Thoughts?

I was a little disappointed. The plot was disjointed, it lacked action and humor, the callbacks were forced, and even the stunts felt uninspired and overlong. Dead Reckoning was way better. Still, Cruise was great as always, the supporting cast is solid, there was palpable tension and the score was memorable.

Overall 6/10, middling end to the franchise if it is really the last one.

It was very good on a technical level, but had dull periods where I almost fell asleep.

I'M GONNA SAY IT

The submarine level was a bore.

It was like they planned two big sequences (submarine and small plane) and then just fill the rest of the movie with whatever thing that came to their mind.

I still don't know from where Ethan got another parachute

submarine scenes gave me anxiety, they were pretty good

They sort of did. Dead Reckoning was originally one movie, but the script was too long and Cruise and McQuarrie didn't want to cut any of the setpieces, so they basically split it in half and padded the hell out of the two resulting scripts. We even have some info on the original version.

Gabriel didn’t exist. Male Paris played by Nicholas Hoult was the main villain alongside the Entity.

Degas didn’t exist. Grace was Briggs’s partner who changes sides and had no romance with Ethan since Ilsa wasn’t supposed to die. Also Briggs being Phelps’s son was revealed right away.

The general plot structure was White Widow gala in Rome > Orient Express heist > Sevastopol rescue > Big finale at the Doomsday Bunker in Africa.

It would have been the best packed MI film unironically
I don't think Rebecca would have wanted to end up like another ethan "love interest"

This can't be the last one. It's ok if it's not the last one, but as the finale it fucking sucks so please Tom make another one. A good one. No need for too many stuntfoolery, just a solid action thriller.

the last one will be in a nursing home for old people

Ilsa was clearly Ethan's love interest even if all their kiss scenes from Rogue Nation to Dead Reckoning were cut.

I want the next one to be about Ethan chilling with the Entity and his own team being tasked to bring him down. That would truly be that last

I want this because FR just didn't deliver on concluding the series in a satisfying way. It was merely ''okay'' and that isn't Cruise's standard

Stories are for entertainment. Humor adds entertainment.

It can. But sometimes "humor" isn't really humor. Marvel quips aren't humor imo. Guardians of the Galaxy is not funny.

All Mission Impossible movies have humor.

hates humor

social outcast karen

To be fair, Gabriel said he was the only one *wearing* a parachute, not that he had the only parachute.

Still a bit awkward, though.

Something is wrong with you if you don't find them funny and get triggered over humor.

To be fair, Gabriel said he was the only one *wearing* a parachute, not that he had the only parachute.

I get that. It just is a weird line. And then showing Cruise's parachute burning up on top of it. Were they trying to create confusion or just not thinking? I don't know. It's especially bizarre since the movie goes out of its way to hand hold the audience in terms of plot to the point of absurdity.

does not understand jokes

basement dweller

You think Guardians is funny? My point is I don't consider that humor. I don't like the Whedon type dialogue at all. Whereas, something like Ghostbusters (1984), I do find funny.

Ilsa was clearly Ethan's love interest even if all their kiss scenes

Ilsa:
youtu.be/fOAIrUZbOwo?si=fg4jnn9pkx4hoqHA&t=557

jokes

Out of place pop culture references that will immediately become dated are "jokes"
If you're trolling, though, then bravo

You don't find it funny? Something is wrong with you.

Entity(instead of Grok), is it true than we're close to extinction?
Entity, what time is in Langley?

seethes instead of laughing at jokes

ok boomer

youtube.com/watch?v=UPeEeGHydWs
Accurate video

cons

very boring for an action movie

three hours of tom looking shocked

depression-core

boring ai enemy, generic human bad guy

no twists

constant cutting, no clips longer than 2-3 seconds

pros

the dive and sub scenes were pretty neat

My point is I don't consider that humor.

Sounds like a you problem.

A bit triggered at someone not liking the made by committee formulaic Hollywood blockbuster huh?

>dead reckoning was way better

dead reckoning was the worst MI movie i've ever seen

bro MI fallout was the last movie i ever saw in theaters with my family, i specifically paid to take them out and get the whole 9 with popcorn and snacks and drinks because of how good it was. we LOVED IT. we we're talking about it for weeks

and now you're SERIOUSLY fucking telling me the FINAL, LAST mission impossible is even fucking worse than the one i despised on every conceivable level?

It's slightly better than Dead Reckoning. But then again Dead Reckoning is probably the worst movie I've ever seen, especially considering its budget, the supposed positive critical reaction, and the resources involved in creating it.

Dead Reckoning is fine. I don't get the overblown hate.

On second thought, in some ways it's worse than Dead Reckoning. There's even less of a plot and coherent dialogue somehow. In some ways it's even dumber. The only thing better are some of the action scenes and settings.

It's not overblown. The positive reaction is what is insane and overblown. It's comically incompetent. It's not "fine". But then again people excuse modern media all the time because admitting the obvious causes existential dread or challenges their worldview.

no u

s m h

The moment I saw the 3-hour runtime I knew there were major issues.

Or maybe you're just a sour cunt.

Fallout was the best MI movie and had pretty much no humor.
Humor is just there if you need to entertain kids

there's a particular scene that comes to mind when i ask myself why exactly i hate dead reckoning so much and it's when haley atwell's character is talking to tom and he says something along the lines of "i would do anything to protect you"

it's not specifically that line, but that entire sequence, during that, she also says something to him that essentially felt like some seething tranny writer turning her into a mouthpiece, calling him out on shit he's never done, and never would do, and trying to belittle his character for this literal fucking lie

i'd already disliked the movie up until that point but it was at that exact moment when i realized this piece of shit film was trying to be actively hostile toward its own long-standing fanbase

i can't speak on it any further because i've obviously repressed that dogshit to protect my brain and i will never watch it again even with a gun to my head - but all i do is create and consume media and i've completely specc'd my autism toward it. if a movie is shit to me, it is SHIT. and it always will be. i trust my objective judgements even if i've forgotten all the actual specifics behind the "why"

every MI movie with the faggot from shaun of the dead is immediately dropped

1, 3, Fallout are all that matter

I don’t know why, but it seems like everyone who’s against a wave of people liking a movie not just Mission: Impossible, but any popular movie always sounds like they’re regurgitating things they’ve heard from e-celebs. And worse, the way they express themselves and write makes it seem like their personalities have been shaped by those opinions, like they’re almost imitating them. It’s honestly disgusting. I don’t know if any of these people have ever had a genuine, emotional experience with a movie, but I also wouldn’t want to say they’re inferior or anything like that for not having one. Honestly, I just hope that someday they experience something real.
It’s a complete absence of thought but who knows, maybe it’s the first sign of the entity.

What? The only thing she does is ask him why he cares so much about her despite not knowing her, and then she just starts freaking out while they explain the plan to her.

This sounds like projection. Positivity about new things is much more common from e-celebs. People are now offended by criticism of anything new. It's actually bizarre.

fallout has pegg in it and he plays more than a tertiary role in it. that's seriously the guy you hate? not ving "mr. zesty" rhames with his gay hats and terrible acting and magical hacker negro 2d archetype?

typical action movie archetypes

this makes them seethe

Let me guess, you are the types who think The Last Jedi is genius

nu4chan has terrible taste in media in general.
This place spent a whole fucking decade deepthroating the MCU and Game of Thrones

there are several points in their dialogue together overall where i explicitly remember her making aspersions toward ethan's character that are entirely unfounded but the movie treats them like they are cold hard uncomfortable truths

the cringy line where she equates him not being able to start the car after they crash to his dick not being able to get hard was already bad enough to nearly turn it off right there, and so all i remember is that it got even worse than that

to say nothing of the miserably retarded boomer-tier muh evil internets plot, cheap ass antagonists, nonsensical character decisions, pacing, on and on and on. dead reckoning was SHIT

why do you even bother posting? you are so obviously some shit eating mud that calls everybody chud and incel in the same breath it's not even funny. what fake side are you even trying to take

Like what?
All I remember of her character is that she's like a normal girl reacting to the usual insanity that Ethan and the others are up to, to the point she's almost crying of fear at the end because they shot at her.

Haley Atwell is also just a terrible fucking actress. I much preferred Rose the Hat.

chud

incel

Unlike nu4chan I pride myself in not using Twitter Newspeak.
You are the pretentious retards going

ummm like this typical action movie is like so ummm cliche??? lile where's my hecking subversion and my hecking humor????

Fucking kill yourselves

the quintessential midwit

After Fallout, the only way they could go is down. A shame, looking back they should have just ended it there.

DURRR I NOT LIKE DA NEWFAGS I USE DA OLDFAG SPEAK

ERM HECKIN ERM NUCHAN ERM TWITTER ERM YOU RETARDED ERM DIS IS WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE DURRRR IM SMART YOU DUMB ERMMM I BET YOU LIKE DA LAST JEDI

What shade of shit are you?

Yeah, sure, there are e-celebs who are positive about everything too, but every single critique that’s come out of Anon Babble and all the popular takes have been

flashbacks

first 1:30 hour nothing happens

only action scenes are good

Like, it’s always the same criticism, always without substance, always labeling things with vague generalizations, zero depth. And the worst part is, it’s not even something that’s actually in the movie it’s just the first thing they could come up with to call a “critique.” Like, oooh look at me criticizing the “structure” so it looks like I know what I’m talking about.
Same old routine. Like their first instinct when faced with a big-budget movie is to immediately reject it and tear it down, just to show you they “really understand cinema.” And it’s always with that passive-aggressive tone of “well, everyone’s entitled to their opinion,” but the second you disagree, you’re side eyed just for wanting something as honest as finding meaning in a piece of art.
Like its disgusting to me because I always think of like a grown ass man imitating YMS or moistcritikal, its cringe even thinking about it.
That’s why I said I hope they experience something genuine someday. I have no problem with them thinking whatever they want, but I do have a problem with them expecting me to think the same way or wanting everyone to believe there’s never any depth, never any meaning, that everything is shallow.

the greatness of Fallout is the only reason they got away with that fucking shitty PART 1 last year

and what everyone held on to thinking PART 2 would be, instead it was just a huge fucking pile of shit

If they had condensed part 1 and 2 into a single movie it'd be perfect and actually interesting. Have the entity not be an ai but a weaponized program used by some country that has infected multiple systems and lost control. The scene where the president is told to make a sacrifice of an American city before launching the missile was great and showed that in another situation it could have even used as the stakes in a standalone film. They tried to do too much and failed.

had pretty much no humor.

But that's wrong. I can name several humorous moments right now just off the top of my head.

Walker getting immediately struck by lightning during the HALO jump

Walker smashing the laptop on decoy Lark's head

The zesty French boys thinking Ethan and Walker are having a bathroom orgy

Hunt LARPing as John Lark in general

Luther saying he's too fat to mask up as Solomon Lane

Benji having his tablet on 2D while guiding Ethan to chase Walker

Ethan interrupting the church service and having no idea who is even chasing him at that point

Benji accidentally tagging the X-ray machines

Ethan cursing out Walker once he catches up to his helicopter

always without substance

Those aren't without substance, though.

Like, it’s always the same criticism

You ever consider that it's because it's accurate.

Everyone's calling that tree green. They must have seen some e-celeb say it.

Again, this sounds like projection to me. I have been shitting on this movie and dead reckoning since I've seen them because I don't like them. I never have seen a review or eceleb do it either. I did it even when it wasn't popular to do so. It still isn't and it gets pushback because people do not like new things to be criticized. It threatens their worldview of a myth of progress.

I dont watch mission imsloppable since the 2nd or 3rd?

DR, FR, and Sinners are terrifying, it's cliche to say America is constantly dumbing down, but the positive reception to these movies, that millennial audiences cannot differentiate between DR/FR and Fallout in terms of competence and structure, or Sinners from FDTDawn or Lost Boys, both of which it loots from, is point of no return shit.

You listen to Cruise and the director discuss FR, they lock in on the importance of screenwriting and "character," how they bonded around mastering the craft of a crowdpleaser of spycraft precision, it's totally fucking ludicrous. It's three hours of point A to B to F to B Macguffins that may as well be referred as to Macguffins on screen, it's sub vidya tier writing. Fallout excelled because Cruise finally began to color in the team, not as much as required for a 6th movie, but the formula aligned, the stakes were bruising, the subcurrent of death made the action kinetic, the helicopter sequences are light and heavy. DR and FR tossed everything out, they are literally painful torture to sit through, and that he hypes them as hyper complex endeavors, Ethan Hunt is a complete void to end, into which he's pushed insane resources, money, and audience goodwill. Does he realize how atrociously dull and algorithmic DR and FR are? It is cult-like these two times. It's like when Steven Segal does martial arts demos in Russia, or if Kojima shitted out Metal Gear in North Korea.

And actually I want to add I was rooting for this movie to be good initially. I normally like MI movies. The last one was just so incredibly amazingly bad that it is mind boggling. The critical reviews being positive at the same time make it even more strange. I find the contrast interesting.

the cringy line where she equates him not being able to start the car after they crash to his dick not being able to get hard

Insane amounts of projection.

w-what, you don't speak like a tranny and don't hecking enjoy post modernist judaism? Y-you must be low IQ

Back to sipping your söylent

How many hairs left in your head, numale?

DR, FR, and Sinners are terrifying, it's cliche to say America is constantly dumbing down, but the positive reception to these movies, that millennial audiences cannot differentiate between DR/FR and Fallout in terms of competence and structure, or Sinners from FDTDawn or Lost Boys, both of which it loots from, is point of no return shit.

Well said. I too find it very odd. I could not understand how people couldn't "see" that Dead Reckoning was so amazingly bad. It even had the highest rating on imdb after it came out. I see it as a type of mass insanity or blindness. Either that or there is some deep corruption in the review system or both.

The zesty French boys thinking Ethan and Walker are having a bathroom orgy

Literally the only slightly humorous scene, and is played as them being a nuisance.

What the fuck happened to Cruise? Did he get brain damage? How does he go from Fallout/Maverick to robotic retardation?

This happened a lot after "Covid". There was some sort of spiritual transformation all over the world, a divide. Either people went along with it or they didn't. Just a theory. I don't really know. It wasn't just Cruise though.

Reminder that this board lost its shit over utter slop like the Minecraft movie, Barbie, Oppenheimer and Mario Bros.
A generic action movie takes a dump on the utter trash this place slurps.

There was some sort of spiritual transformation all over the world, a divide. Either people went along with it or they didn't.

The kind of utter non sense that the shitskins of Anon Babble love spouting
Covid was a glorified caugh.
Fucking wish it had been a Black Death 2, that at least would have warranted the way people reacted to it.

Ok you read into what I said all sorts of assumptions that weren't there. Why bother?

Don't mind me, just posting the movie's best side character.

Would unironically watch a spinoff.

relax you sperg. they give good reviews in exchange for access to future preview screenings. that's all there is to it.

that's all there is to it.

Clearly it's not. What about IMDB scores? What about regular people treating them as if they are more of the same. I partly agree, though. I think it's review corruption, but it's much more extensive than you imply.

I didn't love the movie but I loved that they finally had a character who was fully down to help Ethan with his bullshit plans and doesn't hold him back or doubt him in any way

glorified

reacted

That's what anon criticized, you absolute mong.

Those aren't without substance, though.

But even if they are, there's never a valid point made beyond a "it feels like" or is something completely valid just because someone said they felt it was bad? Again, it's a complete lack of thought.

You ever consider that it's because it's accurate.

A whole bunch of people spitting out the same opinion with no foundation or attempt at understanding and where each take is just like the last doesn't make it true. I'll repeat what I said: the criticisms barely hold up when you actually watch the movie. Anons have already said it in previous threads: the critiques are completely out of proportion, they're critics' whims turned into truth.

Everyone's calling that tree green. They must have seen some e-celeb say it.

With this movie it's not exactly that, but what I’m saying is there's already a whole hive mind that thinks like this, regurgitating what someone presented as a "valid" critique just because it sounds good, and because it rejects and reduces a popular, studio-made film like this one.
There’s no problem with hating Dead Reckoning or Final and your opinion being just "I don’t like it, period" that’s valid. But when people try to pit those popular negative takes against critiques that genuinely try to understand a movie, it's always easier to go with the simple opinion. And when those easy critiques want to (and intend to) present themselves as the only take that matters, I say that’s not okay, it practically invalidates them.

and also

I did it even when it wasn't popular to do so.

see? "watch ME hate on this movie, its a big studio film and I hate it, im right everyone wrong rhaaaaaa"

Anon Babble is the same as Anon Babble, they will shit on 6/10 stuff but then worship cancerous trash that no one with an IQ above 70 would tolerate.

The thing is you fags also go

LE COVID CHANGED LE WORLD

When no one even remembers it

I watched it today. It was okay, I was disappointed that the guy that was hunting Ethan in Part 1 didn't have much of a presence. I'm a sucker for that kind of dynamic. I feel like it would have been better if it had a real mask pull moment instead of subverting it, and an action scene earlier in the movie. Also, the absence of the White Widow character was felt.

Also, look at how what I’m trying to explain is happening right now in this thread this dumbass heard those critiques of Sinners right here on this board, on Twitter because it was said there too, or maybe on some TikTok, and now supposedly is the canon opinion. Or he convinced himself of that because he heard it on the internet, and now anyone who thinks differently and tries to find something deeper or meaningful is stupid just because they don’t share the same opinion he got from the wave of negative takes online.

it was okay. had some issues:

all the callbacks was nauseating

ran everywhere for long periods yet showed no signs of being tired, sweating, etc.

how did luther get sick?

what happened to his wife?

swam like a quarter mile underwater, in the arctic and came back out alive

his team did nothing but to tell him how awesome and capable he is. hunt became a gary stu since mi 4

paris was largely useless. faust died for nothing

"I have the last parachute!" proceeds to grab a spare parachute

the entity can talk to ethan, but doesn't for 99% of the movie.

too many characters, not enough for them to do

entity wants to bomb the world and when asked what it plans to do afterwards it gets glossed over

gabriel is underdeveloped as a villain

now supposedly is the canon opinion

Where did you get that from? Nowhere did he say that in his post? Again, I think you are projecting a bit. Do you perhaps pay attention to eceleb reviews of films?

see? "watch ME hate on this movie, its a big studio film and I hate it, im right everyone wrong rhaaaaaa"

Which is it then? On one hand you are saying it's unoriginal and copied from e-celebs even though ecelebs are more known for fake positivity and liking anything new. But then on the other when I claim it's not that, it's oh it's just you and it's prideful or something to have my own opinion. Well, which is it?

muh cope

How many jabs did you take, faggot? If you don't see it as a sign of things to come then you are clearly a mental midget.

Will forever be pissed off about Ilsa. Rebecca never asked to be killed off, she just wanted to leave for some. Instead, she got a poorly choreographed fight scene where she got shoved into the fridge by a retiree in a dinner jacket. It's painfully obvious that the decompression chamber scene (and every other emotional scene shared between Grace and Ethan) should have had Ilsa in her place.

Some of these I can adress.

what happened to his wife?

She married another man and has a happy life. They pretty much wrapped up that plot in Fallout.

"I have the last parachute!" proceeds to grab a spare parachute

Like said, he said he was wearing a parachute, not that it was the last one. He probably expected Ethan to fall before getting to it.

the entity can talk to ethan, but doesn't for 99% of the movie.

It could only talk to him in the high-tech coffin they found.

entity wants to bomb the world and when asked what it plans to do afterwards it gets glossed over

Wait for a new stronger society to rise from the ashes.

He needs to work with better directors.

The franchise died with her, pretty much in the exact same second.

She loses to a knife-wielding opponent when she had a sword.

It would've been one thing if Gabriel was really aggressive and the one who closed distance on her, but in the fight itself, Ilsa is the main one getting closer to Gabriel instead of staying out of his range (when she doesn't have to) and consistently twirling and showing her back to him like how the Jedi constantly do in the prequel trilogy, and let's not forget the first time that she tried to do that move, it was while she had her sword in hand and could have simply used that to score another cut on Gabriel, fatal or not.

And this doesn't even factor in the multiple weird cuts in the fight. There's a minimum of two violations of the 180 degree rule, or Gabriel and Ilsa teleporting to two totally different marks between shots. You have to really slow it down in order to understand what are the editing issues, but you don't have to slow it down at all to notice some cuts that are utterly jarring.

And all of this was facilitated because Grace chose to run away from Ethan, who has once again been only keeping her away from danger, even after she left him for dead on the train tracks, even after he specifically told her to stay where he can see her. Ilsa only goes after Gabriel to save Grace. This does not happen if Grace doesn't run from Ethan, or if she even decides to simply run from Gabriel instead of engage this much larger enemy in a knife fight using his knife.

So it's inarguable that Grace is why Ilsa gets in the confrontation that gets her killed, in addition to Ilsa mainly losing because she suddenly loses all her established competence and fighting prowess, and yet right after this scene*, before we've even had time to properly grieve this incredible loss with the characters--inarguably the greatest single loss this team has faced in these movies--suddenly, Grace is now being welcomed into Ethan's team with open arms, and to add insult to injury, Ethan and Grace are strongly hinted at having a mutual romantic interest in each other. Ethan is clearly interested in *Grace, this self-centered coward he just met, who is literally the reason why Ilsa is dead.

"Blemish" is an understatement of how absolutely botched this entire plot point was. In one fell swoop, the franchise lost its best female character--perhaps even its best character, period--it was right after Ilsa dropped back into the story despite having absolutely no reason to be there after the desert village sequence in which she is supposed to have faked her death--it was facilitated by incredibly poor choreography, it was done to save the life of an incredibly unlikable character whose presence at this point in the story was already forced, and then the characters quickly moved on as the audience was expected to, as if Ilsa Faust did not matter in the first place, as if there wasn't any particular reason she was as beloved by the fanbase as she is, which amplified the sensation that said incredibly unlikable character was effectively replacing Ilsa's role in the series, both as an ally of Ethan Hunt's, as well as even a love interest, and frankly, Ethan's character is the most prominent casualty of collateral damage. I find his ill-placed fondness for Grace not charming, but revolting, especially in the context of what happened to Ilsa because of Grace.

I never trot this word out, and would never have imagined I would use it about something that was created by the same people behind Rogue Nation and Fallout--but Ilsa's disposal and replacement reeks of misogyny. Any other movie or show with a male-dominated cast that would have gotten rid of a prominent female character and then immediately filled in her role with a new female character would be getting put on blast as being misogynistic, and those people would have a fair point.

Rebecca asked to leave, but she never asked for Ilsa to be killed off- and that shows when she gets asked about it in interviews. She tries to sound nice about the whole thing, but seems to be very disappointed in how it all went. To use wrestling terminology, it feels like punishment booking. Rebecca Ferguson couldn’t commit, told them so, the creative team acted like “we made you” and killed off Ilsa in an anti-climactic way to undercut the meaning of the character to the series.

Cruise and Michael B. Jordan have just been cast in Miami Vice from the Top Gun Maverick director. Formal announcement later this summer.

This is a $1 billion blockbuster to be sure.

Source?

This

At least we got a good shot of Grace's breasts in the decompression scene.

Time to fuck up Crockett and Tubbs round 2

Still mad at Michael Mann?

Well no, since he had a hand in the series which is timeless

Great more reboots.

I was expecting Ethan to dive and grab Gabriel's body and use his parachute

They shouldn't have had Cavill's character killed. He should be the one behind the Entity and killing Ilsa if they were really going in that way

Yea he was really good and the 3 divers were also neat

previous runs were justified

running between building in urban areas

MI DRII runs were kinda retarded

run for everything even if it's faster to use a vehicle or byke

Tom Cruise is an awful actor.

My mom told me so after I refused to move out at 30 yo.

t. 40 yo

I think the most disappointing part of the movie for me was past luther dying there never really was any consequences, at least from Hunt's actions.
Nobody else on his team died and despite everyone telling him destroying the entity would cripple the world everything seems to just go back to normal after he does it.

They were entirely justified. What does she mean she can't commit? They are right, they did make her career when she was a C-lister at best barely booking period dramas and Tom took her and made her a Hollywood star, her trajectory skyrocketed after Rogue Nation and she's telling them she can't commit for one more movie to do some other crap like that Chris Pratt movie she's got going on? Bullshit, she should be on her hands and knees for them. She has no right to demand anything of Tom and McQ and expect them to abide. That said, it would've been better off if they had made a fake-out of some sort or never bothered to include Ilsa at all since her involvement was contrived anyway.

As for my thoughts on the movie as a whole? It's definitely not the last MI movie, not by a stretch. They only did that gimmick and titled it that as a bit of a desperate plea for people to come see this one after Dead Reckoning. Tom's been doing these movies for 30 years, you think he's going to stop now? Pff, no way.

Also, if you never trot that word out anywhere, why blow your load here when it's not applicable? Rebecca was difficult to the two people who made her and ruining their plans for a two-parter and she only made them aware of this halfway through the shot? Also, if she was so against it and adamant that she wants to keep going but not be in the next one, why agree to do MI7 at all? She agreed to do the death scene, too. So, she can kick rocks...

she's telling them she can't commit for one more movie to do some other crap like that Chris Pratt movie she's got going on?

Rebecca had Dune: Part Two coming up and was now producing and starring in Silo.

Rebecca was difficult to the two people who made her and ruining their plans for a two-parter and she only made them aware of this halfway through the shot?

McQuarrie was already planning on killing her as far back as when he and Cruise were finishing up Maverick. You're blaming non-existent unprofessional behavior to cover for a bad writing decision.

left impression on me as just okay but after a day, i started searching for what to watch next and realized, well everything is such a fucking garbage that toms ok movie is actually pretty good, i mean overall everything was high quality, i just think that it was not that well put together and if the main bad guy were some over the top russian that were to show up at the half of the movie in a sub lets say and tom thinks he killed him and he keeps coming back and they have final scene instead of that mexican, movie would unironically be great, but what can you do

And your case that she was done dirty and didn't agree and got it over with was that she may or may not have looked a little displeased when asked about it in an interview. Not a solid case there, bud. I'm just saying, the movie was always a two-parter when they were agreeing with people to be in it and she knew that and wanted to opt out in the middle of it. If she thought Cruise and McQ would just fuck up their plans just to suit her, she is crazy. Then again, the movie "flopping" pretty much threw a wrench in the works anyway so maybe this whole debacle (if there is one) was null and void.
Loyalty in Hollywood (especially when you're riding high on someone else's wings) is invaluable. She either could've done it or never agreed to come back for either of the two movies. She wanted half-in, half-out.

Why even include them in the team? They did nothing.

I can agree for the blackie but you really would want Pom out of the movie? That's crazy. Just the nip slip in the prison escape scene was worth the price of admission.

I liked Hayley's boobs jiggling when she was reviving Tom

I still don't like it, and I never will.

1 and 2 didn't until Jar Jar Abrams came in and ruined the franchise with Simon Pegg

What happened to the White Widow? She didn't die in the last one so why exclude her from this? Let me guess, the Britbitch who played her wanted a piece of the Marvel pie?

1 and 2

Yes, they did. The Aussie helicopter pilot was the proto-Benji.

It wasn't even a nip, it was a full tit.

Ghost protocol, rogue nation, and fallout were the peak of the series.

I didn't say I did but with that in mind, I get it. Plus, they had to add in drama and stakes and she was the obvious call for that. Honestly, you should be more pissed about them teasing Ethan's past in MI7 and then ignoring it altogether in MI8. They gave the actress who played Ethan's past lover a character poster, for fuck's sake.

Vanessa Kirby filmed scenes for it-- she was just cut out of the movie, nothing to do with Marvel.

They cut her scenes.

Someone needs to keep track of how many franchises he or his cronies like Lindelof have ruined directly or indirectly. The negative influence he's had is incredible.

I'm just as pissed about that. It's not mutually exclusive, after all.

Indeed. That guy complaining about Paris' role in the movie, as if that even matters when her purpose is to be an extra team member on its own and to obviously be pleasing to look at, must veer off on the fruity side of the forest.

I'll apologize if my posts seemed a little bit aggressively shutting what you were saying, my man, but I can tell you care about this franchise just as much as I do. It's a shame that complications just didn't allow for this epic two-parter to come to fruition properly but maybe it's better this way. They've blown their load with the stunt pieces in high-concept plots so maybe this allows for them to take a step back and think about how to revitalize the franchise which, let's be honest, is not ending anytime soon, even IF Tom were to step away from it due to his deal with Warners. I think they either make a reboot of the original TV series format or keep the movies going in a lower volume with a more restrained tone.

What a waste. The more I think about MI8, the more frustrated I become. I wish Tom had chosen to postpone it so he can work it out better but I guess it was too late for that.

Got back from the movie about an hour ago. It was ok. Entity and Gabriel were shit villains though and the movie was incredibly cliche even for Mission:Impossible standards.

I felt it did have me on the edge of the seat constantly. No dull moments. The entire submarine sequence was kino, and really well filmed. The plane sequences were alright as well. Though some stupid parts such as the man and the wife making that run in 10 seconds.

Those two shouldn't have been as much of a part of the plot as they were. Yeah, we get it, it's the guy no one really remembers from the first movie and he's back now and whatnot. After they leave the Arctic, there's no real reason they should still be in the movie.

Yeah. Strill, neat to have him return, i suppose. I also feel the "entity" being mentioned so much felt a little..Dull? And would've felt it would have interfered more with electronics, made fake calls and what not. I guess that's why the president did the VHS video, but nontheless.

Anyone else thought they'd dare to kill Ethan in this moment?

They should've given the AI a real name besides the Entity like Skynet. But then again, they did call a syndicate of criminal operatives....the Syndicate. Clearly, Tom isn't fussed over how he names things.

It's what they wanted us to think. But was the handshake they did implying they did actually work together the entire time? Or more of a "I was wrong, you were right" ?

I felt it did have me on the edge of the seat constantly

Literally how? You know Ethan is going to make it out of any scenario. I was hoping since it's the supposedly last MI film that they would kill him off but no. Everyone lives. At no point where any of them in actual danger because the main villain is an absent AI and his henchman is pathetic and only manages to kill off Luther because he decided to go investigate a bomb lol. It was pathetic.

that ending is kinda i dont get it, like, why not just destroy the thing they wanted to for last two movies, instead they give it to him and he is like new thanos or shit

Yes, i knew. But it still made me do it, because the sequences were so well done. And i feel that's a good accomplishment when you know the outcome, but you are still unsure, if that makes sense.

More so i thought Luther actually would show up at the end, due to the quote he did just before he passed.

They didn't linger on it to have us think that, it goes by a little too fast but glad they didn't have Kittridge just kill Ethan out of spite like that even if it would've suited his character. I believe it was him forgiving Ethan for killing his father who he didn't want to believe was a traitor.

Yeah, that's a good point

The implication is not that he will use it but that he will keep it to himself so no one ever uses it.

they did call a syndicate of criminal operatives....the Syndicate.

This was what they named it back in the 60s show. They weren't fussed either. It's a cute reference.

but why? did not they want to destroy it last two movies, WHY would he keep it if not to become thanos, it really makes no other sense besides ( ok we trust him to keep this in case anything similar happens we will summon Ethan Thanos )

I don't know, could they just fucking step on it and that's it? Probably not, so he keeps it away somewhere where only he knows and never uses it because they did establish Ethan believes that it's immoral for anyone to have the power but his look when he saw inside the box was a little tempted. Who knows, we'll see if they make MI9 and continue this plot..

I actually thought for a moment they were going to do something dumb like have him throw it into the river thames or something lol

when the last one flopped i expected them to really up the ante to draw audiences back by having the entity either be an ayylmao or create a terminator army, something ethan has never faced, thus actually mission impossible, and generally acclimate the franchise into tech noir or cryptozoological action sci-fi. the franchise needed a boost, it needs a genre injection, i'd like to see the ninth movie be rated r where operatives get killed and they soon learn the big bad isn't human and is a fucking insane mastermine monster trying to take over the globe like the thing by john carpenter

*Last movie. The Entity wasn't in Fallout.

Cruise said he's making at least three more, earlier today.

>I still don't know from where Ethan got another parachute

there is always a back up on every pack

I think Tom should just set the series back to what it was in the original TV show and the first three movies. An anthology of sorts where he's the main link, like how Bond movies used to be. No overaching plotline, no two-parters, no recurring characters aside from Tom. I would also love the paranoic thriller aesthetic of MI3 to return, with a harder and darker edge. It's due time for that given the BO performance of the last two movies. People are too wise to Tom and McQ's schticks and don't like them.

Damn. Did she shit on Scientology or sumthin? She was heavily hyped last go round. That's cold af. Better hope F4 is a hit because when you go against Cruise you cannot win. She'll be in mom-daughter made for Tubi flicks until she's 60 now.

She has two movies out for release. One has all US studios not wanting to go near it and the other is a Marvel movie (in 2025) that will bomb. She should've gotten a new agent.

hear me out
what if this is the setup for AI Ethan
he does the stunts in the cyberspace

a Marvel movie (in 2025) that will bomb

look at box office predicter over here

It will. Jurassic World and Superman will obliterate it.

This. Another anon said The Entity should have 3D-printed Cavill as a biodrone. This would have freaked Ethan out. Cavill was badass so if he was resurrected as even crazier, asses in seats most definitely

flashbacks and retcons

muh entity what was the point of fueling civil unrest in the world through information manipulation if the plan all along has been to nuke civilization back to stone age, why wait 2 months to do it

pretty much the entire cast just stares at the camera and repeats the "mission" so that even a retard could remember it, they do this multiple times

gabriel death, the fight itself and action here was insanely kino but the ending is just dumb

saw it the other day and I would say most of the general complains about this movie are 100% valid but I still kinda liked it mainly for the action
I guess the first part bombing kinda forced them to maybe rewrite things quickly and it all turned out into a mess in the final product
anyone seriously thinks this is the last one? they will milk the franchise for as long as they can with or without cruise
and don't get me that >he's a le face of the franchise reply, just look at john wick, they whacked the dude and shitting out a tv series and a spinoff
you will watch mission impossible: final dead recoking part 1/3 and you will be happy

they literally say "final reckoning" like 4 times in the movie.

rumor is spreading on twitter

It's not the last one in the series. No way. But what they will do, anon, is reboot the IP in its original form: a TV show. Doing a movie without Tom (who's gone for good and is over at Warner Bros) would be insanely bad business so they contend with doing a show like the 60's version and put it on Paramount Plus or Showtime. Moreso Homeland/The Americans than action extravaganza. I'd love it, personally.

I thought Dead Reckoning was awful, is this movie really worse?

It was just for time. Her role was basically one scene to give Ethan the tip that Gabriel was at that party at the beginning of the movie and establish that she now believes he is only one who can kill the Entity as well. Maybe a flash appearance at the end.

It's better than DR, but still not Rogue Nation/Fallout levels of good again.

who's gone for good and is over at Warner Bros

qrd?

It's better than DR

It's not, though.

Thank you. It's fine. And yes, I do, so very much.
I would like an M:I-9 to wrap it all up once and for all. New team set-up, alive Ilsa (she never gets mentioned in TFR at all, there's room for a fake death retcon desu), definitive Ethan retirement, they run away together like she asked him to all those years ago.

That beautiful moment in Rogue Nation really is destroyed and stripped of value in retrospect, isn't it? What a shame. I think Tom just doesn't want to let go of this franchise and admit he's wrong with his decisions. Sadly, that leaves Ilsa dead forever and for good. Love the guy but you can tell he's stubborn when it comes to MI. I think a MI9 is off the table. Cruise is too busy; the profits just aren't there to justify it and it'd be far more viable to just reboot the original TV series for streaming where they can actually make a serious profit as long-form streaming shows are 10x more profitable and more popular with audiences these days than feature length movies. What do you say about that? I'm down.
Things soured with Paramount and he's mainly at Warner Bros now. He signed an exclusivity deal to produce and star in movies for them, leaving little room for MI9.

Cruise already shot down studio suggestions that he spinoff Mission and Top Gun into streaming series. He said absolutely not, and it will *never* happen. He owns the Mission IP.

Well, at least she's still alive in our hearts, as cheesy as that sounds. Thank god for fanfic writers.

He does not, that is false and stupid to say. Paramount does and they're free to do whatever they want with it now that Cruise is over at a rival studio. He helped develop the movies with his production company and that's it. He does not own the intellectual property.
Never roamed in that realm. You got any good ones to numb the pain?

Anything and everything by ilsafausts (phoenix_cry), thalius, serenesummer, sapphicsummers, and torreyana on AO3.

Great recs. Loved serenesummer's "something true".

How does a movie this expensive just forget about its script saying the Internet was destroyed?

when I squinch with my eyes like Cruise I just look retarded.

pls help me Anon Babble

I watched Fallout tonight and realised that Ethan was actually the bad guy in that movie. The villain was going to kill everyone in China, India and Pakistan and Ethan stopped them.
I don't think audiences have ever forgiven them.

How did you forget that Luther's solution would leave systems intact, just purging the Entity out of them?

Nicholas Hoult

Thank god they changed it

Honestly, I felt the movie was spinoff-baiting with both Briggs/Phelps Jr. and Marine Milchick.

None, in fact I caught corona like 4 times in the first few months and infected my entire family, and guess what? Nothing happened.
It's just you spastics are desperate to pretend life isn't boring and uneventful as fuck

I think Dead Reckoning was way better and is probably my favorite MI movie, but this was a decent conclusion.

Both 6 and 7 get massive massive points for basically be Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4 in live action. Gabriel is Ocelot / Liquid Snake. The plots are incredibly similar. The Entity is the Patriots. Even though it's just copying a video game it's still a way more interesting hook than the villains of 1-5 so these rock in my opinion.

GOD CRUISE

>Gabriel didn’t exist. Male Paris played by Nicholas Hoult was the main villain alongside the Entity.

>Degas didn’t exist. Grace was Briggs’s partner who changes sides and had no romance with Ethan since Ilsa wasn’t supposed to die. Also Briggs being Phelps’s son was revealed right away.

>The general plot structure was White Widow gala in Rome > Orient Express heist > Sevastopol rescue > Big finale at the Doomsday Bunker in Africa.

This all sounds so much sharper than what we have.
It's a shame.

Would've easily put this film on the level of Fallout or Rouge Nation.

Fallout and Rogue Nation were both dull as shit, Ghost Protocol and Dead / Final Reckoning mog them

Pretend like you're looking at a distant explosion, that's how Hollywood stars do it.

Why? Would've been better. I like the Gabriel guy but he's very one-note. Moreso a helper of the villain than the villain himself.
Shame. McQ and Tom just dropped the ball.
No, they are not. Your only point of reference for the themes and ideas in MI7/8 being video games is hugely embarrassing. Are you 12?

Entity was tricked to "escape" into a bottle, leaving the internet infrastructure alone

Why was Ethan chasing Gabriel's plane for, again? Gabriel inserting the drive would have accomplished the same thing.

He would have done that like, hours or days later, just after the world became ashes from the nuclear holocaust

I don't remember them establishing that. Gabriel would have died along with everyone else being up there in the plane when the bombs fell. Remember, this was the original plan until Kittridge interrupted. But suddenly Tom has to chase because ??

Pure kino, Tom does it again, I kneel

He was flying just above the place where the entity was going to take shelter, of course it wouldn't have nuked its own place

Why could they never decide whether Ethan was better than Gabriel in a fight or not? It just kept flip-flopping and inconsistent. And why does Gabriel say pretentious shit all the time like HE'S an AI? It was cringe larping, guy honestly thought he was a fucking robot or an anime character I don't fucking know. Lamest villain of the franchise. Even Phillip Seymour Hoffman's fatass couch potato was more sinister.

Ethan's original plan was to give Gabriel the podkova so he would unite it with the poison pill, unwittingly allowing the team to trap the Entity in the 5G drive. When Kittridge intervened and Gabriel tried to escape with the poison pill in order to find another way to force Ethan to give him to podkova, Ethan had to give chase because they had little time to unite the two before the Entity launched all the nukes.

He was speaking for the AI in the first movie, he's just cringe in the second one.

Why could they never decide whether Ethan was better than Gabriel in a fight or not?

I think Ethan was clearly the superior fighter, he trounced Gabriel every time they went 1v1.

eh but ilsa was a better fighter than ethan then gabriel beat her 1v2 didn't he

ilsa was a better fighter than ethan

Was she, though? They never really fought 1v1.

fight scene to evade torture

fight in the cabin with the russians

underwater stunts

mini chase scene in the tunnels

biplane stunts

Way too little action set pieces for a nearly 3 hour spy action movie.

MI would be a better franchise if they kept the same IMF team throughout the entire franchise

Reminder that in the early development of MI3, Cruise hired David Fincher to direct and Fincher was going to make a more grounded story inspired by 70s thrillers. Cruise and the studio got cold feet and scrapped this in favor of Abrams and more action

Wow, it might have been a somewhat better world maybe if Abrams never got his foot in the door in the movie industry. He had Lost, sure, but maybe in an alternate timeline his nefarious influence could have been contained to television.

screenrant.com/tom-cruise-mission-impossible-3-david-fincher-explained/

She was Ethan in female form. Ethan beat Gabriel's ass on top of the train. She should have easily beat him, but the script demanded for her to die to a retiree in a dinner jacket way smaller and so than any previous opponent of hers.

An anon further up went on a rant about why it made zero sense.

When you put it like that, do you mean his equal?

Obviously, unless you're an idiot.

Just saw it in IMAX, and I've got three words, chud: Grace's MOMMY MILKERS

MI would be a better franchise if they kept the same IMF team throughout the entire franchise

They kinda did that with Luthor and Simon, but yeah it should've been way more consistent.
In another world maybe Renner's character stayed and got developed more, it's a shame he just drops out of the storyline.
Also would've been nice for any of the women before Ilsa to stay for multiple films. It was weird that Ethan never really had a love interested after 3 since Julia is relegated to what are essentially cameos.

There's Ilsa, but the romance between them is kept very subdued. I actually love how they did it, NGL.

he has to take a break from mcq, or let mcq do something more personal like a smaller scale operator kino

Get the John Wick or Extraction director

That's unfortunate because I thought the last one was disappointing, so if this is worse than that sucks.

god no, you're a tasteless moron

Dead Reckoning was way better

Really? I thought Dead Reckoning was the least interesting of the whole series. They walk around the airport, there is a car chase the joke car, there's the little alley fight, and then they do some Uncharted stuff on the train. Pretty tame for one of these movies.

This one has even less interesting setpieces.

Dead Reckoning got pretty fun eventually but was held back by

Weird intro scenes after the first one like everyone finishing each other's sentences as they exposit to the camera

Making Ilsa and Grace turbo retarded for 5 minutes so that Ilsa can die

Tom Cruise's line delivery which I can only describe as "constantly expecting the credits to roll after any given scene"

I plan to see this movie tomorrow and have higher hopes since DR generally got better as it went along

Maybe, but the submarine dive and airplane chase alone make the movie a more memorable watch

the submarine and plane are both worth price of admission

if this is the last one in the series, cruise has earned the right to do whatever he wants, it's been 30 years

tom cruise is a retard
the series is supposed to be about a regular agent being put into impossible situations rather than an agent looking for impossible situations to get into, which is what most of the later movies felt like
only good one was m:i 3 because it was grounded and personal

I did not care for the submarine dive.

It was total garbage, a 3/10 at best. Dead Reckoning was already bad and I'd sooner give that a 6 than this tedious disaster.