Return of the Jedi feels like the shitty prequels, but I can't put my finger on why
Return of the Jedi feels like the shitty prequels, but I can't put my finger on why
kid humor
lots of cartoony aliens
shitty dialogue
new villain appears once, is only known for their design/aura, and immediately killed off
climax has like 3 different battles happening at once
bad green screen
Yep, its the prequels.
ewoks
movie starts with Luke fighting a scary monster and escaping
next scene is Luke fighting ANOTHER scary monster and escaping
Boring han solo, lea on endor side quest
Ewoks
The only kino parts are the final confrontation with the emperor
This. Jabba Palace and Luke, Vader and Emperor were only good parts Them building a Death Star 2 always annoyed me and blowing it up the exact same way was even worse . Like maybe not have a way where a single blast can blow your entire Death Star up
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The prequels aspect is reinforced because of the CGI in the post 1997 version, watch the 1983 version
new villain appears once
He was in the previous movie.
I think he’s referring to Jabba, not the Emperor.
blowing it up the exact same way
they didn't though
He's in the first movie.
The main issue is so much time being spent on Han and Leia
It's mostly because Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace both had lots of different stories happening at the same time during the climax.
ROTJ
Luke and Vader fight
space battle
ground battle on Endor
TPM
lightsaber duel
Gungans vs droids battle
battle in the palace
space battle
It's the pulpiest Star Wars movie, and that's why it's my favorite
Yes it was. Use small ships, get into Death Star, fire to cause a chain reaction. Death Star go boom
Very poorly directed and edited. Writing is nerfed. Most of the leads have no character arcs. Every storyline set up in Empire is almost completely abandoned or has no real consequence in Jedi. Pointless plot twist. Phoned in performances from most of the leads. So much of the plot either doesn't make sense (the plan to infiltrate Jabba's den) or is completely expendable (everything on Endor). The whole thing is just way too tidy - Lando's previous transgression goes unpunished and ignored, Leia and Han have a preposterous non-arc with their relationship, where the film dangles the question of "will they or won't they" when it was already resolved in ESB, and Luke is never in any real danger of defecting and turning to the dark side. It's almost as if they recycle the arcs of ESB, but without any of the weight or substance.
Lucas loves style over substance.
The dialogue sounds like all the actors, especially Harrison, are bored and reading off of cue cards. and a lot of the lines are dumb retorts that don't add anything. "I used to live here you know" "you're gonna die here you know" or "your overconfidence is your weakness" "your faith in your friends is yours"
Poor cat. Those disgusting mutants that can barely walk are thankfully banned in my country due to animal cruelty laws.
Harrison hated making star wars, constantly arguing with Lucas about the script
hates when fans talk to him about any movie that he's ever been in
hates acting in general
he only wants the money and fame
Man, that greedy thankless kike can't die soon enough. The movie industry will be ten times better without him.
Once Tatooine is done everybody except Luke gets delegated to background characters
fucking nailed it. also the story was fucking gay. Luke refuses to fight a genocidal mass murder . . . .because he's a jedi? What the fuck! Jedi are pacifists now? Luke fucking force choked pig earlier in the movie and killed at least 4 dudes and now he's a motherfucking pacifist!
but muh gud in Vader muh prophecy
it was all so fucking stupid. People forget that a lot of Star Wars fans were pissed with this movie until the prequels redirected their anger.
its the middle section that feels totally out of place between the kino ending and kino beginning
The whole movie sucks. Sorry that you still haven't figured this out, but the star wars movies are all terrible
Because of the childish ewok shit and the bad writing.
Jedi was the film in the original trilogy that Lucas had the most control over.
Yep they die really young because of internal organ/back problems. :(
Lucas' humor is so fucking embarrassing. He always thinks kids are gonna like his retarded Jar Jar or Jedi Rocks antics. Why didn't anyone ever tell him to stop?
Luke wants to save Vader because Vader is his father. Both Obi-Wan and Yoda both want Vader to die
Still the last good Star Wars movie.
I forgot Luke flew into the Death Star's core and had to outrun flames
he did save his father. He incapacitated his father in saber combat then decided not to kill the emperor because killing is wrong and shieeet
What? That opinion was treatised in the plinkett videos, you'd have to avoid talking about star wars on the internet to avoid the reason
It's because its when george decided to think of the story as set pieces and everything is written to get to the next set piece. And the finale is the lightsaber battle, space battle, and ground battle all edited together at the same time like TPM. ROTJ also has bad dialogue/exposition scenes, that may be the worst thing.
it has some of if not my favorite scenes in the franchise but it's also complete shit as an actual movie so I will watch the tatooine scenes and then turn it off most of the time
Luke refuses to fight a genocidal mass murder . . . .because he's a jedi? What the fuck! Jedi are pacifists now?
Wait is this right? I remember him swinging at sheev but it's blocked by vader's lightsaber. He just wouldn't kill vader because he's his dad. I think he did something stupid like throw down his lightsaber though like the sith lord was just going to give up and not kill him with evil space magic after that.
He was there for basically the entire movie. He wasn't "immediately killed off." But it doesn't matter because you're just posting bait.
They could've fixed this though by sheev commanding luke to kill him again, and luke doesn't do it because it's a reverse psychology trick and nothing bad happens if you kill sheev.
She is so beautiful. Seeing her get molested by a giant slug does something weird to my brain, but it's good.
That's funny because it's my favorite Star Wars movie.
is only known for their design/aura, and immediately killed off
He was there for basically the entire movie. He wasn't "immediately killed off." But it doesn't matter because you're just posting bait.
Willrow Hood wasnt in ROTJ what the fuck are you guys talking about
You couldn't have posted this in one of the five other soi wars threads?
Every storyline set up in Empire is almost completely abandoned or has no real consequence in Jedi
are you me
Honestly I think the movie works a lot better if you just cut han and leia standing in front of that door for the whole third act. They don't have anything to do and it just keeps cutting back to them in between the tense confrontation with vader and the emperor and the battle above endor. I don't even mind the ewok ground battle, but the movie pumps its breaks to have han and leia shooting at things off screen while trying to hotwire the door.
Rewatched the entire trilogy last week and I was surprised how bad ROTJ in comparison to Star Wars and Empire.
the plan to rescue Han is convoluted and makes no damn sense
Boba Fett is killed in the most unsatisfactory way
Han is pointless for most the film despite how hard the characters work to save him.
the second death star is such a lazy rehash even if the space battle is fucking amazing
Endor is poorly paced and takes up too much of the run time.
The ewoks may be cute but they really aren't compelling enough to believe they could defeat the Empire
Yoda and especially Ben are sort of shoehorned in just to reinforce that Vader is indeed Luke's dad rather than to give any sort of last words of wisdom.
Vader is way less threatening in this film than empire or star wars. He's this pathetic lap dog for the empire when he and Tarkin seemed to have mutual respect despite Vader working under him
Endor is a rather visually monotonous environment and doesn't lend itself as well to the scifi setting as Tatoonie, Hoth, or cloud city.
Yub Nub is a gay ass song
Now to be fair just about everything revolving around Luke redeeming Vader is fucking peak star wars. Those scenes alone are what elevate Return despite all of its numerous problems.
A better script wrote itself but it didn't happen. Rebels should've lost endor with the main characters captured, fleet has to retreat, the scene just sticks to the throne room and luke is tempted to join vader and sheev on the condition they spare his friends and he has real power in the empire to make reforms and choose the lesser of two evils over a useless death, solving the dark side motive problem. Luke still bucks them, and sheev damages the death star when he dies and his power is released. The damaged death star then tries to use its beam on the retreating fleet, which causes catastrophic collapse.
That's funny because it's my favorite Star Wars movie. It feels like you're just pointing out a lot of things and saying it's bad. Vader is supposed to be less threatening in this movie because he's supposed to appear less confident because he's questioning things. It's not a mistake with the movie. You're just getting made about things for no reason. Your hatred of this movie also seems weirdly forced, because none of your excuses for hating it are convincing.
wrote itself
just anons retarded fanfiction
You seem like you'd also be mad that Vader and Palpatine are old guys and therefore less threatening. An idiot, basically.
samefag patting himself on the back and making shit up
your seethe is fucking delicious
both this movie and the prequels are guilty of massively changing the status quo offscreen. han solo went from a criminal with a heart of gold to a military commander in this movie
It feels like you're just pointing out a lot of things and saying it's bad.
Not that anon, but I also don't like subtractive criticism, because something could still be unimpressive after fixing all the flaws, or something can be well received despite having many flaws. What matters is does the movie contain content that is good and enough of it.
And the answer is...It has things that are ok but not as good as star wars or empire. And if you ask for an explanation, it seems hard to say why without gain just subtractively naming the flaws. It's not about what's wrong with the movie, it's about what is isn't, which we can't talk about because there were many hypothetical ways to make ROTJ a great movie.
wrong again shitzo
It's the same movie except it begs less questions and doesn't force you to use bad editing. My fan fiction for ROTJ would probably keep 2% of what's in the movie.
now all the Star Wars movies are bad
Sequelfags are such sore losers.
yeah that's another retarded thing about this movie. everyone's a fucking general for some reason.
Not originally. He was only added in 1997 for the Special Edition, which IMHO was a huge mistake because it undercuts the tension in TESB. It's hard to feel like Han is ever in any real danger when the "big bad" is a goofy space slug who lets Han walk on his tail.
luke finds his sibling (no. it was not supposed be Leia all along) they train for the epic finale whihc happens to be a big battle on Coruscant and the Skywalker kids confronting their psychotic father. Vader is incapacitated and redeemed. The Emperor gets killed by one or both of Skywalker kids. Luke skull fucks Leia in front of Han's frozen body to assert his dominance as the alpha male of the Star Wars franchise. A carbonite tear streaks down Hans face and thus ends the Star Wars saga. Fuck you George.
Han becoming a general in carbon sleep makes no sense but why does jabba hate him so much? He just owed him money, probably like a lot of people. So why does he become a trophy you can't buy back at any price?
1. Never said I hated it, I said it was worse than Star Wars and Empire. Which it is.
2. I get Vader is supposed to be questioning himself but he doesn't need to be treated like a lap dog by the Emperor nor does he need to act like a fucking pussy around the Emperor.
3. You only addressed one of my points and disregarded everything else. Why? Is it because that was what you percieved as my weakest argument?
4. You really think that my issue is that they're old guys and not threatening? I never insinuated that the Emperor was weak. Where did yoi get this idea?
You seem to have a weird problem making drastic insinuationg about people based on your own preconceived notions about the film.
But he's pointing out things that made it better than the other two movies - such as Vader's growing confusion and weakness - to say that it's bad because he's stupid. I actually know what is wrong with Return of the Jedi - more accurately, why it failed to impress people - and that is that it is more emotional than the other two, and the brilliance of what is taking place emotionally is not perceivable to most audiences. This is why people think that Return of the Jedi is the worst of the original trilogy and Revenge of the Sith is the best of the prequels. Because Revenge of the Sith is a very stupid movie from an emotional standpoint but has like five lightsaber fights. It's no mystery.
poorly compares two movies
Grow up
2. I get Vader is supposed to be questioning himself but he doesn't need to be treated like a lap dog by the Emperor nor does he need to act like a fucking pussy around the Emperor.
wasn't he doing the "my master" on one knee shit in ESB though?
First movie is pulpier
I don't have to address every single think you said and I'm not going to. I addressed the Vader thing just so that I would have addressed something but I guess that that was a mistake because now you think it's the only thing you got wrong. And I never said you had a problem with them being old, I was making fun of you.
Who the fuck would see a list of fucking idiotic ideas and graciously address every single one of them? Fuck you for thinking you're idiot ideas are that important.
I dunno anon what fucking idiot can't defend basic fucking criticisms?
I already summarized why you don't like it here. What specifically do you want me to answer?
for
He always thinks kids are gonna like his retarded Jar Jar or Jedi Rocks antics
And they do. Children don’t question this shit and think about how corny it is or whatever. They watch it, laugh and move on. It’s only old manchildren that have an issue with those things.
Still the best space battle in all of Star Wars.
The inferior cinematography and somewhat hacky writing. It's still better than the prequels though.
Everything outside of Luke/Vader/Sheev is kinda StinkE.
It's written almost like they wanted Luke to replace Vader but never fully scrapped it, so they still have him be sympathetic towards Sheev
You don't know what you're talking about. The Phantom Menace was my favorite movie when I was five IN SPITE of Jar Jar. The rest of the movie made up for it for me, but Jar Jar was a huge disappointment for me. I remember the months leading up to when the movie came out thinking that Jar Jar would be a villain and I was disappointed when I realized that he was not only good but an idiot, but the rest of the movie sufficed. You're just guessing about what kids like. Not one of my friends liked Jar Jar when we were kids. Quit acting like you have the final say on anything when you're always just guessing.
I think kids would notice the tonal whiplash of jedi rocks. It goes from upbeat music to a slave girl being fed alive to a giant monster. I'm glad I didn't see the special edition as a kid. I didn't like jar jar but he wasn't offensive.
Victory Celebration>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yub Nub
Hey anon how does Luke's convuluted plan make the movie better?
it's more action packed!
Yeah and the entire time I'm asking why Luke and his friends are all retards and it's taking me out of the awesome set piece.
How does reusing the death star not come off as lazy?
muh space battle
You can still have an awesome space battle without a death star.
Go ahead and use vague defenses to act like I'm wrong but you come off as retarded imbecile incapable of forming basic counterpoints.
It goes from upbeat music to a slave girl being fed alive to a giant monster.
Like always, you're taking something that was intended, misinterpreting it, and saying it's bad. The point of that scene was that something like a girl getting executed is a normal everyday occurrence. It's supposed to be surrounded by nonchalance and indifference, but like always, that goes over your head and you see it as some kind of continuity error. Sadly, I guess there's no solution. I can't teach you to perceive nuance with a post. But that is why this is the most hated film of the original trilogy. Subtle, nuanced little details just confuse and anger audiences.
These are weak as fuck. Why would they not build another death star? As for your previous point, I guess nothing technically had to happen. I don't know, what you're doing right now could be done to any movie but, for reasons I've already explained, you've chosen this movie. You see, even you don't know why you hate this movie so much. But I know why you hate it.
Why would they not build another death star?
Why not build a Starkiller base?
all the worst star wars fans are han solo cultists and they hate this one because he’s barely in it
It's Star Wars, not the daydream of a six year old on meth.
I love the movie, when it came out in theaters, it was the greatest thing I've ever seen. I was 8. The Tie Interceptors kicked ass.
Return is a fucking mediocre movie. What is it with people always defending these movies as if they were being paid to do so?
Another thing, the plan to save Han is something that was teased and alluded to throughout the entire trilogy, and this is the big payoff. It's the conclusion to Han and Jabba's story. If you didn't want it included, you may as well argue that Han shouldn't have been in the trilogy at all because he was "distracting" or something stupid like that.
I guess it should have had fifteen lightsaber fights, then maybe you'd like it. Thankfully they didn't scale back the emotional nuance of the film to please idiots like you. They would have done that today.
It's supposed to be surrounded by nonchalance and indifference. Subtle, nuanced little details just confuse and anger audiences.
*close up down the aliens singing throat*
It's part of their identity. They can't criticize it, because that would mean that they criticize a part of themself. Happens a lot with rabid fanboys and manchildren in general.
Ok you're one of those
I'm actually not a huge Star Wars fan, I just like the six movies. You're acting like having answers to your problems means I'm freaking out or getting emotional. "A rational person who just let me be a dumbass without bringing it to my attention."
These are weak as fuck. Why would they not build another death star?
The problem is they could build another death star by ROTJ and it undermines the achievement of the first movie and ROTJ, let me explain.
They can build a bigger death star in just a few years. Destroying the first one wasn't a decisive victory at all and wasn't a major setback for the empire. Nor was destroying the 2nd one, because they could just build a 3rd deathstar.
Oh don't worry, I'm by no means a genius. You're just dumb.
Episode 3 is more spectacular and does a better job showing the scale of an interstellar war.
Rogue one has the better action and structure, plus it has great balance on the fights taking place in orbit, air and ground.
Answers to which problems? What are you hallucinating here?
RotS space battle and Rogue One are also really great
reused death star
lazy
lorelets
Pay attention to Tarkin's speech about the Death Star in EPIV
Then pay attention to Palpatine's speech in EPVI
It makes perfect sense he'd build another one.
And you're right, it's merely a setback because the Rebel Alliance doesn't understand the war that is being fought.
The Empire itself a means to an end.
Yoda, Anakin, and Palpatine all understand this. Luke only understands in the throne room.
That's when you were supposed to wake the fuck up but apparently the literal "wake the fuck up" moment did nothing for you.
Wow. Thanks for all this lore. It's still lazy.
Genuine question: What is it about Star Wars threads always making these movies seem deeper and more nuanced than they actually are? There are character moments, sure, but for the most part it's just dumb spectacle to cover up the fact that George is not a good writer/director. Is it shitposting or autism?
Stop asking these questions. None of your points are valid otherwise we would need to appreciate a lot of shitty movies.
Nigger are you fucking dense? The problem isn't that it's included it's that it's fucking retarded. Lando is already in Jabba's fucking palace why not have him unfreeze Han? Why bother offering the droids as a gift ans get them trapped and in need of rescue? Why send Leia dressed as a bointy hunter and get Chewie trapped and in need of rescue? Why go into the palace unarmed? Pretty fucking lucky R2 was on the sail barge and not sent to work somewhere else. Jesus fucking christ anon think for more than 12 seconds about the plot of this fucking movie.
it's not a flaw, because... it just isn't OKAY!!?! I understand it though
Very convincing counter argument to his point.
I can accept why you see that as a flaw, but there's at least some effort to make it feel as real and as organic as possible, with an entire movie having gone by without a death star, and that the next time you see one, it's half-completed. It gives the feeling that the destruction of the first death star really hurt the empire, so it doesn't take away from the victory of destroying the first one. It was never indicated that the empire had been destroyed in a New Hope. It's one of those things you just have to go with to. How bad it is all comes down to how believably it's portrayed. It's certainly not enough to make it the worst of the trilogy.
I never said it wasn't a flaw, dumbass. I said it's forgivable because of the realism with which it's portrayed.
The Empire itself a means to an end
No you dumb fucker it is the end for Palpatine. It was his life goal and all he ever fucking wanted and he's protecting it from the rebel alliance. How fucking dumb are you?
Here's the deleted post, don't know why he deleted it
I can accept why you see that as a flaw, but there's at least some effort to make it feel as real and as organic as possible, with an entire movie having gone by without a death star, and that the next time you see one, it's half-completed. It's one of those things you just have to go with. How bad it is all comes down to how believably it's portrayed. It's certainly not enough to make it the worst of the trilogy.
It gives the feeling that the destruction of the first death star really hurt the empire
No it doesn't it makes it look like Death Stars are really fucking easy to build. It completely undermines it as a fucking narrative device. It's literally just as bad as when TFA made the First Order build Starkiller base.
It's extremely unrealistic in-universe, you're very fuckin stupid.
It was never indicated that the empire had been destroyed in a New Hope
He never said or implied any of that, how fucking retarded are you, what?
You're a mean poopyhead, movie good, you're bad. I'm right, you're wrong.
just gotta say that the retcon of the guy with a (fantastic) white beard was ACKTCHUALLY Rex, a Clone Trooper from the Clone Wars who'd easily be able to say "yeah jedi were a thing and so was the force, this was only 20 years ago". such a contrivance.
I kind of agree, I think most people accepted it and people care more about story beats or aesthetic than logic and plot holes. But at the same time when Gary Kurtz is like "what the fuck george, another death star", he's right. The other issue is repetition and lack of imagination. It compounds with tatooine being used again and endor being a californian forest. This contrasts with ESB where it basically expanded the star wars concept and aesthetic for every set piece. Ice world, walking armor vehicles, asteroid field, asteroid worm, magic swamp, and city in the clouds. I would've liked to have seen the imperial capitol city or something. This also made a problem for the prequels and sequels because star wars was crystalized in the original trilogy, so if it's not the original trilogy, it doesn't feel "star warsy" to people. But everything is mostly condensed to the first two movies except a slug crime lord, the rancor, speeder bikes, and teddy bears.
Execution doesn't matter. It was alluded to in the older movies therefore it's grandios that they didn't forgot a plot point from an earlier movie. They showed us that they dont have dementia. That's commendable.
I don't get what Luke's plan was here. Was he really just waiting to die when the Death Star 2 blew up? That doesn't seem very Luke-like
It completely undermines it as a fucking narrative device
You know if sauron made another ring people would defend it
He made multiple rings. Try watching lotr or read the books at least once.
Execution doesn't matter
Unironically kill youself.
There's only one "one ring", follow your own advice
i'll give it a try
the original trilogy did have some depth to them through dialogue about philosophies around the force and the background politics of the galaxy. initially, these movies took place after a lot had happened with no expectation to observe what characters were talking about, like tarkin saying the senate was dissolved. same movie, a new hope, introduced the mystical force in the heretofore gritty, used-future tech sci fi movie.
you mean it controls your actions?
act on instinct
as the trilogy goes on of course we get a bit more depth around talking about the force with yoda and such. though to answer your question, there is more depth than just action lightsabers pew pew going on but not much.
never forget: george went with a droid army to sell toys, then went with a clone army to sell more toys.
Why didn't they just sell the falcon to buy han solo back? Then the movie could be about rescuing the falcon, han solo would be pissed, and I would give a shit
If they had included the death star in Empire then that would have been more of a problem but waiting until the third movie to show another one and only showing it half completed shows that it really hurt the empire.
You said that it detracted from the victory of destroying the first one and I said that it didn't for reasons I've explained.
Anon how does showing a fully armed and operational death star that is twice the size of the original death star and was constructed in a 3rd of the time as the original at all imply the empire was hurt? The last fucking thing a hurt empire would have is another moon sized space station.
that is absolutely pathetic that you think that's good enough, its not even cope, it's just grasping at straws. If the original movies kept going with the same time separation there would be death star in the 5th movie and the 7th movie and this would be fine.
I'm always really conflicted regarding ROTJ. I agree with pretty much every criticism which is usually levied against it. Yet, whenever I sit down to rewatch it, I really enjoy it (even more so than a New Hope) and think the flaws aren't that bad. Then, sometime later when it's not fresh in my mind, I go back to thinking it's easily the worst. And so the cycle continues.
The way it was depicted in the trilogy is why I accept it. It didn't just pop back up like it was nothing. On a deeper, psychological level, the presence of a second death star adds another demoralizing element to the film. While you see it as nothing but a continuity error, I see it as something that adds to the psychological stress that the rebellion were under.
While you see it as nothing but a continuity error, I see it as something that adds to the psychological stress that the rebellion were under.
And they are still under it after ROTJ so why are they celebrating? Whats left of the empire can just build another death star
i think you're discovering individualism
Well they didn't keep going, and based on the trilogy alone, it's depicted in a way that doesn't make it look ridiculous. It also shows how much of a threat the empire still was and how organized they were.
It's pretty heavily indicated that the empire had be defeated. The emperor is dead and what's left of the empire after that is just scraps. The sequels could have built on that, but this is about Return of the Jedi.
Episode V is literally the only good Star Wars movie and I mean this unironically
This made gen Xers shit their pants with rage in 2004
I had the opposite where I was skeptic of the growing rejection of it, and having watched it again with adult scrutiny, yeah there's a significant quality drop from ESB and criticism of it is just generally correct. Rewatching the whole movie for vader's redemption scene isn't really worth it. But it makes you appreciate how classy and well made ESB is.
Christensen will always be Anakin/Vader, cope.
How can anyone not watch Star Wars 1977 and not see it as the perfect movie?
It's pretty heavily indicated that the empire had be defeated
I could say it was heavily indicated they wouldn't have to worry about a death star at the end of the first movie. Not true. Also the high table of the empire died on the first death star as well, and it wasn't "scraps" left. I guess everybody in the empire might give up being powerful because some old guy in a robe isn't around anymore even though they still have all those star destroyers to enforce their will with.
Special edition of ESB replaced Clive Revel with Ian McDiarmid to improve continuity
...
>Special edition of ROTJ replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen to improve continuity
NOOOOOO GEORGE YOU'VE RUINED THE ENDING OF STAR WARS HOW COULD YOU
Boba Fett's death still makes me mad.
All the movies directed by Richard Marquand
A movie series doesn't just accumulate like a thousand different spinoffs in various mediums without the fanbase being really autistic.
Boba Fett
Never understood people's fixation with this dude. Does he even get named in episode 5? It's been a while since I watched it but does he do anything on camera besides tracking han and leia to the cloud city?
Not that anon, but while still a good movie it's easy to see the hammyness of it when you take the rose glasses off. It's only a few scenes that needed to be reshot though, especially emotional ones. Also they had to do that hackjob that cut biggs out and luke joining the rebel attack fleet is poorly constructed.
It sounds like you think the trilogy should have ended with a New Hope. If it was going to continue, I see no real issue with how it unfolded overall. Imagine the psychological horror of seeing the thing that you fought so hard to destroy reemerge, albeit half-completed, like a ghost, mocking you from space. It gives a demoralizing element of horror to the film that I enjoy a lot.
No you dumb fucker it is the end for Palpatine
angry lorelet
What makes you think a Sith lord has any interest governing mundane faggots.
The Death Star isn't an instrument of governance. It's not even a competent instrument of war, as the rebel alliance demonstrated twice.
Palpatine wants to become a God of the Dark Side, and he is seeding the entire galaxy with fear via spooky symbols like the death star and exploiting Anakin to supercharge his powers and accelerate his research.
They could blow up 10 Death Stars, it literally doesn't fucking matter.
I don't know how you miss that.
Almost as scary as when palpatine somehow returned
Does he even get named in episode 5?
Try not being a pleb about that
en.wikipedia.org
but does he do anything on camera besides tracking han and leia to the cloud city?
He's the only villain that's as street smart as han solo, and the only character to get in vader's face in a movie where vader death chokes everyone. He dies by being bumped with a stick because it's like george didn't even watch empire.
No, Palpatine was explicitly shown to have died. A better comparison would be if Maul had come back with mechanical legs in Episode III and Obi Wan had to fight him again. A character who is explicitly shown to have died being written back into a series is not comparable. What's important is what it does to the overall tone of the film. If they are presented in a way that seems somewhat believable and doesn't break the aura of the film but enhances it, there are some things that you can just go with.
I don't get why George didn't just direct the damn movies himself.
It's amusing how shit it looks.
en.wikipedia.org
Ironic because all his fans appear to be obsessed with learning every little detail about this fag's existence
He dies by being bumped with a stick because it's like george didn't even watch empire
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would develop an autistic obsession for a background character who's only purpose in the story was leading vader to luke's friends, before throwing him to the sarlacc pit
Imagine the psychological horror of seeing the villain die with your own eyes only to return because he's unstoppable magic. It's lovecraftian, lynchian even.
According to Anon Babble oldfags some people gave poor reviews when it released. If that's true I can see why after watching it.
the plan rescue han is convoluted and could've easily failed at multiple points if not for plot contrivances
Lando is redundant. Apparently he was written into the script if Ford decided not to come back. But Ford did come back and Lucas wasn't able to do the necessary with Lando's character arc.
Leia is Luke's sister all of the sudden
luke refuses to kill the emperor out of for some stupid reason
lots of dumb shit that makes me see why people say Star War got bad before the prequels.
Why do prequelfags get so mad about Star Wars and always start calling everyone making fun of them samefags?
being this autistic
yeah. exactly. Luke is supposed to
return the fire of Jedi protection to the galaxy
according to the promotional material but he refuses to protect the galaxy by killing the most evil being in it and was happily about to get force ghosted by his friends. Just more proof that Lucas is a hack who got lucky with ANH and ESB.
He's set up as a foil for han solo
Instead han solo fights storm troopers who say "freeze!" when they put a gun to his back
You're tone deaf if you think that's an accurate comparison. Rebuilding a space station and writing a dead character back into a film are totally different. One has a subtle level of horror, the other has no subtlety and ruins the tone. I've explained all of this so thoroughly and at this point you just don't want to hear it.
You're tone deaf
One has a subtle level of horror
you just don't want to hear it.
Least tone deaf thing you've said
He's set up as a foil for han solo
He's introduced in a linup of funny looking bounty hunters, his entire story function is to get han and leia caught.
I would bet money that he got selected at random to be the one to find them and that's all the thought that went to him in episode 5.
Doesn't matter. If you killed IG-88 or lizard guy like boba fett it would still be shitty writing
shut up everyone and post more sexy leia
Weird criticism given that my argument is that breaking the rules of what would be believable in real life is acceptable if it's done in a way that is tonally appropriate. Even if it is true, it seems like that insult would work more against the aggressively type-A people I've been fighting.
it would still be shitty writing
This is the han rescue act we're talking about. The writing has much more serious issues than the unceremonious killing of a random tertiary character some nerds in the 80s got a weird crush on.
Luke's arc and every scene hes in is perfect. only jaded incels hate on ewoks
If you're worried about what we're talking about, why go to whataboutism and then pretend it's strange to care about boba fett when he's the 2nd or 3rd most popular star wars villain, and the complaint im levying is on the ROTJ short list and has been going on way before you were born. Ok, you don't care about boba fett. You are special, that should be enough.
ghost obi wan and luke sit on a log and talk about lying and points of view
yoda we must complete my training. Do you know how expensive 35mm film is you little shit? *dies*
luke talks to "sister" leia about how they love each other in a non incest way now
I like a woman you can grab onto something
So much seethe for these movies huh? Stay cucked Anon Babblenigs.
Faggot
George had full creative control
It's the best Star Wars
Introduced The Emperor. Great final duel and ending.
Also Jabbas the best character. The palace is fucking kino:
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introduced the Emperor
whose this guy in ESB then?
decides not to kill Palpatine
Jedis in these movies use lightsabers as a form of defense. In Luke's mind, Palpatine poses no immediate threat from what he can perceive (gotta remember Luke is quite a scrub relatively speaking), he probably wasn't expected to get electrocuted to death. Obi-Wan used his lightsaber to cut off the thugs arm in the cantina only after they drew a weapon. Anakin decapitating Dooku after already disarming him is an evil action which starts his path down the dark side
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there are countless scenes in attack of the clones proving that jedis DO NOT in fact use their sabers as a form of offense; they blatantly use them to attack.
Nobody cares about droid or bug shits, they aren't human
Jango Fett is human and Maced Windex immediately puts a blade on him
That's why there's a shot afterwards where he's visibly feeling deep regret. He was so caught up in the moment that he beheaded him without thinking about it.
If I was a Ewok I would give her a flower then help braid her hair
Jango literally shot at him first.
I hate Filoni so much it's unreal.
The plan to rescue Han from jabba was perfect and very well written if you actually think about it
RotJ was Lucas going all-in on being a toy salesman, which was just like how he made the PT.
Agreed
You are attacking the person and not their points. That is a sign you have jo actual argument. Your entire post is all conjecture and guess work about the kind of person who wrote it. That's sad.
Because you were a retarded and/or autistic child, literally no one else thought Jar Jar was gonna be a villain.
I don't think that you really think that, because I reread that post and can't find any personal attacks. That's not to say that I don't attack people on a personal level - I'm verry happy to do that when I want to - I just think you're a seething little shit and accusing me of "being mean" is all you can do right now because you can't think of anything better. Simply looking at what I said would dispel your narrative but your tiny little brain doesn't think of that. And yes, I am insulting you.
I was four. Jar Jar scared me, so therefore I thought that he was going to be a villain, and I was sad when I realized that he wasn't. Because you're going to act like what I'm saying is indicative of how I feel now, I'll reiterate that this is what I thought when I was four. So big round of applause, you're so much smarter than a four year old.
See, I had a reason to think he might be a villain because I was a small child and the target audience of that film. You were just some weirdo pedophile who went to see it and got mad and then probably fucking raped some kids in the bathroom.
No, Palpatine was explicitly shown to have died. A better comparison would be if Maul had come back with mechanical legs in Episode III and Obi Wan had to fight him again. A character who is explicitly shown to have died being written back into a series is not comparable.
And Maul was explicitly shown to have died in Episode I. So i dont see why would it be different compared to Palpatine returning
And you were a weird-ass thirty year old watching a kids movie and getting mad at kids for being kids and not some weird ass gen X pedophile like you.
There was always a question of whether or not Maul lived and would return. It was highly speculated leading up to Revenge. Everyone knew that Palpatine was dead. There was no reason his death would have been portrayed as it was unless he was supposed to be dead.
From what I read the reason why this movie is similar to New Hope is because it was originally in Lucas first Draft for New Hope which was 250–300 pages long. Lucas decided it was too long for one movie and broke it up. Problem was he couldn’t end New Hope without the Death Star blowing up because it would be anticlimactic and he had no idea at the time his movie would be successful enough to make it to part 3. Why there are two Death Stars because originally entire story going to end when the first one blew up
I conceded that your weird ass thirty year old self didn't think he was a villain. Big round of applause, you fucking freak. You're so smart for not having been four years old. You're so much smarter than a four year old. "I can't argue with what you're saying so I'll just argue with what you thought in the past when you were barely sentient." Fuck you. And my entire point was that kids hated Jar Jar and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about saying we liked him. You are so fucking desperate to argue with me on anything even if it's something I thought when I was four fucking years old. You're pathetic as shit, bro.
You must have been so dumb at the age of four that everybody thought you were just an overgrown one year old.
I was at least able to theorize about characters and what not but you were probably still being spoon-fed applesauce. But now you're so much smarter than those ingenious four year olds who were able to hold spoons, huh?
It was when Lucas' fascination with midgets really got overwhelming.
You love trannies. Got it. Don't even bother responding you're outted as a nigger tranny lover. Just don't. I pwned you already, got it newfag? I'm the king here I pwn all the newfags don't take it personally you'll fit in one day but right now? Heh... you're pwned. Nigger.
FUNNY CAUSE NO ONE ASKED YOU CUNT GET THE FUCK OUT ARRRGGGHHH *SMASHES KEYBOARD* YOU HAPPY FUCKER?! ARE YOU?! *BEATS MY MOM FOR MORE KEYBOARD MONEY* TAKE THAT BITCH I WILL FUCKING IMPREGNATE YOU AND REPLACE MY ABUSIVE CUNT DAD OH YOU'RE CRYING BLAME IT ON THE FAGGOT ON THIS BOARD ARRRGGGGGHHHHH *hulks out*
"If I say that women are men then I'll feel less guilty about being attracted to men, because then everybody else is as bad as I am, because I'm a Nazi and have to hate gay people, of which I am one."
I don't know what this is supposed to signify but I definitely hit the nail on the head with my analysis.
I am happy. And your mom probably deserved it for spawning you.
Probbaly because you are retarded? It's a good movie and an amazing end to the story. It starts strong with Jabba's Palace picking things up from ESB, and the final confrontation is pure kino that you never get from these mainstream movies any more. The criticism of the final battle is flawed, you need something grand with mulitple threads that get tied up to finish an epic trilogy like this. A modern, jaded adhd generation won't understand this though.
Is there any particular reason you're responding to me?