It was FOOKEN 6/10

this is just you misunderstanding it. the incel stuff wasn't uniquely responsible it was a mix of things, it was that, it was him uncritically modeling himself after his dad with obvious anger issues, it was the bullying, all leading him to a view of seeing women and girls as less than him, and ready to lash out when he gets rejected by them.

Ive seen, in person, parents of young kids blame snapchat and social media for it as if they had no control over their kids' internet usage. girls are being killed? abused? where is this? they never give examples.

the show literally continuously directs you to it being the parent's fault, he only cares about talking about his dad, he trusts his dad over any of them, and his dad is shown to have the exact same anger issues he clearly is expressing and that lead to him killing the girl.

it would've been kino if Eddie killed his bitch wife and daughter and then went in there to get Jamie out Hot Fuzz style

but we never see his dad act on his violent impulses and even when described, Jamie finds it funny. everything we see of the dad shows him as a harmless, patient man who loses his rag when pushed to his absolute limits

Roight. Imagine this lad. There I was, bloody six in the morning, still in my pants. I’d barely started stirring, just started thinking about given the ol’ ball and chain a roight propa seein’ ter, WHEEEY, then the bloody gestapo is kicken me front door down. Guns ‘n all lads, guns n’ bloody all. It was like a Michael Bay flick. Like bloody Die Hard or sumfink. I had no idea what wuz happening and why. They take my boy Jay away. Tell me he’s a bloody incel. Wot the fock is an incel? ‘Parrently he’s nevver had a shag the copper said. As well he should nae ave, he’s turteen years of age.

But wot they said, roight, was that they can tell he’s never gonna get his end away. N’ that made him a threat. That took the wind right out me sails, cos obviously even I wasn’t spunking in anything more than sock when I was Jay’s age, but two years later and I was getting sticky fingers on the regular if you catch my drift. Few months later I met the wife Susan and it was a red letter event if you know what I mean. WHEEEEY! Now they’ve taken him and locked him up. Too bloody right if he really is what they say, but I just can’t figure why it has to be so soon. Turteen years of age. My bellend was still right proper small back then. I hadn’t grown into it. Would I ave been an incel back then? Would they have locked me up? Who’d have fixed the bloody loos if they locked me up? It boggles the mind lad. I juss can’t wrap me hed aroun’ it. Reckon I need a pint or three. Pop down local. See if the footies on. Fukkin hell.

but we never see his dad act on his violent impulses

but that's the thing you don't have to, your kids mirror your behaviour and don't have the same ability to regulate as you so it's often worse, not to mention we do when he throws the kid and his bike.

even when described, Jamie finds it funny

that's the issue though, he uncritically wants to be like his dad and takes the worst traits from him because he thinks it will make him more of a man, instead of seeing it as bad he saw it as funny.

Yes but when a group of (white) local yoofs have a go at the dad, he doesn’t just take their humiliation ritual in good faith. Instead of just bowing down to these literal children, and letting them assume full control in a lord of the flies style society, he stands up for himself, his right to have his property left alone, and his reputation. And we can’t bloody have that. Non crime hate incident material that. He should’ve taken it on the chin.

He should have taken everything on the chin, clapped like a trained seal, and gone to his job fixing toilets - which was already low enough in social hierarchy - completely happy to have graffiti on his van which publicly accused him of child sexual abuse. That’s why he’s toxic. Those children were smaller than him, and there brains weren’t fully formed yet, so the dad has to to wait till they’re 25 for their to be any justice, all the while he ages and becomes more feeble, all the while a new batch of kids take over threatening him.

They stay the same age. He gets older. And more importantly, infirm. Eventually one of them get him, as perceived revenge for an offence he never committed. Frontier justice in the burrough. This is the plan, as it is writ. Resist it, and the powers that be will fucking annihilate you. You racist white man.

inner cities.

well shot.
mostly well acted.
horribly written.
worth watching once, if only for the technicals.

Absolutely fucking nailed it.

I know that's what the show was saying but I just don't buy it. Like of course the dads gonna be raging with all the shit he's going through. It's the kind of otherization of standard male behavior the show seems to be against in one moment and fully supportive of in the next. And they all act like this kids from mars cause he lost his temper and did something schewpid cause of bullying, when it's totally understandable

not to mention we do when he throws the kid and his bike

Absurdly dishonest. The graffiti on the car (parked in the driveway of the house where his wife and other child live), is a threat. Grabbing someone, yelling them, and shaking them isn’t the same thing as plunging a knife into them multiple times. The kid was sick in a way his dad wasn’t. That’s why he was able to con his dad into being on his side right up until the tape showed the truth. They aren’t the same problem at different levels. They’re different problems. Righteous indignation and a clumsy attempt at self advocacy, ruined by high stress levels doesn’t spring from the same place cold blooded murder does. The kid ended up where he belonged, but the entire point of the last episode was despite the fact the dad didn’t do anything nearly as wrong, he was emotionally bearing the brunt of it. The empaths burden. All he needs to do is dehumanise his monster of a kid, but he can’t do it. Meanwhile, his kid’s voice hasn’t even dropped and he’s already well and truly dehumanised everyone, the evil little fucker.

anti white working class propaganda drops just as politicians are debating tighter restrictions on content they don't like

Kids that cocky don't fail to score.

He's 13

Turteen years of age my son, and alreddy a bloody incel. God I’ve had a hell of a day. I need a bloody pint down the crown.

normal people just call the police and have it handled not

shake the kid down

throw paint all over their own fucking car in anger

throw the paint bucket across the parking lot

threaten to fight a minwage employee when he tells you to clean up the paint and bucket you just threw across the parking lot

relent when your wife and daughter beg you to get back in the van

anyway it's not just that scene even how his kid describes him is indicative of him having anger issues and the kid not seeing a problem with it
again it's not one issue the show is trying to blame it on, it's a mix of things. IRL murders are the same, most aren't just evil psychopaths, they're just people who are the sum of their environment, same way the kid was in the show

The police would do fuck all. You clearly haven’t been through this kind of shit, and you’re talking out your arse.

at the very least you have to admit the rest was a little over the top? ruining your own shit and throwing paint everywhere then chimping out at a random employee seems a little crazy

out of touch tate/redpill

How are they out of touch? He's got millions of incel followers who all say that shit

There was a noble person of color protecting the therapist

They closed down the crown, mate. Bengalis didn't like it, yeah? Just 'ave a pint at home with the missus

In Britain and American cities black people use social media to threaten each other and eventually kill each other over regional/community beefs and then they post videos on YouTube with songs about how they murdered their "opps". In America theyll post videos of the shootouts on whatever negro underground social media they use. It's Dril in the UK and just normal black hijinks in especially Chicago

Yeah, the media wants you to think that it’s a massive issue that young men are being indoctrinated into killing women by the ‘right wing’ boogeyman and that it’s an endemic problem throughout Britain when in reality it’s just a sad bunch of young adolescents that are lost and confused shitposting online because they’ve been told all their lives by shrill harpies and beta simps that they’re evil for having been born with a cock.

The show is an obvious bought and paid for hit piece because they’ve so accurately portrayed what a shitshow the British state education system is but then immediately nosedive into a cartoonish and out of touch portrayal of a liberal wet dream strawman.

young white men are moving rightward because decades of leftism has failed them and they won't fight in the wars we have planned

should we finally address their concerns, or grind them down some more?

Am I the only one who had no sympathy for him at all? The kid just seemed like a psycho to me and the 'triggers' were so pathetic as to be meaningless. Oh no I'm bad at sport and my dad's embarassed, better stab a girl to death.

Yeah not sure why everyone is ranting about it

I give it five fookin paki bastards out of ten

It made my dick hard.

this guy understands British life

He was the one being raped by that pervert with all her questions of sexual nature. It was actually kinda hot.

"Jamie, do you know what an adult vulva looks like?"

"Would you like me to show you?"

PURE PROPAGANDA
RIGHT INTO MY VEINS

Yeah he chimped out because his entire community was targeting him. It wasn’t a good choice, but in his position, he didn’t have any good options.

I want to call you a schizo but honestly that's spot on. I know that child protection laws are there to stop violent parents from hurting and killing their children, but we need to come up with some proper way to discipline children who terrorize others.

She had a job to do. If it wasn’t her it had to be someone else. Same as the cops who rounded him up. He was a gormless fuckwit to think he could get away with stabbing his classmate to death. If he didn’t want to be locked up, he should have fucking behaved.

its another ‘I’m on so much drugs and cough syrup im literally brain damaged and can barely speak but I did murder my friend for no reason’ song

Very redundant genre

I haven't watched this but from everything I've seen this show is a combination of

out of touch midwits thinking incels are the driving cause of youth violence in the uk

out of touch midwits lumping in generic manosphere stuff with what is clearly just dangerous mental illness

with a healthy dose of nonsensical propaganda about incels being 'le bad'

wrapped in a healthy coating of misery porn that tricks the average viewer into thinking the show is profound just because a bunch of horrible shit happened in it (it made me feel bad so it must be a masterpiece!) even though it actually has nothing to say

Also wtf happens with the female therapist?
But yeah, is that essentially it? If I'm wrong tell me and I'll go watch it

didn't watch the show so tell me if I'm wrong but how is asking a 13 year old boy if he's seen a woman's vulva before at all relevant to an ongoing murder investigation

I disagree. I think it’s superbly written. The thing that’s getting in the way for you,
I suspect, is your morals. Adolescence isn’t about the way things should be. It’s about the way things are.

It shines an absolutely unrelenting light on how bad things, and the inescapable nature of the future decline. Is it a propaganda piece? Yes, absolutely it is. But that is why it is important. Even more so, that is why it will be important, if, and I am not being hyperbolic, it survives in a watchable state, and those with the faculties necessary to understand it’s statement both survive and get their hands on it.

Britain’s foundations have cracked, the fall has began, and the damage is so severe that it cannot be halted. A nation in free fall. This is a nation that regularly takes it young virgin girls, and feeds them to a slavering dragon.

Not just a nation, but the nation which headed the empire that had the most effect on the world. A sphere of influence that is itself receding. What will remain, once it is entirely fallen to Shariah? The elite intelligentsia who assume they will keep control will be shocked when the inevitable militia rounds them up and executes them.

As one by one, these civilised places fold and fall, everywhere will become like South Africa, after land reclamation. The old technology, culture, it will all fall to the wayside. As species, we will forget to do what we can do now. What a privilege, to see how it ends. If you take it as what it is, a cold hand around your neck compelling you to join the dirge, then Adolescence is a masterpiece. The most honest production I’ve watched in a while.

It didnt show anything good i would have liked to see something sadistic maybe with the boy raping the girl until she died and then mutilating the body something like that but we didnt get anything what gay producers

She was trying to understand the motivating factors behind why he did it. The conversation eventually leads into him admitting he had tried to ask her out and being rejected, inferring he "male raging" her to death. So I suppose asking him if he'd seen vag is relevant to this case, but honestly, what kids entering puberty aren't interested in sex and relationships.

oh cheer the fuck up you soppy retard, this show is not an accurate assessment of any kind of reality. It's misery porn with no real point.

I'm actually amazed at how the show managed to spark such debates when it barely touches these topics. It's getting all the atention with the least effort put into it.

There's a very short and shallow dialogue on what the kid considers to be "masculine behaviour" but just when it's getting interesting the writers decided to have him throw a tantrum and go completely out of character threatening the therapist.

NTA but the dialogues in episode two and three felt forced as hell to me. Not sure if it was the script or the performances but something was off.

It’s a frame of reference, to work out where his mindset was, what his motivation for the attack was. She was trying to determine if it was a sexually based attack. Which it wasn’t, but you can’t be sure unless you press someone, challenge their worldview even in regular, voluntary therapy.

Normally yes, a grown woman discussing vulvas and vaginas and clitorises with a boy as young as he is would be a absolutely unacceptable. But he had butchered another child, and in doing so, voided his rights. That’s the point I was making. If Jamie didn’t want to be confined and analysed against his will, he could have made different decisions. There’s absolutely no way he could expect any different outcome than what he got.

I was gonna call it AI but it isn't. This is too incoherent for AI slop.
Half of it is rambling about Islam and praising the show for it despite it having nothing to do with demographics or religion.
Opposite, actually

It’s an accurate assessment of the skewed vew of reality that is going to bring everything down around us. Not how things would be if they were left alone, but about how the powers that be have decided they must be, come fire and come flood.

Oh, right. Yes. Every single character speaks like they’re fundamentally broken, because they all are, and they’re all intended to be, and written as such. It’s a mask off moment. This is you. That’s what they’re saying.

eh that makes sense. I'm reading through the plot summary on wikipedia, just from this I don't see how the show really has anything to with inceldom besides pure aesthetics. The underlying causes of the murder, primarily, are that the kid is clearly some kind of sociopath spurred by a terrible school environment to do some horrible things, the incel stuff just seems to be an ideology he happened to pick up on. Seems to me basically like the underlying story could've been identical without the incel stuff and they just tacked that stuff on to be 'topical and relevant'. Again maybe I'm missing something from just the plot summary but I don't see how the main message here is anything beyond "sociopaths exist, fucked up environments exist, and when you combine them bad things happen", that shit applies to literally any time and place in human history.

I would agree with you when it comes to the dude being arrested, punished, etc, but there's not much point to ask him questions like that, although from what I've read just now it seems like the whole point of the therapist scene is that he's fucking with her as much as she's fucking with him and the whole thing is meant to be chaotic and irrational which explains the retarded questions

Again, a valid criticism. I think it’s a perspective thing. You guys want something that acknowledges the human condition, which is the classical mark of artistic success, right?

This show is open about the dehumanising conditions of modernity. Submit to Islam and die. Not or die. The time for bargaining is well and truly over.

It was refreshingly honest. And I really do appreciate that it looks like we might almost be done circling this drain. When it happens to you, all of you anons, put your back to the nearest wall and fight. Valhalla awaits us. Maybe it’s just an idea to cling to. But it’s all I have left.

you're incredibly annoying

You’re naive. The world in which you grew up is already dead and gone. If you can’t even accept that for what it is, then what can you do?

yeah well you can be a mopey wanker about it or you can crack on with your life, you choose

Say this to a shitskin though and you’re a racist. If they even get locked up of course.

I lost my innocence at 15 when I had my first drink and had sex for the first time. Before that all I could think of was naruto and my nintendo gamecube

The absolute meme of choice. The lowest common denominator won’t allow it. That’s why my favourite plot point is the kids who hound the dad. We’ve successfully been turned against our own kin.

Honestly, I love the rabid baby faced zoomalpha white killer. Those of you who think the white race might make a stand are at least a decade behind.

Well shot and good performances
But the whole incel manosphere shit was so out of touch and ridiculous, it’s comical
The fact that he’s 13 years old and an “involuntary celibate” is dumb enough

Uh yeah. That’s why it’s kino. Was it not clear enough for you when they let his nog accomplish go scott free?

ME OWN FOOKIN SON BLACKPILLED, ME OWN BLOOD!

Well, you gotta start somewhere

My boy, roight, only me own bloomin’ lad yeah? E’s in a discord group. For men’s empowerment. Breaks my fokkin ‘eart it does.

some kind of sociopath

the point of the story is that he's not that he just chimped out

like the entire show very explicitly shows him as both a victim and perpetrator, someone who deserves empathy but was still a piece of shit, not some emotionless evil monster. It's unironically more sympathetic than even ER's own manifest makes himself seem. very sympathetic look at a kid turned into a misogynistic murderer at a young age by devaluing women and feeling too much pressure to have sex at such a young age
the vulva was to see his motivations and state of mind, he was clealy way too invested in feeling like he needed to have sex and be with girls at a young age, it was spurred by him posting porn models on his instagram

this was. so fucking, annoying to, read. well done.

E's bin watchin sum o'dem roight wing extremists and dey bin tellin 'im to exercise and eat 'ealthy... ME OWN FOOKIN KIDDO MOGGIN ME!

Is episode 4 worth watching? I feel like I got the gist

it is yeah it's less about him and more his family and how they're taking it, but it's a good episode

A NONCE!?

ME OWN FOOKIN VAN... A NONCE

I FOOKIN LOVED THAT VAN AND ITS A NONCE

What's up with UK and, in some degree, Australian media that portraits these interesting aspects of society, its often well done and stylized, but when it comes to address or take positions regarding any kind of real life controversial societal issue, it either pretends its not there, disguises as something else entirely or misses the point entirely?

I fookin loved it mate. I even downloaded The Virtues (2019), the other Stephen Graham show also written by the same guy as Adolescence. currently on episode 2 and it's pretty good, would recommend.

I don’t remember mr inbetween taking a stance on anything

out of touch tate/redpill references are hilariou

To us yes, but we are terminally online
The crowd this is meant for, those references make sense

The virtues is good this is shite

Is "incel" just a go-to insult word for loser teens, now? Whether the implication is that they're actual incels or just losers.

Like when were kids it was "gay", whether it was clearly an effeminate guy or just riling someone up, or just banter.

The cop seemed to acknowledge it in this sense: it's the kids getting bullied who are being called this term. And he gets the teenage struggles/experience. It isn't just "the ick" right off the bat.

I want you to know I appreciated this.

It means "nerd". Like an actual nerd, since "nerd" got co-opted as a thing around the time the MCU and the Big Bang Theory were big, and every normie decided they wanted to be a nerd now.
Suddenly the old Comic Book Guys had to be shunted into a whole other category.

this taps onto part of why I hate this modern obsession with changing our language to be 'kinder' and 'more inclusive', language is obviously important but changing the connotation of "nerd" from bad to good doesn't change the fact that dorky loners will perpetually be a thing in high school that the hierarchy will find new ways of insulting

We're going off on a tangent, but I don't see the co-opting of "nerd culture" as a kind thing at all.
I was there at the time, and it really did feel like the bullies from when I was a kid were showing up yet again, to take from me the one thing that was kind of mine, which was being a "nerd". Being a part of the fan communities for science fiction, fantasy, and video games etc.
They took it all, they ruined it, they told me I wasn't welcome anymore, and they called me a Nazi. It was traumatic. I was younger and stupider, and I didn't understand what was happening.

It's just weird when the neological already has a specific meaning, so you broaden/shift it.

I get it with something like retard or idiot: medical term, then everyday term or misapplied, insult, considered offensive, quietly dropped. But then you come up with replacements that hit the same note.

Even just lonely sad/angry men has been a problem since time immemorial, why group them in with he same ones who hate women and even harm/kill people? Like you're shaming a lot of perfectly innocent people who don't feel great about life, and that's going to lead to actual mental health issues. Support them.