Woman makes a movie about loneliness

woman makes a movie about loneliness

What do you need from other people in order to feel more welcome in society? I'm asking. What would help you?

Men choose to be lonely.

It’s true. All women are attractive and constantly have men fawning all over them. There are no fat women. There are no ugly women. There are no women with which no one wants anything to do with. All women have an extremely easy time in life, and even the women that struggle the most still have it easier and lead happier more fulfilled lives than the average man.

Can you imagine how unbelievably moronic you would have to be to take any of that horse shit seriously?

faggot makes a thread pretending to be wise

The number of women who are ugly ugly because of pure bad luck are so small, I'd say 30% is being extremely generous.
Meanwhile the number of unattractive men by birth is at least 50%.

Dudes cry that women only want Chad like men don't only want Stacy. There's a chubby quiet girl who would love to grab a cup of coffee with you.

Footjob

Why doesn't that chubby girl lose weight?
As a man if I had an option for an easy method to become hot in half a year I'd take it in a heartbeat.

chubby quiet girl

not quiet if you can hear her breathing and footsteps

it's easier for a fat ugly woman to get laid than a good looking successful man

be men

isolate yourself in your room/apartment in front of your computer throughout your teens, 20s, 30s, 40s...

so lonely, so depressed. how could women and society do this to me? :'(

nothing bad ever happens to wome-ACK

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That's a whole lot of projection they're, bud. Some of us have tried putting ourselves out there.

You could get a 2/10 girl as a 5/10 man right now if you wanted to

Even if that would be true, I am not sure you understand how pathetic that sounds.

Whatever, post lonely girl kinos

But I work out every other day, I do sports and work. I was just unlucky enough to be born under 6 feet and with not enough jaw/chin. Why the fuck should I accept someone that just *checks notes* exists, without putting in any effort?

Thunderbolts

There are millions upon millions of men and women who are lonely as fuck, because the world is twisted and the deck is stacked against them. And from a personal viewpoint I find that funny as FUCK.

I deserve someone as fit as I am, the dating market you are describing sets me with someone who does not take care of herself and this is logical and reasonable to you but not to me. And no im not an incel or caliming to be one im a reasonable human being, what youre describing is fucking insane and settling in every way, women who match me physically have inane and absurd standards and its not logical or reasonable and to that you say im choosing to be alone, youre fucked in the head.

There's a chubby quiet girl who would love to grab a cup of coffee with you.

With tattoos, a bodycount, a foul mouth and an entitled attitude.

Let me tell you a funny story, anon. I tried that whole lowering your standards thing when I was younger. You know where it got me? Set up on a blind date with an actual, honest to God hunchback. And the topper is she wasnt even my type. Have you ever had to look fucking Quasimodo in the eyes while you try to let her down softly. I didn't fucking think so

this

It's easy for fat ugly women to get laid, nigs go crazy for that, idk. You constantly see 180lbs reasonably attractive black guys cruising around with 300lbs white women, it's insane.

You can be surrounded by people all day every day and still be lonely. New York City is the most populated urban center with the largest reported demographic of people who suffer loneliness and depression.

You can be fawned by the opposite gender but still be lonely

I'm just highly introverted to the point that my social battery was exhausted by the bare minimum of school and work.
Now, at 28, my job is as low stress as it gets in my field and I see maybe 20 people the whole day, and I finally feel an internal desire to go out and be more social. I view it as opportunity and I realized that everyone who told me it was about my mindset was totally right. I would still argue that many of the standard practices in American society creates an environment that's simply abusive to people who aren't naturally outgoing.

Nothing. It's not their fault I am the way I am. God made me this way and it is what it is.

chubby quiet girl

also will only settle for chad

You're not a 5/10

This is the real point, also everything men say about women being whores can easily be applied to men
You tell yourself this because you dont want to settle for less than stacy

that would be correct, yes.

One thing that's gotten me down about people in general since I was in High School is that the norm is to view caring about things as cringe, being passionate is gay, and the social hierarchy is often a contest of who can appear that they are the least passionate. I've chosen the optimistic view that they are just trying to look dead inside rather than that being the truth. But I still can't stand to be around people who are more sarcastic than they are sincere.

I know it's about nihilism but every time I see someone being excessively snarky/cynical I send them that Smiling Friends video where the character talks confidently until he has a gun pointed at him and pissed himself while crying and say "this is you"

I'm long past wanting to feel more accepted and welcome. The scars run too deep for that.

Are you neurodivergent or otherwise on the spectrum at all. I only ask bc I’m ten years older than you, and I wasn’t diagnosed until last year.

Long story short- after being highly skeptical at first, then angry (insert all the other stages of grief here as needed) a LOT of things about myself became much more clear about my life and how I interacted with society (mainly to me, but a lot of other people that know me went “oh yeah- that checks out). The point being I’ve had very similar experiences to what you’ve described about yourself.

You might not be on the spectrum- you might just be a regular guy that’s pretty shy. Or you might be on the spectrum and then a LOT of stuff might suddenly make sense for you.

Or both. Just throwing it out there

and by stacy you mean not obese

the amount of self-pity men have in 2025 borders on the absurd

do you regret that there isn't a line of garage-dwelling hairy spics and gormless indians waiting to stick their dick in you, anon?

I would still argue that many of the standard practices in American society creates an environment that's simply abusive to people who aren't naturally outgoing.

You're absolutely right on this. The pandemic was the only time this environment flipped on its head. For once society favored introverts and inconvenienced extroverts.

They (the extroverts) couldn't handle a few months of being forced to live like introverts, meanwhile introverts have always been expected to have a good extrovert mask and live by extrovert standards. Extroverts were getting depression and even ACK'ing because they didn't have the entire world set up the way they preferred and weren't forcing everyone else to conform to their desires. Indisputable proof introverts are way stronger and better than extroverts.

How does one go about getting an autism diagnosis? I have always been introverted and preferred doing things alone and considered socializing a chore.

the introvert/extrovert thing is pseudoscience, you know.

Maybe women should stop voting for leftoids and supporting open borders if they don't want goblin brownoid thirdies lusting after them

It works if you watch it as unreliable narrative and the woman is being a schizo like Patrick Bateman that deludes herself about being lonely. You can now watch lonely woman movies.

even fat ugly women still have 20+ simps simping after her on discord

I truly do not understand what people intend when they say to merely go outside. Do they honestly believe that I'm just super shy and afraid to speak up or something? I literally have not had a conversation with a human in at least a decade. You think this is because I am just shy and unwilling to open up? Shutting yourself in is a symptom of the problem, not a cause. Do you think I want to live like this and that I haven't tried? I can't speak to people. My brain just doesn't have anything to say. And if I do try to force myself to think of something it'll just be some weird sperg shit that will just freak everyone out. Oh my god I hate you normgroids so much.

if I said that I rejected a bunch of indian and hispanic women you'd jump down my throat and screech that I only want stacy

bitch lonely while at the local gloryhole... men to blame...

I was seeing a psychiatrist for my depression and my bipolar disorder, and they’d mentioned having me take something called the RAADS-R. From what I understand it’s like THE test for diagnosing autism spectrum disorder. It’s free to take online, but I should warn you: the accuracy of the results (as with any mental health diagnosis) highly depend on a doctor’s assessment. Basically the test is a pretty strong indicator, but it’s not definitive. You still need to see a mental health professional to give you the diagnosis. Just to give you some idea of how “bad” I was/am pic related is the scale for scoring the results of the test.

…and then my results. You might be like I am, and be extremely autistic, but so high functioning that basically no one (including close family members) other than a doctor was able to tell without seriously looking into the issue.

raadstest.com/

I dated an obese woman for three years and we almost got married. She was actually really cool and I enjoyed her company and even loved her. I only left her because she got a different job that stressed her out and turned her into a complete psycho that would constantly take it out on me when it's beyond my control. I paid my dues so shut the fuck up about Stacy. I managed to get a 5/10 non-fatty afterwards though thank god.

tell her to blow it out her ass

I've often joked about it but I doubt it's actual autism. More likely I just cut myself off from most people for so long that my own social norms went in a divergent direction with the result being an inability to connect and relate to many people following THE norms. So many people are wearing a mask though and getting through to the true them is a trial of patience I've rarely got, not when you can find some people who want to be a real human bean with you. I'm lucky to have found some, but they are few.

chubby quiet girl

Without meaning to sound Jewish, black dudes cornered that market. Being fat is simply no barrier to a woman getting laid.

The specifics maybe but there are obviously people who are more jazzed up by social activities like concerts, clubs, etc and others who are happier around very few people if any at all.
You'd never catch me going to a concert even for a band I love.

I dated an obese woman for three years and we almost got married. She was actually really cool and I enjoyed her company and even loved her.

I paid my dues so shut the fuck up about Stacy. I managed to get a 5/10 non-fatty afterwards though thank god.

you sound like a real catch. I can't help but wonder why all the attractive women weren't into you

Also to add that 5/10 non-fatty left me after 3 years for a rich Egyptian manlet that was a decade older than her. That was what really redpilled me on women. It's not even Chad, any rich asshole can steal your girlfriend if they're interested in her.

you sound like a real catch

where do you think we are.jpg

take your pick of dating apps to see that even the most foul people imaginable still want prince charming

This

Whatever works man. I just know about myself I NEVER would have considered autism as a possible cause for my social anxiety and depression- prior to being diagnosed and putting myself through a crash course in autism school, I’d always been sympathetic to people with it, but I just didn’t think there was any way that could have anything to do with me because I’d only ever heard about it from tv shows and movies and holy shit do they not get it right! Like my whole understanding of the disorder prior to about 18 months ago was that it meant you were basically tantamount to being retarded. Like I thought they were all super geniuses who ironically couldn’t function in society and they all looked and acted like Stephen Hawking.

Yeah, not the case lol. Let me ask you this- when you sleep at night do you ever do anything that might be described as “T-Rex Arms”? Whenever I start to doubt my diagnosis I always have to remind myself there are physical symptoms of autism- and I have a few. Not *all* autistic people have some of or any of the physical symptoms, but it’s my understanding that damn near *only* autistic people experience them, so do with that information what you will

>woman makes a movie about loneliness

You would be right but I don't want an attractive woman because that's unrealistic. I want a blandly average one because I'm blandly average too. Is that too much to ask?

This. I just shake my head when see that in nigger ghettos

Shallow Hal wants a gal

Simps will pretend to be friends with her forever. Wtf is she talking about?

Fat people are disgusting, lowering yourself to date one is sickening unless your making them a project...or you're an architect improving upon the foundations.

There should be a place anyone can go and just talk to random people with no judgement, like, a place to find friends or a girlfriend, maybe spend some time together. Imagine being a lonely fuck (most of us don't have to) and just visiting this place and being like "hey i'm not so alone anymore i can actually talk to people and someone cares and wants to spend time with me afterwards"

Can't think of anything that I think could be interpreted as T-Rex arms.
Took the test you linked. I think some of the questions had limitations in the phrasing but here it is.

furry conventions

I CAN'T BREED! I CAN'T BREED! I CAN'T...

just never fucking ends with you faggots, does it? im getting so fucking sick of you stupid cunts that never go outside and then complain they cant get laid. nigger wtf do you want from people

Legalize shrooms
It's literally a plant
Imagine being scared of a plant
That's our government working as intended

just never fucking ends with you faggots, does it? im getting so fucking sick of you stupid cunts that never go outside and then complain they cant get laid. nigger wtf do you want from people

A fat ugly 40 something years old BPD woman i know eats for free going on dates every evening hwile changing boyfriends every other month
I truly don't believe a woman can be lonely unless she wants to shit off from the world entirely on purpose, meanwhile men can be lonely involuntarily just because they have some minor flaw like short height

People say go outside but they mean go out to settings you don't enjoy or engage in communal suicide rituals.
I go outside and it's still isolating, but at least sunlight and nature are good.

perma-ban everyone ITT

I just want people to stop torturing animals

Quit whining

There should be a place anyone can go and just talk to random people with no judgement

this, i just ended a talking stage shit with a girl that was going nowhere who trauma dumped on me about how lonely she was and how her 'friends' all discard her one by one. she is nowhere near ugly either, she is really pretty. All she was doing to me past couple months is pushing me away til I finally decided to block her.
3 days later i see her talking to a dude at work who everyone thinks is gay but he isn't, and she is hanging out with him every weekend now. he's way fuckin guglier than me too, I don't fukcing get what I did wrong

But girls always have fucking options, they don't know what being alone means

The female dating experience is something that I can't quite wrap my head around. Like I know obviously men and women are different, but it's just crazy to me how something as crucial to our lives as relationships is a completely different experience for men vs women.

As a man, I know that if I'm not constantly approaching women, going into social situations, using dating apps etc then I'll be alone and celibate, in other words, getting a gf requires work. But because women are the ones who typically get approached, do women just sort of passively exist, go through life and instinctively know that sooner or later a man will ask her out?

Again, it's just crazy to me all the hoops you have to jump through as a man to get love whereas with women it's basically handed to you on a platter. Imagine if jobs were the same way.

as a man, you actually have to hand out resumes and face and constant rejection

as a woman, you have CEOs coming up to YOU and offering jobs

My brother in Christ, that’s called “just going outside”

I know it sucks, and I know for certain kinds of people with certain mental disorders (not judging if you have them, I have a bunch) it can seem almost impossible, but connecting with people (like minded people!) really is just that easy. It just takes a lot of patience, repetition, and being open to learn from your mistakes and get out of your comfort zone.

Here’s my tip, this might not work for you, but it worked for me- make a list of all the places and activities you’d like to go to or participate in with friends or with a romantic partner. Now just go start doing them by yourself. “But that’s dumb! I’ll still be lonely! And worst of all, people will see me being alone and I’ll be embarrassed/they’ll judge me!”

Almost nobody is going to do that second part- you would probably be shocked by just how little strangers are paying attention to you or could give the slightest shit there’s a man by himself somewhere they also are) but also, where else do you imagine you’re going to meet all these people you want to meet who are into the same stuff you’re into? Guess what? They’re all already there at the place where you do that stuff because they’re into it- you’re the one slowing everything down by not putting yourself out there. But secondly, and this part is important IT DOESN’T HAPPEN OVER NIGHT! Or even in a week or so. What I’m suggesting is- do you like comic books? Start hanging out at your local comic book store! Do you like politics? Start showing up to local city council meetings. You need to be a known regular at the place where the kind of people you want to associate with also hang out.

2/2

And there’s one more thing- you have to be brave and actually talk to people once you get there. You shouldn’t run up to every person you see and immediately start aggressively shaking their hand and introducing yourself, but maybe you start going to a local pub for lunch a few times a week. If you keep going places regularly, not only will you yourself become a regular- you will begin to notice other regulars- and they’ll most likely notice you back. After a while it really doesn’t seem so weird or uncomfortable to strike up a conversation with somebody at the local coffee shop- you both go there frequently, you both recognize each other- at that point it pretty much becomes hard *NOT* to make friends. All you have to do to strike up a conversation is “recall something that happened while you were both present” like that’s seriously all there is to it. And if they’re friendly they’ll be friendly back. And if not, say fuck em and move on. Now you’ve got something new to bond with the next person over- how much of a jerk that last guy was!

as a man, you actually have to hand out resumes and face and constant rejection

as a woman, you have CEOs coming up to YOU and offering jobs

anon...
CEO's don't do the hiring. my wife's last 2 jobs were from random women who work in HR chatting her up, and the conversation ending with a job offer.
She was talking with some random lady about how she is looking for better work, and mentioned she used to be a dental assistant.

wow we need a dental receptionist and you wouldn't need to be trained on all the terms and procedures and such, when can you start?

Better job than I have ever held that wasn't a college work placement.

meanwhile i can't find shit and the job i got via nepotism won't exist in a month.

go be an ignorant boomer somewhere else

My fat unfuckable housekeeper has literally 1000+ matches on her dating app. She showed me after I turned her down

Women are the ones that can feel true loneliness. Ugly sloppy guys that put no effort into bettering themselves are not worthy of pity.

I cannot stand this condescending bullshit. I promise you I've tried anything you can think of. Yes, believe it or not you aren't the only person with a functioning brain that can apply reason. Yes I am capable of thinking for myself. Please get it through your thick fucking skull that not everyone can be saved. I know it's more comfortable to think of the world as a meritocracy where anyone can be happy if they just try super duper hard but that's not the case.

T. Arnold

I don't think he's totally wrong, but he isn't accounting for at least 1 thing. Maybe the kind of people you want to be around haven't gotten as far as you and they're still rotting at home every moment of leisure. Can't do shit about that.

unintelligent animals are incapable of self-reflection

Whoa...

You haven't tried hard enough

going outside is a fantastic strategy for dating foreigners and the elderly but i'm keen on people my age and race thanks

Godlike advice

go outside

nothing happens

is there some sort of hidden step i'm missing?

I have. You just have this idea in your head that everyone has the same problems that you did and that your solution is a cure all.

no, you just need to start doing that habitually. you need to build a life that involves something other than squirreling around on the internet. every moment that you spend on your PC or your phone is poisoning the well of your personality and your lifestyle.

No. The people that come here to post this while never acknowledge the vast disparity in quality of life between a man and woman. They just want to gaslight you into thinking women have it tough so they can continue to live their easy mode no accountability lifestyle

you need to build a life that involves something other than squirreling around on the internet

like what?

I don’t know what else to tell you except what worked for me. Also I did start exercising a LOT (that’s also a way I’ve met people- I’m a cyclist and I go to a lot of cycling events, but it could be just your local gym), paying super close attention to to my appearance, but I think the main thing was a serious and very intentional attitude adjustment. I had to force myself to to be not just outgoing which is super uncomfortable for me, but I think the most important thing is being intentionally friendly and pleasant. It sounds stupid, but people like people who like them- or at least are nice back to them.

Oh, and it really helps to remember details of things people tell you about themselves and to follow back up on them. I personally thought this sounded dumb, but you’d be surprised just how much people get a kick out of just you remembering they were gonna try a new recipe and then following up on it the next time you see them.

It’s super basic stuff, and there’s no guarantee it’s going to be a perfect solution for anybody, but it’s advice I really wish someone had given me when I was at that point, so if it helps, great! If not, it doesn’t bother me. And who knows, maybe some other lonely person will see this and it might help them

and I finally feel an internal desire to go out and be more social. I view it as opportunity and I realized that everyone who told me it was about my mindset was totally right.

I finally have the desire to be social too at 27. The problem was that the reason I isolated in the first place was from recieving so much abuse from normies. Schools are basically a zoo where all the animals are put in the same cage. Law school was unironically the first place where my peers didn't seek to destroy me for their own sick satisfaction. It was so refreshing.

Mental how 4chinless by the same advices that redditors give lol

Go somewhere and interact with people

If she was kind and loving, with no tatoos, I would take her. Where do I sign up?

interact with people

I can't even make conversation with retards on Anon Babble or discord

People will acknowledge that pretty privilege exists, but dont truly internalize the extent until they lose it. Pretty women who get fat in their prime get hit with this realization the hardest

Now imagine autistic looking people who often hit that uncanny valley look with normies. Getting fit won't help them. They were losers from the start.

just go and interact with retarded normalcattle thousands of times until one of them gives you the time of day

lol

it's your life, you figure it out.

just bee yourself

be me

I'm supposed to approach strangers in public like a weirdo while most normies got their gfs effortlessly without trying

here's a brutal blackpill when it comes to dating, if you feel like you have to actively "try" and put in effort to get dates, you're probably fucked. the reality is that most men just coast through life and meet women without even really trying.

most men didn't meet their gf/wife by cold approaching them on the street or on a dating app, they just had friends, went to parties, joined clubs in uni, had a job that required them to be around other people, or played sports like a normal person and next thing you know they met a girl they liked and they clicked and hit off.
they didn't think "I'm so tired of being alone, maybe if I self-improve, get a six pack and do nofap and take cold showers girls will finally like me".

I don’t know what else to tell you except what worked for me

be honest with us and yourself and tell us when and where this worked for you. was it in the middle of saskatchewan, in 2025? because those are the conditions i'm working under.

become hot in half a year

It's called losing weight, fatty.

I'd proudly take a woman who's less than my looksmatch or a little overweight if she's all that and wants kids. Too overweight is more indicative of poor mental health. Bonus if she's into any kind of nerd shit even if it's not my same kind.

the mean strangers on Anon Babble won't tell me what my hobbies should be. How am I going to get a 7/10 gf now??

learned helplessness

this. what's changed is that is these days it's impossible to meet fellow autists and make real friends because of the death of the internet and mass antisocial behaviour.

Oh, yeah well it’s hard to physically associate with people if you are not physically near many people. Then in that case your problem isn’t “how to make friends/date” it’s getting in close enough proximity to another human being to be able to say hello in the first place.

I don’t know what to tell you except that if you’re lonely and you’d like to spend more time around other people, pretty much the biggest component of solving that is getting yourself physically around other people

most men didn't meet their gf/wife by cold approaching them on the street or on a dating app,

no longer true

Even ugly women get laid constantly thanks to Tinder. This is where you or others say some bullshit like

"Oh, well those guys aren't GOOD!"

It's better to have some options than no options at all. And yes, ugly men have no options at all. Make an ugly man dating profile and see.

remove gf from the equation and it's still true. modern relationships last a few years if you're lucky

for people to stop taking themselves and things so seriously and for fags to cease putting on airs that they are tough all to impress people who couldn't give the faintest of craps about them. that and for people to just be more open and not so on guard at all times

few women truly experience loneliness, but the ones who do are lonelier and sadder than men.

This.

You know, the funny thing is that many men would probably even consider dating her. Issue being: women still expect to conquered and talked to. It doesn't occur to them that if they aren't top shelf material perhaps they should try to do the conquering themselves. I say this a quint lingual lawyer, who's somewhere in the 8 or 9/10 range. I would date chicks way below my own (physical) attractiveness level if they'd fucking try. They just hardly ever do.

B-but they think they don't have a shot

Not a reason. Grow some figurative balls.

ugly women and broke/low status men are the most undesired groups of society, but at least broke men can always make money.
ugly women, unless they want to spend thousands of dollars on plastic surgery, will always be ugly

massive cope, all women have orbiters

I believe it. I'll be watching the sunset at my local park every Friday. I'm going outside, how about they join us?

it's frustrating too because women still seem like they want to be approached but will freak out at a man who does try to approach them.

be man

don't approach women

women are disgusted by you for being a virgin

be man

approach woman

women are disgusted by you for trying to talk to them and being creepy

Holy incel batman

It's not always about sex, weirdo. Women can have high standards for a man and never meet him, and again I'm not talking about looks, an attractive woman that wants a smart husband she can actually talk to and relate and have fun will not be happy just because she can fuck a bunch if guys she doesn't even like, in the end she's just being used for sex because of her looks and her smarts and personality are not appreciated.

This is advice I think a lot of dudes that post here might benefit from hearing, but you know how you’d go to approach a male stranger you wanted to strike up a conversation with? Try that.

The reason I suggest that is bc I don’t think a lot of guys that post here actually view women as people. They think of them as some exotic incomprehensible different species they need to trick or study up on to interact with. Like they think there’s some magic word or phrase where if they can just say that, they’ll instantly fall madly in love with them.

I’m not saying this is going to work every time for every person, but if you have a really hard time meeting women, maybe try imagining what you would say to another man you wanted to make friends with in that situation and try saying that instead. Just a suggestion

Women have conditioned each other to be too self-conscious, never taking a person or what they say at face value.
Unless you're attractive enough of course. Have you tried trading in your father for a more attractive one?

ah yes the classic "talk to women the same men you'd talk to men" advice.
sounds good in theory, but in reality if you don't flirt or create that sort of "spark", most women will only see you as a friend and not a romantic partner.

you know how you’d go to approach a male stranger you wanted to strike up a conversation with

People who think for 1 moment to approach strangers of any kind aren't drawn to this website.

I'll be honest with you: this is and has always been retarded advice if you give it in a generalized manner. Unless you're a fucking personality lacking NPC you will, as a guy, have some need for BANTER culture deeply embedded inside you. You can't pull that with women the way you can with other men. This only works if you're a "nice guy", fake or real. In any other case you will have to read the room, read the woman, adjust your behavior HARD.

What's funny? Nobody is lonelier than a burned out whore with a thousand cock stare. An empty husk that will never know love or meaningful connection with another person, even if she really tries. That's a torture that men, who love so easily and deeply, can't fully understand.

Damn, if only someone had warned her.

There are no women with which no one wants anything to do with.

Burn victims and literal retards. That’s about it. Other women can get all the attention they want with ease, even uggos and whales.

but you know how you’d go to approach a male stranger you wanted to strike up a conversation with?

...no?

Have patience with the failed normies.

Almost nobody is going to do that second part- you would probably be shocked by just how little strangers are paying attention to you or could give the slightest shit there’s a man by himself somewhere they also are

This is blatantly untrue - anyone who has female friends and has heard them talk amongst themselves will notice this as well.

I don’t know what else to tell you except what worked for me

Your age and location is very important and I assume you know that which is why you left it out.

Okay. I don’t think so, but knock yourself out I guess. But my whole thought as it relates to this insecurity I always have- like still, I’ve never gotten over it- is of meeting a girl you like, really hitting it off, and then her just not being romantically attracted back, is that yes that sucks, but having friends isn’t a bad thing, like I could use some more friends in my life if I’m being honest. But also it’s not inconceivable that they know somebody I might be even more into. Like if the girl I like just isn’t interested in me like that, is she also a friendless shut in who lives under a rock? Unlikely (and if so, how the fuck is she turning me down dude!), so there’s a pretty decent chance some of her friends are also similar to her, and if I’m friends with her and she likes me, she’ll think it’s a pretty good idea to introduce us.

And that’s not a trick or some PUA manipulation shit- 80% of people got their current job because of the recommendation of a friend. That stat doesn’t seem surprising to anyone, so why would you turn up your nose at applying that same thought process to meeting a romantic partner?

Oh I’m 38 and I live in a major city in the Midwest. I’m average looking so nothing to write home about. Like I said, I can only tell you what worked for me. If you want, feel free to apply some or none of anything I mentioned. As far as I know what helped me come out of my shell might literally only be applicable to me, but that’s why I say, feel free to take the parts you like and use them, of ignore any/all the stuff that you really don’t think applies to you

taking advice from failed normalfags

do you want to end up like them, still on this website, bragging to strangers about your 2/10 wife and mutt child?

I fucking hate discord gaming nerd faggots who spend their days shitting on autists ( the only people who are lower than them on the social hierarchy) and their whole personality is being an edgelord towards vulernable people ( but dont heccin insult le women or blacks though or youre an incel!). I knew a normal fag like this who likes to bully autistic people (brags about how be bullied mentally ill guys in hs) but is an insecure gaming nerd manlet himself who used to be insecure about himself in freshman and hides behind a normie wigger friend group in order to not get his shit kicked in. But also hates "chuds" and thinks sexism and racism is too far

This is just cope. Men and women can't be friends if the man is physically attracted to the woman. Plain and simple. You accepting then rank of an orbiter, telling yourself you're alright with being friends, doesn't change that. I agree that it may be better than never having talked to a woman but the scenario you describe here is more painful for the guy than it helps them in most cases. More often than not being around the chick you like who doesn't like you back or you can't have for other reasons will not have a positive bottomline. Plain and simple. You need to have a fucking faggot mentality for it to do. Cause any normally functioning male will want to touch eventually. And no, "getting over it" is not a game plan. It's you praying that you will with the off chance that you won't cause you still orbit her.

Ever notice how in normie friend groups, there is always the top dogs whom everyone takes seriously, never insults, and is extremely full of himself, and them there is the guy who is always at the brunt of every joke, gets shat on for the entertainment of the others even when it becomes straight up humilation, is never really taken seriously, and if he were to insult back he would get ganged up on by the others!

stop being a pussy is jussa joke bro!

YOU CALLED ME A BAD PERSON BECAUSE IM AN ASSHOLE IMMA KILL YOU NIGGA YOU GET NO BITCHES

Incels are unironically right about normalfags.

Why would you intentionally hang out with people who are mean to you? Or conversely why would you intentionally hang out with someone you really couldn’t stand?

Like you’re describing the kind of friendship dynamics I had when I was in the 6th grade and the only people available to hang out with were the other 16 kids in my grade. As an adult who is still making you hang out with these people you don’t like?

Imagine some Anon Babble autist dsygenic who lacks even the most basic of social skills and is naturally not very attractive going up to randos in bars attempting to jestermaxx and befriend them. Literally in what universe does

Go out and meet people bro!

Work? In reality, people who have lots of friends have been bulding their network of social connection since literal grade school and have expanded on them since. Chad never needed to go out and befriend other males or go out to meet chicks, they all came to him naturally without him trying one bit. If you were an autist anti social pariah even as a kid, sadly chances are you will be that for the duration of your life

that's been your personal experience anon. don't project that on to everyone else.

I dont hang out with such people im talking about hs obviously. Most young people especially in the age of social media are ruthless sociopaths. But my point is that is youre a autist trucel there really is no point in hanging out with normies. You will always be the "other" guy, even if they admit it to you or not

You’re making things seem a lot harder than they really are most likely. But I do think a big part of it is your attitude about the whole thing. You just have to be patient, try and be friendly and outgoing, and remain consistent. Even if it just means you develop a friendly relationship with the guy that works the checkout at the gas station, that’s still one more than you had before. And it might not seem like it, but that kind of stuff builds. Being social is a muscle. You need to build it and maintain it. Unfortunately we need it to have good mental health, and it requires effort on our parts, and on top of that it’s not easy. But I’m telling you even if it doesn’t amount to resulting in you dating the hottest woman in the world, what you’re probably going to get out of making an intentional effort to be more friendly and outgoing going is a couple of more friends than you started with. And I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty happy with the idea of having more friends in my life

and it requires effort on our parts,

and that's the thing, I hate that it requires effort.
as I said here , we're supposed to just approach random people while most people have naturally formed friendships from their school and/or work

I have quite literally never had a friend. I haven't had an actual conversation in at least a decade. I can't remember the last time I spoke to someone for longer than 2 minutes. Does this put things into perspective for you or do you still feel that our lives are comparable?

I mean I just hang out at places where being social is kind of expected. I go to a lot of local punk shows, I regularly attend cycling events (I was just at a cycling canned food drive this weekend and there’s an ally cat coming up next month!), and in general I just hang out at a lot of bars and coffee shop. In settings like those it’s totally normal to casually strike up a conversation with a stranger or just someone you don’t know but kind of recognize because you see them around.

Like that’s the secret all those big scary people with all those friends used: they just hang out at places where it’s cool to make friends

There's no such thing as an "ugly woman" because there will always be one guy who wants them
Compare that to ugly guys who no woman finds attractive

Listen, I’m not your therapist, and maybe I’m totally wrong and you really are hopeless and you should just give up and go home.

Okay.

Well since you’ve given up, there’s no stakes anymore. You already failed, so you may as well try chit chatting a little bit with one of the people you see at the hardware store. What’s the harm, you’ve already failed, you can’t do worse than that, so you may as well just start going to local sporting events and asking people you’d like to make friends with if they know the score, and then sharing your reaction to it (hint: that’s a way to start a conversation with a stranger). Since you’ve given up, maybe start looking up online if the local library is doing a book club. Or if there are events coming up at your local community center. You just opened up so many opportunities for yourself just now when you gave up, because you freed up all that time to go find creative ways to be social with people around you that might share one of your interests

kek literally me

I went to a bar trivia night with my friend once and everyone just sort of stuck with their own little group and didn't talk to each other.

Every last one of you should kill yourselves

so you may as well try chit chatting

Please stop saying this as if it's as simple as breathing air. I can't. My brain shuts down when confronted with socialization and doesn't produce any thoughts for me to verbalize. It's as if you're telling me to levitate. It is impossible. It's not hard or uncomfortable. There is nothing for me to say.

american "man" makes a movie about the male condition

i know it's a joke to you, but there are many mental women and some of them very anxious. you wont know any or see them, since they are just as reclused as some of my anons. it's a shitty world out there, don't let hollywood kikes paint a world for your mind that doesnt exist.

the norm is to view caring about things as cringe, being passionate is gay,

Same, I can't stand this current era we're in where everything has to be ironic. It reeks of insecurity(which social media has made everyone).

Meanwhile his looksmatch

god, cis men are pathetic. maybe femcels are onto something

yep, men unironically get what they fucking deserve for being pathetic, spineless simps

Men should go and cry somewhere else because you brought it upon yourselves.

Where do you think we are.jpg

dude holding up a slimy bass as an offering on the altar of romance

woman advertising free no-strings sex

these aren't really comparable

what's more is that the guy torpedo'd himself by swiping right on almost every single profile (two MILLION right swipes??). dating apps don't even show you to people if you do that. no doubt he also acted wildly desperate in convos which is the single biggest turn-off for human beings. he basically did everything wrong

I think I have stone extreme delusions
I have high IQ and ADHD, I got very far in life despite starting from absolutely nothing. I hate all people around me except my mom, my kids and to the lesser extent my wife.
I can’t really explain it well, I think I would like to rule tyrannically over some domain where my word is an absolute. That would be good. Not possible at the moment so I just take credit for all the work people under me do while I present in a bad way to the C suites
Maybe I would do terror bombing if I knew I won’t get caught

Movie for this feel

...

ugly as fuck

Let's be honest. Her face isn't that bad, it's just average. She might even be cute if she wasn't so fat

mass immigration of women to reduce hoeflation

yes

The problem with every single black piller is they project what men value onto women then proceed to freak out over some made up boogieman.
Women do not and never will value sex on the same level as men. Insisting they do (or being as bold as claiming they value it more than men) proves my point exactly.

America needs Boer and Ukrainian women.

I literally met my wife like this, I was in my room and she came in with my friend to pick up some books he promised I have. We talked and eventually married.

Lower the world average by 2 inches

I've gotten matched with girls asking them if they were virgins. Even dated a few seriously.
Albeit I'm a 5/10 white and 6'0 king of manlets.

Men don't care about sex either. If they did, escorts would fix the issue and less men would report being virgins than females.
Female creatures get both sex and relationships more easily and their life in general is way easier than men's as a result of that. Not having to spend half your time courting the opposite sex means you have more time for your hobbies, work and education, which is one of the many reasons why young females are outearning young men.

Men do care about sex a lot. Prostitution will never solve this "problem" because it's not addressing what men want. They desire sex from a partner that loves them, and that sex is how they know their woman loves them.
Women getting sex easy is a meaningless point to even bring up. Relationships are just a facade for men to have easy access to sex.
A woman wants security through marriage and children. They ultimately are left unfulfilled in this thing you call "easy mode", whereas men can live relatively ok lives with just a gf that gives him sex.
Frankly, you think too much.

Relationships are just a facade for men to have easy access to sex.

And to placate women into a false sense of security. Bf/gf shit is a win win for men, for women it's a tease.

Don't pray for easier times. Pray to be stronger men.

They desire sex from a partner that loves them

Relationships are just a facade for men to have easy access to sex.

which one is it, foid?

You're not as smart as you think you are anon.

Except for having to provide money and attention. It's a transaction at the end of the day. Both parties are winning, if you don't think you're winning then just look for someone else that matches what you want.

concession accepted

Ok have a good day

Sure yeah, it's playing house ultimately when you boil it down.
Difference though is that men can persist in a relationship, whereas women still end up feeling unfulfilled because of the lack of the actual union (marriage) and lack of offspring.
Men still come out on top in the whole bf/gf thing. Women are left waiting for the man to actually commit.

Are women actually browsing Anon Babble now or is this some gay larping?

Women don't browse Anon Babble, no. And if they do they hide out on Anon Babble or go attentionwhore on Anon Babble or Anon Babble.

Damn, sucks that she got forced into a relationship to that specific guy who doesn't want what she wants. If only she could choose who she's with.

Women are left waiting for the man to actually commit.

Because they choose Chads with tons of options instead of going for men in their own league. Any female that's struggling with dating in 2025 is a fucking retard.

you can tell it's a real hole because of their resort to passive aggressive remarks and attempts to get the last word after losing an argument.

I seen couples break up for the exact opposite of what you said. I guess its true to some people but not everyone. Also a lot of women who want to settle down had a whole lot of experience to put it nicely, it's a little difficult to trust someone like that.

You're literally incapable of viewing other's POV.

eww I just got an ick

just start a conversation even though you're bad at it

This would only lead to further isolation. Because the other people will feel uncomfortable because he's forcing it and they would be able to tell there's something wrong with him. He is unironically fucked but you are unironically incapable of understanding his world view because your instincts are rooted in experiences he has never had and never will have.

Believe it or not, even the ones genuinely "in their league" aren't settling down with them either. And if they are, they're on one way tickets to nasty divorces, because why commit when the goods are already given up before marriage?
Men simply aren't wanting or caring to get married anymore so as long as extramarital sex is on the table. Even if they get married, it's not because they want to. It's because of some external pressures to do so.
It's really a far more complicated issue than just "women bad" or "men bad". Both parties are monumentally at fault for the sorry state of affairs we're in. And if you really dig into it, it's because we killed God and decided that everything is good so as long as it doesn't restrict another's freedom to feel good.

LOL ever heard of divorces. Men are getting fucked one way or another.

Female syntax is easy to spot.

Yes I have. That wasn't what I was talking about though at that moment.

Both parties are monumentally at fault

Lol, don't try this shit when only one side controls all relationships. The problem is that side happens to lack logical thinking and has a smaller brain.

Basically we need social media to end, I am well aware this will never happen but it's the root of pretty much all the modern dating/loneliness issues that we are seeing. And it has absolutely ruined women to a point where it's honestly better for men to stay single.
A realistic answer would be to unstigmatize not having social media, it's to a point where if you don't have a certain number of followers you're a loser, and God help you if you're just not online at all. All women will instantly disregard you as a massive creep. Which ironically is a complete 180 from how things were till about 2015. This might happen but I'm not optimistic at all. Maybe some kind of anti sm counter culture will spring up but that's at least a decade away and I'll be almost 50 so I'm screwed. There you go chatbot.

Yeah you're right. Men therefore are at fault since they are the smarter sex and should know better than women (who are like children).
Thanks for the clarification.

Something like 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

This is basically only true in high school my man.

Women are vastly in a greater position to make decisions and act with agency than men are as a collective. If women wanted it, casual sex could end today. Premarital sex, STDs, children out of wedlock, etc would be 99% gone if women actually didn't value sex as much as is implied in these posts. So what gives?

The only thing that gives me any relief now is seeing others suffer.

If it's any consolation I'm good at talking to people and am still and incel chud.

Anon I just met up with my former student cohort last Saturday. We are all licensed medical professionals. It's basically everyone younger than 30.

I remember lowering my standards and trying ti get with a 4/10, but I still got rejected. Feels much worse than having a cute girl reject you, never gonna do that again

Because casual sex gives them power over men that don't care to have power and are content with those women controlling them.
That same sex is what they use as a bargaining token to try and secure top tier men.

The irony is that the ugly girls know they're ugly, and when a guy out of their league goes for them, they'll reject because they think "something MUST be wrong with this guy that he wants to go out with me".
You can't win.

Alright well obviously both of our arguments boil down to anecdotes but in my experience the whole "pretending you don't care about stuff to seem cool" thing stopped when I finished high school. As far as I can tell most adults I interact with don't seem to really care about being seen as "cool" anymore, or if they do still care about that it's no longer manifesting as a distant and cynical sort of apathetic attitude to everything like you'd see in high school and more so morphed into people bragging about stuff they spent their money on.

casual sex gives them power over men

Oh really? How's that working out for them?

still end up feeling unfulfilled because of the lack of the actual union (marriage) and lack of offspring.

lol why do so many women nowadays not want children though

Not good.

We live in a society

They eventually always do, it's just by then it's too late.

Kek

you made up a false scenario in ylur head to "own" the chuddies, good for you

Im 29 and this is my experience too. Only dead beats try to act "cool" and not caring at this age. Anyone with their shit together is actually trying in life and not afraid to appear so.

I never said it's about anything specific like being cool. It's just baked into the culture. They simply carry themselves as though they experience everything casually and superficially. The only time a modern normie takes anything seriously, it's only because they're feeling negative emotions. It's as though they have no idea how to be positively passionate and I'm just sick of being around that.

your*
because they want to fuck hot guys in their twenties, and later use some beta bux for financial security and children

There's a chubby quiet girl who would love to grab a cup of coffee with you

HAHAHAHA

Legalized prostitution so I can engage in a transaction for sex without having to go through the rigamarole of pretending to like people in a relationship. I hate women I just like having sex, wish I was gay and could just ignore them entirely but it wasn't meant to be. I'm cursed to desire pussy even though every single time a woman opens her mouth to say anything it feels like a jackhammer going off in my brain.

except life is just one big giant highschool buddy.
youtube.com/watch?v=jrxI_euTX4A

. It's as though they have no idea how to be positively passionate and I'm just sick of being around that.

This, it's why I can't be around normalfags for too long

I've found people to be far less obnoxious once I finished high school. Most people I work with are just too tired and too busy to keep up with the same bullshit they did back in school.

It's as though they have no idea how to be positively passionate and I'm just sick of being around that.

This is mostly true but I don't think it has anything to do with normies or any specific group of people. Humans just seem far more likely to vocalise negative feelings rather than postive ones, for whatever reason. It just feels awkward somehow to randomly exclaim "I'm really enjoying myself right now" whereas saying something like "this shit sucks I really wish I wasn't here" is fairly normal to hear and something a lot of people can relate to.

really is just that easy. It just takes a lot of patience, repetition, and being open to learn from your mistakes and get out of your comfort zone

I've tried this so many times and got nothing in return. Maybe it's cause I live in the midwest, but I can't connect with anyone here. I think I'm gonna stick to posting with anons on this site

Men and women have reversed. Women now don't want relationships, kids or any kind of commitment at all and just want casual sex, where as now that's all men are looking for is a long term partner even Chad's.
That's what I've seen anyways.

I've found people to be far less obnoxious once I finished high school.

yeh maybe for people in their mid 30's, but anyone in their twenty's (your prime years of your life) is a complete faggot

I'm 24. That said I never went to college/university so maybe that's what makes the difference

Why would you intentionally hang out with people who are mean to you? Or conversely why would you intentionally hang out with someone you really couldn’t stand

no you retarded nigger, this anon is saying that in general normalfag groups function in this way. It's really rare to find friend groups where there isn't some kind of hierarchy, which is a big reason why (for me at least) it's hard to actually connect with any groups

inb4 bro just keep looking

fuck you

I just want to be around people who want to talk about the things they care about and make them feel alive without being self-conscious of how they look to others. I've found a few people like that and I'm never letting them go, but young people mostly just stare blankly when you discuss any subject to a level of depth. Even the 30s-40 crowd, the elder millennials are still like that.

That said I never went to college/university so maybe that's what makes the difference

genuinely, where do you go to talk to people your age if you don't go to college.

I guess that's true for me. Give me a kind 4/10 who wants kids. Too many women carry themselves as though they actually enjoy wage slaving more than the idea of being a mom. It's completely insane.

not him, i'm 25 and i took all my college classes online except one
the one on campus class i took was depressing as fuck. just show up, go to class, nobody even really talked to each other, and went home
if you aren't tall and/or attractive (or chad) you're not gonna just get a gf at college, not anymore at least
and if you don't already have an established friend group going in (i had few left at the end of high school and most of them either went elsewhere or just didn't go) you're gonna find it even harder to make friends at college than at high school

There's a chubby quiet girl who would love to grab a cup of coffee with you.

Where?

There's the whole "nonchalant" attitude most zoomers have that make them so dull to listen to, phrases they have to repeat over and over for no reason.

Bro thinks he's...

(something) ahhhh

and other retarded stuff to diminish the genuine emotions and feelings someone might have, since any semblanc of vulnerability or enjoyment is "cringey" . Of course, there's the opposite of that (redditors) who are too passionate and are obnoxious in a different way, but you get what I mean

This guy is full of shit. The bird was absolutely thinking oh fuck I'm cold, this is bullshit.

you set your time machine 20 years ahead to be saying that, professor

just show up, go to class, nobody even really talked to each other, and went home

This is literally me at the moment, just finished my junior year. Even in smaller classes or classes with more girls, it's been impossible to get a gf. I'm 5'6 so that's probably the main reason. I don't even care anymore, I just want to finish

Too many women carry themselves as though they actually enjoy wage slaving more than the idea of being a mom. It's completely insane.

Yep, and what's worse is it's all an act and they even know it. This doctor I know is hot and 35 and she got drunk one night and started crying about how she hates her life and just wants a man to take care of her and have kids. Like the college meme women are falling for the career meme.
She's my cousin btw so off limits, and her standards are so high she'll be single forever. Nothing short of a $600,000 salary man who works out and is handsome for her, not even kidding..."*crying..where are these guys??"

Basically we need social media to end, I am well aware this will never happen but it's the root of pretty much all the modern dating/loneliness issues that we are seeing. And it has absolutely ruined women to a point where it's honestly better for men to stay single

Elaborate.

that's not what self-pity is

oh fuck I'm cold

vs

I'm colder than other animals. other animals have it better than me. I don't deserve this. I did my best. how was I supposed to know it would be this cold?

Uh theres this little thing called work. And my friends.

That's just because birds are fucking dumb, and so is the guy who made that quote.

This doctor I know

I remember wanting to go to medical school but, considering the amount of work and types of people you interact with, I knew I'd hate it. Still, I enjoy reading some medical stuff

same vro, i'm 5'7 or so and i'm a khhv. not sure what i'm gonna do

work

that's very vague

friends

old ones or new ones from work

work

not anymore grandpa
and even still, if you were to try, you'd have to be so incredibly sure that the girl would be receptive that it can take you fucking forever before deciding it's safe to make a move. so long that she'll either assume you're not interested or lose whatever interest she had (and did not show because of course she didn't she's a woman)

A hug.

self-pity is a self-sabotaging emotion and you should try not to indulge it

I assume you mean on why women are terrible and men should stay single.
Mainly because of and every 3 or above has a triple digit body count and whores themselves online, marriage laws are so fucked up its insane for any man to get married... I could go on.

The quote is still retarded. You think when a dog whines it's just making sounds? Self-pity is retarded, but so is the idea that animals don't do it. Dude's a dumb fuck prick that didn't think his quote through.

Who started the meme that men care what a woman's job and salary are?
It seems that many women actually believe it.

projecting that much uh? either a simp or a basic bitch. either way kill yourself, nothing of value would be lost

Forgot to bring this up. This is one of many things women clearly don't get about what guys are looking for. Remember They always project, always and aren't capable of seeing another perspective

What's vague about that? Pretty much everyone has a job, and most jobs force you to interact with people. If you want specifics I work in the trades so I interact with a mix of people my age and people older than me, though the people older than me act pretty much the same as the guys my age.

old ones or new ones from work

Both.

Didn't realise we were talking about girls I thought it was just people in general. It's true that I obviously don't really see many women working in the trades but I still meet them outside of work through my friends. But if you do work with a woman and you're waiting for a sign from her that shows she's "receptive" before you try and make a move on her yeah that's probably not gonna work out so well. Just shoot your shot whether you think she's "ready" for it or not and accept the outcome.

kek
women value and adore liars who tell them what they want to hear. She was with an effeminate pussy of a man, who couldn't even tell her to her face what he wanted, he wasted her time because he was a coward who can only say whatever he thinks a woman wants to hear to her face.

She was obsessed with an effeminate, dishonest man, and she paid the price. Next time she should look for someone masculine with honour and a willingness to tell the truth.

i don't think that's a good idea, making things awkward work and having to deal with that. especially if you already kinda hate your job
not sure if you're a zoomer btw but it's especially bad socially for us

Not to mention accessibility. You didn’t have to worry about celebrities hitting on your girlfriend in 1999 but in current year? My god. Picrel had his entire fucking marriage blown up by an NFL quarterback. Poor bastard.

Hot. May I?

A fag ugly women with a decent personality and hygiene can easily get an attractive good man

Our minds just weren’t meant to take process shit like picrel

to be fair, all women do that, and many men too, when you ask "what do you want in a partner" of course everyone describes the ideal. Then if they meet someone likable who doesnt actually meet that standard, they usually just throw it to the side if they get along with them and don't think about it again.

She needs a tradesman-type guy to come pester her a bunch to date, then she'll crack. 35 is way old though for kids, i hope she froze some eggs instead...

They can't handle the truth anon and they only want guys to simp for them. Every try and be actual friends with a chick and talk to her like we're talking about stuff itt, even earnestly asking why they think we are wrong? They can't keep up for1 they aren't able to self reflect so they are confused what you're even saying and 2 they hate this kind of talk even though they all LOVE psychology. They call you a jerk and a weirdo and never talk to you again.
I've tried with a few chick's I thought were intelligent enough to at least give me some feedback. Useful or not. They hated it.

Like I said earlier I'm 24. I just think it's a lot better to take the risk of making things awkward rather than dealing with the regret of feeling like you've missed your opportunity because you waited too long. That feeling of "what if" is going to last a lot longer throughout your life than whatever awkwardness you'd have to endure after fumbling a bad bitch and then still being forced to work with her.

Suffering is fun
You wouldn't get it

they're just modern emo kids bro, its the same nonchalant attitude with different lingo.

i think the more prestigious schools with alot of interstate or foreign students have a stronger social network, especially the ones with a college/university bar on campus.

I wouldn't say fun but it unironically does build character and you can immediately tell upon meeting a person that they haven't suffered much in their life because it just makes them somehow act less human.

why do they always have to be fat though? like just eat less holy shit. also this applies to every fatass in this thread, you disgust me

True, also wallowing in your own misery is actually very fun and people like to pretend they are victims for it.

Not him what was your fucking point

She needs a tradesman-type guy to come pester her a bunch to date, then she'll crack

The problem with that is women have conditioned guys that it's not acceptable under any circumstance to try asking a particular girl out more than once. Playing hard to get is just fucking yourself over now for women.

Women have also demoralized men with their insanely high standards/pickiness to the point that a lot of men won't even try asking anyone out anymore because it has always been a negative experience when they tried. Casinos spend a lot of money researching the psychology of gamblers to keep them playing so they can earn the most money possible. They found a sweet spot where gamblers need to win at least X% of time to feel like it's not hopeless and they have a realistic chance at winning instead of giving up and going home. I suggest women do the same because the lottery jackpot odds they have created for non-Chad men to successfully ask them out isn't helping anyone.