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Wish World waiting room edition

Just reality war. Wish World will be going up the usual time today.
Then next week for the finale they'll air wish-world first in Cinema's and then finale after when it goes live on BBC 1, Iplayer and D+ iirc.

Is her sonic screwdriver a IUD?

I'm so excited for some New Who! See you guys in a few hours, good night!

Ah yes RTD continuing his tradition of giving all time lords the same shit as the Doctor
They all have to have screwdriver gadgets apparently

"He's coming Russel. This is your last chance. I shall not say that again. Kill the Doctor!"

Hahahahaha! Yeah, it looks like a lubricant applicator for women.

Either that or a corkscrew for a wine mom.
Who the fuck okayed this?

It's a syringe, she's a scientist. Not that hard to understand.

I have never seen a curved flange before.

Nigger.

I can't wait to see RTD end Reality War at a horrible cliffhanger so that when there's death in the next episode, we won't care about the stakes.

LoL! Probably both a corkscrew and yeast infection medication/lube applicator. Perfect! Hahahahaha

But unironically.

doin a rewatch.

These two unironically killed this franchise.

the episode where the Doctor met the Tardis in the form of woman is one of Dr. Who's saddest episodes.

The Space Jesus scene started RTD's downfall.

because it was written by Neil Gaiman?

doctor who

I enjoy Doccy Who

more like chocky poo

I hate that episode so much. The epitome of telling over showing and fanfiction-tier hyper-elaboration of things that should have always remained unsaid.

They didn't even have the obligatory sex scene.

It's up!

Dubs decide what classic stories I watch today instead of RTD2 slop.

The Time Warrior

The Visitation

The Mark of the Rani

Adric: He read your mind?

Doctor: Well, he's a Time Lord! In many ways, we have the same mind.

RTD is using Logopolis to not bother giving other timelords any individuality and writing them the same as the Doctor.

Infero

The Talons of Weng-Chiang

Timelash.

Quints says Sea Devils

Is it shit?

That anon was lying, it isn't out for another 15 minutes.

But yes, it's shit.

it isn't out for another 15 minutes.

Can some anon just skip through and get a screenshot of CGI Crab claw Omega, for shitpost purposes

Think the beebs fucked up.
Says this programme will be available shortly after broadcast despite being on iplayer.
Lmao

it's actually up now

Can't believe the chuds made the Doctor straight

Pure filth:
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Please someone post Omega so I can sleep and avoid the episode

this is the future the beeb wants

Omega's in. They use audio clips of him. No CGI hand in this episode.

He's doing his "I'm shocked" face while the villain explains the plot at him again

Jesus. At least 4th's eyes bulging out was funny

They call Omega the "first Timelord" so I guess there's gonna be some Timeless Child retcons or fuckery next episode?

doubt people who exist to mutter a series of numbers

hey, I've seen this one before!

This niggas having doubts

He doubted? Slip it.

This bitch scared me shitless back in the day

He's very shocked

i have a daughter, poppy is real

What did he mean by this?

Bel calling the cops on 15s gay thoughts made me laugh

they keep having these insane finales where they introduce a villain who should be an entire season's villain and then he dies in 50 minutes

15 remembers who he is with a series of flashbacks of him twerking surrounded by men

What a nothing episode.

When the babby god made Conrad's wish to make the world better into reality, it also made the Doctor's quote from space babies that he wished he was poppy's daddy real too.

Does RTD think this dystopian present where everyone is forced to be straight, is what the real world is like?

It's like totally literally what's happening right heckin now with all the Conrads of the world in power

For a second , thinking about the "rani is the doctors sister" rumor, I thought "jeez ,her pretending they were lovers is odd."

That and the "blind to disabled poeple" bit-rtd just has negative subtlety it's hilarious

Imagine this episode but people get arrested for questioning trans or race crime statistics or something.

Just tell me whether CGI claw Omega actually shows up and let me die.

Can someone just post screen-grabs of the cliffhanger or best bits, none of the pirate sites bother to upload Doctor Who anymore (Dead enough that not even they see value)

Mrs. Flood is obviously going to turn good.

Conrad is blind to the struggles of disabled people

Because he does not know about the cocktail of drugs that it's necessary for Shirley to take to survive, she no longer needs them

Because he does not know about the ins-and-outs of wheelchair maintenance, her chair is always in pristine condition

What a cruel reality he has forced them into.

experimenting on the pantheon is a cool idea if done right

Rani opens the portal and Omega's voice is heard, but we don't see him yet.

just mentioned by name, no cgi anything yet
interestingly they call him the first time lord

There's nothing to screen grab. It's just the Rani explaining her plan to bring "the underverse" and Omega back (complete with flashes of the word "omega" on the screen). Then the balcony that the Doctor is on falls, while skyscrapers come out a glowing rip in the sky. It's just every RTD finale first parter

that's tecteun

I was kind of zoned out by the end so I didn't even realise that was supposed to be Omega speaking, I just thought 'wow, Conrad sounds weird there'

So Conrad isn't the Master? Russell Tovey 16th Doctor confirmed.

this whole story is just an excuse to retcon the timeless child kek

I think it'll double down on The Timeless Child instead - though audience will be led to believe otherwise.

Anon, RTD likes the Timeless Child.
His mate Chibnall came up with it, so it definitely isn't as nonsensical and widely disliked as "half-human on my mother's side", so doubling down is a good thing.

The book Conrad was reading was written by Susan Foreman

Lore is whatever is canon to you or not. It exists superfluous to the show. You want the Timeless Child and Faction Paradox? Sure. You don't want it? That's cool as well? That's the message of Wish World.

Trying to remember if The Legend of Ruby Sunday was this light on plot

Go back and check the transcript

RUBY: Just don't go changing your [face], okay?
DOCTOR: Oh, no. I'm keeping this one for a long, long time.

Lol.

Lore is whatever is canon to you or not.

That's the message of Wish World.

Anon... that's the message of the villains.

Wish World is created by a racist, sexist, homophobic character

dugga doo

Oh, and anti-disability also, just all the negative traits RTD wants to call fans who dislike The Timeless Child.

Why doesn't Conrad just wish the disabled people to normal health

Probably doesn't think they deserve to be normal.

It's weird to see a throwaway character like Krasko become the finale villain.

Of-course the person who was shilling the series the entire time was actually in the show:

youtube.com/watch?v=ywLHPgk5pQM

millie looked really good in this episode.

I thank you Rani for bringing me back. But I must ask, was making the Doctor straight really necessary? I mean this one seems pretty queer and I didn't found a Time Lord society that decimates against gender and sexual fluidity.

A good show would have the disabled people be healed to create some drama and and dilemma about if its ok to "fix" disableds or have it be a downside of "fixing" the wish world ("do i have the right?") But Russell just wants to attack people

RTD1 would have done that.

What Time Lord would be the most homophobic and why is it Rassilon?

Horrible little shill in his shillchair

But he wished the gay away, so what's the difference?

Imagine if Conrad made the Doctor white.

an episode where nothing happens just for a name drop

It's shit

It was funny seeing Rani dancing to classical music instead of pop but why the campy disco/dance scene at all every season

I like how they couldn't get Gatwa to do a kiss on the lips with a woman and had to go for the cheek kiss instead.

They forced Eccleston to kiss Barrowman on the lips.

This is why RTD2 failed.
Russel can't get his Doctor to kiss the wrong sex on the lips anymore.

This was RTD doing his best Moffat impression. He took it to heart you thought Moffat was better.

They literally kiss on the lips when they wake up in bed at the very beginning

No, Wild Blue Yonder was RTD desperately trying to be Moffat then failing horribly.

Honored to be in this screencap

Oh right. I forgot Rogue exists

it's RTD trying to emulate the worst of Moffat, The Wedding of River Song, and yet he still did it worse than Moffat, which is pretty embarassing.

How did the Rani even know about him to psyop the Doctor into remembering

Its another "Russel creates a strawman to attack his own audience" episode

Earth in May 2025 is in a vindicator web being influenced by a wish god

some time traveling space faggot from the 1800's is also beamed into a Hell dimension...for some reason.

Hell yeah

Please understand, RTD had to come up for a way for Rogue to cameo on short notice now Ncuti's left so there's never going to be a S3 episode where they meet up again in person to fuck.

There was a portrait of Susan Twist in the lobby in that episode.

True, but wish world is his attempt at a big alternate world like The Pandorica Opens/Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song. And it fucking sucks.

Good God man, have you never heard of downloads?

I miss Moffat bros...

Anyone got a link to the episode? Can't find it on Dailymotion

Giant skeletons walking around a dreamed up world where teapots fall through tables and a conspiracy theorist runs a TV show in order to awaken a dead time god using the power of a giggling baby. That is Moffat all over.

The Wedding of River Song was famously a load of rushed, convoluted nonsense that disappointed everyone invested in the Series 6 story arc

RTD decides to do his own spin on the same basic idea

Why???

I literally burst out laughing when the said "Omega"
Like is RTD really trying to bring back the lost fans by pandering to every interview mystery box guess? Hell Stubagful from years ago made a joke about this in his season 8 reviews, and he's a washed up depressed nobody nowadays.

But this episode was all set up, nothing to truly stand on its own, just mystery box set up. Belinda and Ruby looked good though, they should lez out and become tradwifes together

So basically.

Doctor's toxic maybe Ex depending on what RTD wants canon, teams up with a chud to wish a new world into existence where the Doctor has to be a straight guy, so the Doctor's maybe ex who's now two ex's can use the combined power of the newly born god of wishes and the doctor's memories, which only got triggered because the doctor's currently love interest is trapped in hell and made him realize he loved men, which caused Bellinda to get him deported. This combination of events now allows the two Rani's and Mr Chud to summon Omega from the underverse.

Is that correct?

The worst part is The Rani and Omega are literally whos who were in like 2 stories each. Nobody fucking cares about them.
I really hope this is it for Doctor Who. It just needs to be put to rest until someone new and creative can take it over. 15 year hiatus please.

I really thought it was gonna turn out to be the Ediface from the Ancestor Cell, and that the TARDIS once again exploded
But RTD can't even rip off cool ideas from bad books right

Also The Doctor realizing he wanted to kiss men was integregal because his doubt for liking women is the only thing strong enough in the universe to rip open reality and summon the underverse.

This seemed like a big finish story. Just missing Jackie Tyler.

Gay man being told to "just reign it in a bit" will literally destroy the universe

he's doing his own spin but it's far more boring
at least in the river song episode they had visuals like the pterodactyls attacking people for sandwiches and charles dickens on bbc 1

Lmao. No. Any RTD "twist" is the most shallow and thoughtless lore-pull

Beep The Meep

Toymaker

Sutekh

Rani

Omega

It's so tiring.

Omega's always been a shit, hammy villain, but at least there's some basic prestige of him having been in The Three Doctors and his position as one of the first Time Lords. As dull as he is, you can at least see some justification for bringing the character back.
But the Rani was the villain of one of the worst stories in the show's history and the entire appeal of the character rested solely on Kate O'Mara's performance. Nobody ever actually CARED about the Rani.
It's just so fucking desperate.

Like is RTD really trying to bring back the lost fans by pandering to every interview mystery box guess?

Yes... all for the sake of calling them racist, sexist, anti-disability, homophobic, incel, grifters.

Susan, The Rani, Omega and likely The Master all returning for a final episode to again reinforce the Timeless Child and expand on it even further to ruin the legacy of The Doctor.

Reoccurring phrase or person throughout the season

Is revealed to be a returning famous monster from classic who

World/reality is ending

Solved with an unsatisfying deus ex machina

Russel really needs to change the formula

"Hey guys its me, RTD. I know you guys loved Parting of the Ways and Midnight, so I've done those episodes but worse"

The giggle was a baby all along.

My FRAUKIN hero.
A true writer of pure, kino. No one can ever compete with Russel, my fraukin' lord!

Will the fourth wall breaking be explained?

Can't forget they'll bring back The Mara and the Trickster next season at this rate. Maybe even Voord, the Zarbi and one for Big Finish, The Word Lord

So...could the rani just turn people into birds because she was holding a magic baby?
How is this Doctor Who?

No, that's a carry over from before russel read the instagram comments thinking she was The Rani and he changed it.

should have turned them into dugga doos

So Mel's dying in the next episode right? As everything else apart from that, Gatwa regenerating and the CGI Hand of Omega have yet to be shown on screen and the last two are 100% happening.

Don't ask questions, chud
Just wait until they reveal it next season

But Russel.. I don't think we're getting another season!

She worked out the science behind the pantheon so she can use magic now, or something.

TRUEEE

Can't believe this was all a stunt by the Rani to get some time-lord dicking so she can repopulate Gallifrey, just cause the gay Doctor would never fuck her and she has to go and pull Omega out from the underworld.

"Heh, incel"

I could excuse some of the magical handwaving Moffat did in season 5 because of the charming fairytale theme, like Amy wishing The Doctor back into the universe at her wedding, that was earned after an entire season, but this season has just been lazy tonal disaster. So when RTD pulls shit like that it makes me hate it even more, like he thinks he's earned the right to play loose with the narrative. Retarded.

The Rani's one defining characteristic is that she's a scientist

Make her do magic now

Ummm thanks Russel

Sins of Flesh was the better gay conversion therapy story desu

People have always joked about the reveal never being omega and the Rani so to have both back seems odd. It's like when Morbius took the joke feedback seriously.

I don't want to defend this too much but the Rani using science to make her own timelords, and bring them back it actually a good use of her character, it's just convoluted how they've done it now.
maybe she could've used Looms instead.

I can't wait for the finale to have the Rani and Omega have raw, monstrous sex, for 44 minutes and the last 10 to be explaining that Bigeneration is actually a side effect of The Timeless Child experiments and ALL time Lords could bigenerate and the Doctor was just bad at it

stress testing the pantheon's powers to bring back omega sounds like something a time lord mad scientist should be doing

Oh don't get me wrong. I've no issues with Rani in a post time war world being the one who wants to try and bring the Time Lords back. Of course she seemed a lot more against the Time Lords in classic, but clearly Russel just wants you to believe a lot of shit happened off screen for his new direction.
But I'm still going to take the piss that we're now in a situation when we already had Gallifrey back where the scientist time-lord needs to wish on a literal god baby to bring back Omega because they decided to blow up Gallifrey again a few seasons back

So Poppy is actually the Doctor and Belinda's daughter now? What does that mean?

I would have preferred to see Ruby as the Doctor's wife.

So is Poppy "real" as in she wasn't a creation of the wish? Or real as in that IS the doctors daughter and she is part time lord?
I'm sure we'll find out next week and I'm sure it'll be disappointing

poppy is the doctor and the rani’s child. the rani alluded to them being something romantic once upon a time.

I will say that there is potential with the Rani & Omega, the Rani is a mad scientist and Omega is a tragic figure.
You can't just 'reveal' them because you are right, they are literal who's, they need to be reestablished and fleshed out first.

choccy who

Why do RTD and Moffat have to make The Master and the Rani be Doc who's old flames?
What's wrong with them just being enemies or just old acquaintances?

The Doctor wished he was her dad in the space babies episode.

Link to the episode?

Poppy is gonna be the Doctor's adopted daughter (and Susan's mother) all because gays can't reproduce

Russel is literally unwell

next season

Anon...

so how is it
are we in for an empire of death 2.0 soon?

Jenny fans seething rn

It's funny that RTD is changing so much just to fit in Ncuti being gay. Especially when it's highly unlikely that the role will be played by a flaming gay man again

Russell Tovey

It's on here.
moviewebby.com/show/doctor-who-ygeaYz-793e1de919/

Just select wish world

It's funny because Nardole was straight despite Matt Lucas being gay.

We'll get a next season, but it won't have the Disney budget and it will have Doctor kiss the Rogue man before he regens into Tom Holland and has sex with new companion, Holly from Remember Monday

after 13, 14 & 15 it would good to have a masculine doctor again, maybe someone gruff like 9 or an action hero like 3.
but I don't think they'll go in that direction again.

Ruby's step mother really hates her.

I hope we get a grumpy old man again like 12

I hope we get a sexy young woman

Ummmm that would be glorifying toxic masculinity and Andrew Tate. We can't have that chud

You see a sexually liberated female doctor would in fact be owning the chuds, not fanservice Russell.

I wish but we'll never have that again, not marketable enough
They made 13 completely sexless, they don't to risk any objectification
I afraid your right, even if we get a white man again they'll make him a little zesty.

The funny thing is now would be the perfect time to have Doctor Who present a more positive masculine figure to help combat the social influence fag grifters like Tate. But no, we get a crying queer or Billie Piper (girl boss mode) instead

"The Rani and The Doctor were once lovers who danced the waltz"
BASED RUSSEL I KNEEL TO THE TRAD HETERONORMATIVE DOCTOR WHO! CONRAD WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

Russel. Why are all your time lord villains the Doctor's ex?

When we used to talk about the Doctor being a woman it was pointed out that the character wasn't strictly macho, he was pacifist, compassionate and often defeated his enemies with indirect means.
The character does show masculine qualities a well, he takes charge, he firmly stands for what he believes and he can physically fight when he needs to.

I'm just saying he's been a mix between the feminine and masculine bit they seem dot have forgotten that, but the like you said of a friendly masculine doctor would be great, a sort of big brother or an uncle figure.

Because its the only way modern fans can understand, evil people are your ex OR your dad
So Omega will be Tecteun's husband and the Doctors father, and the Rani will be his first girlfriend and Susan's grandmother obviously

Any maybe Belinda will be Patience or The Master who knows

So with only one more set of episodes that Disney paid for out of the 24, the TARDIS has been blown up, the Doctor is a homo, and his wife is homophobic.
So next season will have the Doctor stuck on Earth with a faulty TARDIS, we need another old companion back so Jo Grant or Nysaa. Romana will be in the finale to fix the TARDIS, and Ncuti will regenerate, cut to credits and the show will go on hiatus for another decade.

Sasuga, Russell the Davis, I knew the madlad could pull it off, making Doctor Who a mess not even Rob Shearman could fix

Apparently that "Omega shall be free" audio clip is from one of the Big Finish box sets

Just finished the ep

Doctor Who is fucking dead isn't it

Anywhere I can download it?

Archive footage since the BF VA for that died few years back.
So Omega in the next episode is either just gonna use archive voice lines, a new actor, won't speak. Or be Peter Davison.

What a fucking mess

Not yet
Next week when Omega is revealed to be a hot young twink, and has sex with the Doctor while Belinda watches, then it'll be over

it's a cgi crab monster

Nope. The whole episode was about misinformation and a fake reality. So the Doctor will have to reinforce the "truth" that he's the actual first Timelord, not Omega. It's Russel doubling down on the Timeless Child stuff and calling you a Conrad if you disagree. It's another gay meta commentary attacking the fans

YOU'RE A MAN
HOW CAN YOU FIND ANOTHER MAN BEAUTIFUL

Babies from space! They have little farting rocket strollers and everything.

I'm sure it'll be Omega is the first one to call himself Time Lord, but the Doctor will be The Other and Russell will sit there all smug

Colonel Ibrahim is Muslim.

The Master is actually properly dead now.

The Rani said it, there is just the Doctor and the Rani left now.

RIP Master.

ruin show

don't fix show

let your personal neurosis completely take over the writing process

drive yourself ever deeper into a hole where the fans are wrong for complaining, and you're the victim

"Nooooo! but I'm oppressed!" says wealthy celebrated writer, with wheel barrow full of Disney cash

So, when is he leaving, and when are they making it normal again?

Fruity Gatwa is built for Big Welsh Cock

What's even happening in Doctor now?

When they find anyone willing to take over. Which probably isn't the best idea given anyone currently looking to take over are likely proteges of Russel.
It's the exact reason RTD came back to begin with, because no one but him was willing to take over from Chibnall after Chibnall had to fight to keep the show on air

Belinda's biryani

Dead probably. He's a disabled child. He simply wouldn't have survived in Conrad's world, unlikely to have got his intelligence upgrade too, because that would be too complex for Conrad to grasp.

Just dead in a gutter somewhere.

Notice there were no crip kids in the spaz camp. All dead.

Lawrence Miles

Why not give Ben Aaronvich and Andrew Cartmel a call?

Yeah, this is the problem people who screech about people like Tate haven't quite cottoned onto. It was them that did it.
He isn't even that masculine. He's kind of a prissy retard who is obsessed with amassing wealth and consumer products (like a woman).
In an environment where the mainstream hadn't all but banned actual masculine men from existing, Tate would have no pull whatsoever.

Dugga doo dugga doo
Dugga dugga dugga doo
Dugga doo dugga doo
Dugga dugga doo

SACK Russel T Davis
SACK Jane Tranter
SACK Phil Collinson
SACK Julie Gardener

would genuinely rather sit there and watch the one hour version of dugga doo than sit through wish world again.
Absolute dreck

the next doctor

Not watched this since the 1st season of Capaldi finished. What's worse: black man seasons or white woman seasons?

Eccleston says he wants Billie Piper to be the next Doctor.

Ncuti is hate watchable, Jodie I couldn't watch at all.

Black Man seasons.
Woman seasons at least tried something new each season.
Black man seasons are just remixes of old stories and doing the same exact over-arcing plot beats 2 seasons in a row

Black man isn't even the worse RTD Doctor. It goes Eccleston>Gatwa>Tennant

The children yearn for Pertwee

Anon, the reason you get young boys flocking to the likes of Tate is because of the media and education. They have both 'deconstructed', 'updated for a modern audience', or straight-out removed a range of male role models in fiction, combined with telling young boys that men are the reason behind everything bad in the world. The establishment has created the situation and they are just too arrogant and retarded to either acknowledge or realise it. It is laughable that Stammer thinks showing something like Adolescence in school is now going to get taken seriously by any lads.

Juno Dawson has already been picked by Russell to be his successor if Disney gives the greenlight

I like the actor himself but he tends to be in anti-right wing propaganda such as 'This is England' and 'Adolescent'.

Lawrence Miles will make the most unhinged, liberal schlock but it would be amazing to see Faction Paradox on tv

So Doctor Who would be a natural fit.

Based and Duggapilled

ME OWN CONRAD, A FOOKEN VILLAIN

Miles does not have the experience.
The problem is threefold. Firstly, the show is tainted. Secondly, even if someone was interested to come in then they would have to work in constraints of the BBC's culture and policies - that some are not going to want to do. Thirdly, NuWho never encouraged talent - it was dominated by the same number of people, of the same backgrounds and views.

As a different point, going from producer and script editor to showrunner was probably a mistake in the long-term.

You can see it coming a mile away that all that will happen is quiet wimpy lads called Jamie are going to get the absolute piss ripped out of them (while the people who are really stabbing people and being overbearing toward women just keep right on doing that)

I remember them showing us Schindler's List, and about as much as anyone internalised was "boring black and white film", and there was a tit in there somewhere.

I miss when the cute girls wore revealing clothes and accidentally flashed their knickers on tv
But now we dont even get to see Ruby Sunday wearing any tight fitting clothes or Belinda in her nightie

Actually outlives Nu Who

Imagine 15th Doctor meeting Krasko, would have been a lot more kino than 13 meeting him.

you know, i really think he MIGHT

He will die next week

We'll never get kino like that moment again

If 4 came back in the latest season he'd have a line about how he always wanted to fuck a man or how beautiful Ncuti is

I don't know what people will think of DW in 50 years time but I hope by then 10's fame diminishes and 4 is considered the sole, most iconic Doctor once again.
I'm not even a 4 fanboy, I'm just feeling spiteful towards Nu-Who.

Tennant is hated by the public now because of his trans child.

If you’re a gay actor and you’re good at your job, you should have the range to believably play characters who aren’t gay. If they’re having to change a 60 year old character to make them gay because he lacks that range, then he should never have been cast in the first place.

And Doctor Who wished it was like the old days

I'm convinced Russel has brain worms. He's criticising the fans while he just constantly brings back things from the "old days" of Classic Who (and even his own original run).

I agree, but I also think there's a chance that Tom Baker gets metoo'd after he dies and the show tries to memory hole him

Just lining up a long list of classic characters to make them do something gay on screen.

I think Sutekh felt more desparate nostalgia bait but bringing back the Rani, Susan and Omega in one episode is ridiculous though.

next big bad is going to be the Judeo-Christian God and Ncuti will twerk him out of existence

flagrantly erases things he doesn't like (like Davros being in a """wheelchair""")

fans aren't allowed to have opinions on what they do or do not like, even when they can intelligently explain exactly why the timeless child is stupid and kind of ruins the character

definitely do NOTHING that might bring the audience back, we have to crash the entire franchise with our hubris, otherwise bigotry wins or something

And these people wonder why growing sectors of the public refuse to tune in, and want their organisations completely defunded and broken up.

right-wing conspiracy theorist wants to create a world with no free speech where people get arrested for saying the wrong thing.

As if this hasn't been a policy for the current left-wing Labour government

To be fair, I would arrest RTD.
Not because he's "one of them", just because I don't like him.

"You're all so horrible" said the spiteful Welsh poof

I can't wait for The Doctor and Belinda to watch The Three Doctors on an ipad next week

what was the point of that episode? why is the rani characterised almost exactly like the saxon master? why didn't they bother to show omega?

Sad thing is Reform will see the BBC defunded and broken up if they get in, instead of using it to promote a new era of chud Doctor Who.

No. You see, that's where everybody's wrong. It's all ONE title: "New Who No More". Now... what would you think that means, eh?

So I'm guessing they're only just now bringing Omega back because Bob Baker died?

I want to know if Conrad and Ruby actually had sex or not.

I love how a gay man's idea of a dystopia is one where everyone is married with kids living a happy trad family life

The baby is magic because the world works by fairytale rules since Wild Blue Yonder.

Curiously, the belief that a seventh son of a seventh son has special powers is not widespread in Germany, making it a weird choice for setting the opening of the episode there. But then again, people associate fairytales with the Brothers Grimm and Rani came in riding and wearing a red hood, so its a little piece to set the mood.

I think there is more of a chance that, if not 10, it is 11 that gets thought about. At least in the popular consciousness. Unless you are part of a generation where 4th was the Doctor or are into Classic, I do not see how someone born in 2025 is going to have any thought or association with 4th. In things like the 4th Doctor being in broader pop culture decreases as you increasingly move away from that era and the people that were part of that time period. As for what people think of DW in general, I do not think it really will be a thing in pop culture beyond something that used to be for in 2050 for people around now that will have become then the older generation.

If they could reality, why not just make the disabled people un-disabled?

reboot when

RTD's idea of dystopia is one where he doesn't get to ruin TV shows.

Doctor Who references in other shows are still always the scarf and fedora.

She's scientifically exploring the possibilities of a universe where faith and belief are tangible forces. She's applying physics to magic.

Wait, was Tharries actually in the episode?

I think the twist would have been better if Conrad was the REAL father of the God of Wishes, but Ruby got an abortion. Leading to this tradwife thing wish world had.
If they fleshed out Conrad a bit more beyond oooh evil man he hates the aliens, it would work.
But yeah, Conrad and Ruby had sex, she took it up the bum as all Manchester women do

because they didn't even register that they existed to chud godking, they exist in a liminal space on the fringes

Conrad couldn't see them so they were unaffected. It wasn't explained well in the episode but he stopped thinking about South America and it got flooded, so he has to focus on things to change them.

Because inciting people to murder and riot based on a known lie is exactly the same thing as complementing a fellow man as being good looking and breaking a teacup.

Honestly, people would have more respect for the far right if you didn't sound like you were at the thicky table at school every time you open your mouths.

A lot of that though is those things are being made by a generation that was exposed to 4th as the Doctor. They make that reference because that is the Doctor to them. Once you move away from that and get into creatives that are more familiar, or just, with Nu then you are going to get the switch.

Last week everyone was crashing out over the bad Palestine allusion, but now everyone is complaining that they brought Omega back, the one thing people begged for since the Master returned in S3.
I'd rather they bring back Gallifrey and just be done with Last of the Time Lord nonsense

If Chibnall didn't kill the time lords again then RTD would have done it anyway.

No explination for how the Biryani survived the time war and how she came back.

doubt we'll get anything about it next week either

4 was considered the iconic doctor by Americans because he was the only one shown on PBS, sadly you might be right.
once the boomers die off his status might fade but in 50 years DW might be forgotten regardless. I would say 'we'll see' but I'm not (probably) going to live that long.

i think more people are gonna be annoyed at the fact that omega gets the same "monster" treatment as sutekh did last series.
the new omega is a giant cgi crab.

What kind of reboot is the question.

chameleon arch like yana

nice headcanon

She didn't have to survive the time war since it never killed them, they got Cyber converted instead. She chould have just been visiting another planet at the time.

Better than last season's imo and The Rani was fun in a campy way. But still a mess.

you can pinpoint the moment she remembers

Yea. Which explains why I get recommended videos of him defending the RTD2 viewership

Retards that say things like "Doccy Who" are what killed this franchise. When I am God Emperor, they will be among the first in the off-world salt mines.

most retarded gay shit I've ever seen, fuck russell, glad this shit is getting canned

Dugga Doo becomes the Sneed of Doctor Who

Nice cherry-picking. This guy was arrested by counter terror police and sentenced to two years in prison because he designed stickers that criticised immigration.

isn't this just the plot of the sound of drums

yes. finales where the villain has already won are low stakes since everything will be undone at the end.

Can someone remind me - how did the weird alternate reality bring back Omega?

Should have kept Mrs Flood as The Rani and had the punja be The Master

Fake world conrad imagining and powered by pantheon baby falls apart under close scrutiny, the doctor is a time lord and super duper special so when he has doubts the universe itself starts to crack apart and omega can come through

The Rani distorting reality into a lawless irrational soup of nonsense existance until the void is exposed

I just got into here and I am not watching the episode. What's happening with Omega being brought back?

yeah, russell doesn't understand that the larger you make the stakes it's just amplifies the retardation when the doctor just snaps his finger and everything goes back to normal at the end, I think every one of his finales revolves around the world or the universe ending, ironically the parting of the ways did it better because it was confined to a space station and a future earth/reality

If RTD had any sense, he's have Peter Davison play Omega

Omega is being brought back

and he's a fucking crab

RTD brought back Omega as a camp diva played by Russell Tovey. The episodes on him twerking on the grave of Bob Baker.

I gathered that. In-universe why and how?

Why

dunno

How

magic

That would conflict with Big Finish, where that body was destroyed again. And after Philip Madoc died, Omega's last appearance was with Stephen Thorne's voice again, who has since died, but they still used archive footage from Big Finish to have him voiced by Thorne again for this episode.

Now, if the dub is any indication, the German version uses an unusually young sounding voice that doesn't sound a bit like Thorne at all, so maybe he'll return in a young body next week.

This is just incredbily bad writing on RTD's part (shocker, I know) as he doesn't really understand what a fascist is. Him and his ilk have twisted the word fascist around so many times in their heads that it's been reduced to "mean nasty white man who says things I don't like."
Whereas if you did give a fascist like Conrad the power to recreate reality, it would not even have disabled people, or johnny-foriegners at all.

Not going to lie, this would have been pretty cool as an RTD1 finale before he went completely insane with the woke stuff. No worse than Last of the Timelords at least.

a known lie

What lie would that be?

If you were disappointed by the Rani's villain dance being just some boring classical music then you'll be much more impressed with Omega's montage at the start of The Reality War, it's this:
youtu.be/0XlO39kCQ-8?si=OEAEVbyeR-IsOHPb

I saw it at the press event in Cannes, it's great fun and the show dives right into it just after the Doctor is saved from the falling balcony by the TARDIS.

That would conflict with Big Finish

As if that's ever stopped them before. The Giggle erased all the non-TV Toymaker stories from canon (AKA The only good ones).

how can we make this obviously authoritarian system seem more le bad to the viewer?

I know!....homophobia...

hack AIDS shit

This will make up for no Walk Like an Egyptian by Sutekh.

I dunno, Farage has used Doctor Who as a talking point in his speeches, if only briefly. If they get in (they won't) they might put pressure on to bring back British classic telly, with Doctor Who being among those returning to it's roots. Like I said though, very unlikley.

Farage is a fake chud and wants to sell off British assets to foreign entities.

Perhaps. But the majority of Reform are not. If they win, Pandora's Box will have been opened and there's really no going back from there.

the BBC will be insta-privatised under a Reform government and the IP sold to the highest bidder which will be pennies now that it's been so thoroughly raped, which means ironically we might get some kino finally because the show won't be controlled by communist BBC tranny nonces

The Giggle erased all the non-TV Toymaker stories from canon

Er, no. It canonized them, just erased them from the current timeline.

like disney on its own would be any better

good, tear it all down

tardis exploded at the end of the last episode

this will literally never be explained

memory holing the dozens of people who died in BLM riots

explained in the pandorica opens

it can't get any worse, besides disney is incredibly hit and miss based on their various star wars shows

Man, people have been thrown in prison for placing bacon sandwiches where they weren't supposed to be.

iirc that guy got murdered in prison so he essentially got a death sentence. Meanwhile, the police instruct Muslims to hide their weapons at the local mosque.

dugga doo

it's nice to have a portrayal of a dictator that isn't a foaming at the mouth insane schizo but conrad just seems well-meaning and pleasant?

I mean, despite how shit disney are, they are handling Star Wars, Alien, and Predator better than the BBC are handling DW.
Also, I hate that I just said that entire sentence.

I wonder if this will end with Conrad and Mrs Flood killing the indian Rani and finding a small redemption arc.

Alien

Lol nope. At least our black faggot isn't a fucking downie.

Is it really worse than DW tho?

But the majority of Reform are not.

Farage has already expelled anyone who has a spine and doesn't follow him blindly. And Mr Farage himself is taking orders from Zia Yusuf and now doesn't even support deportations.
Reform are now just Tory Lite, and as such, they will do absolutely nothing but preserve the status quo, including the BBC.

What kind of message would that be giving?

Obviously not since it's not British

I have literally just explained why it's even worse. Just fucking look at him.

Farage has used Doctor Who as a talking point in his speeches

He literally only mentioned Doctor Who in one speech and that was specifically in response to Mark Corden being at Question Time

reddit loved the new episode

Reform voters want to keep the BBC and NHS in public hands but just see less brown nurses and actors, and that's the problem. Privatization is inevitable.

doubt.
Anything they produce will just be a bland forgettable Alien movie, as opposed to a complete raping of the entire concept.

Yes, he is. But that's not how RTD intends for him to be seen. He should be seen as sinister and manipulative shadowy figure pulling all the evil strings. It just further emphasises how out of touch the production team are with reality, funnily enough.

New thing always good, give it a day or two for the reality to set in

I hate how RTD has to make his politics so obvious.

Conrad hates gays and disabled so he made homos illegal and the disabled have their own skid row

wouldn’t it make more sense for their disability to be fixed so the dobut is stronger?

They’re just not contrarian boardies

then the doctor would be making their lives worse by reversing it

It was a good episode. Best since Twice Upon a Time.

My only hope for the next episode is for Ruby to suplex Conrad through a table, if that happens I'll take back every bad thing I've said about rtd

That the point of Rani plan.
Basically this: indian woman ask white guy to make other people life hell so it will fuel her own quasi-god

What is this argument that (allegedly) right wing podcasters hate the disabled, anyway? Have you seen these people? A solid 60% of them are clearly on the autistic spectrum.

Pretty sure it's the Labour government who have just decided it's time to kick down on disabled people, and blame them for all of the money that keeps being wasted in mysterious "black holes".

Himmler had autism.

doubt

Pretty sure it's the Labour government who have just decided it's time to kick down on disabled people

You're thinking of the last Tory budget, Labour are just carrying it on

What is this argument that (allegedly) right wing podcasters hate the disabled, anyway?

It's probably because they say "retard" and "retarded"

Specifically out of spite towards the Doctor, like for Rasslion homophobia isn't even about some non-existent norm in a regenerating Time Lord society, it's about punishing the Doctor (who is currently zesty) for 10 preventing him from sacrificing the universe to effectively become a god.

The only hope for the next episode is for Ruby to get naked.

The episode would’ve been a lot better if they’d cut out all the pantheon of gods shit. It should be a sci-fi show, but they seem obsessed with using literal magic and wishes as a crutch for hack writing. Not sure whether this was a Disney directive or a RTD idea.

explained in the pandorica opens

Moffat's the one who'd make up some insane plot fuckery to explain that away. RTD will just say "it's magic lol" and proceed, like he did in The Giggle.

Maybe they should cut funding to some of their climate change scams and art programs, instead of cutting benefits for disabled people.
Maybe MPs could take a voluntary wage cut.
Maybe they could stop threatening to just give money away to people over seas, for seemingly no benefit to the people of their own country.

Nah bro, that guy who's on the dole because he has no legs and PTSD is the problem, obviously. Fucking SCROUNGER. Disgusting.

same reason russell is still bent out of shape about imaginary homophobia- boomer zogbrain

I had whiplash from him being a Moffat critic to a Chib deepthroater to a soft russel critic

He was a huge Chib critic too before he suddenly did a 180 and started deepthroating him

Alright calm down Lawrence Miles

climate change scams

Man made climate change is real and there's nothing anyone can do about it as long as corporations put money before the health of the planet.

Omega was still a Gallifreyan when he got the succ into the anti matter universe and Rassilon then went onto create time Lords, eubros did we get retconed by worse shit yet again

Don't question it chud, she turned people into trees in Mark of the Rani so it's fine ok????

The idea of the Rani experimenting with magic from a scientific perspective was kind of interesting, kind of like the SCP Foundation test logs.

It’s Disney Who

notice how desperate they are to make that one a left-right issue

Dumping billions into "carbon capture", which will clearly never amount to anything, while most of the money just goes in someone's pocket is a scam, and you can't tell me it isn't.
Investing in solar panels, while simultaneously investing in dimming the sun, is a scam. They're all just laughing at you.

The pantheon storyline is just awful and there’s no sign of it ending while RTD remains showrunner. I’m convinced he only did it because they’ve run out of original ideas for sci-fi monsters and thought adapting gods from different mythologies would keep the show limping on for a few more years.

art programs

Culture, arts and media are a form of global soft power. Britain used to be popular and have influence worldwide due to ours, before it all went to shit and they made Doctor Who a woman of course

She breaks the fourth wall so obviously ascended to godhood like Sutekh.

but she was mortal before

just don't think about it

Aye. Just look at all the fucking weeaboos. You may not like it but there's no denying that Japan is infinitely more popular than, say, Pakistan.

They were just cutting it for people with things like Autism or depression, (on brit/pol/ we call them 'benniemongs', the people who actually need it will still get it.

Do you understand how difficult it is to get a job when you have autism?
A job interview may as well be an exercise in filtering out autistic people.

Imagine you became showrunner after RTD. You’d have to deal with:

Literal gods and magic being real now

The Doctor being canonically gay

The Timeless Child

Bigeneration

14th Doctor with a TARDIS still living on Earth

And that’s not counting what might happen in the next episode. The show isn’t salvageable without a full-on reboot.

I haven't watched the show in well over a decade, but from what I remember, the first 3 seasons of the show were well-written and witty. I have no idea why the fanbase for this show is so incredibly stupid.

big reality bomb goes off, and resets the show back to my preferred status quo

Just pick up where the movie left off and say the Time War unexisted itself so the reboot never happened or something.

Tumblr took over.

With only one episode left, the finale now has to perform miracles: justify this mess, tie the threads together, and inject meaning where there's currently none. Doctor Who used to remix its past into something alive, urgent, and new; here, it just gawks at its own reflection, hoping a few barely recognisable names will do all the heavy lifting. Once upon a time, Russell T Davies brought heart and clarity to a show left for dead, reviving it with enough energy and emotional force to make it essential playground currency across Britain. Now, it feels like he’s coasting. This isn’t Doctor Who with something to say, it’s a desperate exposition dump, stitched together from scraps of nostalgia and noise. Worst of all, it expects that to be enough.

Kek the IGN review is brutal

The Time War either got undone by Faction Paradox shenanigans, or the the entire Time War was a lie / false reality or whatever due to Faction Paradox shenanigans.

the first 3 seasons of the show were well-written and witty

You're talking about the 1960s, right.

Can’t argue with any of this. How much of NuWho’s early success was actually down to RTD and how much was down to script editors people with the foresight to shoot down most of his bad ideas?

I'd be hard pushed to find a reason to keep any of NuWho in continuity, really. What good additions to the lore did any of it make?
The whole arc of the Time War is immediately undercut by bringing the Timelords back, and immediately killing them all. The past 20 years is actually just ruined now. People don't understand the degree to which it has been ruined.

Most of Russel's ideas were stolen from the era stuff or slightly reworked ideas from classic who

I would add being able to use parts of the EU as a template or inspiration.

Ah but RTD is listening to the people who *really* matter - Twitter shills who he repays with cameos on the show

Flat out carried by Chris Eccleston and Stephen Moffat (and the occasional wilderness years writer he cribbed), desu.
The degree to which RTD is overly celebrated is kind of ridiculous, actually. Mr "farting aliens" was never the guy responsible for making anything good.

stuff next episode including 16 wearing a face that was a former companion and lover

I know it’s not confirmed yet, but, if it does happen, you can put that to the top of the list

i think it has potential but man the next show runner has it ruff

So what did the Africa episode accomplish? A No Martin cameo? Is that all?

It's fixable if you just do another time skip. It's the perks of having a character that's effectively immortal.
The only issue is you're still constrained by the BBC's modern day wishes. But you can easily have a 16th doctor who's been busy and active for a 100 years off screen hanging around in 2027-2030 etc.

Stories are things that can influence gods and even Reality if people believe in them enough

expect you still have the matter of Sixteen's face to deal with if the leak/rumour is true

They desperately need to change the format. The two part finale that everything leads to (where the villain is revealed and defeated) is so outdated now. And even if it wasn't, it's completely run it's course under RTD. Until this changes, the show is doomed

How can you have ANY hope for Omega after how they handled Sutekh?