Why is wolf hall so fucking good? I had a negative view of period pieces because of shit like Bridgerton, the borgias, the tudors. Wolf Hall just feels mature like nothing else in its genre, it's neither flashy nor indulges in spectacle for its own sake. All the characters are portrayed with such nuance and empathy, as if it doesn't want to pass judgment from our modern sensibilities. The acting and tone has this naturalistic touch to it that is uncommon in a genre where you expect theatrical excess.
Why is wolf hall so fucking good? I had a negative view of period pieces because of shit like Bridgerton...
Is that saint thomas more?
Havent seen but im gonna guess because its not primarly targeted at women which turns shows phony and gay
Cromwell
They look the same
That's thomas cromwell with Henry viii
Probably because it's based on a trilogy of great books
thanks for the recommendation
I mean it does, ultimately, sympathize with Cromwell over everyone else (I haven't seen season 2 yet, don't know how the monastery pillaging is shown there)
They (book and the show) even make up a narrative that he wanted to avenge Wolsey and destroy the people who ousted him. Which, historically, was not the case.
Isn't this the show where it's very accurate and british in season 1 then they took a long hiatus and season 2 is filled with brown and black aristocrats?
I was surprised that the source material it's based on was written by a woman because it has no forced feminist shit lmao
Yeah. Yeah it appears to be so.
I heard that writing at least didn't do a dive.
come on bro let me get a divorce it's for the good of England
>no
what was his fucking problem? no wonder they killed him
the source material is real life
Kek
ahhh europeans, the only people on earth who are not allowed to be a people or have a history
They (book and the show) even make up a narrative that he wanted to avenge Wolsey and destroy the people who ousted him.
I mean that's just one factor. He has other motivations too which are treated a bit better in the S2.
I think it could've easily portrayed wolsey's enemies as evil villains but it really doesn't.
filled with brown and black aristocrats?
It's just background characters with no consequence. The creators had no other choice. The unions won't let you film otherwise in this day and age. Just shows how the woke dei has hijacked the industry between the seasons.
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I like the ost
Not very close, Holbein depicts much more bile.
How can I not sympathize with Cromwell when he's performed by Mark Rylance kek
its not primarily targeted at women
Oh it is though, it might be the best attempt a woman has made at writing serious dialogue but it will only fool middlebrows.
Ok what's a historical show aimed at smart men then
I'll never tell.
nogs = no watchie sorry I dont care why jews put niggers in things i simple wont watch.
Borgias
John Adams.
it's neither flashy nor indulges in spectacle for its own sake
That just filtered a lot of people. People actually thought s1 was boring and they couldn't get the required funding for s2. They actually had to convince the actors to work for less. That's why it took a decade for s2 to come out. It's a miracle s2 even exists and yet people like him complain about irrelevant roles being black.
You can't be fucking series
It's always written from that perspective though, never digs in deep, it's full of wry intimations that seem clever and surprising at the time but appear shallow later on.
Look at this disgusting little sewer dwelling child raping big nosed kike rat trying to normalize putting niggers in white historical shows.
I also really like the lighting in pretty much every scene of the show. Granted, they were allowed into a fuck ton of authentic and historic buildings, so they were doing half of the work for them, but still.
The fact that nothing is washed out, all rooms are filled with natural lighting sources, and no one was embarrassed about it to smear post-processing all over it.
I'm not trying to normalize anything, you dumb fucking retard. Blame the game, not the player and in the case the player at least had the decency to not make cromwell Le enlightened black guy.
Your jew lies have no power here moshe, go back to your sewer and leave this board in peace.
Bridgerton is not a period piece, is it? It's more like a play with vaguely ye olde englando painted on
They actually had to convince the actors to work for less.
Rylance is the real shit man
I don't know. The fact that a woman wrote Anne Boleyn as an opportunistic cunt that played the game of political courting and lost it because her womb was not up to par with her cunning, instead of a pure-as-snow martyr and a darling that didn't want to hurt anybody like she usually is some kind of puzzling mystery for me.
I always thought Bri''ish women had an unceremonious consensus that Boleyn dindu nuffin.
Well you're onto something because they do save the best for last and it sidles up to it well enough. I forget the basis of the whole subplot with the musician but remember it having a nice arc. Kosminsky should be named as a potential Bond director on the basis of this series. I doubt they'll use him even if they were to let a second unit shoot all the action scenes, but they should think about it. I would still watch S2, but still expect to laugh somewhat.
Anything not involving Henry VIII and his wives directly sucks. Cromwell is so uninteresting.
Cromwell is directly involved with both Henry and his wives.
He is not just some guy whose story orbits them in a parallel. He rises due to them, and he is killed because of them.
It's up there with I, Claudius and Shogun for me. Was happy as a pig in shit when season 2 came out
Why is wolf hall so fucking good?
I also got the impression it's good from a clip but it has niggers in it.
It's up there with Moonraker and Live and Let Die for me.
There are multiple subplots in the series like Cromwell feeling sad about Wosley, or trying to get married, or interacting with his crew, or where he is seemingly in love with Jane, or where he finds his daughter ect which are a complete bore. And in basically making this sympathetic fanfic character rather than adapting the ruthless Machiavellian type Cromwell probably was we are robbed of a really engaging downfall, which is completely unsatisfying in S2, we don’t even actually see his execution.
I, Claudius
Fuck yeah
I don't understand people who say hbo's rome is the best rome related tv series
s if it doesn't want to pass judgment from our modern sensibilities.
The entire show and novel are nothing but revisionist nonsense by some fat Guardian-reading cunt that portrayed Stm Thomas Moore as evil because he stood in the way of the Reformation that turned Bonglans into to globohomo hellhole it is today. Cromwell in contrast is written as anachronistically modern to be sympathetic to the liberal white women that love this slop.
anachronistically modern
Bro he was a Renaissance man
So was Moore, but they made him the villain to fit their narrative
adapting the ruthless Machiavellian type Cromwell probably was
Except this all just supposition and in reality Cromwell's actual motives remain to this day an interpretable mystery. If you take at face value all his actions then it would be power for sake of it. Even monastery busting. There isn't much character there. Look at Tudors for results.
And I don't really understand why are you pretending that his scheming is not in the show because he suddenly has motives and thinly veiled backstory.
No, he wasn't. Moore was your average catholic cuck. They don't really shown him as uniquely evil or anything. He just did what Catholics did back in the day and if anything he was portrayed as committed to his principles.
he stood in the way of the Reformation that turned Bonglans into to globohomo hellhole it is toda
Liar. The Catholic Church has always been globohomo (universalist and internationalist), the English Reformation was a nationalist revolution that gave more power to the national government of England.
His scheming is essentially that he’s in love with a bunch of the women, they’re sort of in love with him, and he’s just this nice protestant man trying to hold the realm together. If you think that was feasibly what was going on with the real Cromwell I don’t know what to tell you. It’s the raw material of a lot of other historical drama slop except the big set pieces are handled quite well so it masks it. Oh, and literally all the politics outside of the marriages are completely retarded.
Moore was one of the most educated men of his day and was praised by Erasmus.
Destroy centuries of learning and culture held by the monasteries.
Sell everything to jews and freemasons later
Yeah, the Reformation worked out great for England.
It’s kino. Series 2 was a bit of a step down but still great. I’m still thinking about that final scene
Not a revolution if it is done from the top down.
Well, it managed to last almost 50 posts before it turned into catholic vs protestant shit flinging.
Thomas Moore as evil
He is the antagonist in the story from Cromwell's perspective but no, he really isn't portrayed as fundamentally evil in the way Cromwell has been traditionally. The scene in which he teaches his daughter Greek especially was clearly meant to make the modern viewer sympathetic to him. If you have a problem with him being depicted as having suspected heretics executed well, take it up with Sir Thomas himself, because he actually did that.
People would rather let their biases create some fake version of the show to get mad about than actually discuss a great series
great series
It's costume slop for women.
nice protestant man trying to hold the realm together
Not even close to what is shown. Again just because he feels guilty about burning Boelyn to the ground and torturing and manipulating confessions out of people doesn't mean he is absolved by both narrative, not condeming does not mean it's trying to portray him as "nice."
Just because you are shown his life beyond court doesn't defuse his scheming there in anyway.
Oh, and literally all the politics outside of the marriages are completely retarded
You mean none existing? The show never pretends that it's anything other than another pantomime on Henry's harem just through Cromwell's perspective.
Midwit's folly to dismiss everything as slop when someone creates historical fiction that gives human thoughts and doubts to a character that wasn't allowed to have them by standards of history is pretty ironic. I bet you'd say the same shit about A Man For All Seasons, would you?
Yeah, the Reformation worked out great for England.
Yes it gave wealth and power to a national government, while taking it away crom a globalist institution. Neither jews nor freemasons existed in England at the time. You're a dumb and dishonest liar.
That's not what a revolution means.
I'm neither a Protestant nor a Catholic and I call out lies among all christcucks, like in this case I do with kiketholics.
Freemasonry existed in Tudor England and the Regormation turned England into a globalist country. Globohomo only exists because of the Reformation
I enjoyed season 1 but season 2 was a bit too much of the same for me. The acting is superb though it's a shame that Hill passed away since his replacement couldn't fill his shoes. Rather jarring that season 1 had zero blacks, Arabs and Indians in it just for season 2 to put them everywhere. Glad they recast Holland too, hard to take him seriously.
He is nice, as in, the actions he undertook were in service to the realm, not for personal gain, which is an explicit choice the author took in crafting the character which likely isn’t the reality, and regardless isn’t even the narratively interesting choice.
Just because you are shown his life beyond court doesn't defuse his scheming there in anyway.
Where did I write that? It’s just very dull and boring.
You mean none existing? The show never pretends that it's anything other than another pantomime on Henry's harem just through Cromwell's perspective.
No, actually, there are at certain points panic over a Franco-Habsburg invasion, the Tudors actually being overthrown by the ‘Plantagenet families’, the Pilgrimage of Grace.
Midwit's folly to dismiss everything as slop when someone creates historical fiction that gives human thoughts and doubts to a character that wasn't allowed to have them by standards of history is pretty ironic.
If you seriously think just making Cromwell be in love with Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn and Mary and Jane Seymour and virtually every female characters in the show is complex writing then you are the midwit. I’’m actually requesting they making him into the protestant ideologue, ambition driven man he was in real life. An actual human bring. But the writer wasn’t competent enough to do that.
gets called out on being a liar
doubles down on his lies
Freemasonry existed in Tudor England
There is barley any evidence that freemasory existed before the 18th century, and it is not clear when the transition from mason guilt to freemasons secret society took place.
and the Regormation turned England into a globalist country. Globohomo only exists because of the Reformation
As I already showed you this is the opposite of the truth. It was Catholics who wanted to import their shitty religion everywhere on the globe not Protestants, who often wanted just more national autonomy. I know what I'm asking is impossible for Christians to do but try to be honest for once in your life, and stop lying.
Also the Catholic Church had always been the greatest ally of the jews.
S2 has too many flashbacks. They even had flashbacks to things that happened that same episode.
isn’t even the narratively interesting choice
Completely disagree. Making it personal only to evolve it into doubt and regret that he allowed Henry to take this far, yet still continuing to be his pen and sword is a very interesting angle.
I don't know if you noticed but the show is brimmed with sense of foreboding for Cromwell at every step, in each person he gets rid of he sees his own future that is both inevitable and uncertain.
I think ending of season 1 and the hug with Henry exempfies it as well as it can possibly be shown.
certain points
Pretty much. "Certain points" that are glossed over without much introspection, because that's not what the show is about.
Cromwell be in love with Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn and Mary and Jane Seymour and virtually every female characters in the show
Now that's reading way too into things. In what way was he in love with Boelyn? Because they had that one conversation near the window that was pretty much "well we did it?"
Being polite and courteous so that people like him despite being a known snake in the grass is literally his character trait.
What do you think "Cromwell you are such a person" refers too.
they making him into the protestant ideologue
Tudors did. And suprise, it didn't make him interesting or actually human, the only way they even edge it there was to make Henry beat him every episode.