I actually felt bad for her by the end

Well said.

if Lonni hadn't fucked her by accessing her internal files

Getting hacked is hardly her fault.

I feel like we needed a few more episodes.
She's torn up for like 12 seconds about Cyril whom she clearly cared about. Then she gets like the most iconic scenes and gets slung in prison. I was expecting her to be assigned to the Death Star as a nod to her dying when that blew up.

Why do you think it's wrong?

Fucking hell, she's painful to look at. It's a particular kind of ugly that's just fucking vomit inducing.

He still fucked her, because they wouldn't have cared enough to check her files if his intrusion hadn't been flagged.

gets like the most iconic scenes

Be more specific.

Syril

She had a year to obsess about Axis and move on from that.

I think it was more that she acquired and then did not report that she acquired information about the death star. She compromised the security of the project. And then got axis killed with an unsanctioned raid. Yes Lonni didn't help but the death star was of absolute value so anyone who gets that wrong is just thrown in prison I guess.

they're going to fuck it up;

they should have her work the equivalent of cashier or like tollbooth operator after 20 years (10 in the empire and 20 more because of her involvement in the ghorman business, with 10 off for time already served);

it should be 5 issues of the "star wars" universe at it's most mundane clerical and drudgery.

Well specifically I mean, for S2 second half, she had the scenes with krennic interrogating her, we had the confrontation with Luthen and his suicide, the star path unit was her thing that has travelled from the first episode, and also her final confrontation with Cyril where he kind of realized what he was a part of.

It's just ripping off Vic Mackey's end in the Shield.

Add a little bit of makeup and a great personality to it and boom, she's suddenly mad sexy: m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae9_KaFoUPg

I hate her accent and the mannish tone of her voice.

Yeah those were good.

He didn't end up in prison though.

She was one of the most interesting characters definitely.

too old to be sexy, and she'd be plain even if she were 20 years younger

He ostensibly did.

I’m surprised Disney allowed that scene of Syril choking her

Why did Emily Armstrong from Linkin Park star in Andor?

Retard take... A rogue ISB supervisor + knowledge of the Death Star? The character would have been shot to death or hanged in public as a traitor, like Clem or the guys from Kleya's flashback.

Also, the actress is just retarded IRL.

Bitch did not reported tons of shit made in the last 2 years. She dig her own hole.

turn out the lights

no, I think we'll keep them on you slag

Also, the actress is just retarded IRL.

proof?

No reason to feel bad. She'll do 5 years hard labour then the Empire falls and the New Republic with its amnesty programs would most likely offer rehabilitation, housing and counceling for her.

You're not wrong. She was a villain but still a very tragic character. She was an orphan indoctrinated from birth, literally raised by the Empire, so she couldn't really help being as autistic and unquestionably pro-Empire as she was. She literally couldn't even imagine why anyone would want to oppose the Empire. Her ruthless ambition is very understandable and almost even relatable if you understand her past and environment. Then she ends up getting imprisoned for life basically just for doing her job well at the wrong time. She's as much a victim as she is a perpetrator

I have none, sorry.
Also, I'm trans.

Thinks an office twig like Dedra would last 5 years on program.

That’s assuming the other inmates don’t shank the shit out of her if they ever find out she was ISB or involved in Ghorman massacre

I'm betting she takes the floor way out

why would anyone care to avenge ghorman?

Yea, leaking the death star is not something you want to be involved in, even indirectly.
Not unless you want to

join the ever growing ISB deathmarch

years
Bet bitch did not sirvived 5 days in there.

Speaking of mole…Plot twist: they cut the mole off her head and it becomes the Death Star

By that time the Death Star was pretty much complete.

clean and sanetary

orderly and structured

as much slop (flavorless, but nutritious) as you want

Eh, she'll be fine.

Currently rewatching the entire show. She's a monster.

Eh, she'll be fine.

Inmates who knew about it before the propaganda, it was only 2-3 years so I’m sure some inmates would be in there that could potentially want payback.
Small chances but not impossible

When Bix walks into that imperial building to kill off the headphones guy, casually shoots another guy on the way out. No problem, just walking in and out again. Bad guys get what they deserved.

it was a wart.

She was shown to be a liability due to her PTSD and drug use and then literally moments later she's John Wicking an Imperial asset and detonating a building in a major city in a YASS Slay Queen slow motion scene.

She is but I still want her to sit on my face.

I want to flick it

I feel like it's at least implied the others set that up for her so she could get closure on the torture.

she has a bigger one on her chest, its like a second nipple

Yeah Cassian is right next to her at the end, it implies he was at least helping. I feel like if yidsney didn't pull the plug her killing that guy could have been a whole 3 episode ark.

Andor was the one who detonated the building.

The whole point of the Ghorman plot was the Empire instigating a terrorist action to justify cracking down on them. We're expected to sit here in out comfortable modern chairs and expect Luthen allows Andor and Bix commit a major terrorist attack on Coruscant of all places?

For being about passion and raw emotions, Palpatine and his Empire were remarkably stifled, regimented and orderly. You'd think they'd encourage more of a hedonistic and creative/competitive society to contrast with the Jedi need for constant harmony and balance.

I know why they did it though, it's because if the Empire was all about freedom and pursuing one's desires like chaos warriors, you'd have a much harder time criticizing it. Everyone hates fascism, but unchecked freedom sounds rad.

And it happened again at the hospital. For some reason, the whole planet never went into complete lockdown.

Well maybe the population is so massive there, it's much easier to hide? Like, 50 planets worth of people over hundreds of levels across the entire surface right?

I don't k ow what would be worse, getting blown up on Alderaan or watching your entire society and people dismantled and killed one person at a time like Ghorman. It's bittersweet going back and watching the very strange spider silk advert which is almost quirky by comparison. Then the old guy like, sits dying in his silk shop or whatever at the end.

planet goes on lockdown

palpatine has 500 voicemail messages;

he'd like that actually..

it's more because palpatine wants his entourage of civilian officials, corporate, types to be able to go on and off world and join him on whatever bullshit ribbon cutting he was doing.

it's more because palpatine wants his entourage of civilian officials, corporate, types

Boy toys. Just say it.

nah palpatine is like asexual;

he just gets off on like pure sadism and power

How do you put an entire planet on lock down without killing billions? Maybe it's impractical to just stop everything and search every apartment.

she actually didn't want you feel sorry for her character
you've failed her
please commit seppuku by sunset tomorrow

(based)

I think creamy sheev fucked boys, actually.

She's ISB, that's like space Gestapo, she's not getting shit. Plus Death Star actually getting destroyed doesn't really helps her survival
Partagraz, Krennic, Tarkin, Yularen and like million Imperal soldiers all dead because she couldn't keep her shit tight

a major terrorist attack on Coruscant of all places?

They call that 'Tuesday' on Coruscant.

You unironically bought into the sith propaganda. For the sith, at least in palpatine’s interpretation, freedom and passion are not universal goals, but are for those with the most strength and power to take it, otherwise everyone else is a resource to be used to further your own goals and solidify that power. Having the entire galaxy under your boot heel so they can never challenge you while enriching you in the process is the natural conclusion for them, stifling everyone else’s freedom in a quest for total domination and immortality. Promoting an anarchist society where everyone holds sith values would ultimately undermine their individual quest for power.

However yeah it was pretty sad that she was tossed away like tissue paper and was never brought up again

The fate of most people really.

I know all that, I'm just saying that makes them less interesting. If they just want control, they're less the opposite of Jedi and just turbo Jedi.

Is this seriously the technology of an intergalactic culture? We are able RIGHT NOW to use lasers to construct 3D images of the ground from space, and in the show they can barely transmit 32-bit audio from microphones?

pic related

It's 1970 retrofuturism. It's Star Wars.

The tech of the Republic still hasn't caught up to the tech of several precursor civilizations, and 90% of the tech they do have was reverse-engineered from the tech of those same cultures. Tech progress in Star Wars is a stifled, strangled thing. In almost-40K irony, there are multigenerational cultists living in the Works on Coruscant who exist solely to maintain the alien tech that keeps that world from collapsing in on itself from the weight of the planet that's built on top of the planet that was Notron. That's a level of tech advancement the Republic is nowhere near replicating.

They are sending holograms over stellar distances. That's pretty advanced to me.

Oh that makes more sense now duh!

I thought we were talking about her PTSD from Battlestar Galactica

They just had the mass murder of the jedi like a fortnight ago and most people didn't even bat an eye

What is the correct answer to this stupid question? What rule do I follow? What rule are you talking about, Anton? Can't you just talk like a normal human being?

The Jedi and Sith disagree on one fundamental idea and that is the role of force users in leadership. The Sith believe the strongest should rule, which of course means the strongest force user should rule because the strongest being is always going to be one capable of supernatural, near limitless magical feats. The Jedi believe the majority, who are non-force users, should rule in the form of democracy and that force users should act more like a glue holding the democracy together. Everything else is extraneous. The most core difference between them is their view on the role of force users in leadership. The Jedi find force users in their youth, take them in, and indoctrinate them in a detached life of enlightenment and moderation. If you don't demonstrate an extreme will to rule, they let you slip through the cracks or let you leave the order.

There is a sensible and stabilizing reason for all of this and it explains why the Star Wars galaxy looks the way it does. If you believe the strongest should rule, it will naturally end up being force users that rule...But initially you will end up with multiple territories controlled by force users who rise up and take control in their respective regions like Feudalistic Lords or Ladies. What you end up with is essentially multiple "little Empires" run by their own Emperor or Empress. These little Empires can exist in a stalemate right up until one force user becomes so proficient they can subjugate the others or one of them simply dies and there is no force using line of succession, so the surviving force users can move in and take the territory.

You fast forward enough and you either end up with one true King or Queen force user ruling over all the others (proto-Sith) or you end up with an alliance formed between the force users to establish some sort of stability (proto-Jedi) that also realize they can't just exclude non-force users from rule because it will result in their extermination...

Imagine how mind boggingly awesome the concept of a personal communicator must have been in the 70s.

The entire Senate got held hostage and the planet didn't shut down.

The end result though is you get a perpetual oscillation between...
-force users establishing democracy
-a powerful and ambitious enough force user slipping through the cracks of a system designed to limit the political power of force users and destroying democracy
-followed by that same centralized force user ruler either also allowing a force user to slip through their cracks that creates a snowball effect that destroys their central authority
-or the central authority dies with no line of succession or an inferior line of succession and the random force users popping up until they hit critical mass and restore democracy

The way that the force gets distributed, the size of the galaxy, the limitation of tracking EVERYONE, the capacity of people to mask their use of the force, and so on all ensures the cycle keeps repeating inevitably. All of the other bullshit with the force is incidental. Shoot lightning, don't shoot lightning, kill, don't kill, it all comes down to the real end game of whether or not the force user believes in who should rule with it being once again, the Jedi thinking the public should rule, and the Sith believing the mightiest should rule (which will always be a force user).

Ghorman

German

Bravo Tolkien

Star Wars Joker spin-off

Good luck getting Disney to sign off on it. IP is so locked down to do things the legitimate way, that AI will be creating grey market content. It's not ideal, but the wild west comes in and out in waves. My hands feel like two balloons.

There's also the element of collectivism vs individualism. Arden Lyn recounts Xendor's primary reason for his break with the Order being a fundamental disagreement with subsuming individual study of all aspects of the Force beneath a collectivist lockstep into only focusing on Ashla and eradicating all other studies.

It happened in TCW S1.

What has history shown you?
Do you think that socialism should be tried a few more times, Bernie?

there should have been more flawed Jedi to make Order 66 more subjective

I think Jedi/Sith is boring;

we need more force religions and a multipolar galaxy that is able to have drama be generated in a manner that's less "slapping action figures together" and more what they did with star trek where it's "slamming 1/350th model kits"-together with map nerds making up why this conflict has some political or economic root cause;

we need more force religions and a multipolar galaxy that is able to have drama be generated in a manner that's less

This should have been the core of the sequel trilogy. There should have been multiple force using factions trying to fill the hole left by the jedi. More knight-like reformed jedi, hardline traditionalist space wizard cop types, drunken fist shoilin force monks, anything

Is that the orange is the new black girl? Could barely make it past season 1

That's true and could be something that falls under the category of how a Jedi order in any form it takes ultimately tries to implement its existence in practice. The goal is to get force users under the same roof, but then once you've got them there, even after they all agree that power should be in the hands of the people, there is still a ton they can disagree on.
I think that's what the anon I was responding to was sort of alluding to and what you're getting at as well. You can easily break up from the Jedi and Sith into a bunch of sub-belief systems and as this anon points out in between the cycle of Jedi and Sith rule, you naturally have a vacuum where no authority really exists and a ton of diverse factions can spring up basically like a sort of Cambrian explosion of ideas pertaining to the force, and then a natural consolidation of ideas as the groups intermingle and annihilate each other. You might get some factions that rely entirely on force magic, others that somehow integrate the force into technology or use it to build force augmented technology, all sorts of wild shit.

more importantly they should be orders that are/were largely parallel to the jedi order, if possibly eclipsed for a fair amount of time.

as in they've always been there just with some of them having been partially absorbed..

It might be controversial but I would have a relationship with her.

laffed hard at an interview where she said her mother at a young age would always tell her to smile more because her face is predisposed to looking sour all the time.

I pirated it for the rape scene and she doesn't even get raped. Bullshit.

MORE

for me its

There's two main reasons
the meta reason is that she's been a main character, so you've followed her journey and thus at least subconsciously empathise to some extent since you've been in her shoes for so long.

the in-universe reason is that she was taken in by the system from a very young age, molded into a tool for the system such that it was all she could think of serving, served it with a high degree of loyalty, determination, and initiative, and was ultimately brutally punished for it ironically. What she was doing was certainly evil, but from her life trajectory's pov her end is unbelievably cruel. that and being in an imperial prison forever like narkina is a fate worse than death

shes a Space 4/10

Apart from Dooku himself and Bariss Ofee, only Krell is presented as being flawed during TCW. Everyone else are just insects, following orders blindly, until Ahsoka leaves (which she shouldn't have been allowed to do given past Jedi reactions to that). Anakin himself only bucks the rules to win, gets frowned at. but never is actually punished (unless you count being saddled with a Padawan as punishment). For all intents and purposes, the Jedi are a hivemind monolith, barring the most cursory outliers, taking orders and fighting wars they shouldn't be.

we need more force religions

There were those, but most got stamped out by the Jedi millennia before the PT, save specific faith that didn't tread on Jedi Force philosophy or were determined to not pose any counter to Jedi control over how to believe the Force worked. The Dathomiri were insular are hardly ever left their world, the Bendu was a wanderer that was a species of one, and the Force witches we see in The Acolyte didn't proselytize hard enough to be any threat (oops). What other Force faiths we know about prior to 1000 BBY were all tributaries to the Jedi Order, in hiding, or so small they evaded notice and weren't a threat.