Is it out of line to claim that this series was always "woke" to some extent?
Is it out of line to claim that this series was always "woke" to some extent?
by woke you mean liberal? of course but who cares? Its timeless kino and comfy
It predates the concept of "woke", but in essence, yes. Gene Roddenberry was a retarded hippie that idolized and idealized communism, and thus projected the typical stoner peace and love nonsense onto an otherwise utterly authoritarian and evil form of government.
it was yes some of the themes were too on the nose like the dumb races with black and white skin
woke is what today's conservatives call today's progressives. star trek was always made by progressives with progressive values, those values were simply different 50 years ago (its the nature of liberal progress). so yes trek was always woke, its just that conservatives of the current year are the "wokes" of the past so they love old trek
A black woman kiss and white man maybe.
we come in peace, shoot to kill shoot to kill shoot to kill
we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men!
Always was.
Star Trek was always progressive but it had characters and themes that appealed to everyone. Therefore it wasn’t conventionally woke. Wokeness is exclusion disguised as inclusion. If Kirk was constantly being upstaged and scolded by women and minorities, then it would be woke.
It would have been retarded to have an alien on board and not have any black or asians
certain lifeforms simply don’t matter
Star Trek was always woke and hasn't changed at all
Star Trek was deeply racist and sexist and we have to do better
Which is it
Every fucking week I see some homo both try to claim Gene Roddenberry's legacy and to cancel him for being a weird pervert that made Uhura the phone operator
What was Sulu's job anyway
Uhura's job was embarrassing and patronizing but at least you could believe a ship needed her (Troi was worse lol) but what was Sulu even supposed to be there for
I think sulu was responsible for increasing and decreasing “warp speed” and maintaining “evasive maneuvers”
while the russian dude was responsible for launching probes and torpedoes
I think
it had some good stuff like a meritocracy and some jewish commie bullshit like supporting race mixing, it's woke but leftists eat each other so TOS and shatnaer have been deleted from continuity
It amuses me that you think that's dumb when at least it was an allegory and modern writers don't understand what an allegory is
So on Nutrek you get Stacey Abrams: President of Earth, Picard going back in time and beating up immigration officers before they can kidnap his new Mexican single mother buddy, and Pike solemnly showing footage of the January 6th riot to aliens 200 years in the future while stating "This was the moment humanity nearly ended, don't make the mistake we did" (GOD I wish I was joking about that last one it'd be so over the top and heavy handed as a shitpost but instead they actually filmed it and made it canon in Star Trek)
You also get Lorca namedropping Elon Musk as his personal hero and then that being used as foreshadowing that he was secretly from the Mirror Universe all along
Here's Patrick Stewart on why Star Trek had to change
I think what we’re trying to say is important. The world of ‘Next Generation’ doesn’t exist anymore. It’s different. Nothing is really safe. Nothing is really secure.
In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected. It was the Enterprise. It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun. In “Picard," the Federation — a union of planets bonded by shared democratic values — has taken an isolationist turn. The new show was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.
variety.com
Ha ha, yeah. Anyway, we'll be fine arresting judges and enforcing sentences without trials, don't worry about it.
arresting judges
What are you supposed to do with a judge when he literally hands his AR15 to a known felon and then takes pictures of him using it
you must love when unelected bureaucrats override the electorate, like how the DHS stops doing their jobs and lets millions of random illegals in whenever a democrat is president
Shut up baldy. TNG was garbage for stupid liberal. RDMOORE SUCKS!
What about [thing that is bad]?
Yeah, it's bad, but not quite as bad as sentences without trials.
What about [other thing that is bad]?
Yeah, it's also bad, but not quite as bad as sentences without trials.
I can't believe you've found a way to rationalize and defend sentences without trials. That's the end of rule of law, that's the end of liberty. This is everything we've always feared, and you're going to welcome the boot with a smile on your face.
How the fuck are we gonna have eleven million trials for people who aren't US citizens in the first place
India once deported twenty million people in one month and nobody pretends they aren't a democracy
all brown illegals deserve a second trial in the US, no this isn't just a scheme to block the deportation of those fine MS-13 democrat voters!
for people who aren't US citizens in the first place
Anon, if there's no trial then they don't have to prove someone isn't a citizen. If there's no trial then US citizens are also not protected from the government.
I know that it's hard to do things the hard way, but sometimes doing things the easy way has unintended consequences. Sentences without trials is the end of everything you know and love. You DO love liberty, don't you?
India once deported twenty million people in one month
That was literally the first thing they did after getting independence and they have a schizo thing now where half of them blame the British for it and the other half blame the British for suppressing it for so long
Glug glug glug me rikey MSM SLOPPA
who needs a trial, let's see that passport
It was "progressive." The other is a different animal altogether.
It's crazy how the most "patriotic" Americans always have the wildest anti-American takes.
Should America be a leader on the world stage for climate change? No, America should be a follower, we should follow China's lead and not reduce our emissions until they reduce theirs first!
Should America be a leader on the world stage for geopolitics? No, America should be a follower, we should follow Russia's lead and appease their need for lebensraum!
Should America be a leader on the world stage for rule of law? No, America should be a follower, we should follow India's lead because that's a nation we all respect and admire!
India #1, America #2.
we need to follow the law AFTER we let 8 million illegals in
if only americans had the legal rights an illegal has
PS they are not American also fuck china, russia, isreal and now india.
far left commie
identical to a nazi
many such cases. honestly its shocking they can't see it themselves.
there's nothing the jews love more than americans dying on the other side of the planet for another nation's borders
You have the same rights, citizens and noncitzens have the right to a trial.
It's the Constitution which guarantees that right. Should we throw out our Constitution because it's inconvenient for you?
US lead on world stage for peace
this view is fundamentally incompatible with America's long term goals, which, for all intents and purposes, can be simplified down to "suck off israel". As Israel is constantly grabbing land in wars from its neighbors, America is not capable of saying "actually, war is bad, and we need more peace, Russia, please, stop stealing land from others". On the bright side, this strategy does allow for more security for the Americans, as they are now ideologically and politically free to seize Canada, Greenland, ports, etc, and the eurocuckolds revealing themselves to be parasitic traitors ("What have you done for us TODAY?") will only hasten the inevitable creation of the American northern shipping corridor.
rule of law
unfortunately, dead and buried. The militant far left made their bed, now they have to lie in it. Maybe don't turn your DOJ and courts into a political superweapon if you're not sure where the cannon will be pointed in 6 months? Just a thought!
climate change
oy vey we need to give gorillions to the Green New Scam, please don't notice that it's the same CEOs who run the oil, gas, and plastic companies!
he already had a trial in El Salvador, he's their problem
Should America be a leader on the world stage for climate change? No, America should be a follower, we should follow China's lead and not reduce our emissions until they reduce theirs first!
In the last 20 years, the US has reduced its carbon emissions by 20% and China increased its carbon emissions by 172%
China surpassed the US in annual carbon emissions in 2007
China surpassed the US in total carbon emissions all the way back to the industrial revolution in 2018
And lastly, China is well on course to surpass the US in per capita carbon emissions by 2030, meaning they'll have to make something new up for their bullshit rhetoric to excuse building 200 coal plants a year
Everyone who dicksucks China as stewards of the environment has to be fed into a fucking wood chipper immediately, EVERY US administration has done more to combat carbon emissions than China, including the ones that piss and moan about it
I actually want to slice your fucking throat for proclaiming something so directly opposed to reality. Fuck you, you insincere fucking idiot. I don't want to hear the desperate fucking pseud spin you have after this, because I know you're not gonna acknowledge you're so godamn wrong. You're going to move the fucking goalposts because a smug piece of shit like you has a worldview where you're always right.
So that's a yes, we should throw out our Constitution because it's inconvenient for you.
It's jewish commie propaganda.
I refuse to use buzzwords but ST was always progressive yes. It just used to be well written and not completely grating
the bill of rights is for citizens not wetbacks
Star Trek is about an advanced multi species federation where everyone is equal teaching the less-enlightened folks in the galaxy about the power of love and friendship
The Constitution says that all persons, not just citizens, get due process. But I understand, that's not convenient for you, so you want the Constitution to go away.
Based
I love the Federation
I love the Star Fleet
Flawed premise if you thought I'm dicksucking China. China is shit. But some people believe that China will "defeat" America economically if America pivots or scales back too much, so America cannot act first, we can only act second. That makes America a nation of followers, not a nation of leaders.
he received justice in El Salvador, is the US just a shithole for criminals to escape to
Have you considered... trying to change the Constitution with a new amendment instead of violating the Constitution? I just really don't see the appeal of violating the Constitution like you do.
he wasn't deprived of due process, he had a trial in the sovereign nation of El Salvador and fled to avoid prison, making him a model democrat voter
The deportations are being justified under the same 1798 law that FDR used to inter the Japanese, the Alien Enemies Act
Which means both that
a function for mass detainment and deportation based on national origin was written by the same people who wrote the Constitution in the first place
or
the Constitution has been void since 1941 and Roosevelt is the most malignant fascist in history
I don't know why I'm talking to you because you're gonna copy/paste the same reply again, if you were ChatGPT you'd be more engaging
Um... are we at war?
you can suspend the Constitution sometimes, as a treat
Yes, because you don't understand the meaning of the word.
"Woke" was originally a term used by the black community to refer to socio-economic and ideological issues that they had awoken to, the most glaring one being how Democratic Party leaders just used them all as tokens to increase their vote, reach, and power, with nothing in return. Just like with Occupy Wall Street and Gamergate, this represent outstanding danger to the powers that be, and immediately infiltrate, usurped, and destroyed that movement, ruining the term by having people in social media (particularly tumblr and twitter) repurpose the word to signify liberalism and anti-conservatism specifically.
Nowadays "woke" refers to purposeful, disingenuous, virtue-signalling pandering that focus issues in narratives in something's writing to make a direct reference to a real-world modern and current issue at the time of the writing, with the purpose of brainwash and derail honest discussions of topics, more for minorities than for "whites" (despite "whites" thinking the opposite). It keeps minorities docile, and manipulated.
Star Trek then was not woke like Star Trek is now. So yes, that's out of line.
No. It was normal, and it was concerned about philosophy, not politics. Just becasue wokeshit coopted those argumens and made them political, doesn't mean you get to call those shows woke.
Woke is modern fad, and it faced universal rejection. Unlike those old non woke shows
conventionally woke
Doesn't exist.
The opposite of woke is normality
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