Tom Hardy Details Health Woes: ‘Not Going to Get Better’

The Havoc star explained that he’s had “two knee surgeries now” as well as a herniated disc in his back and sciatica. “And I have that… is it plantar fasciitis?” he added. “Where did that come from? And why? Why?! And I pulled my tendon in my hip as well. It’s like, it’s all falling to bits now, and it’s not going to get better.”

usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/tom-hardy-on-health-struggles-knee-surgeries-and-sciatica/

Body totally destroyed at 47, no longer able to even run if a role calls for it, all so he could pretend to pretend to be a tough guy rolling around on the ground with sweaty dudes "submitting" each other in BJJ.

Big guys are more injury prone the older they get

lol overrated big guy syndrome.
Gets to the best of them

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

i don't think you get plantar fasciitis from bjj anon

He needs to up his thetan levels
At his age, Tom Cruise was still scaling skyscrapers and leaping out of airplanes

BJJ lends itself to injury a lot more than other sports the common man does as a hobby but you really shouldn't be getting this badly injured from it. Probably a mix of going too hard, shitty training partners and not having the humility to slow down once he reached his mid 40s.

Joe Rogan's body is totally broken as well. If you ever see him rushing to use the bathroom during commercial breaks he can barely stand up or walk. "I'm training bro", destroying your body for absolutely nothing, these guys aren't earning a living through fighting. They do it to feel tough, but BJJ is totally cancelled out if your opponent just brings a friend. While you are working on your sweet submission, the friend just comes and kicks you in the head. If these faux tough guys weren't so terrified of getting hit, they could just do an actual combat sport like Muay Thai and their bodies would take 1/10th the damage.

What a pussy. I've got a guy in his 80s in my family who replaced both hips and both knees, and has had back surgery, and he's in great shape. Still active, playing sports and going around fixing stuff up when he's bored.

Does this impact Taboo season 2?

they could just do an actual combat sport like Muay Thai and their bodies would take 1/10th the damage.

and their brains would be dripping out of their ears, unable to remember their kids' names at age 55

tfw drumpf was right about the body being like a battery and work outs draining it

Joe has hundreds of millions, a wife, kids, and he's still destroying his health with HGH just to LARP as a tough guy.

probably doesnt help that he was a drug addict back in the day

NHS care at its finest.

as someone who does bjj there's two things that will ruin your body really fast and they are very obvious

competition and sparring like an aggressive freak past 28. Those are both fast tracks to exploded knees. I'm nearing 30 so I just roll at people's legs, i do low risk k guard/shoulder crunch stuff. There are these guys out there who will instead ALWAYS try to hit really aggressive takedowns and smash into some aggressive top position. Same guys are always complaining about neck, knee, and back issues. And of course competition is the other issue, you are going to get at least some minor injury if you fight at least 2 matches in a day. Thats at least two men in one day trying to throw you across the room. You will get a least a minor injury that day and these will pile up.

That only happens to meatheads who spar at full power daily. If you spar with a guy and he turns out to be a retard who can't pull his punches in sparring, you take a little damage, are fine, and never spar with him again. But in BJJ when you get some retard who goes too far, it ruins your back/joint/neck/whatever for life.

The athleticism of elite professional athletes decline hard after 30. Now imagine how hard a casual Joe’s will plummet

He's short, the problem is that he started training in his 30's and competing in his 40's while Olympic athletes start training in the kindergarten and retire by their 20's

Undertaker and Kurt Angle peaked in their 40's

BJJ is a meme that only works in a controlled setting with a ruleset that protects the BJJ user. Even then it's not great. Unless you're competing in MMA there's no reason to train it .

yes. the best irl mix is kickbox + wrasslin

Carder was shit from his debut to his last match. The only impressive thing about him was that he never ditched that corny gimmick. That cringe should've never been allowed to carry on beyond the early 90s.

I have plantar fascitis on both feet....

bjj slander I can hold my tongue on, as retarded as that already is because countless champs utilize bjj to earn their victories, but leglock slander is when I become activated.

first of all, Than Le, the guy delivering the knockout in your webm, literal defending champion btw, was trained by Ryan Hall, a master leglocker, to avoid the leg locks of garry tonon.

Furthermore, tonon himself was on an absolute tear and thats the only reason he got to fight that guy in the first place. Its so funny how history repeats itself, same thing happened with Ryan Hall. He had an absolute tear, being a weird rolling ball at people's legs, won like 8 fights straight, then fought LITERALLY ILLIA TOPURIA and of course gets knocked out (which you probably already have locked and loaded for your reply), but its so weird how these leglockers can beat like 90% of people they face with a cool and unique style then only once they finally get knocked out by literal S tier fighters, people go "DURR BJJ SPECIALIZATION AND LEGLOCKS DONT WORK"

stupid stupid dumb dumb stupid. Pahlahres, Tonon, Hall, Imanari, Marcin Held, Minowaman, Claudio Puelles, Buchecha, these guys all have impressive performances under their belts

meatheads who spar at full power daily.

frequent light hits to the head are more traumatic than isolated power shots to the head. thinking that light sparring is harmless is what turns guys into drooling retards.

Every single MMA fighter trains BJJ because they have to, otherwise they'd get submitted like clockwork.

All those words just to agree with me that BJJ is a meme that only works in a controlled setting with a ruleset that protects the BJJ user.

i think russell crowe talked with joe rogan on his interview about his injuries and they talked about tom hardy as well, russell crowe takes a couple of injuries for every movie he makes and they stay, the worse being gladiator and cinderella man, which is why he is a fat fuck

tom hardy fucked himself up training for warrior, and others that i can't remember

what about all those fighters I mentioned who make it to literal S tier opponents? Do they just not count because they never hold the belt? You realize a guy who can be a challenger for a belt, let alone a guy who even makes it onto a televised card in UFC or ONE, could eviscerate the average person like 500 times over right? Do you seriously think Garry Tonon wouldnt completely fuck you up? You could probably tell Garry he's only allowed to imanari roll at you over and over and he'd still make you feel like you're fighting an alien, you'd be completely clueless.

Just like Rogan. He plays contact sports and hard drug use doesn't mix well.

Big guy

5'7"

Exactly. Knowing BJJ is a prerequisite to being able to fight competitively. If you don't know BJJ you lose to BJJ practitioners 100% of the time. Meanwhile a BJJ fighter that knows zero boxing or muay thai will still probably win against experts in those disciplines without BJJ experience.

You'll never be a bigger mark for Carder, than he is for himself. Pack it in. You can't win that competition.

ive seen him in real life, he walks kind of bow legged. it looks a mix and physical and the "hard man walk".

he's pretty intense like he wants to stab anyone who looks at him. his wife's nice though and instantly more recognisable as her actress self than him, he really fucked his face up lol

You're STILL talking about bjj in MMA. Even there it's often useless against fighters who refuse to engage in it.

Like, he uses drugs like crack? He seems like a guy who wants to reward himself by being a tough guy.

Idk what that is but every guy who’s a purple belt and above in BJJ has knee and back problems. Every single one. Doesn’t matter if they’re young or old. You are willingly destroying your body to learn how to submit and wrestle people. I know a guy who’s a black belt and he’s 55 and his body is absolutely destroyed. Like his hips and back are ruined. On the other side, we have guys like Mike Ohearn who’s 55 and behind the neck presses 315lbs and squats 500lbs. Because he lifts with proper form and recovers. There is no “proper form” and recovery when you’re doing BJJ, you will always be subjected to awkward unnatural positions that will chip away at your spine and joints.

MMA is the only context it even makes sense to compare combat sports. If you want to debate about "who would win if a boxer fought a wrestler IN DA STREETZ" you're fucking retarded.

Even there it's often useless against fighters who refuse to engage in it.

Fighters who are all trained in BJJ. Also that's not even true. See: Sean Brady vs Leon Edwards.

Plantar fasciitis is an acute pain in your foot, some volleyball player have that.

often useless

You don't watch the sport then, you retard. You must learn wrestling to engage in grappling exchanges with your opponent, and you need to learn bjj to control and submit him. It's not that hard to understand.

Where did you see it?

Body totally destroyed at 47

Does his pee pee still work though?

I'm not saying if one martial artist fought another on the street. I'm saying BJJ is pointless to learn if you're not competing in MMA. You'd have to be a retard to play bjj outside of a controlled setting. Being able to maintain distance is by far the most useful skill when you're forced into a self defense situation.

you get penalties if you try to stall or not engage in competition, and that's what Brendan did.

Exactly, BJJ requires a special ruleset to have any effectiveness. Yeah 1 on 1 you can roll around down on the filthy ground with some crackhead, with their pants full of shit, and "submit" them, but if you go up against anyone with even a little training you are going to be down on the ground butt scooting after them.

And what if someone tackles you? Just take your pants off and present your bussy? Having the most options available to you is optimal.

This went over lots of newfags heads huh

False equivalency. BJJ only works when the opponent knows absolutely nothing about it. The inverse would be a BJJ guy who had no idea punching or kicking existed. In such a theoretical inverse, the BJJ guy would be knocked out cold before he could even perform his first butt scoot.

but if you go up against anyone with even a little training you are going to be down on the ground butt scooting after them.

That's not what happens, you need to have a background to understand how to escape submissions or how to not get taken down. In competitive no-gi you have butt scooters and you also have the main guard players in the gi. But everyone who's good enough in the sport knows how to behave when they're standing. A trained guy can tire you with collar-ties alone, or can take you down and submit you with his subpar wrestling.

It's not even good in that situation. You don't want to be tangled up with somebody on the ground. Disengaging is what you want to do there, and it's wrestling that you want to know to do that most effectively.

IN DA STREETZ

Because we aren't talking about professional fighters, we are talking about idiots like Tom Hardy and Joe Rogan who destroy their bodies "training" for some imaginary scenario where a guy "slaps their girl's butt at da club" and they get to be a tough guy by "submitting" him. In this context, it is absolutely more appropriate to discuss what is more effective "in da streetz"

He's got daddy issues. Knee surgery is an incredibly painful operation btw

Wrestling is all about not having your back on the floor. BJJ teaches you how to not get pinned on the ground, the sole purpose of a guard is to endanger who has the dominant position.

What kind of problems does he have with his father?

Neets stay winning.

knees are in great shape, as they are rarely used

If I pull that tendon will you die?

Because we aren't talking about professional fighters

Then he should have posted a webm of a professional fight?

must be an amerimutt. they fucking yapp like women

Playing in the guard is just begging to get your head stomped by a third party.

No idea, but the way he acts makes it obvious. Also a closeted gay man.

*pulls out gun*
whoa cool moves dude *blam*

Playing with guard might the only way to get out of the situation if there's a third party involved. And if you're facing multiple people, your best option is running, not fighting.

your best option is running

This is why you own a firearm and display it on your hip for all to see. You won't have any problems with hooligans from then on.

He's not gay...or is he?

These BJJ enthusiasts who practice it for self defense rarely consider the reality of actually using it in real life. Take Daniel Penny for example, he had to hug a filthy crackhead with shit crusted pants up against his body for 5 minutes. If Penny had just learned kickboxing, one punch would have put down Jordan Neely, barely even have to touch him. Now what if instead of Neely it was two black teenagers on the subway, while Penny had one down on the ground the other one would come up behind them and kick Penny in the spine. Whereas someone trained in kickboxing could handle several guys almost as easily as he could handle just one. BJJ is a terrible choice for self defense.

You brought up being tackled. There is no self defense scenario where bjj is the optimal choice.

No? If someone has you mounted in wrestling then the match is over. BJJ teaches sweeps and get ups because it's actually a useful thing to knownin the sport. Also wrestling doesn't offer any method of ending a fight, there are obvious scenarios where it's preferable to choke someone unconscious.

holy seethe

there are obvious scenarios where it's preferable to choke someone unconscious

List a few.

plantar fasciitis

you can get it wrestling or boxing, bjj can't be that different

God you are so fucking stupid

you need to have a background

A "background" in reality is just a couple lessons here and there, almost as an afterthought. That's literally all it is for these kickboxers who enter MMA, just takes a couple lessons to learn how to completely negate BJJ, but will take them years to get good at stopping wrestlers.

this guy's never been married

They probably forget how often fights now stall when one fighter gets the backpack position. Can't blame them. We all full asleep when we have to watch those moments of pure bjj.

What if they need to defend themselves from just one guy, on a padded mat, and that guy has never heard of BJJ, doesn't know how to wrestle at all, and isn;t too much bigger than them? Even you must admit that in that situation BJJ is a good choice

Someone has you mounted and they're too heavy to get out from under

Someone is an active threat to not only you, but others in the area and needs to be neutralized

Someone is a threat and you don't wish to cause them permanent bodily harm but escaping is not a viable option

Muay Thai and their bodies would take 1/10th the damage.

Are you fucking kidding me? Those dudes brains usually turn to mush before they are 35

rushing to use the bathroom during commercial breaks

His leaky asshole from all the homosex is the real cause of this. The man has 30 years of “jokes” about shitting himself. It’s IBS or being gay. He had a fag earring back when he looked like a knobgobbler so the mystery is solved. Plus the mystery of why the unfunniest retard could have a career at all.

Nooooo I started trying to fight competitively at 35 years old and I got permanently injured!! how could this happen to me!!

lmao
It feels like joe rogan has cultivated a whole cohort of retarded men with premature midlife crises who think that they can start learning to fight at 30 or 40 years old and they all either get injured or lie about training

t. retard who started bjj and wrestling at 30 years old for a couple of years but escaped with only minor injuries.

It was someone else who said it. But whether if you're a wrestler or a bjj guy, and you get tackled, and there's a third party who wants to stomp you, you're probably getting stomped. But if it's a 1vs1 situation, the bjj guys is more trained to get out of there or even make the guy go to sleep unscathed.
It depends, KB is great because you learn how to kick and can dispatch some bums bc of that, but it's also way easier to take you down. Muay Thai at least gives you some clinch advantages

You can't restrain a woman without choking them unconscious? These bjj stans aren't sending their best.
There are better choices. Some simple boxing would likely cause them to back off quicker.

Someone has you mounted and they're too heavy to get out from under

Wrestling.

Someone is an active threat to not only you, but others in the area and needs to be neutralized

Boxing, kickboxing, or possibly wrestling.

Someone is a threat and you don't wish to cause them permanent bodily harm but escaping is not a viable option

Boxing, or kickboxing.

I'm 36 and my hip is just like

Lose weight and stretch or I'm going to be the first to go. I am not fucking around.

And, yeah. You gotta eat to maintenance, not because it feels/tastes good. Getting out of the childish mentality of "eating what junk I want whenever I want" is the biggest hurdle. Feels like everything else comes easy once you overcome the mental and just tell yourself "It's this, or you continue to deteriorate and die unhappily before you time."

There's nothing wrong with wrassling. But if your body can't take it then dude just stick to fitness. You have nothing to prove to anyone by full-contact grappling into your retirement age. Just look good and feel good.

What? Most kickboxers train exhaustively their takedown defense because they don't want to engage with anyone who can submit them. Just watch Van vs Tsuruya and you'll understand what I'm talking about. You're literally outing yourself as a cazzie.

IRL your're not going to be fighting mostly-naked people in spandex.

If you want to punch a bjj player on the street they're probably going to be able to grab your jacket or your belt or even your t-shirt unless it's very fragile and they're probably goiong to be able to force you into a clinch or wrestling situation.

but you're still right that bjj is not very helpful if you just train for a bjj ruleset and aren't thinking about training the things that would be useful when striking is involved.

You can't restrain a woman without choking them unconscious? These bjj stans aren't sending their best.

Restrain?

what is with all this grabbing shit gonna do in the streets if they can just shove their thumb into your eye sockets and kill you?

lou gossett jr stars in paramount pictures' IF (final film role)

donald sutherland stars in paramount+'s lawmen: bass reeves (final role)

jeremy renner stars in paramount+'s mayor of kingstown (cock's final role)

david lynch produces showtime's twin peaks: the return (final tv project)

henry cavill stars in paramount pictures' mission impossible: fallout (career ending role)

emma watson appears in cbs' pickled (no credits except for an nba appearance in three years)

sophia lillis stars in paramount pictures' dungeons & dragons: honor among thieves (career ending role)

val kilmer stars in paramount pictures' top gun: maverick (final film role)

tom hardy stars in paramount+'s mobland (literally falling to pieces)

that company is cursed

He's not training to become a crime fighter despite this board wishes.

Wrestling

Won't help you at all

Boxing, kickboxing, or possibly wrestling.

Then you risk prison or a lawsuit if you seriously harm them, which is easy to do with strikes. Could even accidentally kill them.

Boxing, or kickboxing.

See above

tfw you will never be able to do this to someone

youtube.com/watch?v=pfO1pOgf4Gk

is seriously nobody gonna talk about how absolutely shit havoc was?

On the other side, we have guys like Mike Ohearn who’s 55 and behind the neck presses 315lbs and squats 500lbs. Because he lifts with proper form and recovers.

He has been on steroids since he was a teenager and is not an athlete just a bodybuilder. Half of the time those Instagram fools might have one or two real plates and the rest are prop (fake) plates. Apples to oranges.

Dude have you never been in a fight in your life? I’m a moderately good boxer at best, only a few amateur fights, but if you grab my shirt with 1, or god forbid 2 hands(leaving yourself defenseless and in range for a split second) you are gonna be unconscious. And let me tell you something else, when street fights go to the ground, shit goes bad fast. For everyone. That’s when someone’s going to the hospital and someone’s going to prison. Heads smashed against concrete. Soccer kicks from the “bystander” that turns out to be a friend of one of the guys. Knives come out, etc. if you think rolling around on concrete with a pissed off stranger in public is a good plan you are super super dumb.

He isn't. Movies just try to make him look big.

For you

Bruvas aren't submitting anyone my dude. Kickboxers train takedown defense extensively not because they are afraid of BJJ but because they are afraid of wrestlers (American and Caucasia) holding them against the fence or down on the ground for the entire fight. They are afraid of wrestles, nobody has been afraid of BJJ butt scooters for over a decade.

We have a few discussions. Consensus was exactly that; shit. And I watched it too. I have zero interest in checking Mobland. Hardy is too far gone

Like his hips and back are ruined

And it's like, what's the point? What does he even have to show for all of that? What is there to be proud of? That under prime conditions he can hug a guy into submission? If his back and stuff is ruined then, all honesty, what is his defense if he ever just gets violently shoved over and his adrenaline takes too long to kick in? Flatfooted fifty year olds hitting unprotected pavement is just asking for problems.

wrestlers are much much better at getting back up on their feet because bjj players spend their time lying on their back rather than trying to get back to their feet.
Anyone who has done bjj knows when he's grappling with a wrestler that it;'s much harder to keep them down.
The thing bjj teaches them to do is to try and sweep or submit from the bottom and try to keep them in a "guard" rather than getting back up to their feet so that is what bjj players practice. the bjj player's first instinct is to accept being taken down and try to sweep or submit.

Also wrestling doesn't offer any method of ending a fight,

throws end fights. also wrestlers, after taking a guy down know a bunch of positions where they're on top and able to ground and pound

there are obvious scenarios where it's preferable to choke someone unconscious.

this is true but it's not very important since wrestlers know how to rear-naked choke someone anyway. They might not do it in the least painful way but they can still do it.

the average bjj gym is goiong to prepare you for self defence much worse than the average highischool and college wrestling program.

if someone tackles you you're better equipped to deal with it if you trained wrestling than bjj.

mobland isnt without problems but its definately watchable, in contrary to havoc.
helen mirren is a really great cunt in it, you just love to hate her.

You have knowledge. That's pretty cool man. I liked reading what you had to say.

Did he just kill that kid

Picking somebody up and slamming them down on the ground like this is banned in BJJ. One of the reasons BJJ doesn't work in real life, because most fights don't take place on a comfy padded mat and the BJJ guy is just going to get his head smashed into the concrete.

Then you risk prison or a lawsuit if you seriously harm them, which is easy to do with strikes. Could even accidentally kill them.

Not if they were defending against an aggressor.

That's why you use Judo which is a mix of stand up throws/defenses and groundwork, fucking retard

That's nice, but we're talking about BJJ.

over 90% of wrestler vs boxer competitions from the early 20th century ended with the wrestler winning btw. look
scientificwrestling.com/public/Before-MMA-1-Wrestlers-versus-Boxers-Even-the-Promoters-Got-into-the-Act.cfm

But in their wake a plethora of mixed boxer versus wrestler contests exploded on the combat sports scene. From main events on wrestling and boxing cards to amateur college, YMCA and even high school programs hundreds and hundreds of these mixed bouts were held, especially during the 1920's and 1930's. Overwhelmingly the wrestler almost always defeated the gloved fighter, although there were exceptions.

see the list at the bottom of the article.
naive wrestling beats naive boxing very easily.

that's the junkie walk fyi

There are different styles in BJJ, it's not a strictly defensive martial art like you seem to think.

throws end fights

And paralyzes/kills. Also try suplexing a 300lb guy that wants to fuck you up.

since wrestlers know how to rear-naked choke

Do you think a wrestler knows how to do a rear naked better than a BJJer would know how to shoot a double leg takedown? Of course there's crossover but that doesn't really change anything.

Not if they were defending against an aggressor

Maybe you'd have a point if we lived in a world with black and white laws. I'd rather choke someone to sleep than break their fucking neck on the pavement.

Maybe you'd have a point if we lived in a world with black and white laws.

Now you're just being pessimistic and moving the goalposts. Boxers can defend themselves with their fists if they're attacked.

Boxing is applicable to less scenarios than BJJ. Self defense is not the only scenario in which a physical confrontation might happen.

If you punch someone out and they die from it, most jurors will recognize it as an accidental death despite the best efforts of the prosecutor. But if you choke someone to death it is a lot easier for a prosecutor to present it as 1st degree intentional murder.

I haven;'t been in a fight, however there are some smaller mma promotion where competitors wear gis and what you're saying occurs does not occur . I think you're imagining a boxer vs an untrained person who tries to grab your shirt rather than a fight between people of similar levels of training.

Let's be real, in our modern society the two most common instances where you'll have to defend yourself will be

A group of black youths attacking you

A black homeless drug addict attacking you

In the first scenario BJJ is completely useless, in the second scenario BJJ will work but it would so fucking nasty having to "roll" with the guy that you'd much rather just knock him out.

Because it's very easy to kill someone with a punch and very hard to unintentionally choke someone to death.

conflating knowing what you're talking about with "yapping like a woman"

you will never be a man

I don't understand the whining. You picked a sport you know is violent. Either stop or shut up.

Boxing is way more applicable if you have the sense of not falling on the floor or going into the ground. Of course, if you do happen to find yourself in that position, and god forbid you are outnumbered, then all bets are off

Professional athletes destroy their bodies though. You can stay fit and healthy all throughout your life if you're not smashing your bones against other men.

I haven;'t been in a fight

NTA, but shut the fuck up.

all men want to be van damme and kick ass.

If you're outnumbered you're almost certainly fucked anyways. I don't know why this argument is always used. The odds of you knocking out 5 guys at once like prime Mike Tyson are astronomically low.

there are literal videos of people utilizing bjj in street fights, yes your back can get scratched up on the pavement, still works tho. Something as simple as an arm drag to a rear naked choke has ended fights on subways, and thats jiu jitsu.

yes, everyone agrees bjj competition where people are doing no contact guard pulls are lame, however many bjj competitive environments are always moving away from that, many even have rules about having to engage. Modern aggressive no-gi can be very fun to watch.

And this is all aside from the fact that the stuff just fucking works in mma. You come off as a bit of a combatlet so you have this warped idea that because you cant just win every single mma fight with jiu jitsu, that means it has some glaring flaw or hole that only suits it competition, when in reality, not only do people win by being specialists, but when it "doesnt work" thats because EVERYONE in that setting has some level of training in the art, you are letting that warp your view.

When someone gets out of a ninja choke in the octagon, you are thinking "wow lmao that shits stupid ninja chokes dont work bjj is a joke" when what you should really be thinking is "that guy's opponent just countered a ninja choke and he had to learn how to do that, and 99% of the planet would be unconscious if they were in his position"

In a sane society guns would be legal for every citizen. Fuck learning how to fight in a life or death situation I want a gun.

In a sane society you wouldn't need guns because no one would behave like a chimp on acid.

eh there are situations inbetween being swarmed by jamal and his merry men and being attacked by homeless people. you can be at a party and a fight breaks out, you can be at a bar and a drunk idiot starts some shit.

I mean even if one of your homies decides to wrassle ya, its good to not look like a defenseless baby/weak woman. it also builds confidence and is a good workout

The odds of you knocking out 5 untrained guys is pretty high. The odds of you submitting even 2 untrained guys is 0. His friend is ALWAYS going to fuck you up while you are trying to get your choke in.

The odds of you knocking out 5 untrained guys is pretty high

Absolutely deluded

Sounds like you think imagined fantasies matter more than data from hundreds of actual fights of people wearing clothes trying to incapacitate each other who didn't get automatically knocked out when they grabbed the other person's clothes, on the contrary , most of these fights feature successful throws and takedowns following grabbing the other person's clothes rather than ending with just striking.

ITT: Blue belt who can't admit 90% of his training is literally useless. You know that Helio's record as fighter was pretty much 50/50 right? And that a lot of elite level BJJ guys got mauled badly on the floor in the early days by guys who literally knew nothing about BJJ and never trained it? Matt Hughes beat the ever loving fuck out of a BJJ black belt before he even started training with Miletich. Spare me the bullshit, BJJ doesn't have a monopoly on the guard position and a lot of guys get real far by just knowing some defensive basic on the floor. I didn't even bother taking the low hanging fruit of Saku or Barnett winning IBJJF No Gi then getting robbed in gi. Simmer down buddy, I train it too and being this much of a meat rider isn't a good look.

bro just learn martial arts or something and start grappling a guy if he comes at you

True both those situations are just ego. You want to be the big man and choke out some asshole. It's not life or death though. The life or death scenarios are almost always blacks wilin out.

Thanh Le literally trained with Ryan Hall for this fight

discombobulate

kek

There are tons of videos of one guy who can box knocking out multiple guys who can't, including that one video of Mike Stoklasa in the parking lot that always gets posted.
youtube.com/watch?v=HMRLAURw4Ro