Those space wizards that were everywhere and running the galaxy 10 years ago? Haven't heard of them pal

Those space wizards that were everywhere and running the galaxy 10 years ago? Haven't heard of them pal

Probably one of the most egregious canon errors in Star Wars was the inability to make up their minds whether the jedi were some elusive Illuminati thing or a massive centralized bureaucracy.
Even within A New Hope they had conflicts on this. Han's skepticism that they ever existed vs. Ben's talk of "jedi knights" as though to suggest there was an army of them.

Obligatory "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic"

I think originally Han was meant to be some guy who grew up on the brink of galaxy in a system nobody gave a fuck about not even the Jedi

If they really wanted to make sense of it all, these "dark times" should have spanned a few generations. It should have been "the republic" fell 100 years prior to A New Hope, and "the clone wars" some failed rebellion with loose connection to an attempted revival of the old republic only taking place in some small corner of the galaxy.

Fair. Most Star Wars stuff at this point centers around Coruscant and the central galactic government. Easy to forget the vast majority of people would have been mostly out of touch with it.

The Jedi were a secret order of people secretly plotting to run the galaxy based on just "vibes" and assassinating people and we're supposed to think they're the good guys?

Han shot first

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

Nothing here suggests that Han hasn't heard of or didn't believe the Jedi ever existed. This almost feels like a Mandela as people convinced themselves Han said something along those lines but he never did.

Does a regular normie know about WEF, Bohemian Groove or any other sus special club?
Galaxy is much more bigger than a regular planet.

even in a huge galaxy full of wonders the fact that there are some beings who can literally use magic wouldn't be something that would just pass into obscurity.
there would be constant legends and mythology about them

Something tells me your dad is still smarter and more knowledgeable than you.

The Jedi were religious virgin elitist jerks they didnt have time for the average Joe of the Galaxy thats why they fell and became arrogant

Even in The Phantom Menace it's like people have generally heard of Jedi but aren't experts on Jedi powers/lore. They're the guardians of peace and justice. They have laser swords. They can probably be killed by roly-poly robots.

It's never really a 'spectacle' when a Jedi does Jedi shit, there aren't crowds or anything. Even in A New Hope, everyone in the cantina goes back to their drinks. (The Stormtroopers care about the sword fight because they're Darth Vader fanboys.)

The ideal edit of that scene is the theatrical cut, but with the 2019 cut maclunkey line added before the shot.

You fought in the Clone Wars?

Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.

A Jedi Knight?

I think it's perfectly reasonable that people forgot about the Jedi or that the Force is a real thing.
As you said, all they really knew was hearsay and rumors at best. Sure, they attempted to kill Sheev at one point but that doesn't mean they had magical powers.
Plus, all the Jedi went into hiding 20 years ago.

The reason for all the numerous inconsistencies and contradictions is because of the writer's inability to grapple with the reality that the so called evil empire were in fact the good guys. It's an unintentionally unironic allegory for real life 20th century events.

George Lucas was just making shit up on the fly for Star Wars, he only started planning things out with the second movie.

People memory holed stuff like the Covid restrictions not even a year after

Wings MCSnouty on Tatooine, the most backwater planet in the system: Why you wave your hands like what do you think you are some kind of Jedi, Mind tricks dont work on me only money

They were some obscure unknown order

When I watched star wars as a kid I didn't know that boba fett had a whole ass clan or something

It was a front to help further destabilize the middle east to help greater Israel form. The oil was just a nice bonus

The whole idea of mandalorians is so reddit

he has cool helmet so there is 100 other ppl with cool helmet and theyre so cool they cant take off the cool helmet

Now imagine what 20 years can do. That's why you have fags idolizing the 90s today

The galaxy is huge, and even if there were a few thousand Jedi at any given time the odds of meeting one and witnessing their abilities was slim to none, so one could be forgiven for believing they were at best just some weird religious cult. Even if you knew someone who had seen a Jedi in action imagine if they came running up to you and said something to the effect of "DUDE YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT THAT WEIRD GUY IN THE ROBES WE SAW AT THE SPACEPORT THE OTHER DAY JUST BLOCKED A BLASTER BOLT WITH HIS LASER SWORD AND THREW THE GUY INTO A PILE OF CRATES WITHOUT TOUCHING HIM!"

George Lucas hates you.

He's right about Ukraine though

Do you think Jedi's were notorious rapists?

--> >most remote backwater hick not only knows they exist, knows they can control your mind

knows they can control your mind

and knows they wave their hands when they do it

the only thing saving it at this point is it's imperial propaganda and acting like the Jedi ever existed is a thought crime.

why did the werewolf in the bar not like luke?
and why did the humanoid pig face agree?

Some of them were known to be. That dude with the penis head was allowed to keep a harem of sex slaves because his race was endangered

I got the feeling the space-jew had done some traveling.

be me

Anakin

the Jedi masters tell me that love is a path to the dark side

know for a fact that there is one Jedi master who after a hard day of teaching younglings that love is bad will go back to his harem and fuck until his dick falls off

Do I need to meet the pope to know he exists?
Anyone alive during the republic era probably saw them at least on their space TVs.

It's no wonder why he hated all of them

Guards, this woman has lost her composure

You know what a witch or a wizard is

You have heard also that they wave magic wands and say shit like 'abra cadabra'

You know that these are just parts of conventional fairy tales and that people don't actually have magical powers attached to these conventions

If someone waved their 'magic wand' at you and said 'abra cadabra' in what seemed like a genuine attempt to use witchcraft on you, you might respond just like in

I'm not even a huge fan of the prequels or of Star Wars in general, but retardation like this can't be allowed to stand

That's what I convinced myself too, but then I rewatched the movies, and he later says some line that makes it seem he doesn't believe in jedi having superpowers at all

OT>ST>PT

They were too busy watching softcore porn in the living room.

the jedi temple is a gigantic building right next to the capital of the entire galaxy according to the prequels and star wars has an internet/tv media equivalent called the holonet

Han doesn't say he never heard of Jedi, he says he doesn't believe in their magical hocus pocus religion.

Shut the fuck up, you inane retard.
Think for a moment. Pretend that George Washington could summon meteors from the sky, shoot lightning from his fingers and personally led troops while doing all those things. And he also had the officer corps called the Minutemen, who could also all do these things. And the American Revolution happened 20 years ago, so it was within your lifetime.
Do you actually think that somebody would say

Wizards leading american troops? What a bunch of hockey nonsense.

No. EVERYONE outside of the Sahara Desert would know about it, even if they haven't personally seen the war themselves.

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort...

Nothing he said was factually incorrect.

which is pretty retarded when he was like 12 years old there was a galaxy wide war where jedi were leading one of the two sides on the frontlines constantly using their powers to cut robots and cis scum in half

Doesn't that just prove that the Prequels retcon or contradict the OT.
From the OT, an imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man,” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the Empire. If the Jedi were simply slaughtered like in Lucas’s prequels, that would have made them martyrs – their status in the culture would be exulted. So instead, the prequels should have shown how the majority of common people in the Republic lost faith in the Jedi and in the Force.

hey uncle owen what did you do during the mythical CLONE WARS that happened eons ago (less than 30 years ago actually)

Lucas is a hack

dude I was there at one of the battles in the clone wars and I saw a jedi deflecting blaster bolts and he was like.. running faster and jumping her than I've ever seen before! it was magic!!

ok retard

They went there to arrest Palpatine, but he started killing them. Even after he Sheeved the other three, Mace Windu still tried to arrest him and only went for the kill after Palpatine tried to force lightning him.

I always got the impression that everyone living out on the Rim treated Jedi like a myth, even at the height of their power.

That ancient religion of yours, the one that was at the focal point of all politics and an still ongoing intergalactic civil war, a mere 20 years ago?

But a distant memory

Do you think a 45 year old General in the U.S. military, current year, would struggle to believe Saddam Hussein was real or existed?

It's the equivalent of a criminal or military officer not knowing who ISIS or Al Qaeda are.

soldiers have been taking photos on the battlefield for almost 200 years now and military schematics are leaked on the world of tanks forum frequently but not a single man on the battlefield decided to record their jedi commanders doing sicko shit to post on the internet? the republic doesn't have any propaganda videos showing them off?

maybe this lack of thinking would apply if you were literally a baby boomer watching these movies in the 70s but there's no excuse besides banal fanboying to try and cope about it in current year

Obi-Wan served Leia’s father as a general during the Clone Wars
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in ANH implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan, commanded by Leia’s father, who would logically be the king. This implies that despite a unified republic, individual planets each had their own military during the wars before consolidation under imperial rule into a single military. Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks, which means Obi-Wan either volunteered or was conscripted into this military.

Tatooine and Alderaan are both frontier worlds
“If there’s a bright centre in the universe, you’re on the planet that it’s farthest from.” At the beginning of ANH, Princess Leia’s ship is “on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan” Presumably they left from the capital near the centre of the galaxy, which implies Tatooine is on the way to Alderaan. Since it is a wretched hive of scum and villainy run by gangsters and mostly outside of imperial control, Tatooine must be a frontier world, which means Alderaan is also a frontier world.

star wars has the worst world building of any franchise in history. truly, remarkably bad.

Yes, considering those “special clubs” are regularly featured and incorporated into the popular media.

They were on Tatooine for this scene. You know, the same planet where Anakin, even as a slave child, knew about the Jedi? And knew enough about them to know that Jedi carry lightsabers. And Han seems like the kind of guy who in the loop on things too.
before the prequels, I assumed the Jedi were like a dozen or so people before Vader killed them all. And I didn't think they had a lot of official recognition, so I assumed that even in their time, most people wouldn't know about them or would think they're a myth. But then in the prequels you have hundreds of jedi and they officially interact with government leaders and Senators.

idk, maybe it still works because their feats are so magical that people could just assume it's a myth or that people are exaggerating, but it definitely feels like a mistake in the prequels

It's actually fantastic if you just take 'A New Hope' as a stand alone movie and ignore everything else. The universe implied by that feels like it must be massive, the characters keep throwing our passing references to things that seem like that could have taken place at some indefinite place and time, and the part of the galaxy we actually see seems tiny in comparison to the scope that could be out there. Tatooine actually comes off as a completely backwater, irrelevant planet that Luke and Obi-wan happen to live on, which works and makes the scenes on it more memorable.

Han should probably know about the inquisitors running around the galaxy hunting jedi

Star Wars invented this kind of franchise building in the first place, you absolute retard.

what is lord of the rings

what is superman

what is batman

what is spiderman...

Wasn't Solo more of a Hutt Space guy though?

James Bond was books, films, songs, comics, toys... everything under the sun long before Star Wars was released.

You just referenced a franchise that rebooted itself every decade or so, abandoning any chance of coherent worldbuilding, different mediums set in different universes. In that case, Sherlock Holmes would be the blueprint anyway, but I guess you see now why it's a poor example.

Don't try to frighten us with your Iraqi ways, Lord Anon. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort...

Point out the franchise that was visbily present in all leading mediums at the same time before Star Wars.

iraq wasn't about oil though, it was plain old circular reasoning and self delusion about muh democracy and muh WMDs.

wdym "memory holed?" I'm pretty sure everyone remembers that unless they were literally born during the pandemic

Planet of the Apes

i mean if your standard is just 'stories with the same setting/characters' then those are just called 'sequels'. Agatha Christie's Poirot novels, Lovecraft's whole mythos, a whole bunch of children's series like Peter Rabbit and and Winnie-the-Pooh.

what the fuck does that word vomit mean

Medium is a big word for you, darling?
Star wars was the first major franchise that got famous in movies books, comics, games, all kept within the same universe with only minor inconsistencies.

Can you process these words now?

Based on those examples you don't get the difference between sequels and cross-media franchise building.

retards think the problem is the scale of the universe or the role of the Jedi in society

Actually the issue is that ANH makes it seem like the republic died centuries ago and Obi Wan is reminiscing about something from his youth, not something that happened 10 years ago

Not even the book and the first film adaptation are set in the same universe with a consistent set of characters, so its not really "expanding the story across media".

It's 19 years.

I mean, South Africa was a nuclear superpower just 30 years ago
They were extremel prevalent in culture and history, as a kid I still learned about their accomplishments in ww2 and how JRR Tolkien was south african

Then poof, they were all erased feom history. Nobody remembers them anymore

but you're just going to say the Batman film serials aren't canon (because he works for the US government). or the Superman cartoons give him different powers. Flash Gordon NEWSPAPER comics? fuggedaboutit.

meanwhile the very first Star Wars novel(isation) was retconned by the next film. the O.G. Marvel comics don't exactly line up perfectly, either.

It just became another sub-standard african shithole after blacks took over. I remember south african villains in movies a lot during the 80s into the early 90s. Also some romancing the stone tier comedy kinos came out of there during that time.

Then you should know there would also be skeptics. Now add to it that during the height of the Clone Wars there were only 10k Jedi Knights. Now contemplate that the Star Wars galaxy has 100 quadrillion sentient beings and 3.2 habitable systems then you begin to understand. If someone from Corellia told you about how he saw Master Yoda lift up a truck while on a trip to Coruscant, you'd be fucking skeptical too. If you were from Tatooine, the rumors of the Jedi would be so outrageous you might just believe them to be Angels. That's why I fucking hate Mike's reasoning about how Coruscant should look more desolate and rundown during the Clone Wars. There is massive fucking galaxy, the effects of it just wont be felt at all in certain places, especially not the seat of the fucking Republic.

The Jedi were cut down as traitors who tried killing the chancellor and overthrowing the republic. They wouldn’t have been exalted at all.

20 years ago. And the way Obi-Wan talks about it, while looking off to the distance especially during the line "Before the dark times, before the Empire" it makes it quite apparent that Obi-Wan lived through that time.

Yeah, there are inconsistencies however still, even the normiest normie and the nerdiest incel will think of the same character and actor when you say Luke Skywalker.
With James Bond, Batman, Superman basic characteristics are changed left and right. The furthest we deviated from the core of the Star Wars movies was Andor with the political thriller mood. And yet that is still controlled in a way where the vibe of each movie following gets increasingly uplifting as the rebels start winning. It's consistent across multiple platforms and managed to expand on the original story in different forms of media while being the most famous franchise at the time.

The studio even gave Lucas crazy franchising rights for A new hope because at the time those were considered worthless.

starts shelling states that democratically elected to leave the country following a coup

Star wars was the first major franchise that got famous in movies books, comics, games, all kept within the same universe

this is a stupid line of argumentation that had nothing to do with my claim that star wars has poor world building. it's also not true. star wars was a film franchise exclusively until the 2000s. only nerds read the EU books.

Even within A New Hope they had conflicts on this. Han's skepticism that they ever existed vs. Ben's talk of "jedi knights" as though to suggest there was an army of them.

You're indirectly trying to rehabilitate the prequels with this. I don't like it.
Jedi were a small group that supported the Republic from the fringes. Everything in the OT supports that descriptions. The Prequels got it dead wrong. That's the end of it.

People forgot that Jedi didn't do flashy things in ANH. That came later in TESB.
Most Jedi powers would be like intuition and skill to someone like Han. No need to be all religious about it. The only 'flashy' thing was Vader's strangulation, and almost nobody saw that except his underlings. Obvious TK for Jedi, except for Vader chokes, appeared in TESB.

Jedi were a small group that supported the Republic from the fringes

"For a over a thousand generations the Jedi were the keepers of peace and justice in the old republic"

"Before the dark times, before the empire"

Yeah, sure does sound like a small group that supported the Republic in the fringes

caring about the prequels

They didn't want any imperial entanglements. You start asking or answering questions about jedi and you know it's trouble.

His point was that the force, whatever that was, had done nothing to solve real, pressing problems. As far as Motti is concerned Vader is nothing but an enforcer and serves no purpose at a high level strategy meeting.

immediately discredits argument with last line

Good job.

Star wars kept building the same world across different types of media, nobody cares if you bought the books, they sold enough to be successful. Merchandising also helped the worldbuilding, everyone knows what an Ewok is, despite zero occurence of the word in the films.

Calling one of the most successful worldbuilding cases that was based on some random popular adventure movie the "worst" is just cheap exaggeration mixed with autism. Peak retardation.

Kenobi having to even say these things to Luke should suggest that they weren't particularly famous. Solo not knowing about them either just drives that point home further.

Donald Trump was a famous crook and conman, literally know for scummy business practices, stiffing contractors, stealing, lying, and being an overall shitty dude. A few years out of the spotlight and everyone forgot that tl instead think he's the most respectable, trustable, professional, excellent businessman around! And he's convinced you all of a shocking amount of blatantly false things. So yeah, I can absolutely see wide spread knowledge easily getting buried.

Your mom's ass had some of the worst world building.

star wars was a film franchise exclusively until the 2000s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Droids
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewoks_(TV_series)

Dude, original novels started to came out before TESB.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splinter_of_the_Mind's_Eye

Luke lives on a farm and given the events of the OT, his ignorance of the Jedi through his family was very well intended given Uncle Owen's reservations about Obi-Wan and Luke's father in the conversation they had prior to Luke going out to look for R2D2. Han is a smuggler who only cares about surviving his next day. The Jedi have been presumably gone for decades. Do you think Han attended primary school where he was taught Critical Jedi Theory? He only knows what little he has heard.

Man, so after watching Andor and Rogue One. I watched the de-specialized edition of A New Hope, and its incredible how many of the nitpicks people have with the prequels and continuity are honestly too harsh. The OT gave, from what I remember from Empire and Return as well as now having watched Hope, very broad general strokes about what happened before the Empire took over and the fall of the Jedi. Which says to me, everyone's gripes about what the prequels did just comes down to disagreements about 20 years of imagined ideas that could never be possibly be topped by the prequels. Yeah, the acting was bad and the overuse of CGI plus some of the important story beats could have been done better but the prequels didn't ruin any of those large strokes. People just had overwhelming expectations. Had the prequels released 5 years later with the same story, all the manchild neckbeards would have still been young. Alec Guiness was right about Star Wars fans, they watched the OT like a 100 times and they just ruined themselves.

He was gonna be raised by Wookies and would've showed up in Ep 3 hanging with Chewbacca.

People knew the Jedi were a thing but didn't believe they could levitate shit. They just thought they were snobby warrior monks and nothing else. Plus, there weren't much of them to begin with in the entire galaxy due to the ban against having families. They were an extreme minority in the galaxy.

everywhere and running the galaxy 10 years ago?

Space is big and the Jedi were rarely in the outer rim. Even to Anakin they were a myth until one showed up in his town.

Reiterated his original post without so much as thinking for a second about how retarded it is

KILL YOURSELF. DIE.

You say it like it's something good.

People don't want to talk about it, it doesn't mean they forgot, you absolute retard.

Damn, burgers really can't post anything without making it about how racist they are. Do better...

They have internet, holograms, and sound systems that can cross the galaxy instantly

Luke lives on a farm

So? The guy knows about the clone wars but doesn't know anything about the jedi who fought in it. he doesn't even know about Obi-Wan Kenobi, a major hero of the war so important that Leah contacts him despite him having been in exile for decades.

Leah

I dont get this argument there were maybe thousands of jedis in a galaxy of trillions

And he was a good friend

What did Obi-Wan mean by this?

They seemed to be getting on quite well in episode 3, even parts of episode 2. It’s only when the w*men in Anakin’s life start demanding attention that he loses his way.

One of the things that made Star Wars good (I'm speaking specifically of the original film only, which I think is the best movie and works best as a standalone film) was that it left so much to your imagination. It creates a lot of evocative ideas like "Jedi Knights", "Clone Wars", etc., but what are those really? You get to think about such things and engage with them in your mind. That was something great about the movie, especially when I was a child. The best fantasy does things this way, it creates the illusion of this broad world or universe that isn't fully explained, but has a weight to it that makes it seem like the things being alluded to were real, but what they are isn't explicated, it's a realm left for your imagination to wander in (The Lord of the Rings does this as well, taken standalone without stuff like The Silmarillion). The prequels ruined this aspect of Star Wars. Everything you could wonder about is now explained, and it's fucking lame. I didn't need to know any of that, I don't want to know any of that. I reject that they exist.

(cont.) I think some of this "weight" that I referred to can be created by work done by the creator behind the scenes. Like in The Lord of the Rings, all of the mythology was planned out by Tolkien, but it isn't explicated in the text. He never published The Silmarillion during his life, but it's still the backbone of what's going on, and because he put in that effort the things that are left to your imagination don't feel like made-up words and nonsense, but something that's real about the world the story takes place in. Maybe Lucas had all of these ideas back then, I don't know whether I believe him or not about that; but supposing that he did, the fact that he did that was what was able to give the world of the original film its verisimilitude. Maybe what he had in his head was lame, but by only referring to it rather than explicating it, it gave those ideas their evocative quality.

Also I'm not implying that Star Wars in on the same level as The Lord of the Rings, so don't take my posts that way. But I think they share a similar quality in this regard, so I wanted to use it as a comparison.

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I don't think you realize just how massive a galaxy is. Jedi are basically the Republic's secret police. There's a few thousand of them in a galaxy of quintillions of intelligent creatures. Most people in the galaxy would have never seen a jedi in their life, and to them they might as well be a fantasy.

The prequels ruined this aspect of Star Wars. Everything you could wonder about is now explained, and it's fucking lame. I didn't need to know any of that, I don't want to know any of that. I reject that they exist.

Sounds like a personal problem.

This . Han never says he doesn't believe in the Jedi's existence or even the fact they could do magic. He just rejects Obi Wan's religious pontification that there is a centralized providence controlling everyone's destiny. And remember in the canon, only a few Jedi radicals believed in the existence of the Cosmic Force vs the Living Force.

Zoomers also dont believe that the world existed before the internet

Of course it is. I evaluate things based on my own tastes and preferences. I'm not going to like a movie because someone else likes it, but because I like it myself. If you like the Clone Wars being a bunch of clones of Boba Fett's dad fighting robots over some kind of trade dispute then more power to you, buddy. You do you.

we went because saddam discovered a stargate you absolute fucking buffoon

Guy on the left looks like trump

han solo played by harrison ford

"guy on the left"

what the fuck. i'm outta here. tell your babysitter i went to buy beer since you're not able

orange solo

ugh I hate star wars now