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dugga doo
do a poo
Is this 1996 tv movie based or cringe?
I remember liking it a lot, but I only watched it once 20 years ago.
mixed
Based
Both, actually.
It really loses it around the half way mark. The whole plot with the atomic clock is so shit and nonsensical.
based
The 8th Doctor, his TARDIS and the intro = based.
Everything else = cringe.
Capaldi rewatch recs pls.
I will maintain that McCoy into McGann is maybe the best regeneration. The way they lean into the horror aspect of it is a really interesting creative stroke.
the best parts were already plagiarized on the EU and Classic, 10 years before NuWho making this the norm.
the worst parts were the authors' and producers' own ideas.
the directing is genuinely good though, it enhances the movie a lot.
luckily the EU managed to salvage the 8th Doctor.
Grace is cute, and I think that's based.
the Seventh Doctor had the best death and you know it. no emotional sacrificial energy wank, just a trip to San Francisco.
best companion
I think the one with Poirot was underrated. No one talks about that one.
No one talks about the one where Danny Pink was an astronaut in the future anymore either.
Probably the most tragic death scene ever.
it always made sense for the Chessmaster to die because of a stupid unpredictable accident, and because humans are retarded.
This make le sense
It's stupid that they can't bring her back as the same character in the audios, even if the actress has appeared in them.
I watched it for the first time a few months back and the pacing of it is what stood-out the most to me. The half felt like a well-paced serial from Classic, then the second half felt like a rushed single episode story from revival.
pay the Mouse.
Definitely not what they intended, but I do like it. There's a dark irony to it. He didn't even get a chance to hatch a plan, because he just walked out of a door and got shot due to sheer happenstance.
You could also tie that back to McGann being more of an active Doctor. His body correcting for the fact that he needed to be better at fighting on his feet.
I'm sure Big Finish has changed that though.
the one where Danny Pink was an astronaut in the future
i swear that felt like it was setting something up. but it just goes away. wasn't it his descendent? didn't Danny Pink die? actually die, not Doctor Who die.
disney can bring her back anytime now
getting shot didn't kill him though. only speedwatchers (or non-watchers) believe that. the bullets weren't lethal. the movie insists on the fact that it's narrow-minded doctors (eh) who killed him with the unnecessary heart probing.
8 never even mentioned Grace before he died.
Semantics. It lead to his needing to regenerate.
I watched it yesterday and it was fucking awful
She didn't want to become a companion.
companions for one day are not actual companions, even if they receive top billing. only Tennant fangirls believed that. I thought we moved away from this stupid debate years ago.
AHHHHHHHHHH GRACE SEXOOOOOOOOOO
thematically it's very important.
she was the doctor's first kiss
Mummy on the Orient Express. Flatline. More of an out there an answer: Robot of Sherwood - I do not think it is great or anything, but, for whatever issues you can level against him when it comes to writing Doctor Who, at its core I would say it show Mark Gatiss has one of the better understandings of the NuWho usual writers of what Doctor Who is about.
took his virginity
isn't even on his mind near death
What a sad fate, to be forgotten like that.
The BBC doesn't own the Disney-exclusive characters. It was a joint venture.
why was 10 not more freaked out to see the master after 8 saw him obliterated inside the eye of harmony?
The Master was brought back to life for the Time War, which the Doctor knew about. He just also thought he died in the Time War along with every other Time Lord.
Was Anthony Ainley not available to be The Master on trial? Could he not be bothered? Did they not want to pay him? In 1997 he was doing this
youtube.com
youtube.com
Daleks give The Master a trial
Daleks allow The Doctor to retrieve The Master's remains
The Daleks must have been going through a weird phase.
The Daleks were never kill first ask questions later that's an RTDism.
I do wonder what a series of these films would be have been like. How many would there be per year? 1? 4? How long would McGann had done it? What ideas they would have done? Are you going to get some notable tonal shift (if they go on that long) post-9/11?
you're right, no one thinks the ww2 lady from the narnia special or joy the fat girl are companions, but tennantfags will insist that christina de souza and adelaide brooke are
Which Doctor had the overall best companions? Is it 4?
if they were really trying to piss off chuds they'd have paired ruby with a straight black man
McCoy said to not bother getting him if they were just going to immediately kill him.
they wanted a bigger American name.
cucks him out of a free holiday to america, pay day, and royalties for the rest of his life
wow thanks sylv
James Corden
That's instant dismissal.
Gordon Tipple Pipple is a big American name
I am inclined to say so. You look at his big three -
Sarah Jane (woman from contemporary)
Leela (technically woman from the future, but for all intents and purpose pop culture cavewoman)
Romana (fellow Time Lord)
- each are distinct.
Harry got written-out as it was felt he was redundant with the casting of Tom Baker that they did not need an Ian-type, but Harry works well enough when he is with the Doctor. Adric, as much as people may not care for the character, is an attempt to give the Doctor someone to mentor - and Adric is better under Four than he is Five. As for well-designed TARDIS teams then I would say
First, Susan/Vicki (Vicki being superior to Susan), Ian, and Barbara
Second, Jaime, and Zoe
are well-balanced in what each character offers.
if you count the EU, 6 had almost only young attractive females. more than Tennant himself.
It was implied in Tales of the TARDIS that Dimensions in Time was Ace's final story.
Fuck Big Finish, PDAs and the VNAs then.
(Vicki being superior to Susan)
The Daleks must have been going through a weird phase.
They had a temporary treaty with the Time Lords post-Apocalypse Element. The Gallifrey that contacted 7 to pick up the Master's ashes wasn't even part of 7's time, but 8's on account of the latter still being stuck in the Divergent Universe post-Zagreus.
To be fair, it's just said that Ace and Seven's final story together was against the Rani. Which lines up with Dimensions in Time but could really be anything.
I don't buy that the master only recognized that the doctor was half-human here after so many encounters with each other
trolls caesar
directly responsible for the great fire of rome
laughs about it gleefully as he leaves
kek
Harry got written-out as it was felt he was redundant with the casting of Tom Baker that they did not need an Ian-type, but Harry works well enough when he is with the Doctor.
They eventually realized that it was a mistake and they could've gotten more mileage with a trio than a duo.
and Adric is better under Four than he is Five
Wouldf've been interesting to have more stories with 4, Romana and Adric together.
For me it is this Doctor having fun dealing with an assassin youtube.com
it's just said that Ace and Seven's final story together was against the Rani. Which lines up with Dimensions in Time but could really be anything.
Can it be assumed that DiT takes place post-Hex?
I don't buy that the master only recognized that the doctor was half-human here after so many encounters with each other
He needed his TARDIS to do so and he found out by accident. He wasn't looking to figure out if he was some hybrid or not.
Wouldf've been interesting to have more stories with 4, Romana and Adric together.
So the movie is regarded by the entire fanbase and show producers as canon, right?
So what's the official explanation for the half human line?
There's a fanedit that incorporates Ainley's material from the game and recasts Eric Roberts as a slave of the Master's. zaredit.wordpress.com
Only the 8th doctor is half human
1) What is the most OP TARDIS team in the show? 2) You have 3 companion slots, what is the most OP TARDIS team you can make?
So what's the official explanation for the half human line?
He's half-human. The end.
Only the 8th doctor is half human
That doesn't make any sense.
They just ignored it and they'll do the same with the Timeless child when DW is cancelled and revived yet again in 16 years.
Astrid,
Sarah Jane (2)
Jackson Lane,
Roseta,
Christina,
Brooke,
Wilf,
Craig
are NOT companions.
There isn't one. It's just been kind of ignored in the show and never brought up again aside from to mock it. The same will probably happen to the Timeless Child in a couple of decades.
It's metaphorical. The endoscopy camera got stuck in his heart. This combined with human medicine gave him a faulty regeneration
He also did not regenerate when he died until after the sisterhood of karn resurrected him
He wasn't literally half human, only effectively.
1)
Fourth, Romana, and K-9. You could throw in Adric, but he probably just detracts in practice despite whatever on-paper positives he brings.
2)
If you are to be a clever dick about it then pair them with either First or Second Doctors and it is Ian, Steven, Jamie. Each alone with the Doctor is typically the deuteragonist, equal protagonist, or straight-up the main character when it comes to getting stuff done for the story.
11
Amy
Rory
River
It's Missy, Bill and Nardole.
The endoscopy camera got stuck in his heart. This combined with human medicine gave him a faulty regeneration
Dumbass fanboy explanation. Dude's half-human, the end.
He's a magic baby, full stop.
Where is that nigga Clever Dick's 12th Doctor documentary?
then was the timeless child half-human all along? and if it was, then how did the doctor remember that detail?
Could just say it was post-regenerative delirium or something
Rose can't undo the fact Grace was his first.
then was the timeless child half-human all along?
Bro came out of the Untempered Schism. Could easily be from Gallifrey's future.
then how did the doctor remember that detail?
Regeneration crisis temporarily brought those memories back.
Could just say it was post-regenerative delirium or something
The Master learned the Doctor was half-human by using the TARDIS.
do you like the idea of the doctor being half-human yourself?
Yeah sure.
What would you describe the mood of this theme as?
Bad Wolf can have Grace wiped from history and raped forever in a hell dimension.
Auditory hallucination during death.
Playback speed x2
Shit into gold.
GRACE: And straight to track four.
CURTIS: Track four coming up.
(She puts a CD in the player and NIGGERS TONGUE MY ANUS NIGGERS TONGUE MY ANUS picks up from where Grace had to leave the opera.)
DOCTOR 7: Puj. Nigger faggotry.
why do you need one? the First Doctor already said that he is human multiple times.
The Bad Wolf entity is so powerful that she may even become the next Doctor, another pathetic turn of the RTD power fantasy.
bad wolf was just the doctor cosplaying as rose from a future incarnation because she was also the moment
That's why 8 didn't remember her.
16 decided to troll 9 into falling in love with himself
Based or cringe?
Infinity Doctors features an early Doctor who hasn't left Galliftey yet, but the Doctor in it looks like 8. In it, we see the Doc with his giantess wife, Patience, who is Susan's grandmother. Cold Fusion's audio adaption features a memory of an early Doctor speaking to Patience and his voice is that of 7's. This means that 7 and 8 are revisitations of past regenerations.
the doctor knew it was the only way he could get over the war
What is some more weird or esoteric extended universe lore?
"See that, that's the retinal structure of the human eye. The Doctor is Half Human."
He was physically half human, the Master states it outright.
What do you think 16 did after 10 left her Metacrisis? Do you think she just said it was all a prank bro before abandoning him in the parallel universe?
Flatline, Mummy on Orient Express, Husbands of River Song
This audio presents an alternate backstory for the 1st Doc's departure from Gallifrey. It takes the origin bits from Lungbarrow but removes the loom stuff. So Susan is his honest to God granddaughter made the natural way. In it, an older Susan becomes Lady President of Gallifrey because the Doctor refuses to take office and would instead prefer to write stories about the adventures he never had. Its sequel has her replace herself with a younger version of herself to travel with her grandad, setting up Unearthly Child or Whittaker's Daleks if you prefer.
This audio presents an alternate backstory for the 1st Doc's departure from Gallifrey
It's shit but fun
I'd rather fuck Susan, but Vicki is the more interestingly characterised and her relationship with the Doctor actually feels grandfatherly/granddaughterly.
Who is the most memeable Doctor and why is it Hartnell?
Unbund?
The only Doctor with widely recognisable memes is 10.
It is a mixture of 1. mannerisms, and 2. the show still deciding what it and the Doctor should be. You could also argue the stage play aspect adds something to it all.
Eccleston has some gems, gif related.
Better question is which is the least memeable Doctor?
Uh oh...
The Rani, obsessed with restoring Gallifrey through manipulating DNA, discovers a dimensional aperture detected by The Vlinx within UNIT. She summons Omega’s disembodied consciousness from the Underverse after collapsing Wish World, believing she can harness him as a power source. A god-shaped battery to power a birthing matrix that will rebuild the Time Lords from genetic echoes, using the Space Babies or "timeless children" (harvested from dimensional anomalies) as incubators.
Omega’s consciousness begins manifesting in the Bone Palace as a giant cybernetic crab, the physical embodiment of hate and revenge. His presence warps reality. Time fractures and memories get rewritten. The Earth becomes Time Locked. As more people see and believe in him as God, his influence and form grows stronger. Omega has his own plan to birth a new Pantheon: not the old Time Lords like the Rani wishes, but The High Table of Chronos, regenerated from stolen DNA and grown in harvested minds of the Space Babies. They will not uphold the laws of time, they will rewrite them. Earth as a surrogate nexus point, feeding off collective belief and memory. Every human becomes a vessel, rewriting their neurons to mirror Time Lord architecture. After Omega betrays the Rani and eats Mrs Flood, The Doctor and Susan realise they hold the key to a magic tree planted by them on Gallifrey long ago, the only anchor point in time uncorrupted by Omega’s influence. Together, they use the tree's manifest "promise of hope" to build the Anti-Reality Bomb, cutting Omega’s tether to belief and thought rewriting him into a myth, but mortally wounding the Doctor in the process, and causing everyone including his companions to forget him.
Why does he raise his cheeks like that?
someone please put RTD out of his misery
sounds like faction paradox
it's clearly Troughton.
A little cheeky smile eeked out as he gleefully imagined the dalek killing itself.
anorexic
Underverse? Different to the anti-matter universe or something else? Wish World? What is all that? I have not been watching.
The Time Lords are just Cybermen now what's all this talk of bringing back Gallifrey like it was destroyed by some reality bomb.
wish world was where the last episode was set. it was some weird truman show style world where the doctor was a human and had a baby with his companion. underverse hasn't been explained yet but it's where omega is currently trapped. the rani opened it last episode and omega was freed, which was the cliffhanger.
Every human becomes a vessel, rewriting their neurons to mirror Time Lord architecture.
Where have I seen THAT before? Get some new material, Russell!
Moffat: what if the Daleks forgot about the Doctor…? actually nevermind, it's stup-
RTD:
You could post literally anything in spoilers and I'd believe it. Anything. The Doctor gets shot in the ass by the Rani's Tissue Inflation Enabler and begins expanding at a catastrophic rate, but at the last second he induces a quantum prolapse that protects most of the visible universe within a fixed point. The Universe is saved, but the Doctor, like a fat momma hen, must sit on it forever, the Power Bottom Victorious.
Different to the anti-matter universe or something else?
Same thing basically.
Wish World?
Basically using the power of a god, the Rani has rewritten Earth and brainwashed people on it to follow the wishes of one human in order to use the power of doubt to breach a hole in reality and get Omega.
the master destroyed it in the chibnall era when he found out the doctor wasn't really a gallifreyan but some sort of magical entity.
Everyone in existence forgetting about the Doctor is better though. It would have real consequences for a while if absolutely nobody knew who he was before things got reset back to normal.
It’s getting harder to distinguish between real RTD slop and ChatGPT slop
real consequences
in NuWho
in NuNuWho even
in NuNuNuWho if it ever exists
If this happens then it will not be reset because the next episode is the last episode. It's been canned. If it ever comes back it will be in another 5-10 years.
There would at least be one story about people forgetting him before everyone remembers. That's an improvement.
RTD just stealing elements from the past:
discovers a dimensional aperture
Like The Master discovering the sound he's been hearing a signal for the Time Lords. (The End of Time)
believing she can harness him as a power source
Like The Cybermasters using that weird energy being as a power source. (The Power of the Doctor)
birthing matrix that will rebuild the Time Lords from genetic echoes
So it's a new Time Lord Paradigm (Victory of the Daleks)
Every human becomes a vessel, rewriting their neurons to mirror Time Lord architecture.
End of Time Part 2 where they rewrite the Master onto everyone.
mortally wounding the Doctor in the process, and causing everyone including his companions to forget him.
Journey's End, but this time it's everyone rather than just Donna.
This is just to allow a completely fresh reboot while keeping continuity. Nobody remembers the Doctor anymore and he's mortally wounded so can regenerate and go off in a new body.
Effectively whoever takes over would have to use a new incarnation and cannot use any prior companions unless they retcon.
The Doctor and Susan realise they hold the key to a magic tree planted by them on Gallifrey long ago
FINALLY, a resolution to the mystery of that time the Third Doctor mentioned something about a tree. i KNEW it was meaningful!
is this it, lads?
is it over? for good?
please, don't tell me there's more… I just can't…
Hopefully this is where the show permanently ends.
Another Wilderness years and then maybe it'll reboot when the licence gets passed to Amazon down the line.
This song is ending, but the story NEVER ends.
that was already explained in the VNAs.
Just retcon nuWho and continue where the movie left off while McGann is still young.
Its Joever
Russell starts taking notes
Anons have said it before, but saying there will be another Wilderness Years is misleading as the term is loaded with what the first Wilderness Years was like. A second Wilderness Years will be in no real way comparable to the the first.
I just remembered the k-9 series that was going to have Omega.
You can tell Doctor Who is shit because there is hardly any rule 34 and it's all shit.
VNAs
Oh, so it's finally being explained by something that's canon now.
People were still into Who when it went off the air the first time
20 years of shit… finally… coming to an end…
please, no more… NO. MORE.
Does the destroyed Earth throughout this series make any sense at all? We've never seen the Doctor in the future finding out that Earth was conquered by Daleks or Cybermen or anything, have we? What makes a wish God's actions different to anything like that?
You doubt the power of God?
something something time can be rewritten something something
Pretty sure there was a 13th Doctor episode where they landed on a desolate planet in the far future and it turned out to be Earth destroyed by climate change or something.
Yeah, that is what I am getting at. It is the combination that far grater interest in Who, plus: 2) less of a clusterfuck in what had come before and what there was to work with; 3) more creative freedom was awarded and avenues of exploration available; and 4) both 7th was popular enough and 8th was a fresh start.
Yeah, it'll basically just be denial for a while. The War Between The Land and The Sea will air and likely try to bait a new season that'll never happen, like Class.
Then it'll be people pretending the show will return in 2027, only for it not to return.
Then we'll probably have a year or so where people just mourn the loss of the show which may inspire creativity - followed by nostalgia hitting as they get nearer to the 65th anniversary - probably a fan project/movie will attract attention and the 65th anniversary will be celebrated by the fans.
Then things will go quiet and it'll probably return before the 70th anniversary.
The TARDIS always sends the Doctor to where he needs to be, so it's not been a problem until now.
Does the destroyed Earth throughout this series make any sense at all?
Nope. There was never a point where it made sense for Earth to have exploded prior to the V-Indicator being used. The Rani didn't even go and get the baby until after her bigeneration, so you can't even just imagine Mrs. Flood wishing the Earth blown up to start the Doctor's quest and then wishing it back together afterward. There was actually ZERO REASON for the Earth to be inaccessible/exploded at any point whatsoever.
it's another episode of anon posts a fake plot synopsis without a source and everyone immediately believes it
To be lame and repost what I said a few days back...
Wilderness 2.0 / Second Wilderness. Although the state of the franchise will be in a far worse position than the first. There is all the baggage now that the first Wilderness did not have. There was still an audience in 1989, whereas now (both amongst the casual and hardcore audiences) the show does not have the same strength of fanbase. There will not be the same creativity that the first Wilderness had, for the BBC will manage it far more stricter and the writers they will get will all will be a mixture of: the same people that have dominated the franchise for 20-30 years, simple diversity hires who lack talent or experience, and absolute hacks who just toe the line of whatever ideology the BBC want - all of whom will see nothing wrong with all the issues there are now. Big Finish is basically exhausted. In some respects books are less of a thing than what they were in the 1990s. 7th was a liked enough Doctor to continue with; plus, the movie brought in McGann/8th as a established yet blank enough template for writers to work with and his willingness to do Big Finish.
The TARDIS always sends the Doctor to where he needs to be
I hope whoever wrote that episode chokes on a chicken bone. I can't fucking stand that line being parroted over and over as a matter of fact.
The Rani has a time machine, any point is a good point.
just as the other anon said, any "leak" no matter how retarded will still be better than what we'll actually get.
To state the condition even more, consider where you go from here. You want to reboot it? What sort of reboot? A soft reboot? That means all the issues (Timeless Child, bigeneration etc. etc.) are still there. Even if you say they can just be ignored, well: 1) for many there is will still be a gnawing knowledge that there are there; 2) the show eventually can just easily revisit them to further legitimatise them / remind everyone; 3) some things probably cannot be easily ignored; and 4) at this point you cannot easily (if at all) retcon some of these things. A hard reboot? That means all the history (which I use in various ways from behind the scenes development to the characters to the extended media and so on) of the show is gone. That will both alienate much of the hardcore fanbase and the franchise will never have the same spark in general. Besides, even if they do a hard reboot that does not mean that the things we want them to avoid or bring back to not just get brought in again yet done worse - take the example of Disney Star Wars: Palpatine returns in the EU is generally considered a bad creative idea, yet Disney do it though even worse; people wanted Thrawn from the EU, Disney do it though it is shit. The point being you could get a hard reboot, but even with the clean slate the worst ideas from the 'original'/'prime'/'first' (whatever you call it) canon/universe just creep in. Soft or hard reboot, there is no guarantee that it will even take-off: say there reboot it in 2035, it is great and it magically solves all the issues we have with it; well - it may just not be popular with enough people, gets cancelled after a season, and that is basically it. The success of the 2005 revival was not a given; even the very production of the revival was not a given. Too much damage has been done that cannot be fixed. At best, some second revival or a reboot will be a shadow of a shadow - perhaps with short-term success in popularity yet no longevity.
Blame Neil Gaiman and Moffat for that, pretty sure both of them had a hefty hand in The Doctor's Wife.
continue where the movie left off while McGann is still young.
I'd allow the audios to still have happened but up to a certain point.
fucking cringe. The doctor is apparently half human.
This doesn't work because the Doctor and the Rani still have to live a series of events in a certain order. I guess it could be a bootstrap paradox of some kind, but the loop is entirely unearned and not even implied in any of the dialogue at any point. The writing makes it very clear that Mrs. Flood started the plan just after the Doctor and Belinda fucked off to the incel planet and it culminated in her collecting the lucky baby AFTER her bigeneration to start up Wish World. Somehow, Mrs. Flood blew up the entire planet and made that point in time inaccessible by TARDIS, and how she did it is never explained nor does it every carry a single shred of consequence. It's all so badly implemented it feels like they retconned it for the final 2-parter and just decided that never really happened.
Doctor Who died on the very day BF got the NuWho license.
massively and violently retarded shit
What's your stopping point for 8 then?
Yeah, they've done that a few times
this. every true fan knows he originally was fully human.
BBC reveals an exclusive hour-long episode of Unleashed to celebrate 20 years of NuWho.
The best NuWho Doctors refuse to take part.
If one of the two HAD to be the official canon/truth about the Doctor, which would you choose and why?
Half Human on Mother's side
The Timeless Child
It never happened because Mrs Flood was killed during the song contest.
different anon but I would say finish with the 8th Doctor adventures, or maybe check out the odd special such as their 50th story 'Light at the End'.
Then we'll probably have a year or so where people just mourn the loss of the show which may inspire creativity - followed by nostalgia hitting as they get nearer to the 65th anniversary - probably a fan project/movie will attract attention and the 65th anniversary will be celebrated by the fans.
I am not even sure about that. A lot of people already consider it dead and have mourned the lost - ending it is just a mercy kill and source of relief. As for creativity, I do not see how you are going to get something like the New Adventures, Missing Adventures, Eighth Doctor Adventures, or early-Big Finish. The level of popularity of the franchise is not there, it feels like those sort of books and reading is not really a thing nowadays, and it all comes down to who even gets allowed to write. I doubt they get any one that is particularly talented or has interesting ideas, and it could easily just be the same people that have been working on Doctor Who for decades still just working on it.
after Dark Eyes.
Doom Coalition had River Song. also Dark Eyes was supposed to be a fresh start for 8 so it makes sense.
>Half Human on Mother's side
This easily. Anyone here saying otherwise is just trolling and baiting for (You)s.
For the loop to hold, doesn't Mrs Flood just have to make the planet inaccessible? Does that to be a wish baby thing? Surely there's some kind of technology that can block a TARDIS.
True, I'm fine with that also. They have really butchered it.
If the timeless child was a white boy you would be saying otherwise.
reminder that this entire thing was a ploy to basically reduce DW's market value so disney can buy it on the extra cheap- RTD is being paid in underage asian rent boys by the mouse
rewriting him into a myth
That's shitty.
Mrs Flood must also have a TARDIS since she appeared throughout the timeline in every episode. So it doesn't make sense either way.
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what's with all the meta shite, this is a camp sci-fi for 10 year olds, what the fuck
The Doctor being half-human does not truly change anything either in what came before or impacting things going forward. Timeless Child does and it is shit for all the reasons you already know.
So what’s the worst case scenario for Saturday? Gatwa doesn’t regenerate and stays on for Wilderness 2?
If Mrs Flood is in control of whatever is blocking access, she would probably be able to slip through her own barrier.
Billie Piper
It hasn't been that for years
after Dark Eyes.
After 1 or 4?
For the loop to hold, doesn't Mrs Flood just have to make the planet inaccessible?
To me, the biggest problem is this shot. Earth isn't just inaccessible, it's destroyed. Most likely exploded somehow. Another problem is the fact that they go into the future and Earth has been wiped from history, but there's also no evidence of Omega or Indian Rani or anything else changing except for Earth just having been wiped out in 2025. It makes no sense, because if you try the, "But in the future the Doctor already stopped Omega," angle it falls apart due to Earth still being gone in the future when it obviously would have been restored by stopping Omega. The only thing that will make sense is if they let Earth stay destroyed and all humans stay dead.
after the Dark Eyes series.
TLOU cut to black cliffhanger followed by 15 year hiatus.
Well I consider that different to something that a villain has caused (or tried to cause) until the Doctor intervenes. And since the Doctor always stops the villain (and will again here) there shouldn't be a destoyed/devastated Earth for him to learn about.
Doctor: It's a fallacy, of course, that cats can see in the dark. They can't. But they can see better than we humans, because the iris of their eyes dilates at night. Yes.
-The Sensorites
Doctor: They are men. Human beings, like you and me. Although it appears at the moment that you're behaving in a rather sub-human fashion.
-The Savages
Even the Second Doctor was referred to as human.
DOCTOR: Well why choose Jamie for this [Human-Factor-]test?
DALEK: His travelling with you makes him unique.
DOCTOR: But why him, why not me?
DALEK: Request denied.
DOCTOR: Why?
DALEK: You have travelled too much through time. You are more than human.
-The Evil of the Daleks
Seems like the best case scenario to me.
The War Between The Land and The Sea
What's the show actually called, though?
The War Between The Land and The Sea
HOENN CONFIRMED
She does a Tennant style "What What WHAT?!"
Amy: You look human
The Doctor: No, you look Time Lord
Will she draw attention to that fact that her giant teeth make her barely intelligible when she speaks?
Too much water
Team Magma did nothing wrong
Five episodes of Murray Gold murdering the horn section.
These kinds of scenarios melt my brain, but if there's an Omega wins timeline, he would probably want to guarantee his ascension and make sure events happen roughly as they did. The only thing is, is it even possible for there to be a timeline where Omega won to set this up? The Doctor needs to be in Wish World for Omega to be freed, meaning that for destroyed Earth to happen the Doctor needs to have failed. But if that's the case, does that mean someone needs to mess with time in the finale so the Doctor can win?
The Doctor being half-human
Pick your poison.
Son of Leela and Andred who's birth face may look like Paul McGann and later travels into Gallifrey's ancient past to become one of its founders. Marries a literal goddess/giantess and has 13 children with her, one of which has Susan. All 13 children and grandchildren are killed except for Susan who the Doctor takes with him to escape.
Son of the time lord, Ulysses, and genius human inventor, Penelope Gate. Ulysses eventually leaves Penelope and their son behind for her to raise on her own. She eventually dies and the Doctor is taken to Gallifrey to learn in the Academy. Penelope's a self insert for Kate Orman BTW. Also, the Doc has a half-sister on his father's side who's also half-human. His dad really liked human girls.
Son of the time lord, Ulysses, and an Egyptian princess. Ulysses becomes Pharaoh due to being mistaken as a god and the Doctor spends his early years in Ancient Egypt until his mother's death and is transported to Gallifrey to be raised by his grandfather. His half-human nature is kept secret due to Gallifrey's no tolerance policies against hybrids.
Son of himself and Benny Summerfield. Conceived in the ending pages of The Dying Days, the Doctor fathers himself along with 12 other children.
Is there an option to take poison myself to stop all of this from being canon?
Dark Eyes really isn't great, mind. Suffers from a lot of the same problems the the 4DAs do
DALEK: You have travelled too much through time. You are more than human.
So travelling through time a fuck ton or constant exposure to the time vortex is what makes you a Time Lord. So the Doc might not even be true Gallifreyan but a human who became a Time Lord the hard way. Explains why he was so shit in school. He's not one of them.
Although it appears at the moment that you're behaving in a rather sub-human fashion.
Hello, based department...
Suffers from a lot of the same problems the the 4DAs do
Such as?
the clothes
Ncuti is bigenerating and Verada is 16.
She already knew what a TARDIS was in episode 1. Its obvious.
Why the fuck did RTD even bring back Sutekh, The Rani, and Omega? Disney don't even have the back catalog of NewWho let alone the Classic Series, and this was supposed to be a fresh slate/jumping on point - on one of the world's largest streaming platforms, may i add.
They start the entire fucking era with resolving the Donna plotline from 2008. Any new viewers wouldn't be able to follow the story at all.
The Sutekh return was shit. A giant fucking dog that does nothing.
The new Rani is ok, but she may as well be a regeneration of Missy or a completely new villain.
Omega has been reduced to a giant CGI monster like Sutekh was, so that's confirmed shit too.
trying to copy the NuWho formula.
maybe 2005 really is the definitive end after all. just put the 8 audios at the very beginning of the EDAs as they originally intended.
All shit, the other may be a future half human from outside the time Lords frontiers and time and noosphere but the Doctor is full gallifreyan
Ignore them like nuwho ignoring the doctor being half human
RTD is terminally online and unironically think that everybody routinely checks the TARDIS data core and pretends to know about Classic episodes they haven't watched.
Rose Tyler × Milking Machien
There could have been some handwaved way for Mrs. Flood to have simply blocked access to Earth with some kind of time lock that puts it in a permanent loop and excludes it from future events. That would have explained Earth vanishing from history after 2025 in a way that still allowed creating Wish World and summoning Omega later. But since they had to go with the "Earth is destroyed" thing, there's no way out. The only way for the loop to make sense is for Earth to be destroyed and remain destroyed, because the Doctor restoring Earth would make that whole "what's Earth?" revelation from the Midnight episode impossible.
I'm sure RTD will just completely ignore all these consequences and tell people not to think about it too hard. We won't get a satisfying conclusion that answers everything because the questions being posed are fundamentally un-answerable.
Mrs Flood is cool
The tone sort of shifts towards the end of the EDAs to the point that it ends in quite a dark and unsatisfying way (on purpose - not in a bad way either)
But the tone sort of gets a bit more, not darker but dower? It's not a lot of fun anymore like the best of the Eighth Doctor era was.
The Fourth Doctor stuff gets bogged down in a bunch of story arcs that you couldn't give a shit about but Briggs presents to you like the most important shit ever.
The Eminence comes to mind as one thing that they kept fucking pushing but never felt remotely believable as a big universe ending threat because of the way it was written
When you start getting to the era of BF where every fucking story is a 12-CD box set then you can stop
Marries a literal goddess/giantess and has 13 children
Elaborate on this.
The Rani’s plan is in motion. By manipulating the Doctor into remembering his past, she’s shattered the illusion and cracked a hole through time itself. The Doctor falls from the Bone Palace in the sky, cast out as reality fractures above. Bel remains trapped inside, still under the dream’s influence, unaware of what’s truly happening.
The Vindicator, ticks inside the Rani’s backwards-turning clock, now fused with a living paradox: The baby God of Wishes. His innocent whims twist reality with every giggle. The cracks widen.
From one of them, Omega emerges crab-like, crystalline, and partially composed of anti-time, mutated by eons trapped in a black hole, he has one goal: to rewrite history and position himself as the center of time. To undo his banishment. To become the Prime Architect of reality.
The Doctor, bloodied but alive, stumbles through unstable time pockets. A psychic message reaches him—his granddaughter, Susan, speaking from within Omega’s growing timeline. But it’s not a cry for help. She’s thriving here. “You left me, this time, I’ll leave you.”
Suddenly, a paradox tear opens and Rogue emerges, scarred by the temporal hell he’s been caught in. Flickering, half-consumed by fire and paradox, he has one choice: link himself to the Vindicator and collapse the false timeline before it hardens into permanence. But it will cost the Doctor’s life
He climbs the Bone Palace’s crumbling spires one last time, finding Bel and breaking the last of the illusion for her. Together, they confront the Rani, who’s too obsessed with Omega’s arrival to notice Mrs Flood watching silently from the shadows, her expression unreadable.
The Doctor kisses Rogue goodbye
Time shatters like a wineglass. He steps into the Vindicator’s heart.
A flash: every version of him. Every companion. Every failure.
The Rani screams. Omega crab-shrieks.
Susan watches, cold and unmoved.
And then
White. Silence. A baby laughs.
Reality reboots.
The Doctor is gone.
You can always tell when someone uses ChatGPT because of the use of —
The Doctor's last action alive is kissing a faggot
Probably real
Why does ChatGPT love em dashes?
That's the only thing that gave it away? Wish I had spotted that one first. It's hard cutting to under 2000 characters.
...just ask it to cut it down to 2000 characters
Elaborate on this.
The height difference is like this. She's an actual goddess. Of a race older than Gallifrey itself. She was married to Omega and had an affair with the Doctor. Then when Omega was out of the picture, she married the Doctor and they had 13 kids. She also regenerated to look like a normal Time Lord to hide her original nature from the council and apparently looked like Zoe Heriot.
The Doctor is the hybrid tho. The entire point of Heaven Sent is 12th revealing the half human destined to conquer Gallifrey is him
Moffat was teasing the audience.
It was capitalised as "the hybrid is Me" in the script (which you can read on BBC writers room).
"Me" as in the character Maisie Williams played.
looked like Zoe Heriot
based
That's the only thing that gave it away?
Not that anon, but there's a lot more than that which gave it away.
I forgot this character exosted
Me
Remember Game of Thrones?
Ryan, Graham and Pting
The Doctor is the hybrid tho. The entire point of Heaven Sent is 12th revealing the half human destined to conquer Gallifrey is him
This was a story Moffat pitched with the 8th Doc for Big Finish.
Carrot juice overdose
nope
Apologize.
Why do RTDtrannies hate it so much?
They'd been conditioned into expecting finales to feature some returning classic era villain (usually Daleks) coming back and wanting to bomb the universe.
no
What are some good WHO audio books / dramas I can listen to?
What's the made except 2 or 3 seasons of Doctor Who?
I'm catching up to current Who too quickly. What are some must see episodes from oldWho?
For Heaven Sent? Yes.
For Hell Bent? No.
I never called it bad.
Because a lot of RTDtrannies want to have sex with the Doctor so they got mad when he was old.
I feel like you are going to get such varied answers if you ask that of people familiar with Classic. There are also serials that are great or interesting, but are probably not the best ones to try to get into Classic with as they require some familiarity or they just do not exist in complete footage - like I would say both The Power of the Daleks and The Evil of the Daleks are the best Dalek stories, but you can only watch them through reconstruction. To actually give you an answer, all of S13 and S14 (both 4th Doctor) are solid.
If you want to watch an actual series start to finish, Spearhead from Space is a great jumping on point, as is Robot or Terror of the Zygons.
But it really comes down to personal taste, because each era has its own vibe.
The Twin Dilemma
A lot of classic who is bad
Terrible taste, all of them.
REGENERATE
Early thread, idiot.
Coomer threads are all well and good anon, but just doing too frequently and with the very same image is not charming.
Here's some great suggestions for each Doctor:
The Web Planet
The Space Pirates
The Time Monster
Underworld
Time-Flight
Timelash
Time and the Rani.
Enjoy.
We're at bump limit?
What of Nu do you like? Classic can vary per Doctor. And even within Doctor's something like the Fourth Doctor can be divided into at least 3 sub-eras itself.
Now we are yes.
I am not saying anything about bump limit, but you made the exact same thread only a few days back archive.4plebs.org
archive.4plebs.org
archive.4plebs.org
There is a diminishing returns aspect doing it so frequently.
Honestly, if you remember an obscure doctor who thread from a few days ago, that's on you.
How dare you put stage play dreamesque kino that is The Web Planet with the rest of that shit
Marries a literal goddess/giantess and has 13 children with her,
basaso x 20000000
Fuck you I like The Time Monster.
Hell bent is shit, Chib is shit, RTD2 is shit. Heaven sent is GOAT. Total Maise and Clalaaaa death