In the end which Clone Wars show curbstomps the other, 2003 or 2008?
In the end which Clone Wars show curbstomps the other, 2003 or 2008?
2003 is easily better for the first episode alone.
30 second of the 2003 one has more and better action that an entire season of 2008.
Windu fighting that stomping machine in the desert alone curbstomps all of 2008
Star wars is for children. Grow up.
2003 purely because it perfectly lines up with the rots opening
idgaf about the 'siege of mandalore' which was never mentioned in the films nor do i care about the alpha knockoff and orange buttcheeks outside of porn
low test: The Clone Wars
high test: Clone Wars
I still have a Durge action figure somewhere
low test: Anything Star Wars
high test: Just about anything else
2008 by a mile.
There's more sense of cinematic gravitas in one-5 minute micro episode of the 2003 CW series than there is in a whole season of TCW.
It's a Star Wars masterpiece and arguably Genndy's best work.
If you don't believe me, watch the entire build up and reveal of General Grievous in Chapter 20. It's genuinely one of the best villain introductions ever put to screen.
Why the fuck is 2003 almost forgotten while the CG one is worshipped by every normalfag and their mother?
Normalfags and zoomers.
Sha-Gi, no!
the series are only 5 years apart, why would zoomers know one and not the other?
Because they're fags who live with their moms.
CN never really reran the 2003 series much and a lot of zoomers would've been on the younger side during the time it aired initially, probably msotly tuned into shit like Nick Jr., too, so a lot of them probably missed out. When the 2008 series came out they were the new demographic to appeal to, and CN was in a recession of shitty shows with TCW being one of the only "good" things to watch and they latched onto it, not really knowing any better, just something to watch.
filoni seethes eternally about cwmmp and went out of his way to try and destroy it with tcw
old zoomers know that tcw was originally supposed to be a quasi sequel to the original but was changed for the above reason
2008 Clone Wars is better because it doesn't end in 5 minutes.
I’m 22 and was obsessed with 2003 Grievous. I constantly watched AMVs of him, in fact my favorite was one with Outta Control by Hoobastank in the background
Like, zoin-
anakin vs ventress remainsthe best animated lightsaber duel of all time
soneone post some webms, such great characters duking it out althought TCW ventress is better than her 03 counterpart, not including the full CWMMP
2003 is amazing and I say that as someone that hates Star Wars.
The micro-series is just style over substance, but what's even more baffling is that the style is not even good. There is no weight to anything: Genndy's characters are completely still and motionless with only their hands moving in straight lines. There is no impulse and inertia. There is no feel of impact. Westerners just can't into good 2D animation. It was seen especially clearly in the ARC troopers segments, when they are giving hand signals. Speaking of which: that is the one segment that shows just how little sense the whole thing makes. Genndy doesn't seem to know when the hand signals are used: when there is a danger of being exposed by the enemy, or communicating verbally is technically not possible. Which was not the case in those segments. Imagine wasting your precious time when you are pinned under fire in order to do hand gestures. What a stupid nonsense. But that's Genndy's basic understanding of military and combat situations: he saw somewhere that they do hand gestures, and it's "cool." Combat is repetitive, with no real thought out choreography. It's mostly the characters doing the same weightless three strikes again and again and again, lightsaber duels are just aimless baseball bat bashing. The entire show is simply ugly and low-effort, Flash cartoon tier. It's ok for a short toy ad, which it essentially was, but not for "le god tier animation teh best stah wahz evar", as some spergs claim it to be. That's without going into how it almost completely lacks any cinematic sensibility, having incredibly primitive camera work, flat lighting, bad voice acting and amateur sound design that lacks any punch and sounds weak and not juicy enough for a Star Wars production, production that gave us THX and Skywalker sound. On a subjective note, Genndy's style is really fucking ugly, and his gimmick of every character being a motionless, stoic badass with no personality is getting tiresome after the first 10 minutes.
Gee, probably because the CG one is an actual long-running TV-series with plot, characters, relationships, and the 2003 one is a soulless, disjointed toy ad for manchildren, who obsess with power levels?
"style over substance" buzzphrase
seething textwall nobody's gonna read
Filonijew detected.
Because the episodes are short and the series as a whole was supplemented by the rest of the multimedia project. Normalfags can’t wrap their heads around the idea of looking at a variety of sources and avenues. The nerds and kids of the era had no problem with it. But despite all the high school and college essays where they needed 8 different sources per paper, the normalfags can’t understand that not everything has to be in one place.
It’s especially ironic because the same people dickriding modern Clone Wars for consolidating everything into one series will defend potholes like the many in episode IX by telling you to go read the novelization or watch a streaming-exclusive show made 3 years after the fact.
For me the best example is the last minute or so of chapter 1. Everything about it just works, and all with barely any dialogue.
Such a great scene.
2003 had the best bit foreshadowing Anakin's fall with the legend of the antelope people.
2008 had much much greater scope.
2003 is so much better
much much greater scope.
Only by amount of seasons.
2003 clears easily no contest
They both sucked.
2008 is Bloat City
People use watching guides for one but not the other, 'nuff said.
2003 is all filler, while 2008 has the occasional worthwhile episode
2003 is all filler
Hardly. It covers every necessary beat between episodes 2 and 3.
Speaking as an absolute genndy knobslobberer since Dexter first aired
08 is still better.
Filoni’s a fucking retard and ironically needs a “handler” infinitely more than George ever did though.
2003 is Dragon Ball Z bullshit, though it's still the best portrayal of Grievous as an actual threat. I hate how Lucas turned him into a sniveling Saturday morning cartoon villain.
turned him into
He was always meant to be.
Watch the behind the scenes. Grievous was always intended to be that way.
Also rewatch volume 2. Dooku spells it all out during the training session.
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There is more merit to this 30 seconds than in anything that came from that 2008 show and everything spun out of it.
referring to the mortis arc as a "what if collection of the future paths Anakin, Ahsoka and Obi-wan might follow"
TCWfags don't even watch their own show. There's no way someone watched those episodes and THAT was their takeaway of what went on. That isn't even close to what that arc was.
TCWfags don't even watch their own show.
I am going to disagree because the whole "watch order list" is basically mental gymnastics AFTER watching TCW like
guys there is actual deep glup shito subtext here and there
Based
It covers every necessary beat between episodes 2 and 3.
It absolutely does fucking not.
Yes, it does.
see the war on multiple fronts
anakin's skill made plain to see, his only problem being maturity
republic stretched thin in the outer rim
see anakin's promotion to knighthood and his subsequent victories, proving that he does in fact become the jedi obi-wan described in ANH
see general grievous lead a major offensive and give the republic a run for its money
shows and discusses palpatine's influence on the jedi order
see how palpatine got kidnapped, something ep3's opening crawl will establish
Seems pretty cut and dry to me. This all made sense to me when I was a kid and had no idea about all the extra EU material, so I'm not sure what you don't get.
It also explains how 3P0 got his gold plating.
You're right. Can't forget that, that's always a funny one.
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Lemme guess: you love anime where the main character is a little shy boy faggot like you, but he still has a 6000 year old goddess in the body of a 12 year old girl badly obsessed with him? Fuck off queer.
2003 is elite level stuff. Some of the best content outside of the OT. Up there with the best books, video games and comic books of the EU.
2008 is sloppy nonsense with one of the least appealing animation styles ever created.
2003 has the better quality to shit ratio while the 2008 has some real stand out episodes that you need to search for. I prefer 2008 overall but a lot of the lore additions are pretty retarded and reach fan fic tier
Then what happened? Did Tartakovsky just go rogue or something?
They're bullshitting, Tartakovsky himself said that Lucas described Grievous as a Jedi slayer that collected lightsabers as trophies. Genndy just did what Genndy does best and adapted him based off tgat, while George did what George does best and changed his fucking mind midway through.
Did Tartakovsky just go rogue or something?
Not really. Lucas wasn't highly invested in the ads Tartakovsky was making, so he didn't lay down a lot of guidelines.
lmao
dumbasses actually believe this shit, but then watch this retardation with a onions face unironically
If you don't like this you may just have an inside out penis and zero (0) testosterone.
That was so badass.
I hate the 3D animation of 2008 even if they do a decent job with the world building aspect
That's just flashy force fighting, anon. That said, I did half expect that little kid to offer Windu a Coke at the end.
This clip is so unique because you get to see a Jedi actually using the force in a practical combat application. Telekinesis is a powerful magic and someone finally uses it for more than knocking someone else off balance.
The entire format of CW03 is one big inconsistency. None of the events depicted could have happened as shown if we accept the premise—as many of its fans insist—that the series exists in the same continuity as the films.
While SW incorporates the Force, the universe remains grounded in its own established rules. The "wizardry" of the Force is subtle and philosophical, not a mindless spectacle of lifting thousands of rocks or obliterating entire armies. Yoda’s slow, strained effort to raise an X-Wing in ESB is portrayed as a monumental feat requiring intense focus. Whereas CW03 reduces the Force to a flashy, nonsensical power creep—abandoning the franchise’s internal logic altogether. The Force becomes a videogame projectile to dodge, entirely stripping it of its mystique.
Consider AotC: Yoda visibly struggles to hold a collapsing pillar, allowing Dooku to escape—a moment highlighting that Force abilities demand effort and concentration. Yet in CW03, Yoda casually hurls starships and decimates armies with ease. Watching the films and this series back-to-back is jarring. How could Yoda or Mace Windu—who single-handedly crushes droid armies with his bare hands in the show—fail to prevent Jedi deaths in the Geonosis arena? The answer is simple: they couldn’t. The two portrayals are irreconcilable; the series cannot function as a "bridge" to the films when their depictions of power are fundamentally opposed.
Then there’s Grievous, portrayed here as a vastly different character from his film version. Also, nothing in RotS suggested that the Coruscant ground battle happened as depicted in CW03.
CW03 simply can't exist in the same universe as the films. It disregards the mythological framework Lucas established, prioritizing mindless spectacle over cohesion. As Lucas said, Genndy’s experimental version does not follow the mythology and rules of the setting, he had no hand in making it, and therefore it cannot be considered a narrative part of SW.
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Genndy and Filoni are hacks but at least Genndy got out and didn't ruin the rest of Star Wars with his cartoon bullshit.
Illiterate detected. Explains quite a lot about the fans of the 2003 series—to no one's surprise.
Now retype all that in ebonics, Filonibot.
Why? Are you black? Another confirmation that 2003 fans are either blacks or mexicans. Correlation between this and DBZ-slop has been verified, yet again. Whites fundamentally cannot enjoy this slop.
Bad bot.
durr you can't just use the force to do things, that's silly!
Is this really the level Star Wars fans have sunk to?
keeps posting kino like it's supposed to be a problem
You know if Ahsoka did that shit like her little spaceship walk you'd be baseding your pastel gamer chair.
It is silly. Retarded even. Has no place in the actual setting as depicted in the films. Not even remotely. Narratively and thematically contradictory, on top of looking like an excerpt from a pajeet blockbuster.
But enough about Ahsoka.
Do all genndyfags argue like 6-year olds? I have yet to meet one that at least sounds like an adult.
Do all Filonifags get mad when they get outskilled and unchecked?
Methinks so.
Has no place in the actual setting as depicted in the films.
Explain your reasoning. Luke does a force boosted jump during his fight against Vader in Empire. Obi-wan and Qui-Gon use force speed horizontally in the phantom menace. Yoda in the prequels is just as capable of pinballing it around, and in the OT he's teaching Luke quite a bit of reflex shit. And on that note, if you're at all familiar with projectile speeds you'll find that deflecting blaster bolts with a lightsaber is no easy feat. A New Hope among many things established it takes some degree of reflex training and "sight beyond sight", so to speak. Based on these we can reasonably infer the force can be used to augment physical ability for a short amount of time. Why is it a bad thing when THE second-in-command of the Jedi Order uses the force to enhance his agility and physical strength? Is it really so incongruous with all of the other instances of similar application?
thematically contradictory
Explain further. I'm curious to know what theme of Star Wars you're trying to judge this against. Personally I think you're trying to make this seem worse than what it is.
This is what a Jedi should look like, probably because he is black they let him actually be a freakish unstoppable fighting god. Kenobi the TV show always pissed me off because Kenobi was so bad at fighting. I wanted to see him murder every last of these little bitch Sith who thinks they can persecute and torture Jedis around the galaxy, man Obi Wan should have crushed their hearts in their chest and fed them their own brains for all the evil things they did.
OK lol I'll stop sperging but you know I am right.
But this scene is much closer to generic and soulless TCW action sequences whenever protagonists.
KEK it's even worse than I thought.
Whites fundamentally cannot enjoy this slop.
Whites enjoy DBZ too, but I guess you're of the variety that's more into high-brow works like the works of Derek Dozer.