It's a stannis scene

No. It is physically impossible for him to burn Shireen because she's up at a castle at the wall and he's off stuck in the snow near Winterfell, because only a retard brings their sole heir along on their winter war campaign. What's likely planned to happen is the mother, who IS a religious fanatic nutjob who cares more about her stillborn sons that she keeps in jars than her living daughter, is going to end up allowing Melly to burn the kid to save her husband and bring him victory in battle. Then when Stannis finds out about it he'll kill his batshit crazy wife (Nissa Nissa) and cause Melly to flee but then give up, because there's no point in fighting any more when there's no heir to the throne and he'll blame himself for not keeping his daughter safe from Melly and her zealots.

He'll tick off all the points on the checklist for being Azor Ahai but Melly's a retard and so of course he's not really Azor Ahai, just a poor fuck she fucked over by trying to shape him to fit the hole she wanted.

which revives Jon

Nah man, there's no way he's getting fully revived. If he did then the show wouldn't have ended with him returning to the Lands of Always Winter for no fucking reason at all. They did that because in the books he'll warg back into his own corpse like Coldhands, needing to stay where it's always cold to not rot away. D&D just couldn't figure out a new ending for him and so stuck with the one GRRM told them despite changing how he was revived.

Renly is not canonically gay in the books

I got so mad at that I posted about it on Facebook

wtf yes he is..

he isn't

This is true

No he isn't. It's a slander about him

Oh man, those early season threads where bookfags with no reading comprehension was reeing about D&D turning Renly gay were fucking glorious.

lmao, he literally fucks twink loraas. you're delusional

what's the pg number?

you're supposed to think he's zesty, but there's no actual proof in the books

get fucked weirdos. literally trying to pretend renly wasn't gay lmao wtf is wrong with you. you're so mindbroke

ShatGPT

I asked a robot that lies to impress me to tell me what I already think is true, and it did!

no one cares FAGGOT

stupid mindbroke retard who can't fucking read

uuuh unless it's stated directly to me by the writer then there's no proof!

Classic case of no reading comprehension!

itt a bunch of people who read a thread on Anon Babble about how D&D turned renly gay, and bought into it

stupid mindbroke faggots

All that proves is they are close friends, and the fact that Renly marries Loras' sister confirms it.
There's literally no bumming going on in the books

lmao. this is me laughing at your retarded ass. how young are you

are you trying to doxx me you fucking faggot?

I read somewhere that D&D were only told 3 things by GRRM that weren't explicitly known by the pov book characters, and if you faggots think one of those was Renly being a poof you're having a laugh. They absolutely made that up for the show.
You know what they didn't include was Dany having a lesbian experience with one of her handmaids on the ship, she got fingered to climax, that didn't make the show. So shut the fuck up

actually thinks renly is straight

confirmed for having never read the books. you can't read the books and think he's straight or even just bi. he's so obviously gay that grrm couldn't have made it more obvious

it's GoT

*yawns*

check paw patrol

ftfy

I need not screencaps for I have memory. The ultimate betrayal of Stannis comes from the Paper Shield scene.

The books

Davos is brought before Stannis because he helped Edric Storm escape right when he and Melisandre were plotting to burn Edric. Stannis is very firmly in Melisandre's grasp because of the loss on the Blackwater (where he excluded her because he disliked rumours he was relying too much on her and her red god, and didn't want his kingship marred by such taint) and her trickery involving the leeches (burning kings' blood supposedly being the power behind Joffrey and Robb dying, rather than them being actively at war). Davos confesses and Stannis seems ready to sentence him to death, but Davos has been learning to read and presents his 'Paper Shield', the letter from Maester Aemon requesting aid at the Wall. Davos reminds Stannis that he is the rightful king, regardless of whether he is accepted as such, and the duty of the king is not to chase after the throne, the duty of the king is to protect the realm. Stannis reflects on this with gratitude, pardons Davos, and begins preparations to move North. Melisandre isn't even really part of the conversation.

The show

Davos helps Gendry escape while Stannis and Melisandre are plotting to burn him, Blackwater, leeches, etc. Davos confesses, and Stannis order him killed. Davos shows his Paper Shield, and Stannis shrugs and orders him killed. Melisandre says wait and throws the paper into the fire, then she says, "No we must go north the fire says so," and Stannis laughs and orders Davos killed. Then Melisandre says, "No, we need Davos alive," then Stannis laughs again and deeply considers ordering Davos killed then laughs some more and tells Davos, "Yuh 'ate da red god? Well u're in 'is army now," and laughs again.

This moment perfectly encapsulates how badly D&D hated the character. Stannis was not butchered by clumsy oafs, he was assassinated by hateful homosexuals.

He's not explicitly gay in the books (as in we never see him with Loras' cock in his mouth like in the show), but to say he isn't canonically gay is also untrue, it's very heavily hinted at and alluded to. I'll take Stannis' word on the matter

The boar got Robert and I got Margaery. You'll be pleased to know she came to me a maid.

In your bed she's like to die that way.

I will never forgive D&D for leaving out not just Stannis' most badass moment but one of the most badass moments in the entire series, where he's having a meeting with his generals on the march to Winterfell, and it's fucking miserable and seemingly hopeless, the army stuck in a snowstorm, dying of starvation and cold, everyone wants to give up, even his own lords, and the fucking ice-cold Stannis just says:

"We all know what my brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell … or die in the attempt."

Followed by his own southern lords shaking their hands and giving up in fear, but the northern lords shout out cheers, and even Asha, who is a PoW of Stannis', is impressed by how relentless and bold he is.
Absolutely fucking legendary moment that shows why even people that hate and fear Stannis genuinely respect him.
Stannis in the book is a fucking whimp compared to what a fucking beast he is in the books.

Stannis in the show**
mistake in final sentance

on paw

Reminder

He is right from a purely pragmatic, realpolitik sense, but personally speaking Renly was a weak little bitch and a fag whereas Stannis was a fucking boss that even men like Tywin and Roose Bolton feared.

king who'd rule in his own right vs. soulless himbo getting MMF threesomed into being Mace Tyrell's puppet

>*checks watch on paw*

Huh? Who puts their watch on their dog?

Based
Renly isn't gay

Being a stubborn asshole is his core character and they completely missed it. It's Iike they didnt miss Donnal Noye's "Stannis is iron, he'll break before he bends" metaphor.

Seethe on, faggot

Donal Noye's description of the Baratheon brothers also highlights that D&D themselves got dazzled by Renly despite him having no substance

It's for his job.

He's a watchdog

Renly’s treatment on the show is so annoying. Instead of threatening Catelyn that he’s gonna kill Robb as well, he promises her he’s going to join forces with them right before he dies. Just more bullshit to make Stannis look bad

The show-writers (well, D&D specifically) had a really bad case of favouritism and they let their personal biases for characters severely affect how they wrote things. If you were a character they personally liked (Tyrion, Arya) they'd bend over backwards to remove any slightly negative or troubling element in their stories, whereas if they disliked you (Stannis, Jaime) they'd go out of their way to make them seem extra villanous or stupid. Very bad-faith writing. They shouldn't have been let within 10 miles of the source material.

yeah that blacksmith that knew them for like 10 years? Yep, end all on their psychology, don't need another source. I barely spoke to any of the children so I know them perfectly, pretty much their maester , mother father and all bundled into one.

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>yeah that blacksmith that knew them for like 10 years?

all the people who hold up Renly as the greatest man to ever live knew him for like 3 months lol

Yeah that blacksmith surely knew Renly better than his squire.

There's only two people who thought that and they were both in love with him. Everyone else saw him as the summer knight that he was, even when they were allying themselves to him to take advantage of his charisma.

Well in hindsight he ended up being completely accurate in his assessments, so I guess he is smarter than you, anon

Well in hindsight he ended up being completely accurate in his assessments

Are you on fucking crack? He's completely wrong on all of them.

Robert is not the "true steel" he's the dullest of them all , a fat worthless cuckold completely incapable of ruling himself , much less the 7 kingdoms.
Stannis is so "unbendable" that he literally changes his fucking religion and burns the idols of his ancestors while burning critics alive. Not only that he literally compromises constantly and eventually leaves the fight and goes north to give up chasing the throne to defend the realm. He literally bends all the time.

And Renly? That worthless piece of shit? Oh well with zero legitimate claim was able to forge the biggest alliance in the 7 kingdoms based purely off his personal charisma and relationships he developed over his life? Oh yeah and to stop this useless fop? Took barely anything, just a form of blood magic that no-one believed was real from an ancient sorceress who has lived far beyond the lifetime of regular mortals.

so I guess he is smarter than you, anon

Yeah maybe, or maybe you're both dumber.

Robert is not the "true steel" he's the dullest of them all , a fat worthless cuckold completely incapable of ruling himself , much less the 7 kingdoms

Robert successfuly led two major wars. He won arguably the most impresive victory in Westerosi history by overthrowing the Targaryens and conquering the entire continent without dragons. He did this while he was in his 20s and with no prior military experience. He commanded many battles personally. He later suppressed the Greyjoy Rebellion, against a famously ruthless warrior-culture, against leading from the front-lines. The guy was true steel. Just because he was mediocre at ruling the kingdom (actually debatable since aside from the Greyjoy Rebellion his reign was peaceful and stable) doesn't mean wasn't strong and fearsome.

Stannis is so "unbendable" that he literally changes his fucking religion and burns the idols of his ancestors while burning critics alive. Not only that he literally compromises constantly and eventually leaves the fight and goes north to give up chasing the throne to defend the realm. He literally bends all the time.

He changes his methods but never gives up and never stops. He is relentless and keeps going to the breaking point. That''s Noye's point. He suffers multiple defeats and setbacks but keeps going through all the suffering and difficulty. He has multiple chances to give up and back down but refuses even if it means he will be doomed. And his accomplishments in books 3-5 are genuinely impressive - he defeats the single largest army in known history at the battle beyond the Wall, he basically destroys the entire wilding threat, and then he begins a campaign of liberation/reconquest through the vast North, in totally foreign and and hostile territory, and keeps pushing on despite brutal conditions. There's a reason why even Asha was impressed by him despite hating his guts.

And Renly? That worthless piece of shit? Oh well with zero legitimate claim was able to forge the biggest alliance in the 7 kingdoms based purely off his personal charisma and relationships he developed over his life? Oh yeah and to stop this useless fop? Took barely anything, just a form of blood magic that no-one believed was real from an ancient sorceress who has lived far beyond the lifetime of regular mortals.

Renly had some short-term politcal effectiveness, yes, but he was never truly tested and tried like his brothers were. Both Robert and Stannis went through very difficult and terrifying trials and came out the other side strong and scarred but successful. Renly was basically a kid and died before he did anything of note. He only had success because of his royal status allowing him to make alliances easily. Robert and Stannis had genuinely impressive accomplishments regardless of their royal status, they were PERSONALLY impressive and tough.

Why did he attack from the Blackwater instead of just marching from the south?

he had to cross the Blackwater to get to King's Landing from the south

Don't think that's true m8
in reality he attacks from both with a large cavalry approaching the King's Gate while he and his attack from the Blackwater, but the show was retarded and don't even mention the former. Genuinely one of the dumbest episodes of the series.

skip Arya scenes

skip Dany scenes without Barristan

skip faggotry scenes

skip Theon scenes

skip Sansa scenes

never bored

i only have the Jaime one

>skip Arya scenes

>skip Theon scenes

>skip Sansa scenes

You miss virtually every major developmental Hound scene if you skip the sisters' scenes. Not to mention Rodrik's execution.

You miss virtually every major developmental Hound scene if you skip the sisters' scenes.

A small price to pay.

Jaime's Feast for Crows storyline is literally my favourite storyline in the entire series by far and I was absolutely devastated when the show butchered it. It was so great it could have been its own novel in its own right, and the show sidelined it to a few scenes filled with lame comic relief and retarded, non-sensical bullshit.

He won arguably the most impresive victory in Westerosi history by overthrowing the Targaryens and conquering the entire continent without dragons. He did this while he was in his 20s and with no prior military experience. He commanded many battles personally.

He won 3 battles against 3 smaller forces on his rebellious vassals.

He then lost a battle to Randyl Tarly. Was rescued by Ned at the battle of the bells since his armyt had seemingly disappeared by this time , won the battle of the trident and then did nothing for the rest of the war. All the battles he won were against other rookie commanders.

He then won the Greyjoy war, and who won the navy part of the war? The part the warrior martial culture was expert at? Yes, it was Stannis. By the time they landed on the islands the war was over.

Stannis is the real deal, Robert is copper who protected by Jon Arryn and Renly was the iron who was broken before he bent. He didn't back down on himself and rushed ahead of his main army to challenge Stannis in honorable battle with his horse. If he just stayed behind and let his commanders deal with him he wouldn't have been killed by magic.

What the fuck was her plan regarding succession? If she can't make an heir the Targaryen line she cares so much about will end anyway

isn't the biggest joke that Stannis is actually changing his strategies though? His dealings with the wildlings, Melisandre, Davos, etc show STannis can learn to bend and adjust himself to win rather than just trying to brute force and snap?

Yes, everyone in-universe keeps saying how stubborne and predictable and uncompromising Stannis is but in reality he CONSTANTLY compromises and changes strategies and cuts deals and subverts expectations all in pursuit of the single goal of liberating the Seven Kingdoms. He suffers so many defeats and setacks but never gives up. This is what makes him impressive.

the fact renly was at storms end and personally witnessed the lengths stannis would go to in order to win and still thought there was a chance he'd stand aside because "I've got a bigger army" was the best demonstration of how crap he'd have been as a king.

its a dany chapter

its a bran chapter

its a samwell chapter

its a arriane/arys/areo chapter

its qwentyn chapter

its a Sansa chapter

its a Brianne chapter

its a Aeron chapter

its a Arya in bravos chapter

its a Tyrion in Essos chapter

it’s a baristan chapter

it’s a Melisandre chapter

...aaargghh...

they had him tell cersei he released tyrion off screen.

To each his own. The Hound and Beric were the only characters I really enjoyed in retrospect. Shame they both got such shit endings, but then again, who even got a good one?

a lot of it was personal beef with the actors rather than the characters. They hated Stannis' actor, hated Selmy's actor so they shit on the characters and killed them off as soon as possible. They loved Cersei's actor so they kept her around and expanded her role. Standard hack director stuff

hack writing, she should have been thrilled about Jon being a targ. Name him heir and let him marry whoever he wants otherwise their family dies out. The last 3-4 seasons are just hack writing everywhere, most of the conflicts are completely contrived like the Arya and Sansa drama. All of it falls apart when you think about it for more than 30 seconds

Literally all good shit in ADWTD happens in the north