Pick a novel famous for its political intrigue

Preach at you how?

one of the greatest houses in the galaxy

get overthrown by a few hundred men

Pathetic

just so that we are clear Paul is the bad guy

In the book Leto sees it coming, does it make it any better? Not really

And it's presented as regular blackmail. In which scene do they mention his imperial conditioning?

Few hundred men

The harkonnens used entire legions and imperial sardukar to do it

brown savages killing civilized people is cool

Yep it's mutt hours.

They were taken by surprise, and the sardaukars are worth several men on their own. The book makes it clear that the Harkonnens bankrupted themselves to finance the operation.

Mentioning the imperial conditioning would really add anything to the movie, because if it's such hot shit then how could it be broken by simple blackmail?

It doesn't really matter

In fact I dislike Dune with some intensity.

The movie makes it pretty clear why he's the bad guy and the books could not be more clear in driving the point.

It wasn't achieved through blackmail but psychological torture.

Are you on crack? Been asleep for a few years?
Those cretins wanted me to to watch their movie, but they also insisted that I was a bad man for not wanting Trump's experimental jab, then tried to shame and bully me into wearing a mask that doesn't prevent the transmission of a virus that is 1500 times smaller than the tiny holes in the mask.

And what should he have done? Let himself die in the desert with his mother? Surrender and lick the Emperor's boots?

what in the world

Nigger, your wife getting kidnapped by sadistic slavers would be torturous in any context.

In the movie he clearly asks the baron to free his wife from torture now that he's done his part, just as he did in the books.

the transmission of a virus that is 1500 times smaller than the tiny holes in the mask.

Virus travels in water aerosol which the mask blocks.

one part one was good

He wasn't broken over distance they had him and his wife in one place. To break him he had to directly acess his brain.

lmao

those beard extensions look ridiculously bad at 1080p
can't even imagine how laughable it is in 4k

brother, Anon Babble is further down the road. You took the wrong door.

You can clearly infer why he broke.
In the movie he says "they take her apart like a doll" and that he made a bargain with the baron.

I didn't watch some movie because of the vaccines

It's kind of scary what never getting laid does to what is supposed to be a man. But also pretty hilarious at the same time. Keep seething for my entertainment.

Trim the boring fluff no-one cares about

FIFY

It's not boring fluff, it just doesn't work in the context of a film adaptation

the thing is though that the imperial conditioning didn't break in the way the Baron believed it broke
Yueh didn't turn traitor just to free his wife, he did it in a way that he believed would also result in the death of the Baron, that's how Yueh managed to get past the conditioning

It's pure bloat that doesn't affect the ending in any way. Having them fuck around playing espionage tiddlywinks that amounts to nothing is a huge waste of time and it was rightfully removed

Fascist chud.

In the movie it was like 200 guys fighting which makes it comical

Agreed. I'll never forgive Villeneuve for the lockdowns and vaccine mandates. The bastard!

Like 200 guys

We only see a small portion of the battle and even then we see thousands of dudes like at the airfield and in the staircase scene

"Civilized" people who travel great distances to invade and steal land and resources in places they don't belong in

Stop being a Jew lmao

isn't part of why the Harkonnen succeeded because the attack came far faster than anyone expected due to the Emperor calling in favors from the Guild to speed up the delivery of troops?

Not that they were outmatched but that Leto didn't have time to implement his defensive plan, which involved winning the hearts and minds of the locals and making them an integral part of the planetary defenses

It's not bloat. It's what makes it a step above a very basic, generic political novel. The film is underwhelming because of it.

Ironic considering the main theme of the books and the movie was that a shadowy glowing organisation used the religion they planted in a population to control it to ultimately destroy itself

/thread

To you, but your standards are pretty shit

Harkonnen success was basically down to three things.
1) Yueh being the traitor
2) Scale of the attack (Harks used 80 years of spice profits)
3) How soon it happened.

They succeeded because

a) Yueh shut down the shields
b) the emperor made sure no signals got off planet so they had no help
c) he gave the harks sardukar

I agree.

Well that's true and also shown in the movie

They never once mention his imperial conditioning btw.

Just shut up and accept that your favorite stories are going to be turned into kike propaganda pushing some ugly brown nigger in the public.

Nobody is paying for this shit anymore.

My sci-fi name in Duncan Idaho.

It's called worldbuilding you shill kike dipshit.

Because it really doesn't matter.

Or do you think it would be better if they stopped the scene with Leto and the baron for the Yueh actor to look at the screen and say "my character Dr Yueh is a suk school doctor whose imperial conditioning makes me unable to betray my master, but the dastardly baron Harkonnen figured out a loophole so I figured out a loophole for his loophole"

sardukar are the most feared warriors in all the empire

their overwhelming force is the key to the emperor holding power

dune 2 shows them as being literal cannon fodder

the power-scaling is fucked. what are dunc 3 battles going to be composed of? mechs?

propaganda

What propaganda is there? Villeneuve's Dune ore accurately portrays Paul's character than Lynch

The movie was made by people who might have read the book 20-30 years ago in college and think they were qualified to pare it down to some generic minimalist sci-fi shit heap.

At least they show some fremen getting killed by them.
In the books they were so ridiculously outmatched that they could barely scrape out a win against fremen old people and actual children

Of we got six movies the box set would look so cool

The only thing crucial about Piter was him dying lol he wasn’t that important to the plot.

Neither portray Paul accurately. In fact, Shani's entire character arc in Villeneuve Dune was originally Paul's.

What? Chani's entire character was built from the ground up since she only has like three lines in the entire first book and in the movie she is used to showcase how negatively Paul influences the fremen. I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.

Paul is much more similar to his book counterpart than in the Lynch film because we see him go from unsure boy>reluctant leader>inhuman tyrant

FATHER!

FATHER, THE SLEEPER HAS AWOKEN!

DUNC has no such a iconic moment. And yes I know it isn't feom the books it's pure Lynchian KINO.

no such iconic moment

Salusa secundus throat singing
Arrival on arrakis
Here I stand
Paul arriving at the fremen temple

The whole point of his conditioning is that the Atreides trust Yueh implicitly because he's the one person who (supposedly) can never be turned against them due to his conditioning.
The fact that he of all people is manipulated into betraying them is what catches them unaware, they talk about how they expect the Harkonnen to have spies in the household well before this. If there was ever a reason to suspect Yueh he'd never have gotten close to the Duke or been able to lower the shields.

Lynch's Dune was so much better, it's crazy. It's like they're incapable of making anything good these days

Don't remember any of it except the Salusa scene.

Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!

DUNC cutting this line is bullshit.

Lynch's Dune was Game of Thrones Season 1-4. Dunc was GoT Season 5-8

Which is a completely pointless change because Paul already knows how he's negatively influencing the Fremen from the moment he drinks the water of life.
Audiences didn't need Zendaya standing there scowling for a whole movie to tell us that.

that honestly doesn't really matter in the book at all

let me lore dump you about this unbreakable imperial conditioning

ok now it's broken because reasons

who cares? that's not important
he's an archetypal traitor

Lynch's Dune is borderline unwatchable trash
it fails on a fundamental level

It works in the book but I don't understand why anon is so hung up about it. The whole betrayal whodunnit plot was dropped for Dunc and the lynch film so explaining suk conditioning would just be unnecessary

Some better editing and a different ending more in line with the book and the film would be better IMO

I still like it for what it is

If anything the plot and characters aren't streamlined enough.
Dune nerds are going to hate this but there are too many characters in the Atriedes house to utilise effectively in a movie.
If I was writing the screenplay I'd merge Yueh with Thufir Hawat & have Paul confront Yueh at the end of the movie. Id also merge Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho & have "Duncney" thought killed & then reunited with Paul later in movie.

while a lot of Lynch's movie sucked, at least it did give us a proper Alia

Retarded-looking superbaby with a dubbed voice

Thank fuck they cut her

it was legitimately funny how they took great pains to make Chani look like an exotic waif in Dune 1 and then made her look like an ugly nigger in Dune 2
it was so jarring that even normies were like "why the fuck is Paul with this ugly cunt?"

Why did Paul marry the girl he had prophetic dreams about, bonded with during his exile and who treated Paul with actual kindness and trained him?

Real fucking mystery

It's 1000x more watchable than Dunc kek, which is just a pale shadow made for mouth breathers to clap at

Terrible actors

Terrible casting

Stupid-looking sets

Edited to shit

No wonder faggots like you like it

Did they keep the no age restriction fremen orgies?

No.
Behind the Dune remains Dune's most faithful adaptation.

Paul is a victim of circumstance. His future sight effectively robbed him of free will. His only 'choices' were evil in the immediate future or an even greater evil in the far future.

I mean she was by all accounts considered an abomination.

I'm still upset they cut out a lot of the outlandish fremen customs, I wanted to see Paul get disturbed that Stilgar was giving him Jamis' wife and children to him as a prize for killing him. Maybe because of the connotations of women being property and such, similar to arab traditions which is what the fremen are undoubtedly based on, the whole book gives me "Lawrence of Arabia in Space" vibes.

Alas, would've filtered the normies.

arab traditions which is what the fremen are undoubtedly based on

But the fremen practice circumcision in the books

Id also merge Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho

That might work for Dune, but I'm not sure it would if they adapt subsequent books which needs those characters in separate places moving the plot along.

Muslims widely practice circumcision

It's clear they wanted the entire movie to be about that zendaya nigger and didn't give a fuck about Herbert's actual story. Basically they wanted to rip off an IP with a built in audience to push their own kike hollywood bullshit as usual.

In the videogame adaptation, they made Wellington Yueh a futa

And she looks fucking stupid in that movie, which says a lot.

Shame because her chinky design is hot
I still fapped to her scenes

dude effectively saves the human race

"b-but muh jihad, muh billions of dead retards"

I implore you to broaden your mind.

nuke visual will carry it

>sardukar are the most feared warriors in all the empire

>their overwhelming force is the key to the emperor holding power

>dune 2 shows them as being literal cannon fodder

That's book-accurate THOUGH.

It's clear

No, it isn't clear at all. Paul gets most of the screen time.
Did you even watch the movie?

Depression

Also Paul gets nuked

saves the human race

No he didn't, his son did. Paul saw what needed to be done to save the human race and couldn't go through with it but Leto II did.

In the context of the fremen Paul is absolutely the bad guy. A false Messiah that caused the downfall of their society and culture.

They get bodied even harder in the book

Why is the level of discussion here so dismal? Just retards talking past each other thinking they've made some kind of point.

Sneed.

Fags saw Zendaya in the movie and haven't stopped shrieking about it for literally years

Thufir Hawat and Piter DeVries really got the worst treatment in this zoomer Dune adaptation. DeVries is not even named in the movie. Casual viewers who didn't read the book wouldn't even know who this guy is and what he does. He just appears as an Harkonnen henchman who hires the Sardaukars.

Hawat is completely removed from part 2 while he had a pivotal role undermining the Harkonnens during in captivity.

Adapting a book is a transformative process

Explain how any of the changes in the new Dune movies benefit them. You're actually correct by saying that a 1:1 adaptation usually isn't done, but you're then you have to prove that the changes that were done actually achieved something positive. How was making Kynes into a black woman beneficial?

Jessica literally has a line that he couldn't be the spy because of his conditioning. They cut out all the stuff of her and Thufir being suspicious of one another though.

I didn't like the movie the first time I saw it, it was just continuous exposition dumps, but it was alright the second time. Its visuals are cool and if you were a fan of the books and video games as a kid it was decent.

it looks like she gained 20 pounds while filming. then you see her during her promo tour and she's skinny again. Why didn't she look like that during filming?
God I can't stand how half the fucking movie is prolonged shots of her angry face.

She just girlbossed around him, anon. It was dumb.

I would love to see that other science fiction feudalism book adapted into a show.

This is why they shouldn’t adapt books into movies anymore, they should just adapt books in the same calibre as dune into tv shows. Movies are a dying medium anyway.

They do though. Jessica says it.

they benefit the movie because they tighten up the structure to be able to fit in a film.

This is talking about a movie that already had to be split into two to avoid being chopped up to hell like Lynch dune so they removed parts that were unnecessary to Paul's story as a character. Did we really need Alia? The baron talking to Jessica?
Like it or not the layman viewer would find it hard to follow 10 different space ninja philosopher characters at once.

prolonged shots of her angry face

So, you didn't watch the movie.

Started reading (listening to the audiobook)

How was making Kynes into a black woman beneficial?

He's just mad at stupid shit, anon. Yeah it was diversity nonsense but it was exceptionally minor and not as bad as Zedenya or whatever the fuck that mutt's name is.

Which scene?

Now with kynes I can kinda understand it, but then again it's not like he/she was a major character in the book.

His role is to introduce the audience to the Messiah legend and the worm and then he dies

Dune is fundamentally anti-modern and archeofuturist, yet Dunc was made by a modern secular liberal who therefore cannot help but be at odds with the source material. Elite theory of history, psychological conditioning as the norm, religious fanaticism, gender roles. All too problematic to be portrayed uncritically. So either Dennis cuts elements out (no more Harrah), changes them (Kynes' genderswap), or adds clumsy commentary (Chani scowling at the prophecy).

It all makes for a dull, oxymoronic adaptation.

People should be mad because of Kynes not dying in a spice blowout
In the movie was Kynes even Chani’s parent?
Idgaf about inconsequential changes
Also Zendaya is one of the most beautiful women alive and it drives the chuds insane, totally mindbroken

No, it's not. Throughout the events of the first book, he really didn't have any better options. Besides joining the guild or the harkonnens and forgetting about his family's and house's honor, like a cuck, there was only the fremen and jihad. I'm not gonna blame him for wanting to avenge his father.

Dune is fundamentally anti-modern and archeofuturist,

dumb fuck, it was written in response to Foundation

Elite theory of history, psychological conditioning as the norm, religious fanaticism, gender roles.

You’re genuinely too stupid to handle reading, please fuck off

Did the movie really skip the sisters' involvement in that too?

Anti-modern

You're a fucking retard

paul is the bad guy

Wot?

You low iq adhd brown zoomies should stay away from dune.

In my headcanon, chani never participated in the cuckfests, was a chaste virgin when she encountered paul and remained faithful.

Yes, him taking control of the fremen and starting the Jihad starts the complete downfall of their entire society and ultimately turns them into sad and hollow caricatures of themselves to be gawked at by tourists by the time of Leto IIs reign

dunc 3

battles

Assuming its just messiah itll be assassine stuff, idaho clone and dialogue. And one nuke

Their own fault. They shouldn't have betrayed paul and chani or trusted their offspring to not hold a grudge.

They barely mention the barons boy love

Wasnt a goo chunk of their culture based off of bene gersate conditioning anyway? Arrakis wasnt even always a desert planet til the worms were introduced.

The whole lisan Al gaib thing is a bene Gesserit ploy they introduce into planets so they can subtly influence their societies

das cute

Who cares about the fremen? House Atreadis was wronged. Paul used evetything at his disposal to take vengeance. Everything after that is inconsequential until leto 2 is born

expecting a 13-14 yo girl to be a virgin and, later on, not cuck her extremely powerful husband, whom she loved, is unrealistic

I think the movies did fine considering the run time limitations.
my biggest problem is chani getting butthurt and leaving for paul marrying princess irulan. In the book its made clear irulan got the raw deal because it was entirely political and paul would never show her any notice.
Are normies too fucking adverse to the arrangement that it couldn't be included?
Considering their choice for chani though it's not entirely without its benefits

Who cares about the fremen? House Atreadis was wronged. Paul used evetything at his disposal to take vengeance. Everything after that is inconsequential until leto 2 is born

This is the proper White take. Everything else is just third worldist whining.

Are normies too fucking adverse to the arrangement that it couldn't be included?

I think they wanted the urban youth market who they were courting to look at it and loudly proclaim, "AW HELLLLL NAWW" in theaters.

jews killed my father so I will flood the country with jeets

Very white.

2) Scale of the attack (Harks used 80 years of spice profits)

3) How soon it happened.

Wow my super-arch-enemy totally will not use his massive wealth to attack me on day 1 when i'm most vulnerable!
this is culture of super suspicious people btw. Who obviously never played starcraft or any other strategic game

Iunno both Leto and his sister are stated to have participated in the orgies and they're only 9 at the start of the book

Is the spice orgy even an actual orgy? I remember reading somewhere that it's more of a group hallucination/psykic connection

remember part of the 80 years of spice profits worth of investment means that they need to have that level of wealth available and be willing to use it which was not a guarantee especially not because an attack on that level of brutality without Imperial sanction would have all but guaranteed meant that the Harkonnen would have never gotten Arrakis back, out of fear that they would use that level of wealth for other purposes

Same thing with speed of the attack, the Harkonnen couldn't have done an attack that fast just by themselves, it required the Emperor to call in several favors from the Guild

Effectively what it came down to was that Leto was expecting and preparing for a Harkonnen attack, what he was not prepared for and what he frankly could never prepare for was an Imperial attack

suk conditioning

I thought Herbert was a homophobic chud?

Villeneuve literally admitted he did that with Chani because he wanted to tell the audience for sure that Paul is bad. I'm not joking.

that's what you guys were talking about?
There are definitions and usages of orgy that aren't sexual at all, and no where in the book (or at least the first one) that it's sexual at all

lmao
well considering how people didn't understand that paul became the bad guy when the second book was released, despite it being far more obvious, I guess he wasn't wrong about the concern of people missing it and wondering what happened.
Fuck em though, people should learn to pay attention.

I get what Frank was going for, but the execution on evil Paul is a joke. Paul does nothing wrong in book 1, dedicates most of his thought process on trying to PREVENT the Jihad, and then the Jihad happens in an off-screen timeskip between books. It's completely laughable.

He also seems to have forgotten the redemption Paul seeked in Dune and Messiah and that hero worshipping and theocratic dictators were bad because by Children and God, not only did Paul apparently failed to free humanity from predestination but also humanity's only hope of survival was by Leto becoming a theocratic dictator

there always was the option to not seek revenge, and go into exile

We can all agree that God Emperor is the best book in the series, right?

Completely wrong. The dune series have at their core an anti-hero worship message and warns against it the entire time.

Leto's entire story hinges on this, Paul was unwilling to follow the golden path, Leto wasn't.
So he turns himself into the greatest icon of tyranny and religious extremism in history to force humanity into finding ways around being trapped by it and prescience.

That would doom humanity, wouldn't it?

I'm not watching a movie about your gay ass political drivel. I want to see giant fucking worms.

Paul didn't know that at that point, in Dune itself he had 2 options that would have guaranteed the Jihad would not happen, exile himself or walk into the desert and die

Not a big fan of the cuckholding plot. It was predictable, verbose and the characters obnoxiously treats the cheating thot like a saint. Apparantly, there's nothing incongruent about the supposed epitome of goodness and empathy sneaking away from her handicapped husband to get filled up by a more handsome man. Duncan's also the most obnoxious character I've ever encountered in fiction. What a whiny, ill-tempered blowhard. Didn't much care for the philosophy either and some of the ideas that were presented, and ironically, even some of the characters showed disinterest in the lectures. There were some interesting parts, but overall, the novel's just mid and not nearly as good as the first one.

He also mentioned the possibility of teaming up with the baron and that his only problem with that path was how disgusting it was.

Paul is the bad guy

didn't read or pay attention

its hard to make a chemistry on screen between a gay man and zendaya...

My man Frank just finally realized that his novels were sterile as fuck and needed a little eroticism.

I absolutely loved the new dune movies, but they had too much action in them. Slow it down and make it longer. illustrate the politics, landsraad, CHOAM, Fafrelunches, etc

exceptionally minor

why do you feel the need to comment on things you're not informed about?

Chani and Paul on their first visit to Sietch tabr was enough for me, desu. There was also cute flirting in a tent between the two and talk about "bringing him to heaven."