I love this motherfucker like you wouldn't believe. How is he supposed to be the bad guy? He's the only dude with a fucking working brain during this entire clusterfuck.
I love this motherfucker like you wouldn't believe. How is he supposed to be the bad guy...
Cao Cao?
In any other culture or context, he’d be a hero, maybe THE hero of the situation. He was certainly the protagonist of the age.
For starters, he was a brilliant general, battlefield commander and administrator, and a truly gifted minded. His machinations and plots and policies were often the driving force behind any change in China. Indeed, he built the strongest of the kingdoms, and was de facto emperor for most his career.
The flip to this is he was incredibly ruthless, pragmatic, and driven. He expected nothing short of excellence, and success, which he placed above all else. This led to him being seen as “unforgiving,” or evil, in how harsh he dealt with failures and how he would disregard the “honorable” actions for the pragmatic one.
Now the main contention. He was loyal to the people and ideal of a successful China, and wanted to improve and take it by any means necessary. He had little to no loyalty to the Han Dynasty, which he saw as corrupt, harmful and pathetic, and should be used only as a puppet.
This is in stark contrast to the ideals of the time the romance was written. Loyalty to the dynasty was to be top priority, and no matter how good your actions and intentions, if you were a traitor, you were evil. Hence why guys like Zhang Fei are seen as legendary hero’s, even though he was a psychotic asshole, and Cao Cao is painted as the villain, despite wanting the best for China and her people. If this was a more western story, I wager we’d be cheering for the heroic and brilliant Cao Cao to reform the corrupt and fragmented empire, and boo the ignorant and authoritarian Liu Bei for trying to keep a corrupt mess propped up.
Long story short, he’s a great man, but not the “good guy”
Tsao tsao?
Sow Sow
Cow Cow
Cao Cao is a legalist, China is Confucius. Both were the two main opposing ideologies at the time.
The CCP for example, are Legalist, while most Chinese dynasties are Confucius. Legalists believe that society should be governed by laws that are enforced strictly, while Confucianism is very class/heirarchy based and that you should always defer actions and opinion to seniority (rank or age) in the situation.
Did you even watch the series? Like in the very beginning where it's shown why you shouldn't idolize him or his way of thinking.
He wasn't a nepo baby like Liu Bei
He never relaxed
Literally that's all it is. Most of Chinese history favors bootlicking your superiors and old corrupt regimes as "filial piety", quite literally geritocracy.
Liu Bei completely overshadows him when it comes to altruism and humanity
That pretender was the biggest hypocrite in the show
Cannot abandon his people
Wants to create a land of benevolence
Has two kickass brothers
What's the problem?
What was his problem?
He wasn't a nepo baby like Liu Bei
If we are talking about historically, Cao Cao held one of the highest ranks in court BEFORE the yellow turban rebellion as part of the Nine Ministers as Minister of the Household. At the start of the Yellow Turbans he was a Cavalry Commander leading imperial troops. That's a high fucking rank too and when He Jin was forming a huge army he was named a Colonel alongside Yuan Shao.
The Cao family was rich and his father held 2 Minister titles and the title of Grand Commander.
If we are talking novel that's more appropiate but he was still a Cavalry Commander at the start.
Meanwhile Liu Bei was only a Magistrate of some shithole and was very late named as General of the Left and he kept that shit rank after he conquered Jing Province.
All Chinese governments after Qin Shi Huang claimed to be Confucians but were all crypto-legalists
The SUPERIOR 1994 series have good subtitles now. No excuse to keep watching the 2010 series anymore.
What movie?
He was the best.
is this worth torrenting ub 720p, or watching the 360p youtube version?
It's a good series that merits higher quality. Watch a few episodes on youtube if you're unsure you'll like it.
I only watched a few episodes but
runs off to his uncle's village
the people there welcome him, help him and give him free food
kills one because of a misunderstanding
"oh shit, I guess I'll kill the whole village now"
gives a speech about how he is actually right and the whole world is wrong
Based schizo, I love him
Didn't take too long
Chinese ideals of heroism are fundamentally different from the West. Filial piety stands above all, just as loyalty at all costs. In the western world, the hero is usually fighting against some grand injustice, and is marked by nobility and strong morals. In the eastern world, the hero does whatever his parents tell him to, and he services his lord no matter what.
>gives a speech about how he is actually right and the whole world is wrong
That's not quite the point he was making when he uttered that famous line.
He was considered the hero of the history (aka the legitimate heir of the Han) until some southern faggot decided to subvert history in proper Jewish fashion by writing his biased fanfiction, going against the accounts of every previous historian including those that lived during the 3K era.
In reality it doesn't matter, they were all brutal warlords, but Cao Cao was in the right in every possible way.
KINO...
The SUPERIOR 1994 series have good subtitles now
Fucking link it then, because all I can find is just a couple of episodes here and there.
to be fair the historians were pro Cao Cao because the Jin dynasty derived their legitimacy from Cao Wei. But during the Ming dynasty both nobles and people were pro Liu Bei because confucianism vs mongol barbarians.
But during the Ming dynasty both nobles and people were pro Liu Bei because confucianism vs mongol barbarians.
Yeah, that's when the subverting happened, over a thousand years after the 3K era.
And considering how short the Jin dynasty was in power and the clusterfuck that followed, I don't think historians were that biased in favor of the Jin or Cao Wei.
tries to steal jing
steals yi province from his own blood
babby abuse
what a kind and benevolent warlord
fuckin big eared monkey nigga
What happened to chinese historical kino featuring older veterans who look like they lived in their time? Why is everyone a dolled up pretty boy now?
Hence why guys like Zhang Fei are seen as legendary hero’s, even though he was a psychotic asshole
2010 did him extremely dirty. Zhang Fei conquered Ba commandery with BENEVOLENCE(tm) and convinced Yan Yan to join Liu Bei. And then during the start of the Hanzhong campaign he fought Zhang He and drove him back tricking him into making him think that Zhang Fei was just a drunk retard.
childhood is thinking xiahou dun is cool
adulthood is realizing he doesnt fuckin do anything but get shot in the eye
Holy shit this. Xiahou Dun has the amazing record of getting imprisoned by Lu Bu and getting destroyed by Liu Bei. The only reason he gets any attention is because of the duel with Guan Yu.
no its literally just because he is the heckin eyepatch man
The funny thing is that this has been criticized by the chinese themselves. They don't like fujo pandering any more than we do.
Batch 8 (FINAL- COMING SOON!)
See, still not fucking finished.
Please, stop fighting.
A loser like Xiahou Dun isn't worth it.
He had a really good moveset in the original Dynasty Warriors games
Legalists believe everyone should be subjected to the law, and harshly.
For recent good ones
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LDiC was actually a light novel fanfiction of Assassins Creed (and it shows, lots of rooftop parkour and tower climbing, even the Prince of Persia shows up as a character lmao), it's tied into the leadup of An Lushan Rebellion. The Sequel is the An Lushan Rebellion itself.
Nah 2010 rules cao cao's actor is just too good
He's awesome in Empresses in the Palace as well. Similar villain you totally root for.
What the FUCK was Lu Bu's problem? Was he actually retarded? wtf.
He went from my favourite Dynasty Warriors character to one of my most hated Romance characters after watching the actual show.
simp
He was a modern day Zoomer in the wrong times.
He had the body of a god with the mind of a dog.
hes only the bad guy in the novel, which most everything else is based on
Harder to get into for Western viewers, because it's too book accurate and comes off a lot like Peking Opera.
F A G.
Got any links on those? It's hard finding chinese opinions about anything.
Did historical heroes literally just dual eachother between armies in ancient battles? If so, that is actually pretty rad.
kek, where's this from?
Most of them didn't even set foot on the battlefield. Duels and nobility participating in active frontline combat was much more of a european thing. Hell, even Jeanne d'Arc got wounded in active combat, confirmed by both english and french sources.
In all likelihood they never even saw each other's faces in battle or even afterwards but the drama and propaganda of pitting them mano a mano was too hot to be ignored by writers. Sure it may have happened sometimes but it's mostly bullshit. Reality is boring.
The Art of War was written to stop aristocrats from making basic mistakes because they were responsible for entire armies and had no idea what they were doing.
Timeless Romance 1998.
Lu Bu actually duelled people according to historians writing accounts during the 3K period, but that's the only guy I've seen confirmed.
Guō Sì was north of the city. Bù opened the city gates, led troops to face [Guō] Sì, and said: “Let us both withdraw troops, and ourselves personally decide victory.” [Guō] Sì and Bù then dueled, and Bù with a spear stabbed [Guō] Sì. Riders behind [Guō] Sì then came forward to rescue [Guō] Sì. [Guō] Sì and Bù then each withdrew.
Nah I'm not going to build a hill fort that is critical to us not being immediately killed, my wife has a cold.
Deserved his fate.
Be Cao Cao
Get reincarnated in 1893
Lead China to it's final victory.
He won.
Why did he lose red cliffs then if he so smart?
backstabbed by the perfidious Canton
GODS I WAS DONG THEN
Cao Cao was a hero whether you like it or not.
Cow Cow was a bastard regardless of any cultural trappings.
Even in an ideal situation where the history books more or less backed him up you're looking at an Oda Nobunaga or Napoleon type bloody tyrant that regardless had some admirable qualities.
Legalism never existed as an ideology, it couldn't because all it was, was a list of advices regarding how a leader should act towards realpolitik ends. Legalism being adhered to or not happens partially independently of the national philosophy. Just like Machiavellianism in the Western context.
Caokino.
Anime
imo china got it worse than africa
africans did it to themselves but china has been occupied by foreign conquerors for 10 THOUSAND years
I wonder if Mao caught syphilis or something because him becoming so utterly retarded at the end of his life is almost inexplicable.
That's the running theory. Honestly he started to lose it after Hundred Flowers Campaign. His ass saving response to it, due to the seething of Communist officials getting criticized was genuinely counter-revolutionary.
Mao was someone you have lead a revolution and set up a country, he's bad at actually running the country.
Also doesn't hurt having geniuses like Lin Biao and Zhou Enlai carrying your ass.