesting Empire as best piece of Star Wars media of all time. I say this completely without irony not to bait or anything. Andor is giving me a feeling of catharsis like no other piece of media. THIS is the standard writers should have when approaching Star Wars. No less. I was thinking that it's unfair to compare everything to Empire, but Tony Gilroy proved that you can actually create something just as great if not greater.
Andor is unironically contesting Empire as best piece of Star Wars media of all time...
Fuck off.
Nope. I will stand by this opinion and die on this hill
Not even a hot take. Andor is the first Star Wars project since the originals that actually treats the audience like adults. No Force magic, no chosen one stuff, just real stakes, complex characters, and the slow grind of rebellion. The writing is sharp, the tension feels earned, and nothing is wasted.
Empire is iconic, sure, but Andor hits harder on a human level. Gilroy didn’t just live up to Empire, he showed there’s still room to raise the bar. If this is what Star Wars can be, everything else needs to step up.
Andor is the first Star Wars project since the originals that actually treats the audience like adults
the originals never did that. you're just embarassed to like star wars so you need to eat some pretentious slop that claims to be "adult" so that you don't feel bad about yourself. but the irony is that liking blandor is something to be embarassed about, not liking timeless, hopeful tales that appeal to all ages like the originals and prequels
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Ah it's another case like edge runners and juan piece
Empire had memorable characters and story. I can't even remember 90% of what happened in Andor.
WHAT IF STAR WARS BUT NOT STAR WARS AND FOR ADULTS
It's shit.
You don't get it, anon. He's a grown adult and shieeet but he can't hack reading books that are for people his age or look into academic subjects. So, he wants the juvenile idiotic audiovisual garbage he consumed as a child to put on an "adult" veneer so he feels less embarrassed to consume it. How pathetic. How miserable.
Star Wars is George Lucas and without George Lucas Star Wars isn't Star Wars.
Empire was good because it was mostly not done by GL
A new hope was good because his wife fixed it
just real stakes
i havent watched andor, but doesnt the existence of rogue one kind of ruin any stakes? we already know cassian succeeds in getting the death star plans to the rebellion and dies in the process
You're right. It's something much, much better.
Look he posted it again! Fuck off.
Andor is not about the Death Star plans. They only find out about them in the very last episode leading into Rogue One.
the first Star Wars project since the originals that actually treats the audience like adults
the originals
adults
Nobody is embarrassed about liking Empire you fucking retard
Can't handle the truth huh?
George is the director. Idiots like you just parrot every stupid shit someone happens to post that would take credit from him creating Star Wars.
White men evil and incompetent, browns , lesbians and strong women good: the show
Not even in the slightest
Andor is unironically contesting Empire as best piece of Star Wars media of all time
Ha ha shut the fuck up
George didn't win an Oscar for Star Wars. Marcia did.
There HAS to be an undie shot if Leia in that outfit somewhere, right??
Oh no, she won an award!
If you can't see it you are blind
Not just any award. An Oscar in 1978. Back when Oscars actually meant something
Anons should stay anonymous of course but every post should automatically display its poster's IQ score. We'd get rid of retarded garbage like OP so fast, it might even save this board.
Star Wars won 5 other Oscars too, that must mean George didn't create Star Wars!
t. IQ of 83
And so did Hirsch, and so did Chew. Lucas didn't list himself as editor because, even though he worked with them on the funal cut, he wanted them to recieve credit. Marcia basically just worked on the trench sequence. The other three did more editing on the movie than she did. The 'Marcia saved Star Wars' meme is bullshit.
Missed opportunity?
I believe you, given the fact you can't even terveisin properly.
b8
If George wasn't essential to Star Wars, then why did Star Wars start sucking when he was no longer involved?
It started sucking when Marcia stopped being involved
They were definitely eye fucking each other in the elevator
, he wanted them to recieve credit.
Yeah certainly because of it. Not becfause they did all the hard work by fixing his writting.
You unbelievable retard
They edited the movie according to HIS script. Everything we got in the final film was exactly what Lucas wanted, especially with the removal of he Biggs stuff and starting with the droids.
NOOOOO JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A MALE AND A FEMALE DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE IN LOVE DESPITE DYING IN EACH OTHERS ARMS
I wish all Hollyweird losers would die.
I haven't watched Andor and I never will because I never watch streaming slop (ESPECIALLY not Disney's streaming slop). Also, Return Of The Jedi is the best piece of Star Wars media of all time and personally my favourite Star Wars film, always and forevermore. I say this without even the slightest hint of irony. I love the theme of fathers being saved by their sons and I also love the Ewoks.
Based. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I disagree
wooosh
Lucas would have made the big reveal be that Jyn was Andor's sister all along and the Mads adopted her.
Everything we got in the final film was exactly what Lucas wanted,
False
“It’s pivotal that Luke doesn’t have patience. He doesn’t want to finish his training. He’s being succumbed by his emotional feelings for his friends rather than the practical feelings of “I’ve got to get this job done before I can actually save them. I can’t save them, really.” But he sort of takes the easy route, the arrogant route, the emotional but least practical route, which is to say, “I’m just going to go off and do this without thinking too much.” And the result is that he fails and doesn’t do well for Han Solo or himself.”—George Lucas, Scene: Luke sensing Han and Leia are in danger
“Luke is making a critical mistake in his life of going after- to try to save his friends when he’s not ready. There’s a lot being taught here about patience and about waiting for the right moment to do whatever you’re going to do.”—George Lucas, Scene: Luke leaving Dagobah, ignoring Yoda and Ben
“A Jedi can’t kill for the sake of killing. The mission isn’t for Luke to go out and kill his father and get rid of him. The issue is, if he confronts his father again, he may, in defending himself, have to kill him, because his father will try to kill him.”— George Lucas
GEORGE LUCAS: [Obi-Wan] knows that, eventually, Darth Vader is going to come looking for them. He knows this whole thing is going to blow up into a big war. He knows a confrontation is brewing between Luke and his father. Ben hopes Luke will either save his father or kill him, because whatever extra powers Luke’s got in his lineage, he is the one person that can probably fight his father and win.
Lucas wouldn't have made it in the first place because he's not a hack.
based
the glaze on this is so thick you can't even see the bun.
Reminder that the reason George and Marcia divorced is because he was spending all of his time working on Star Wars so she cheated on him
Dumb bitch thought she was more important than cinematic history
Hello sirs I am here to say that Andor Season 2 was NOT much worse than Season 1, that the OT and PT weren't as good as you thought they were, and that Disney is much better at making Star Wars content than George Lucas.
Jokes on you there's still time to make bix his secret sister who had his incest baby.
only because george chose not to be credited as an editor, even though he was the main one. besides, who even cares about the oscars? it's just jewish crap
Star Wars
cinematic history
George is anti Hollywood. They were not going to give him an award. His films are independent films.
All of that is what Lucas wanted and all of it is on screen faggot
I'm ashamed to admit in public that I like a childish series like Star wars so a series about star wars that has rape in makes it more adult
I've not seen Andor and I have no desire to. Rogue One was a mediocre film filled with forgettable nobodies. Why would I want to waste hours of my life watching a series about one of them?
and all of it is on screen faggot
Except on screen we've seen straight opposite. Luke refused to abbandon his emotional attachment to Leia, Han, Chewie and C3PO and got away, in fact that decision allowed him to defeat Emperor.
Luke's attachment to his father prevented him from killing him (something which Yoda, Obi-Wan and Palpatine wanted) and complete his descent to the Dark Side.
I have yet to see a coherent argument against andor that isn't
nuwars bad / reddit
seeor
star wars shouldn't be serious or gritty! it should be silly and whimsical
see or (worst of all) the classic
all star wars is shit for manchildren
bad faith, low quality arguments
True, based, checked and kekked.
not a hack
sold out to the house of mouse
If you want to shill your stuff at least be realistic about it. I also really like Andor and think it's the only movie/tv stuff worth watching apart from the OT but it certainly has its issues.
The whole Mon Mothma storyline is boring and complete shit, even worse when they're on Chandrila. You can't tell me this shit is better than ESB.
You absolute dipshit
I had remembered them kissing before dying for some reason only realising it was a fake memory in my rewatch of the movie after Andor.
Calibrate your butthurt
Andor is pure kino and yes, it’s the best Star Wars after Empire and Hope.
Actual human emotions drive the entire show instead of base spectacle.
The imperial political dynamics are fucking amazing and would be good even without the Star Wars setting
(something which Yoda, Obi-Wan and Palpatine wanted)
yoda and obi wan wanted luke to turn to the dark side? huh
all andor's made me want now is more of it even if I know it'd end up getting ruined somehow
a show about ISB shenanigans
a short anthology of saw guerrera and his space niggas high on starship gasoline fumes doing terrorist attacks against the empire
slice of life ghorman romance movie
A MEXICAN REPLACING LUKE??? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
The first episode was dog shit so I never watched past that.
make a show about D-list Star Wars character
This is Grok AI.
Why are you posting Grok AI?
Yeah. It's good and better than most Star Wars, in general. The
eMpIRe is hunTin Down My hecKin illegals!!
...plotline was rather tiresome but I guess that's just standard issue how every franchise that lands an audience doubles-down on the faggotry for second season, isn't it?
yoda and obi wan wanted luke to turn to the dark side?
No they wanted him to kill Vader, because both believed Anakin Skywalker completely gone.
I don't blame you, it was very clearly played up to be a romance only to be scrapped last minute (I'm glad they did though because it really didn't fit)
no, they wanted him to be ready to kill vader, because vader would try to kill luke
Because it's good
Mothma crashout was pure kino
She's dancing while people are dying, absolutely disgusting!
because vader would try to kill luke
No, he wanted to turn him.
Because it's good
If you're a pretentious nerd.
no
He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader, when that happenned the good man who was your father was destroyed
I cannot kill my own father
Then the Emperor has already won
bury your feelings deep down Luke
Okay tell me something else that is good then
I enjoyed it but the second season felt like it was too rushed.
So much happened off screen and we kept getting time skips
You mean it's contesting a new hope but no, it is not
Original plan was 5 seasons
Fucking pleb retard
goyslop
I said what I said. I've watched Andor, Rogue One and ANH back to back and ANH doesn't really hold up against Andor Not because it's not dark and gritty, I still love it, but I notice so many more amateurish choices in the story that don't have anything to do with tone.
Empire is better than ANH for that reason and it's why I say the only contestant Andor has is Empire
somebody is making rogue one kindor cut
youtu.be
youtu.be
kino, cant wait
LOL
LMAO
No one believes this. The name of the show isn't even creative. It's literally a callback to DEI and LGBT gayness. It's "And" + "Or" as in, man ANDOR woman, woman ANDOR DOG-CHILD;etc.
You are mentally ill
Do you think anybody's listening?
such a kino callback to his time with Kino Loy
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
HAHAHAHAHA
oh my God. Zoomers and Millies are lost. Rogue One of the anti-Star Wars film. Star Wars isn't supposed to be deadly serious or have the heroes FUCKING DIE FROM SUICIDE AT THE END.
Then as if that's not enough, they turn Darth Vader into Jason Voorhees at the real end.
Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ahsoka, and The Mandalorian S3 were not good. Any faith left in Disney to make good Star Wars disappeared a long time ago
if you can read what a simple five letter name actually says and its entomology you're crazy
Got it, jew.
star shit
Guaranteed that Andor fans endorse black crimes and hate Whites while voting "blue".
Damn I usually hate fan cuts but I think I'll watch this
such a kino callback to his time with Kino Loy
Or Ghorman.
AI
Star Wars isn't supposed to
The first 3 eps of S2 are hard filtering me because of how boring they were.
Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ahsoka and Mandalorian weren't by Tony GOATroy
wow someone made modern Star Wars into a perfect copy of modern Star Trek!
finally Star Wars will depress me while mocking the White race as intended
can't wait for the Metoo episode
BELIEVE IMPERIAL WAHMIN!
Luke Skywalker is lame and evil and bigoted like Hitler!
Then as if that's not enough, they turn Darth Vader into Jason Voorhees at the real end.
As opposed to turning Vader into Dylan Klebold?
As opposed to turning Vader into Dylan Klebold?
Vader shot up a Jedi school?
A cup of depresso before the hopaccino makes the uplifting ANH even more uplifting
I hope as much as possible of Giacchino’s soundtrack is replaced, it’s probably the main reason I can’t stand Rogue One. That and the constant easter eggs.
Well, clearly? It’s the only good Star Wars property that isn’t a children’s fairytale.
Uh... Yeah?
Vader shot up a Jedi school?
No, it's tonal whiplash because I've tried it. I gave RO a good try, saw it twice. It got worse. Once in a theater (I fell asleep because it's so boring), then once with a Blu-Ray.
Watch the second clip
kek
Nice fan film you got there.
Kind of. It’s funny watching Rogue One right after Andor and understanding that absolutely nothing that happened in Andor had any effect whatsoever on Rogue One.
LMAO WTF?
Maybe I can just deal with tonal whiplash better than you
Well, maybe you should fuck off if your taste is that bad.
Except none would bother with breaking Jyn out of prison without information about Galen Erso connection with Imperial Super Weapon
Kino is back on the menu boys
They got it from the pilot. All the information they have in Rogue One is directly from the pilot.
They got it from the pilot.
Pilot knew nothing, he only carried holo-record from Galen. And to meet pilot they needed Jyn.
Yes I bet you love to get abused, so you vote blue!
I like that the clip of Vader on the bridge is cut, makes the hallway scene more effective. In fact it would be great if all the other Vader scenes were cut and he only shows up at the end
fpbp
Trandor apologists are the thirstiest starslop hounds ever witnessed
Andor is more of a catalyst for what’s going on in the show, there are other characters who are arguably more important and it’s an ensemble
Yes I bet you love to get abused, so you vote blue!
Frankly, the whole point of art is to provoke viewer to experience emotions. If your heart does not bleed when Hagen von Tronje strikes Siegfried then you are either too dumb or just watching very bad version of the Nibelungenlied
another Disney show
Anon Babble hypes it up
I watched some of mandalorian. It was ok. Not great stopped watching before end of s1
Watched an episode or two of obi wan and dropped it as well.
Why do I have the feeling the hype for this one is overblown as well and it is just more mediocrity?
Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit
Andor is actually made by talented people and shot on location unlike those other shows that are shot in front of some fake looking screen. Kenobi’s budget was $90mil, Andor is over $650mil
Why do I have the feeling the hype for this one is overblown as well and it is just more mediocrity?
this is the thing where the hype is justified, watch it, its a slow burn with huge payoffs.
Why do I have the feeling the hype for this one is overblown as well and it is just more mediocrity?
this is the thing where the hype is not justified, don't watch it, its a slow burn with no payoff.
Andor IS the rebellion
Miss me yet? Or do you need more scenes of Hobi Wan stealing meat?
Mon Mommy Mothma sequel show in development