How come Japan is the only country that really makes entertainment for teenagers anymore? They've got shonen for young boys, shojo for young girls, seinen for adult men, and josei for adult women.
Meanwhile, the west makes shit for kids and shit for adults, but nothing for teenagers. That's why so many of them end up watching anime, because their own country has nothing for them. So for teens, it's either anime or nothing.
The MCU kinda fit that bill before it got queered up
it's worse than adults, the west only makes media for roasties, they are the primary audience for everything, males are a distant fifth concern at most
Superhero stuff has been aimed at adults for decades.
There's actually a basic asnswer and it's that the only industry force is income and money, so the product has to sell. That's it. There's no Blackrock safety net, little in the way of government funding (and if there is, it's for safe and conservative projects) and no cabal of elites jerking eachother off over their art - it has to be profitable.
There's a few cases where that's not entirely true, sometimes "established" creators get way more leeway then they deserve, and there's obviously a level of reverence to stuff like a studio Ghibli production, but there's no real sense that you can make trash and get away with it forever.
Traditional TV is also still somewhat thriving and so the concept of advertising and ratings still drives the mentality of media production, even down to time formats, pacing, etc.
The other reason is as you say, the x for y concept. Shonen isn't a genre, it's a demographic, but that's exactly the thinking that leads to a healthy media landscape. At a definition level, the primary consideration is the audience a piece of media is more for, not the nature of the media itself or what it contains. You make something for x audience first, and THEN you consider what will be in product based on what that audience likes.
A broad generalisation, and there are lots of exceptions, but you see that this mentality hasn't really stopped persisting for decades. It works for a domestic audience whilst also creating media that is still somehow accessible to international audiences - because boys/girls are the same everywhere, and it's what SELLS.
What exactly do you think is “for teenagers”?
China and South-Korea do so as well. They also still make plenty of entertainment for teenage girls here in the west. It's heaven if you're part of that demo, literally everything is aimed at you. It's just if you're a teenage boy or a young man there's no choice but to go East. That's why those countries are popping off in gaming especially recently.
To my surprise this is categorized as shonen. And I loved it.
How come Japan is the only country that really makes entertainment for teenagers anymore?
Wrong.
Japan in the only* (*not really the only one) country still making entertainment aimed at adults meanwhile the west only makes things aimed at eternal teenagers
One decade, because the teens grew up into manchildren.
The fact is people only stay teenagers for an insignificant amount of time, as Warner Bros. learned with the YA craze like Harry Potter, Twilight and Hunger Games. By the time you've made three movies, the teens will have already grown up. It's easier to get kids hooked on something than teenagers, it's easier to keep adults with childish tastes strung along, so the profit margins for teen content just doesn't compare and modern economic analytics just settled it: teens aren't profitable. The 80s and 90s are never coming back.
Almost nothing in the west is marketed at teens anymore.
Look at cartoons. Everything is either a kid's cartoon, or an "adult cartoon" like Family Guy. There's no real middle ground anymore.
Literally every franchise this board discusses is primarily for teenagers.
The west
This is such a weird thing to say.
True, because the west won't be around in 10 years
Japan is compromised bro, they won't be doing this for too long anymore. They're already starting to cater towards western audiences with the stuff they shit out and workplaces are slowly becoming more and more filled with foreigners instead of native Japanese people.
I love it when “baawwww everything sucks” crowd always outs themselves by making completely false statements like this.
Same shit happened with video games
They used to be "for children", but now the majority of people playing them are adults and that's who the industry caters to
Name them then
Most of the stuff I see discussed here is pretty clearly meant for adults
It seems like you’re fighting a non existent war with your “enemies in eurasia” and the front line is cartoons for some reason
Do you think Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel movies, etc. are aimed at mature adult viewers? LMAO
You should specify that it's teenage BOYS who largely get ignored by the entertainment media in the west, and that's because appealing to them has been a slur for decades and a sign of being "low-brow". So they get nothing and they just end up watching anime.
Teenage girls have tons of shit for them.
Adults, yes, whether they're "mature" or not is irrelevant.
Star Wars, Star Trek, and Marvel are very clearly aimed at adults, not kids or teenagers. The writing being immature doesn't mean it isn't intended for adults. The tastes of immature adults are very different from the tastes of actual kid/teenagers.
Look up Maxton Hall, My Fault film series, Wednesday, Spinning Out, Elite, School Spirits. There's a neverending list of these. All aimed at teens (girls).
Teenage girls have tons of shit for them.
Such as? The media landscape for teen girls doesn't seem much better, I see them complain about there being nothing for them too. Teen girls end up turning to anime, same as the boys
Girls aren't teens, they are in a state of superposition between permanent childhood and fuckable whore who needs rape correction. Age of consent more like get pregnant plap plap plap get pregnant plap plap plap.
They’re made for adults like me
This level of derangement is sad.
Am I on Anon Babble? Why is your autistic retarded ass hyper fixated on cartoons like they’re the only thing people watch? They aren’t.
everything i liked when i was a kid is in fact awesome. robocop predator all of it
Star Wars, Star Trek, and Marvel are very clearly aimed at adults
Old Star Trek, maybe, but none of those properties are for adults.
Keep in mind the average producer makes media with the assumption that the average person is dumber than they are - the problem is, producers are themselves dumber than an actual average person, so this compounds.
Most mainstream pop culture media is for people with the mental age of 14.
Maybe as of recent because teen boys watch Sam Hyde or other ecelebs but when I was growing up we had Jackass, Viva La Bam, Superbad, etc
Which explains why this board is obsessed whining about such IPs
All of the things he listed are factually aimed at adults
38 year old boomeranon discovers that the majority of Anon Babble is in their late teens/early twenties and the oldfags left
There’s nothing for BOYS!!! They’re entirely ignored!
Do you people ever actually realise how out of touch you are? Who the fuck is Minecraft movie meant to be aimed at if not teen boys?
They used to be "for children" because muh Nintendo
shonen, shojo, seinen, josei
what the fuck are you taking about? do you understand at all that no-one outside your weird af anime bubble have any idea what the fuck you mean by this? this is an english language board post in english you utter spastic. You are talking about fucking cartoons.
Who the fuck is Minecraft movie meant to be aimed at if not teen boys?
Preteens? Are teens really still playing Minecraft?
Are teens really still playing Minecraft?
Yes, unfortunately.
teen boys like tits, if it didn't have tits, it wasn't aimed at teen boys
Capeshit is specifically only for kids except for Daredevil ig
Uh yeah? It’s the most sold game of all time. You’re not even aware of how out of touch you are
lol you're an idiot dude
Anon Babble is majority 35-40 you idiotic zoom zoom, go back you stupid child, this board is not for you, this site is not for you, you do not belong here kiddo.
They're meant for everyone (families). Same with things like that Percy Jackson show. That's the target audience split: (young) women and everyone
so? fuck off back to Anon Babble why do you think you should be here?
Alright, then you answered your own question. Nothing is made for teen boys, because porn exists and can be accessed freely. They're not a demographic because all they do is watch internet porn all day anyway, so what's the point of making anything for them when they're going to watch internet porn instead anyway? Japanese anime industry is fucking dying btw.
that show was meant for no one, I thought it was shit my 12 yr old son thought it was shit, my 7yr old daughter thought it was shit. In short it was just total shit. not that tranime is any better.
Weird. I watched all seasons and it's clearly for women
The "mental age" of the people it's aimed at doesn't matter, only physical age matters
no this isn't true if something was made for the kids they would go for it, my son loved matrix, aliens predator, aot etc, hell he liked Prey, he liked it a lot, also the new alien movie, but over all their is a massive dearth of good or even acceptable fun action movie for youngsters, apart from the alien and predator movies he liked D&Ds, finding something fun for him to watch is so hard, where as when I was kis age we had a never ending run of great films, thats what we watch now, finding something new that isn't shit is a trial,
Jackass
Aimed at adults
Viva La Bam
Spin-off of Jackass, also aimed at adults
Superbad
Rated R
None of this was for teenagers. They watched it, but it wasn't intended for them
wtf? this is awful trash for edgy 17yr olds, it is not for children, hell its not for anybody its dogshit.
where as when I was kis age we had a never ending run of great films,
No, all of the garbage was simply forgotten. That's how it works in any medium; only the good stuff is remembered, while the garbage is forgotten and fades into obscurity.
35-40 year olds with the mental maturity of bitchy teenagers
Fixed
I watched big budget action slop growing up and now I hate big budget action slop!
And kids love the things you hate. Same way your parents thought you watched was mostly garbage.
nope not at all, someting like oh idk lost in space the movie, I could show my kids that and they'd love it, they havethe oppertunity to watch the utter trash that comes out today and they find it boring stupid crap. For instance my now 8yr old daughter thinks the 9th doctor and "are you my mommy" the peak of tv, she seriously loves it. My 12 almost 13 yr old son thinks Matrix Revolutions is the greatest thing ever, he is about to finish AoT, he's on the last arc, Erin just got shot by Gabby (he fucking hates Gabby) and it will break his little heart I'm not looking forward to it. My point is while I let them watch any modern stuff they want (with supervision) they are the ones who look away roll their eyes and ask me to play something else and its inevitably something from decades ago. They don't like the modern dribble. They are the ones who turn to me and go " I want to watch 9 (meaning ninth doctor)" my daughter or "can we watch avp?" my son. The last modern thing they liked is Mario Bros and D&D. Oh and my son liked Prey he liked it a lot he's kinda obsessed I suspect the girl might have something to do with it.
no they love the big budget films of my youth they are bored and annoyed by the big budget films of today, you didn't read my post, the problem is big fun films were being made for kids when I was one they are not being made today, so my kids like the ones I did because they don't get their own ones. I give my kids the opportunity to watch current stuff and they are bored to tears by it, they like older stuff, for instance both my kids like the first night at the museum. Where is honest fun family films that were coming out non-stop when I was younger? because guess what my kids love them how about you make more instead of preachy boring shit?
did you bother reading that post? no its saying kids love the old big budget movies and hate the boring crap that is coming out now.
Why is this out of touch boomer talking about his kids on an anonymous board full of pedos? Does he want us to ask for their pictures so we can identify them at the galleria? Does he think everything being dogshit now is some new revelation? Is he a federal agent worried about losing his job due to USAID being defunded?
Japan has fallen
lol stay butthurt faggot this shit being put out y hollywood is trash and will be remembered as such.
she looks a bit old to be wearing a schoolgirl uniform, i'm inclined to believe this may not be real
you need to go back this is Anon Babble not Anon Babble you are not welcome here, fuck off
They were. Rewatch any of them and if they resonate with you then you really need to grow up
17 year olds aren’t teenagers
You are a fucking dumbfuck lmfao lmfao
it is not for children
you are a special kinda stupid aren't you?
board full of pedos
this isn't Anon Babble you need to seek help and go the fuck back
Minecraft was made for “young audiences,” not teenage boys. That’s the complaint people are making. Shows are either made for girls, or gender-neutral.
I have no idea what your schizo retarded ass is trying to say because nobody was talking about children
fuck off back to Anon Babble you stupid child
Shows with a specific target are always 100% shit, a good show is able to entertain people of all ages.
that anon didn't invent the term "the west", you stupid bint.
Nobody gives a fuck about your future incels
you are a moron
Unironically what would you do if he comes out as trans
you produce utter shit, each and every year for over a decade now you create total crap, it won't be remembered it won't be anything but an object of derision. You make steaming plies of shit.
Boohoo nigger
You might as well ask him what he would do if you raped his child, you sick freak. Healthy kids don’t turn trans.
You support the creation of utter trash and even kids can see it a mile away, little children can see that you make total shit. How does it feel to understand that you've spent over a decade in a delusional state? One that the entire world is laughing at?
transgenderism doesn't exist
lmao, sure you are no doubt crying non-stop now that the entire world had enough of your mental derangement, is this seriously about trannies for you? wow I guess tranime was really accurate all along eh?
It can have a specific target audience and still entertain people of all ages.
Most stuff aimed at kids fits that criteria. Not having a specific target audience in mind leads to bland "mass appeal" slop.
Literally everything ever made has a specific target audience.
Figuring out who you're writing for is one of the first steps in the creative process. Whether you want your creation to be watched/read by kids, teenagers, or adults is an important decision to make.
Appealing to a demographic and being made for that demographic are two entirely different things. Plenty of things appeal to audiences that they weren't intended for, that's called a periphery demographic.
Pic related is a seinen anime/manga, meaning it was made for adult men, but it's also enjoyed by plenty of people who are neither adults nor men.
so why are current writers so bad at it and instead writing awful shit for themselves instead of for their intended audience?
Appealing to a demographic and being made for that demographic are two entirely different things
Source that Viva La Bam wasn't ever for teenagers? It being connected to Jackass(which was also for teenagers) is not a source btw
It's just a question, bro. Trannies are blech, gross! Would you take him behind the shed and shoot him?
seek immediate professional help
seek immediate professional help
The west cannot make things for teenage boys because teenage boys primarily care about fuckable teenage girls and sexualizing teenage girls is verboten in the West. Anime doesn't shame boys for being horny