Openly mock a 6'8" cyborg with superhuman strenght...

He felt safe among his navy top brass friends. A couple of hours before that shot he has witnessed how Tarkin deals with Krennic and he felt untouchable since he was much closer to Tarkin's inner circle.

confirmed space sorcerer

He actually had no confirmation of this at all and it's the reason he was mouthing off.

To be fair, back then he wasn't the one man army chose one.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZWeoL0lMWIg
He knew, but it was cut

Han knew stories of Jedi but still didn't believe it.

Not entirely true. I've read the novelization, where he was already supposed to be established as a sith lord. Old interviews have Lucas claim he wanted the end of episode 6 to have been the ending of the first movie but he decided that was too much to cram into one movie he didn't even think would sell well enough for sequels.

And not to mention there were hundreds of Jedis just a couple decades ago while there were what, three sith? Four if you count Ventress? Sidious, Dooku, Maul, and Ventress. I guess five if you count Maul's Simpsons reject of a brother but really at this point Maul was more of a gangster than a Sith.

Motti is old enough that he has had to serve in the Clone Wars, probably as bridge crew on a Venator.
He may have never seen Jedi use their powers first hand. Maybe to him they were just some elite unit like the Vatican guards.

Han was born like 14 years after Order 66.

He won in the end. Vader and the Emperor died and he lived.

The whole point of this scene is to establish that Jedi and Sith are so far in the past that an Imperial officer doesn't even believe that their magic powers even exist. He thinks that Vader is the emperor's little nepo butt boy who's emotional mumbo jumbo and anger problems will not help the empire at all, and he was 100% right except about the whole magic thing.

Until the rebels unceremoniously executed him for crimes against Alderanity

somehow you are forgetting somehow

And what? Palpatine literally announced to the galaxy that the Jedi were responsible for assassination attempt. Han just didn't believe millions and millions of people who lived through the rise of the Empire and said "no really bro there was this giant fucking Jedi Temple in Coruscant. Shit nigger it's literally the Imperial Palace now"

Sci-fi was made to entertain children. It's not that deep.

the auralnauts version of this scene really captures how petty bitch middle management all the officers are implied to be

trying to make sense of prequelslop

Just kys before you get too deep. Also, there are people on this board right now who don't believe the earth is round.

I am one of them. Oblate spheroids represent

the earth is round.

This is more ridiculous than space wizards.

people mock the force like it is some ancient fairy tail

jedi were running the empire just a few years ago

So Han Solo was like five or six years old during the battle of yavin?
Star Wars’ timeline is FUBAR

10k jedi in a population of trillions

This. Original premise was nobody really knew much about The Force because Jedi had all been dead for a long time. The Emperor was not Palpatine. He wasn’t even a fully defined character at that point

Enough with the anti-Jediism already

Nah I am a retard. I meant to say he was like 14 when Order 66 was executed.

I don't believe Lucas on things like this.

Same. He claims he planned Vader to be Anakin from the start which is total bullshit

they were still a major part of the government

There's no reason to trust him after his hypocrisy regarding film preservation and then how he treated the special editions.

Anyone can visit the north pole & south pole yet the world is filled with flat-earthers.

Do you think he already decided laya and luke were siblings when they kissed or was that just an excuse for her going with the more popular character hans?

Have you visited either of those places? Are these flat-earthers in the chat with you right now?

Anyone can visit the north pole & south pole yet the world is filled with flat-earthers.

that would not prove the earth is round

Also there's no reason to think the Jedi were a major component of the galactic government. If you look at real work orders of knights they didn't have many members. The Knights Templar at their peak had around 1,500 to 2,000 knights (that is, combat members). Apply something like that to an entire galaxy, along with them being extinct for decades, it makes sense that people wouldn't know about it. The prequels are what causes it to not make sense.

youtube.com/watch?v=pavxYAAcwm4

A Sith Lord sent by the emperor that can do anything without oversight from the top generals in the Empire. All they can do is whine about him. Yeah clearly he's a nobody.

Why the fuck would the Jedi be dead for a long time if Luke was just a young man? The Jedi were obviously hunted down during his lifetime and they were still removing traces of the Republic government.
retarded headcanon faggots

everyone in A New Hope either doesn't know the Force or views it as a superstition

despite the Jedi visiting countless planets and becoming famous generals during a galaxy-spanning civil war just twenty years prior

Bravo George

Aside from the gigantic fucking temple on the galactic capitol which then became the Imperial Palace after the fall of the Jedi Order?

If you look at real work orders of knights

real world*

Also you might say, "Well why didn't people just look up videos of it?" That's a fine objection but the movie was written in the 1970s so extrapolating current technology back to that doesn't work, just one of the faults of science fiction, that you can't predict everything.

Also there's no reason to think the Jedi were a major component of the galactic government.

why didnt the empire need a standing military

because a couple thousand space wizards were able to keep order

And people just forgot this a few years latter

From all accounts be made them siblings in Return of the Jedi. The “there is another” was reference to someone else. Lucas making Anakin Vader was a last minute ass pull in final draft of Empire. He felt the ending was too anticlimactic and either he or what’s his ass said just make Vader Luke’s dad. Why Vader is entirely different in Jedi. Weaker to make him more sympathetic. There was suppose to be a rivalry between Luke and Han. Why whole Han jealousy shit is so stupid in Jedi because by that point we know Luke is her brother

wipe out the Jedi in a single day and outlaw their stupid religion

twenty years later this asshole keeps ranting on about how "the Force" is totally superior to the greatest technological achievement the galaxy has ever seen

no one is sure who is he and why the emperor keeps him around

finally call him out on his bullshit

he childishly resorts to violence as if choking a person is comparable to obliterating a fucking planet

Motti did nothing wrong.

idk didn't J.D. Vance shit on Trump a few years before he became VP? Maybe he thought he'd get promoted

Again, non of that was fleshed out. As previous anon said, going off how people acted about “The Force” in New Hope, there wasn’t some huge Jedi order. There was maybe only a few actual Jedi and most people never saw one

Vaded failed to recover the data tapes, so he was in the wrong. He also failed to stop Luke from blowing up the death star, making him double wrong.

The guy would have been alive for the Clone Wars and likely may have served in them (although this is not confirmed or denied), he should have been aware of the thousands of Jedi working as powerful warriors for the government

That may be the point, but the point is retarded when the Jedi and Sith were everywhere just twenty years before

They can't be *too* far in the past though since Luke's father was a Jedi.

There was not thousands of Jedi or even any real thought about Clone War when New Hope was written. Again, way it was written made it out like there was only a handful of actual Jedi, which made it more believable that Vader would be able to wipe them all out. Very fact Clones ended up killing most the Jedi really weakened how Jedi myth. I remember before prequels thinking only the very best Jedi could defeat another one. Not some stupid Clone with a blaster

Many of rebel leaders still used that "may the force be with you" phrase so for them it must not be just superstition.

Or they could have just made them not relevant

All of this shit worked better when it was left up to the imagination of the viewer. Like "Clone Wars" that sounds fucking cool, it's fun to think about what that could mean. The "explanation" you get is fucking lame and not needed.

I totally get that, I'm more just pointing out the discrepancies between the two trilogies and how ridiculous it is that Lucas tries to pretend he had it all planned as a single story

Yeah because people in real life saying God be with you totally isn't superstition.

All he is saying is that he is in a weirdo cult. Nothing here implies he believes he has actual magic powers.

the Jedi and Sith were everywhere just twenty years before

There are thousands of Delta Force specialists operating around the globe and you will never know their names or their true combat capabilities.

Well those people who say "God be with you" wouldnt be people who think it is superstition. For them it would be real and that's the point

Han is supposed to be 14 years younger than Luke?

Palpatine literally announced to the entire galaxy that the Jedi tried to fucking kill him and it was his whole excuse to seize power.

IMO everything added to Star Wars past the original film made it worse. Some more or less than others, but all of it made it worse. The original film has this special quality to it that nothing else has replicated.

or their true combat capabilities.

I know they are not able to maintain order over the entire world with no other military

Victim of it’s own success. Many such franchises

I don't know anymore. I'm drunk. I do know Han was born like 30 years BBY and Order 66 was like 20 BBY

BBY

pls stop

For real. Best time to be a Star Wars fan was in mid 90s. No prequels. No Disney Nu Wars. Didn’t have whores pretending to like it to get simps

everywhere just twenty years before

They were a tiny cult of weirdos who lived in a single building in an entire galaxy. If you absolutely insist on trying to bring logic to Lucas's retarded and inconsistent prequel story that he often makes up details about on the spot, it's entirely plausible that most people even when the Jedi were around thought they were just religious fanatics with swords. Every single one of them gets addressed as general in the clone wars, it's likely that most young soldiers that would later become Imperial officers wouldn't even have had contact with a Jedi warrior once on the battlefield.

No.

So he was 10 when the Jedi were killed. He would have heard about it.

Truke. Ironically the best thing Lucas ever did for the Star Wars canon was prohibiting anyone from writing backstory to the plot of the movies. Then he had to go and do it.

Believing that Muslims were responsible for the WTC planing doesn't equate to a belief that Mohammad actually spoke to God.

The conflict between the lunatic occult space wizards and the normal space nazis just trying to run shit would have made for a better prequel/sequel than anything we got.

The best explanation is thats all the imperial high command and the guy thought he was just shooting the shit but Vader's an autistic orphan so he chimps out immediatly. Thats why Tarkin the tard wrangler has to check him

The literal emperor (chancellor at the time" stood before the entire fucking galactic Senate and said "these niggas tried to kill me." All the Senate knows the Jedi exist as a fact. You really think the entire galaxy isn't going to believe the emperor and every fucking senator after Palpatine showed up looking like a potato that had been left in the sun for a few days?

There was an EU comic where a bunch of officers tried to coup Vader and Palpatine, but they shut them down pretty fast.

Vader didn't have a son at this point in the development, his relationship to Luke was thought afterwards.
Also, you don't need a superweapon to blow up a planet when you can hurl an asteroid big enough toward it. And Cader is not even referring to that; the immense power of the force is beyond simple military applications.

What's BBY in their actual calendar? 250xx after the old Republic?

The clone wars were just a name at this point in the story. No one at the time had written anything about them or knew what they wanted to happen in them. It's silly to apply retconn rationale to a character's conduct in a previous movie.

If they had suceeded the empire probably could have won.

If they had suceeded the empire probably could have won.

Star Wars isnt real

I don't know and never will, thank God.

Wowee you're right Anon, I forgot. Let me rephrase what I said.
GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE FICTIONAL SETTING If they had suceeded the empire probably could have won.

They didn't know what "Sith lord" was here, they just had those words. They sounded cool but were meaningless, that's why that part is cut.

Again, belief in the existence of the Islamic religion doesn't equate to belief that Muslims have magical powers.

these guys hijacked some planes

Credible.

therefore, they have telekinesis

Not credible.

motti had memory issues and couldn't remember there were space wizards with mind powers all around the galaxy just a few years previous

Shit bros Muslims have telekinesis