Anon Babble

philosophy, arthouse and classics

lowercase edition

qotd

If you were given a $1 mil budget, a year and your choice of actors, what film would you make?

hard mode

you can't launder the money to yourself or make a porno starring you.

Queen of Anon Babble

lowercase edition

If you say so
youtu.be/kdsG4NWOGkg

qotd

An abstract, Brakhagian short costing less than 5 grand, and then pocket the rest.

KINO ALERT!

EPIC RAP BATTLES OF Anon Babble HISTORYY!
ANDREI TARKOVSKY
VERSUS
ALBERT SERRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
BEGIN!

Yo I’m Tarkovsky, Soviet sage with the vision,
My frames hit like Stalker, creepin’ through your division.
Albert Serra, kid, your films drag like a curse,
Bored characters mopin’, no soul in your verse.
My Solaris shines, deep truths I unfold,
Your scenes ain’t majestic, just static and cold.
Nostalgia for art? Boy, you missin’ the mark,
Your plots so dull, they belong in the dark.

I Sacrifice time to roast you, yeah it’s true,
Your Catalan snooze-fests got no cinematic juice.
Slow pans, no passion, your films lack the spark,
I’m sculptin’ with light WHILE YOU'RE STUCK IN THE DARK!

Yo it’s Serra, the knight with no honour to spare,
Swingin’ swords in slow motion while you drown in despair.
Your “Sacrifice” was cute—so pious and dense,
But I piss on your mystics, I don’t deal in incense.
You sip “Nostalgia” like wine, cryin’ tears in the mist,
I film kings dying slow—that’s a realist twist.
Death of Louis XIV, no angels in sight,
Just bedpans, rot, and flickerin’ candlelight.
Your “Solaris” was therapy, a cosmonaut’s whine,
My “Story of My Death” got Casanova flatline.

You beg for transcendence, I embrace the obscene,
Got Jesus weepin’ while I shoot a fart scene.
So miss me with that sentimental gloom parade,
I’m the death of pretension, WATCH YOUR LEGACY FADE!

WHO WON?
WHO'S NEXT?
(you) DECIDE!

make a porno starring your mom

why the fuck are you letting this guy put philosophy (a subject which he knows nothing about btw) in the OP but throw a shitfit when i put cinematography in there???

Because you're fucking ANNOYING

because no-one "in the know" calls it cinematography.
it's lensing

Imagine typing this shit out. I hope it's copypasta

clussy dies tonight

dumb dingo kys

This is the thread.

QOTD

A hopeless incel close to roping gets a cute gf out of nowhere (Cailee Spaeny probably) and spends the film wondering if its a prank or a setup or she's trying to scam him. It becomes a cat and mouse game of trying to find her ulterior motive, i've pretty much written the screenplay. Won't spoil the ending.

Why didn't you wait until bump limit? Now we got split threads.

Sorry but I can't take 16mm films seriously. Therefore I can't take your thread seriously. I'll chill in the other one and if it dies will ignore Anon Babble until the next thread come along.

i'm not sure about the specifics but I would hire Albert Serra to "act" and instead get 100+ hours of footage of me sexually degrading him

But all jokes aside, what fuck was his problem?

gay

Forgot the pic.

Despite looking cheaper and more low-budget than Manor of Araucaima, it rocked. If you like films with a well-built atmosphere, or B-horror movies, go watch it.

almost 1 pm

havent watched any kino yet

i had an idea for a movie. It’s about a white house intern who gets roped into the plot to americanize the pope.

Few items i had sketched out;
He sees Trump as a mythical figure, Trump gets shark from Jaws treatment
He gets a hot gf who is catholic that eventually goes apeshit on him & ends up arrested/crazy
Lot of HD vance; basically story is about him stepping up to plate with the big boys that Vance runs

incorrigible

nigga???

So are you a doxastic voluntarist

there are some beliefs that i choose and other beliefs that i am forced to accept because of the beliefs that i choose

are you just describing a process that goes on with you being unable to accept that a belief that you don't like is true

if a belief that i don't like is rooted in a belief that i do hold then i am compelled to accept the belief that i don't like. i am not compelled to accept beliefs that i don't like that are not rooted in beliefs that i hold

The usefulness is not taken to be sufficient by the believers, but a proof of something beyond it.

well i misspoke. i meant they'll come up with a justification of divine origin but they really support it because they like it

Can't I just reject the principle of non-contradiction as not beneficial?

i don't have crisises of faith, i'm just describing it from the perspective of someone who does

Never have I heard of a solution to a crisis of faith amounting to "I choose X because it's more comforting and nothing more".

that is absolutely what happens every time

The core of my argument is a priori

ok if you're making arguments by basing them on objective truth, and not on beliefs unsupported by reason you personally hold, i would say that would be my definition of an empiricist.

The point is that the belief system would not bring about societal cohesion if it had no (real or imagined) reference to an intersubjective reality beyond it for the believer

i would say that some people yould see it as truth and others would see it as a noble lie

Time is a flat circle

/philm/ thought of the day - And GODard said: "let there be light", and there was light and it was good.

Good post

nigga???

My intuitions are responsive to reason to at least a certain extent and thus open to change.

there are some beliefs that i choose

What are some beliefs that you've chosen?

and other beliefs that i am forced to accept because of the beliefs that i choose

Do you accept the principle of non-contradiction, and if so, did you choose to accept it? If you accept it but didn't choose to accept it, what belief that that you chose does it follow from?

they'll come up with a justification of divine origin but they really support it because they like it

Right. So what do you make of people who, say, suppress or struggle to suppress certain powerful impulses (e.g. desire for fornication) in accordance with a religion in the absence of social pressure/fear of punishment?

that is absolutely what happens every time

Is it? What do you make of a person who derives immense comfort from his religion, but spurred to investigate its foundation somehow comes to find that he feels no reason to accept that it is true (and that there are reasons like anthropological and psychological arguments like the ones you're making that lead him to think that it's actually more actively dubious) and is pained by that but is nonetheless compelled to accept the conclusion?

my definition of an empiricist

Well, that's a pretty eccentric definition. Even then, as I said, my beliefs ultimately terminate in intuitions that while at least somewhat responsive to reason are not necessarily supported by it (they certainly antedate the reasons given in support of them even if I take them to draw further support from the arguments that I make).

i would say that some people yould see it as truth and others would see it as a noble lie

As would I, but a noble lie requires a core of genuine belief (even if that belief is that everyone else believes) and is thus vulnerable to a kind of "the Emperor has no clothes" scenario that I gestured to.

If you were given a $1 mil budget, a year and your choice of actors, what film would you make?

A Barbarella-Druuna type joint starring Bau.

*fear of non-divine punishment?

I love Rivette.
Your taste is mediocre.
No.
Not Dumontfag and you should die too you inbred mongrel.
Kys.
He was autistic about films but he made many kinos. Seemed like a chill guy.

What are some beliefs that you've chosen?

i am in favour of things that are good for me and others like me

If you accept it but didn't choose to accept it, what belief that that you chose does it follow from?

i am in favour of things that are good for me and others like me. non-contradiction is good for others like me, even if it is occasionally to my personal detriment

So what do you make of people who, say, suppress or struggle to suppress certain powerful impulses (e.g. desire for fornication) in accordance with a religion

i'd say they like the religion as a whole and so they follow the parts that they don't like out of respect to the religion

What do you make of a person who derives immense comfort from his religion, but spurred to investigate its foundation somehow comes to find that he feels no reason to accept that it is true

i'd call him someone who wasn't a true believer to begin with, if he lets other principles (such as truth or morality) override his belief

my beliefs ultimately terminate in intuitions that while at least somewhat responsive to reason are not necessarily supported by it

so you don't even believe that truth is necessary, so you have no point

a noble lie requires a core of genuine belief (even if that belief is that everyone else believes) and is thus vulnerable to a kind of "the Emperor has no clothes" scenario that I gestured to.

again, that would only affect some people, not everyone who supports that belief system. true belief is not necessary for a belief system to continue

Isn't this literal CP? Why is this allowed...

those were different times...

Why are you so angry

They should ban Nevermind by Nirvana as well, can't believe they'd promote unconsenting nudity like that

Alternate timeline where there's a national socialist uprising in the US during WW2 and the US allies with Germany in '39. Japan focuses its entire attention on Russia and China. Without lend lease from the US to Russia, Russia falls spectacularly to Germany. The US gives an ultimatum to the eternal anglos, join us or be invaded. The eternal anglo and his Jewish masters refuse peace. The US and Germany invade Great Britain, encountering little resistance. All jews and Churchill and shabbos goyim are all shipped to Madagascar. Madagascar is completely walled off and Jews have to deal with the locals and hunt/gather/farm their own food. Later this will be televised for entertainment/educational purposes. After GB joins NATSOC, total chink death occurs. Japan rape and pillage to their hearts extent while NATSOC takes over China for resources. The middle east is left alone, without Israel the land prospers. Africa is eventually colonized in mass. The world is now a utopia, a paradise.

Starring: No fucking idea because most hollywood actors are jews and trannies. Directed by John Boorman

total chink death occurs

There are too many nazi women with Asian husbands, the fantasy doesn’t even work.

So its legal if it was filmed a long time ago in a country that no longer exists? I'm just trying to understand the rules, for no particular reason.

QOD

I don't know but you can be sure there'd be lots of girls and guns in it.

Kino, can i be in it? I'll play the lead guy.

I won't even dare ask how you feel about super8 then.

Holy kino. Can i be in it too?

Hello american friend.

i am in favour of things that are good for me and others like me

Could you provide some examples? Do you struggle with the problem of error to the at least limited extent that some things that you believe to be good for you and those like you are only apparently so, by your own lights?

others like me

What constitutes a sufficient likeness between you and another? Does a similar problem of error to the first ever arise in the determination of who is sufficiently like you? Does your personal good ever conflict with the good of people that you deem to be like you and if so, how do you respond?

they follow the parts that they don't like out of respect to the religion

So what would you make of the hypothetical person telling you that his biggest motive in that is fear of divine punishment?

so you don't even believe that truth is necessary

Yes, I do. As I said, they're not incorrigible and I have given up many beliefs that I held unreflectively after reflecting on them.

that would only affect some people

No man is an island. Once doubt creeps in to a sufficient degree, believers (sincere or merely pretenders) will eventually be challenged (if the challengers aren't suppressed) with not only the simple "why do you believe X?" but "you profess Y, but don't you know that X and Y contradict each other?" and the like. If the response of the defenders of the faith to the challenge (beyond suppression) simply amounts to "guys, come on, just believe. Our system provides societal cohesion" the response from the other side is obvious: "what social cohesion? We disagree with the false old way and want a change and that change can provide social cohesion not merely in addition to, but because it is resilient to attacks by virtue of its truth."

It's not, it just contains child nudity. There's a big difference between pornography and nudity.

If I could change the world...

I keep saying it, because it keeps being true: this is your best work yet.

Holy kino. Can i be in it too?

QRD on you (physical description, experience, etc.)?

not really interested in debating or explaining my personal beliefs

So what would you make of the hypothetical person telling you that his biggest motive in that is fear of divine punishment?

i would suggest that he didn't believe in his religion then

the response from the other side is obvious: "what social cohesion? We disagree with the false old way and want a change and that change can provide social cohesion not merely in addition to, but because it is resilient to attacks by virtue of its truth."

i would say that any revolutionary or reformist movement motivated purely by pedantry is unlikely to be well-organised or effective

physical description

178cm, 60kg, dark brown hair, beautiful eyebrows (everybody says so), above average penis, puffy nipples, smile too much which is a problem because when you smile too much people think you're retarded, i'm willing to correct that.

experience

Directed and starred in a short when i was 17 that is completely lost to time (five people on surrealmoviez watched it in 2010), other than that, none. I should say i speak english with a heavy ESL accent also.

This should be shown in a gallery.

No evading this for the 100th time now: tell me why you won't be my friend in private
I'm speculating one of the following reasons:

you're a private person with no centralized chatting software

you're a VIP and don't want to associate your identity with Anon Babble

you're asocial

you hate me and you want me to die

It's just my whiny wish to be your mate. hotrats tutamail if you'd be okay with that

He's afraid of falling in love obviously.

I'm just trying to understand the rules

Then do you really think that film is fucking “pornography”? It obviously is not.

Now we’re getting somewhere…

CALL THE FBI RIGHT FUCKING NOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

I see. It was of course perfectly asexual and necessary for the plot. Are there any other examples of such films? Just to help me understand the distinction. I am passionate about learning.

i would suggest that he didn't believe in his religion then

Why? Where does that belief come from if not the religion? What's the essence of belief in a religion in your eyes?

i would say that any revolutionary or reformist movement motivated purely by pedantry is unlikely to be well-organised or effective

I'm not saying that their motives are exclusively some idealised pursuit of truth, only that their challenge amounts to exposing the old way as arbitrary, in contradiction with certain widely-held beliefs and unable to provide the unity it claims to as central to its justification. Do you think that the populace is just going to stand by (how did the uprising start?) and say "yeah, it's ultimately all arbitrary, man, but, I'm gonna stick with my religion just because it brings me comfort or something in spite of the fact that I know it's bullshit like you say and if the authorities conscript me to suppress your uprising then I'm gonna have to go along with it because I've made my bed and I have to lie in it or something" when the revolutionaries are precisely trying to argue with them from an at least partial common ground?

Yeah, "passionate about learning".

necessary for the plot.

Fuck off.

Cringiest gimmick since Dumontfag trying to convince everybody late Roeg is kino. Kys.

This guy is glowing.

These threads suck. I like the big lebowski

Where does that belief come from if not the religion?

well he doesn't believe that these things are immoral, he just obeys restrictions because he's afraid of divine punishment

only that their challenge amounts to exposing the old way as arbitrary

most revolutionaries only make arguments in terms of propaganda, the guys making these kinds of overly intellectual and pedantic arguments, whose main argument is one of hypocrisy rather than different values, never get much done

Then leave. Coen bros. are half a step above Marvel slop.

watch the siege and air america if you like roger deakins

I live in Hawaii and want to make a movie that has to do with night marchers. I was staying at a resort in hana on maui and was violently woken by voices chanting “KU…A’A” and it gave me an idea of a screenplay to write about jet ski fishing like i do but finding something that i shouldnt which starts a series of paranormal events. No major names just film students and locals.

Your father is chinese.

where the hell are you going to rent film equipment from in hawaii

From the mainland and ship it over.
Or just do the iPhone thing with attachments.

Or just do the iPhone thing with attachments.

lol

I live in Hawaii

I wish I was living in Hawaii. For all the things that Europe has going for it, like history, the climate is not it. 4 months of cold, 4 months of changing weather with lots of rain and 4 months of nice sunny weather. Bleh

well he doesn't believe that these things are immoral, he just obeys restrictions because he's afraid of divine punishment

Doesn't he? It doesn't seem to me that he has to be taken as saying "God's wrong, but I'm scared." The position seems to me to actually imply a resolve to change oneself inwardly too because God is all-knowing and commands not merely outward but inward submission) Also, how do you square that with what you said about belief in morals and God here ? and your statement about the nature of religious belief here ?

most revolutionaries only make arguments in terms of propaganda

Well that's just it: the truth is the best propaganda. The revolutionaries in this instance are saying both that the old way is bullshit and stands in the way of something better.

I love in Kawaii

Whats this from? I think I can jack off to it.

The position seems to me to actually imply a resolve to change oneself inwardly too because God is all-knowing

if he is afraid of divine punishment, and that is his motivation for FOLLOWING religion, then that suggests he doesn't FOLLOW his religion because he BELIEVES in his religion.

what you said about belief in morals and God here

talking about a different hypothetical

your statement about the nature of religious belief here

again, talking about a different hypothetical. different people follow/ believe religions for different reasons

the truth is the best propaganda.

lmao no it isn't, pandering to the beliefs of your audience, even if you obviously don't believe them, is the best propaganda

you're a private person with no centralized chatting software

Yes.

you're a VIP and don't want to associate your identity with Anon Babble

No.

you're asocial

Largely yes.

you hate me and you want me to die

Absolutely not.

Are you comfortable with Bau beating you up and belittling you?

I've been putting off watching this for years. I feel like I'll enjoy it but also feel that once it's done I've got nothing to keep as that one film you'll watch when the time is right.

What race are you

Based!!

Phoneposting from bed (I sleep naked btw hehe)
I gotchu Baubro. I'm a private person as well, and I honestly feel icky that my friends are on one centralized chatting platform. If it weren't for me feeling a moral obligation to keep in touch, I wouldn't use it either.

camera change

Question #2 of the day:
Would you rather molest a child or marathon the entire filmography of Sarah Gadon, with Gadonbro in the room next to you?

if he is afraid of divine punishment, and that is his motivation for FOLLOWING religion, then that suggests he doesn't FOLLOW his religion because he BELIEVES in his religion

I'd argue precisely the opposite. How can you be afraid of divine punishment without believing in a God that will punish you if you sin?

talking about a different hypothetical

But I can't see how it doesn't have bearing on this issue: you've drawn a distinction between believing in the ethical component of a religion and believing in a God and suggested that they can be in tension.

again, talking about a different hypothetical

Again, relevant insofar as you seem to be saying all religion is a ultimately rationalization aimed at social control in this world which would seem to render all talk about real vs sham religious believers to be null.

lmao no it isn't, pandering to the beliefs of your audience

Which is a large component of what I've said that they're doing, only that they're doing that by saying that a certain belief or group of beliefs held by the population in contradiction with the old way are in some sense better-justified or truer than the complete arbitrariness of the old way.

Watch it. You'll find another.

Stopmotion (2023).

Your father has been absent.

How can you be afraid of divine punishment without believing in a God that will punish you if you sin?

the point is that's not believing in the ideology and morality of religion

you've drawn a distinction between believing in the ethical component of a religion and believing in a God and suggested that they can be in tension.

well your new example is about someone who believes in god but doesn't believe in ethics, so the former has no bearing on the latter

all religion is ultimately a rationalization aimed at social control in this world

no, some people see it that way and some don't. we're now talking about someone who neither believes in religion as a tool and neither believes in it ethically. we're talking about someone who only follows religion because they believe that god will hurt them if they don't

only that they're doing that by saying that a certain belief or group of beliefs held by the population in contradiction with the old way are in some sense better-justified or truer than the complete arbitrariness of the old way.

well that has never been effective and never will be. on the contrary, liberals like you describe, will attack the effective revolutionaries for hypocrisy or failing to live up to moral values that they attack the ruling class for-the revolution is less important than the argument

the point is that's not believing in the ideology and morality of religion

My point is that I question that that's a meaningful distinction for the reason that I've given.

well your new example is about someone who believes in god but doesn't believe in ethics

I question precisely that he doesn't believe in ethics by virtue of fearing punishment for the reason given.

no, some people see it that way and some don't

You made the contrast in reply to my point that Muslims take the usefulness of their religion to be evidence for its truth and not itself a sufficient motive for belief apart from its truth.

well that has never been effective and never will be

I'm failing to understand the distinction you're making. What do you take pandering to the beliefs of the audience to be here? I don't think what I've described is in any way lofty. Their point is "why are you doing X, which is totally unjustified and against your interests when you could be doing Y, which is TRULY in line with your interests?" Explain your point about hypocrisy because it doesn't seem to be applicable to anything that I've said.

I question that that's a meaningful distinction

if you can't tell the difference between believing in ethics and following ethics because you believe god will kill you if you don't, there's no saving you

I question precisely that he doesn't believe in ethics by virtue of fearing punishment

ok let me restate this, what's the difference between believing murder is inherently wrong and believing god will punish you if you murder someone

You made the contrast in reply to my point that Muslims take the usefulness of their religion to be evidence for its truth and not itself a sufficient motive for belief apart from its truth.

word salad

Their point is "why are you doing X, which is totally unjustified and against your interests when you could be doing Y, which is TRULY in line with your interests?"

my point is that's unlikely to convince anyone with power unless it's completely trivial

I’m not reading all this shit

you're not missing anything, the /philm/ guy is just pedantic and slow

Tian Tian, the single mother of a five-year-old daughter, kills a drug dealer and is then pursued for vengeance. The only person she can turn to for help is her female cousin, Fang Di.

I liked the previous Vivian Qu movie, this one had poor reviews at Berlinale, but maybe it's a plebfilter or something.
t.me/isavebot?start=OpVZhHDqfi (no one fucking posting megas in telegram anymore, doing it through second hand bots that give you the file and shit cause of copyright strikes).
Cannot find any subs in open sources tho, there are subs on Avistaz tho, so maybe they'll get uploaded to opensubs soon.
Stranger Eyes also is up online, but I don't have a link for that.

You're still assblasted. I haven't even posted in this thread and I don't care for those guys' discussion. /philm/ is here to stay.

i wish it wasn't because y'all just dumb

You father sells Avon.

I’m the /philm/ guy. The two guys arguing are dumontfag and some other anon.

We're all assblasted here.

how the fuck can you not recognise me you dumb hater

Nice try but this isn’t my first rodeo. I’m a regular, I have seen these antics on Anon Babble many a time

Kek

the point is that it's obviously me, dingo, arguing with "dumontfag" or whatever, and owning him

if you can't tell the difference between believing in ethics and following ethics because you believe god will kill you if you don't there's no saving you

What does believing in ethics mean in the context of religion where an all-knowing, all-powerful God is a lawgiver? What does the belief that an all-powerful, all-knowing, law-giving God will punish you for violating his ethical laws imply? My point is that for one, you can't separate the ethical content of a religion from claims about God's nature, and two, that belief in God ultimately involves expectations about things that will happen and isn't just some kind of hermetically-sealed mental state that's chosen and held in the face of challenges completely arbitrarily.

my point is that's unlikely to convince anyone with power unless it's completely trivial

Really? Because you used very different words to say that. How is "pandering to the beliefs of your audience, even if you obviously don't believe them, is the best propaganda" not vulnerable to the same charge?

dingo

BODIED THAT FREAK

is Heil Hitler the most Anon Babble music video since The Story of O.J.?

You’re too new Dingo. Arguing with Dumontfag is the most newfaggy rookie mistake an anon here can do.

LET'S GO KNICKS

What does believing in ethics mean in the context of religion where an all-knowing, all-powerful God is a lawgiver?

it means believing in right and wrong independent of god's laws- which is christian doctrine, i might add

you can't separate the ethical content of a religion from claims about God's nature

you absolutely can lmao

that belief in God ultimately involves expectations about things that will happen

belief in god merely means belief that god exists

How is "pandering to the beliefs of your audience, even if you obviously don't believe them, is the best propaganda" not vulnerable to the same charge?

because it's not done aimed at the ruling class but at the masses
i'm beginning to understand this

Everyone accuses me of being some regular whenever I post and i'm just some guy who pops in from time to time. Take your meds fellas.

Unironically speaking, it's pretty much performance art. The Hitler speech sampled at the end goes crazy, and I saw a Hitler edit (lol) yesterday that was kinda hype. Nevertheless, the whole Ye meltdown of the last 2 weeks has been maybe the most obvious psyop I've seen in my whole life. The powers that be are desperate! They wanna play black against white, white against jew, nazi against non nazi, etc. Just ridiculousness.

the whole Ye meltdown of the last 2 weeks

I’m glad I have absolutely no fucking idea what you’re talking about

it means believing in right and wrong independent of god's laws- which is christian doctrine, i might add

Is it? Pretty sure that there are lots of Christians who accept some form of Divine Command Theory.

you absolutely can lmao

Cool. So what's the essence of religious belief? Then kindly address the crux of the argument that applies regardless.

because it's not done aimed at the ruling class but at the masses

The only person who's mentioned the ruling classes is you. I don't know why you took what I was saying to refer to just addressing the ruling class.

The only person who's mentioned the ruling classes is you

I was mistaken, strictly speaking , but the wider point still stands as far as I can see.

Although Christianity does not entail divine command theory, people commonly associate the two.

it is obviously untrue that christians only believe actions are moral if god orders it or immoral if god commands against it

So what's the essence of religious belief?

you can believe in the moral values of a religion and not believe in god, that's what liberalism is

I don't know why you took what I was saying to refer to just addressing the ruling class.

who else would be carrying out religious/ ideological doctrine???

it is obviously untrue that christians only believe actions are moral if god orders it or immoral if god commands against it

Is it? Pretty sure that there are lots of Christians who accept some form of Divine Command Theory.

you can believe in the moral values of a religion and not believe in god, that's what liberalism is

Sure. Not an answer to either of my questions, though.

who else would be carrying out religious/ ideological doctrine???

As I said here , everyday religious believers, for one.

Pretty sure that there are lots of Christians who accept some form of Divine Command Theory.

i would argue that they don't have a true understanding of christian morality then

Not an answer to either of my questions, though.

i'm refuting your point that "you can't separate the ethical content of a religion from claims about God's nature"

everyday religious believers

it's probably not a good idea to try to engage in an ideological debate with illiterate peasants

Afternoons of Solitude sucked. It's fucking Liberte all over again where Serra is indulging in repetetive bullshitn which he thinks is endlessly engrossing or something but it's not at all. Nothing special visually, the angles chosen look like a football match cinematography. And that's basically the movie, it's almost 2 hours of the main guy bullfighting. It's a documentary about him yet I do not know any more about him than I did before watching it. He is just a crazy adrenaline junkie like all bullfighters. There's nothing entertaining about this sport, it's retarded but Serra shoots it as we're supposed to fascinated with the subject matter by default. Spaniards are fucking delusional, no one gives a fuck about you retards fighting or running away from bulls through the streets or whatever. This is some shitty replacement for gladiator fights of old, a facsimile of masculinity for the ultraliberal cuck nation nu-Spain is, impotent garbage. It would be interesting if the film explored exactly that, but it does not, it's just cultural masturbation.
I like a lot of Serra's output, but this is an example of one of his shittier, more indulgent sides.

i would argue that they don't have a true understanding of christian morality then

On what grounds? Does the fact that their beliefs aren't true matter?

i'm refuting your point that "you can't separate the ethical content of a religion from claims about God's nature"

Sorry, I should've phrased that more carefully. I mean to say that when discussing the essence of a religion, you can't separate the ethical content of a religion from claims about God's nature. Again, that's ultimately beside the point which is that religious belief involves commitments to the truth of certain propositions.

it's probably not a good idea to try to engage in an ideological debate with illiterate peasants

Be that as it may, I neither specified illiteracy nor that they were peasantry. The point is that people's religious beliefs, like any other, are to some extent responsive to reason and as such, a very simple kind of attack of the nature that I specified has the potential to, however gradually, lead to at the very least, some kind of shift in belief supposing that it's not suppressed (suppression being motivated by fear of what???).

*some kind of shift in belief and ensuing social change

Solid review. Got a letter b?

Does the fact that their beliefs aren't true matter?

if you believe something that means you truly believe something. if you don't trult believe something, then you don't believe it

when discussing the essence of a religion

my point is there is no essence and people engage with religion in different ways and for different reasons

religious belief involves commitments to the truth of certain propositions

it involves lip service to certain propositions, it rarely requires total committment

. The point is that people's religious beliefs, like any other, are to some extent responsive to reason and as such, a very simple kind of attack of the nature that I specified has the potential to, however gradually, lead to at the very least, some kind of shift in belief

if you believe that you're incredibly naiive

American football is intellectual counterfeit to me when compared to a good bull stabbing you in the ass.

if you believe something that means you truly believe something

What does that mean?

it involves lip service to certain propositions, it rarely requires total committment

So can you, say, be a Christian and deny that God exists or is of the nature specified by the Bible and religious authorities or is the word "Christian" compatible with any set of beliefs?

if you believe that you're incredibly naiive

It's obviously an incredibly schematic example with the point being to illustrate that people are responsive to challenges to their beliefs on the grounds that those beliefs aren't true and that claims about the usefulness of a belief cannot outlive widespread belief that the belief is false.

American football is intellectual counterfeit money compared to a good Cap'n Jazz song

What does that mean?

it means that you don't pretend to believe something because you think god will kill you if you don't

So can you, say, be a Christian and deny that God exists or is of the nature specified by the Bible and religious authorities

you can not believe those things but still pay lip service to them

people are responsive to challenges to their beliefs on the grounds that those beliefs aren't true and that claims about the usefulness of a belief cannot outlive widespread belief that the belief is false.

i think that's naiive and the only people who would actually be convinced by that are sheltered academics and gullible autists

Cap'n Jazz is intellectual counterfeit when compared to 125, rue Montmartre.

it means that you don't pretend to believe something because you think god will kill you if you don't

You are misrepresenting me. I never spoke about pretending to believe, I spoke about the intimate relationship between beliefs about God and beliefs about the good for a religious person. Apart from that, I mean what do you mean in general about truly believing something. Surely truly believing something is incompatible with believing that your belief is anything but true, but you seem to be saying otherwise and that believing something doesn't require belief in its truth (or more concretely, that, say, "I believe that God exists" and "I believe that it is true that God exists" are not synonymous), but you're not really explaining your alternative position.

you can not believe those things but still pay lip service to them

But is the term "Christian" applicable to such a person?

i think that's naiive and the only people who would actually be convinced by that are sheltered academics and gullible autists

I think the denial of the dictionary-level understanding of belief as involving belief in something being true is far more autistic and academic-brained, but what do I know?

It's a documentary about him yet I do not know any more about him than I did before watching it.

many cinephiles are still so fixated on Freudian character psychology and the hero's journey progression. aren't we supposed to be the creative ones who love to catch the lapses from our morally and sensually contained and authorized everyday life? who love works for their visions most out of our world's order of understanding?
existence is dominated by ambivalence. we know people our whole lives and we never can read even one thought that the closest people to us have. we are like cameras deciphering gestures and expressions and that's natural to us.

, I spoke about the intimate relationship between beliefs about God and beliefs about the good for a religious person.

there isn't one

what do you mean in general about truly believing something.

exactly what i said, not pretending to believe in something but actually believing in it. you keep saying belief when you're actually talking about pretending to believe in something because otherwise god will kill you. it's very obvious

you seem to be saying otherwise and that believing something doesn't require belief in its truth (or more concretely, that, say, "I believe that God exists" and "I believe that it is true that God exists" are not synonymous),

what the fuck are you talking about, i'm being very plain and you're the one not understanding me

But is the term "Christian" applicable to such a person?

more or less

I think the denial of the dictionary-level understanding of belief as involving belief in something being true

don't get snippy with me, the only reason you're adding true onto the end is because you cannot comprehend someone believing something that has been proven to be untrue

I wonder what happened to that fellow who would regularly post that picture of Monica Bellucci's bosom on these threads? Or to the exemplary Tsaiposter? Neither were confidants of mine, but it's tragic to see colleagues-in-posting reduced to grave fodder.

Get a room you two.

I do miss Tsaibro

Tsaisis left without a word and I think their absence has really made Anon Babble feel like we’ve lost too many of the OG regulars

I'm new to art/classic films. How do I get better at analyzing and interpreting films?

watch more films

read books about film analysis

read books about filmmaking

watch documentaries on film and filmmaking

read classic and modern literature

but most importantly watch more films

there isn't one

Isn't there? Pretty sure that there are lots of Christians who accept some form of Divine Command Theory.

not pretending to believe in something but actually believing in it

Your definition seems to me hopelessly circular. Someone who really believes is someone who doesn't falsely believe.

more or less

So what's your answer to the question "is someone paying lip service to Christian belief and nothing more a truer Christian than someone who believes in something like Divine Command Theory and fears divine punishment?"

the only reason you're adding true onto the end is because you cannot comprehend someone believing something that has been proven to be untrue

If that proof in question is describing a something that happened to them, then yes, I hold that that is incomprehensible. And I would have thought that someone who claims to believe in the principle of non-contradiction and opposes academic-brain and autism would take issue with someone saying, for example, "I believe that God exists, though it is true that God does not exist".

art/classic films

just keep in mind, not all classics are art.
lot of talkies and Marilyn Monroe shit was literally bread and circus slop of that time. sort of like capeshit of the old days.

Say her name.

Heat is overrated, trust me, you can actually protect yourself from the cold better and it can be cozy, extreme heat makes you go crazy, it cooks your brain, i genuinely believe part of why there's so much violence in latam and Africa is the heat.

Why do you give a fuck about that shit? Just watch the films. You’re a human being, if you’re able to experience a film then your brain will react to the film. That’s it.

Pretty sure that there are lots of Christians who accept some form of Divine Command Theory.

and there are lots of christians who don't

Someone who really believes is someone who doesn't falsely believe.

are you ESL??? what the fuck is this, a true belief is one that someone actually holds. a false belief is one that somebody only pretends to hold. that is irrespective of whether the true belief is true or not. this is just basic semantics that you seem incapable of understanding.

So what's your answer to the question "is someone paying lip service to Christian belief and nothing more a truer Christian than someone who believes in something like Divine Command Theory and fears divine punishment?"

i would say they're both christians and idc which one is a truer christian

If that proof in question is describing a something that happened to them, then yes, I hold that that is incomprehensible

people are completely capable of being indenial that something happened or not caring that something happened

I would have thought that someone who claims to believe in the principle of non-contradiction and opposes academic-brain and autism would take issue with someone saying, for example, "I believe that God exists, though it is true that God does not exist".

i believe in non-contradiction as it applies to my beliefs. i don't believe in god. i also have no idea why anyone would say "it is true that god does not exist", as it's impossible to prove either way

Read this.

and there are lots of christians who don't

And why do you side with them over the Divine Command Theory ones?

a true belief is one that someone actually holds

What does "actually holds" mean beyond "not held as pretense"? This is just circular.

i would say they're both christians and idc which one is a truer christian

So being a Christian is compatible with both truly believing Christian doctrine and pretending to believe it?

i believe in non-contradiction as it applies to my beliefs

Can you make sense of, say, "I believe that the sky is blue though it is true that the sky is not blue"?

I've seen enough, /philm/ was a mistake.

And why do you side with them over the Divine Command Theory ones?

i am making the point that you can be a christian and not accept DCT

What does "actually holds" mean beyond "not held as pretense"?

there's something fundamentally broken with your brain, if you can't see the difference between my definition of true belief and yours that's your problem at this point

So being a Christian is compatible with both truly believing Christian doctrine and pretending to believe it?

yes

Can you make sense of, say, "I believe that the sky is blue though it is true that the sky is not blue"?

yes
not my fault the guy is a retard

Lee Transcendental

It was obviously sexual, but it wasn't pornographic.

Comfortable with? I'd pay her to do it!

Brazilian of portuguese and italian ancestry.

Can't believe the Celtics are getting assblasted by them.

Literally just watch more films, and ones that challenge you in some way, both emotionally and intellectually, you will eventually develop a better critical sense. Also, come here and talk to us.

there's something fundamentally broken with your brain, if you can't see the difference between my definition of true belief

You actually don't seem to have a definition, you seem to be saying that belief is unanalysable and indefinable.

yes

So the word Christian is utterly trivial.

yes

Do show me how, because you may have just solved a rather famous paradox.

not my fault the guy is a retard

Mate, you've just spent hours arguing with someone that you claimed from the outset to have no intention of changing the mind of in the most evasive way possible, that the common understanding of the English word "believe" is not just inferior to your unique understanding of it, but autistic and academic-brained. I don't think that you're in any kind of position to insult anyone's intelligence.

Feeling elated, might brookefap.

Can't believe the Celtics are getting assblasted by them.

Haha, yeah...

Where are you from brookefriend?

god fucking damn it I'd love her to beat the shit out of me

She's busy but still here, sometimes posting under her alter ego. In fact I can see her posts in this very thread. I've learned to recognize her style.
T: good buddies with her

If you were given a $1 mil budget, a year and your choice of actors, what film would you make?

1 million is like nothing so probably some bullshit where i find 2-3 interesting people and film them fucking around
my equipment is the latest iPhone and pirated video editing software
i pay myself for time worked, there is no money laundering, everything is billed and i keep meticulous track of my expenses. $100 an hour because i am that valuable. someone gave me a million dollars to film shit, i'm obviously worth it.
i think this is a pretty reasonable base pay for an unknown director, i'm not asking for royalties of a cut of anything. just billable hours.

You actually don't seem to have a definition, you seem to be saying that belief is unanalysable and indefinable.

nigga it's what's in your head. it's what you think, what you BELIEVE

a rather famous paradox

it's only a paradox if you think you have to believe things purely because they're true and you can't believe something that you know to be untrue

in the most evasive way possible, that the common understanding of the English word "believe" is not just inferior to your unique understanding of it

you know dictionaries only existed after british empiricism was fully established, right??? you do know dictionaries are only like 300 years old and beleif as a concept predates them??? the fact that you can't get your head around believing something that there is no evidence for and evidence to the contrary just says it all, you're indoctrinated and very dim.

arguing with someone that you claimed from the outset to have no intention of changing the mind of in the most evasive way possible

i'm just exposing you as being dumb and entertaining myself. i think it's pretty obvious that i've outargued you anyway and my definitions are very fair and reasonable

I don’t believe you

illegal in australia yaknow

Unfiltered internet from a young age

Good. She'd want to stay undercover

If you were given a $1 mil budget, a year and your choice of actors, what film would you make?

Do the actors agree to work for scale or do I have to pay their usual rate? If not, it’s not really my “choice” considering their rate is locked higher than the $1 mil budget

Isn't porn with women who are of age but look VERY youthful also illegal in Australia? What's going on over there, that's crazy, imagine it being illegal to look at Dakota Tyler and Rara Kudo, i'd be doing life in prison.

STFU hater, let brookefriend answer.

Dakota Tyler

wew...

films are a visual medium. you don't need a plot reason for anything. there are movies that are purely visual/audio spectacles with no plot or dialogue at all.
furthermore, it is absurd to have a soft prohibition on all kinds of human nudity. it's almost like a denial of the self. people put on clothes not to deny the reality we are naked under them, but because we know our nakedness is not always desirable. that's why we cringe when unpleasant looking people underdress, and why we delight when attractive people underdress.
there's absolutely not justification of prohibiting nudity, except in this general societal sense. naked people everywhere would be social disorder, which is bad and we want less of that. i can't imagine what a california university campus is like. probably foul.

Rara Kudo

Check out Yura Kana I think you’ll like.

Tropical Lolita.

Binoche won

Delpy looks like she smells strongly of cigarettes now.

nigga it's what's in your head. it's what you think, what you BELIEVE

"Believing is when you believe for real instead of pretending to believe which is when you don't believe for real. This is a definition of belief and not an admission that a definition of belief is impossible"

it's only a paradox if you think you have to believe things purely because they're true and you can't believe something that you know to be untrue

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_paradox

the fact that you can't get your head around believing something that there is no evidence for

I can get my head around that and have admitted to holding such beliefs (intuitions) myself here here here and here >and evidence to the contrary
Yes, I hold (as you claim to, too), that violations of the principle of non-contradiction are nonsense.

i'm just exposing you as being dumb and entertaining myself

Except you don't seem entertained at all. You seem desperate to say anything but that you're wrong which I take to be the explanation for your evasiveness.

i think it's pretty obvious that i've outargued you anyway and my definitions are very fair and reasonable

We both know that you don't think any of that and that if anyone tried arguing with you in real life in the way that you're arguing with me now, you'd dismiss them immediately as someone completely unserious at best and genuinely stupid at worst.

They will be obliged to work with you and their salaries are taken care of. Same with crew. The $1 mil budget is for production costs. Also you don't get a salary, so i'm ignoring that other faggot with his smartass answer.

the ending of Three Colors: Red is dishonest cinema.

Isn't she the cutest?

Implying i don't already know her

IBW-885Z is great, if i'm remembering the code correctly.

any good film with good gay twink sex?

shortbus is the only film that has actual dudes fucking and sucking that i know of
one of them is cute, the other two not so much

"Believing is when you believe for real instead of pretending to believe which is when you don't believe for real.

are you fucking illiterate, i was talking about TRUE BELIEF as believing and not pretending. do you just automatically add/ remove true at random??? is it a meaningless word for you???

Moore's paradox

nigga it's one not a paradox because it just sounds "iffy" two it's from fucking wittgenstein the guy who doesn't understand that people have to agree on definitions in order to argue

that violations of the principle of non-contradiction are nonsense

no i choose to be internally consistent because that has value to me and others like me. i accept that others can hold contradictory beliefs

You seem desperate to say anything but that you're wrong

i'm not wrong because i'm saying what i believe. you're the one trying to "win" an argument, ignoring my point about dictionaries btw

We both know that you don't think any of that and that if anyone tried arguing with you in real life in the way that you're arguing with me now, you'd dismiss them immediately as someone completely unserious at best and genuinely stupid at worst.

classic projection, enjoy trying to win arguments instead of expressing what you actually believe btw

Isn't she the cutest?

she's brookefriend approved.

There's one by Sato i remember watching, called Muscle i think, it's really gay, i mean REALLY gay.

you don't get a salary

Am I able to make any money from the sale or distribution of the film?

What does it mean when you're straight but not disgusted by gay sex? I can watch dudes fucking hard and not have a negative visceral reaction.

A reasonable human being?

In the film Octavio Is Dead, Canadian actress Sarah Gadon pretends to be a twink and has anal sex with a gay twink who use to have sex with her dead father

Nobody's called me that before.

closeted

are you fucking illiterate, i was talking about TRUE BELIEF as believing and not pretending.

So what is the difference between belief, true belief and pretend belief?

nigga it's one not a paradox because it just sounds "iffy"

Well that's a load off my mind! I'll tell the others.

who doesn't understand that people have to agree on definitions in order to argue

Pretty sure that the whole point about language being tied to forms of life is to argue the exact opposite.

no i choose to be internally consistent because that has value to me and others like me

Why does it have value to you?

i accept that others can hold contradictory beliefs

So a person's beliefs being inconsistent with each other is different from them being inconsistent with yours how?

you're the one trying to "win" an argument

I'm saying what I believe, which is synonymous with what I take to be true.

ignoring my point about dictionaries btw

Which is what? Are you suggesting that the makers of dictionaries had some agenda to suppress your, natural, oh-so-commonsensical non-definition of belief and weren't recording the pre-existing meaning of the word?

Most Araki

So what is the difference between belief, true belief and pretend belief?

belief is a thought or concept
true belief is a belief that is professed that a person genuinely holds
false belief is a belief that is professed that a person genuinely holds

Well that's a load off my mind! I'll tell the others.

the fact that you're using fucking wittgenstein as a source of authority says it all really

Pretty sure that the whole point about language being tied to forms of life is to argue the exact opposite.

what the fuck are you saying lmao

Why does it have value to you?

because i believe it does

So a person's beliefs being inconsistent with each other is different from them being inconsistent with yours how?

my point was about how my beliefs should be compatible with my other beliefs you tard, not about other people's beliefs being incompatible with mine

I'm saying what I believe, which is synonymous with what I take to be true.

some of it maybe, but others you're obviously just using to win arguments

Are you suggesting that the makers of dictionaries had some agenda to suppress your, natural, oh-so-commonsensical non-definition of belief

my point was it's unsurprising that something that only came into existence after the creation of empiricism uses empiricist definitions. the idea that words have or should have fixed definitions is insane btw

awful feet

I had a good kek, thanks, anon

It is done.

belief is a thought or concept

So when I'm watching The Searchers and I have the thought that "Ethan is a troubled man" do I believe it even though I also believe than "Ethan isn't real"?

the fact that you're using fucking wittgenstein as a source of authority says it all really

I'm really not, and you'd think that you'd see that given that it's called "Moore's Paradox" because Moore came up with it.

what the fuck are you saying lmao

Something that someone who had even the most rudimentary understanding of Wittgenstein would understand.

because i believe it does

So for no reason.

my point was about how my beliefs should be compatible with my other beliefs you tard, not about other people's beliefs being incompatible with mine

So do you think my beliefs that contradict yours aren't mistaken?

my point was it's unsurprising that something that only came into existence after the creation of empiricism uses empiricist definitions

You're incorrect about the historical point (the earliest dictionaries are Sumerian-Akkadian) and you've already shown that you don't know what empiricism is here.

the idea that words have or should have fixed definitions is insane btw

I know, right! How else could you do what you're doing?

Breaking the streak with this piece of shit

I have the thought that "Ethan is a troubled man" do I believe it even though I also believe than "Ethan isn't real"?

probably. if you said "Ethan is a troubled man" while thinking "Ethan isn't real" that would be a false belief though

you'd think that you'd see that given that it's called "Moore's Paradox" because Moore came up with i

popularised by wittgenstein, cope

Something that someone who had even the most rudimentary understanding of Wittgenstein would understand.

that explains absolutely everything because wittgenstein understood nothing

So for no reason.

i believe in internal consistency because it has value to me and others like me. therefore there is a reason for me and others to hold that belief and act collectively because of it. internal consistency leads to good things- i do not hold it because of other preexisting beliefs but because it is the basis for other beliefs.

So do you think my beliefs that contradict yours aren't mistaken?

i don't particularly care about your beliefs, but no, i don't. it's actually better for me if you hold beliefs that are bad for you because you suck ass and i hate you

the earliest dictionaries are Sumerian-Akkadian

i meant amongst people, not barbarian savages.

you've already shown that you don't know what empiricism

i meant british empiricism created by british people who also invented the first REAL dicitonary

I know, right! How else could you do what you're doing?

you might mock but we're barely communicating as it is

No. Your living expenses are covered during the process. The film is distributed for you and if its good maybe you get more work out of it.

210510840

You must stop with these.

This one is just disturbing, you're getting into vore territory.

What is?

Pay me 3000€
Me: *posts literally the funniest thing ever*
You with the morally correct cap: "Erm you shouldn't be joking about this."

probably

So any thought entertained at all is a belief to you? If someone something that causes you to have a thought you just believe it by virtue of thinking about it.

that explains absolutely everything because wittgenstein understood nothing

What it explains is that you just don't know anything about Wittgenstein (whom I haven't invoked as an authority in spite of your claiming that I have) and are just using him to ad hominem me because it adds to your word count.

i don't particularly care about your beliefs, but no, i don't

So you hold the internally inconsistent beliefs that what I say is not false (and thus, true by the law of the excluded middle) and what you say that contradicts it is true.

i meant british empiricism created by british people who also invented the first REAL dicitonary

The first British dictionary also predates British empiricism.

*If someone says something that causes you to have a thought you just believe it by virtue of thinking about it?

how the fuck is that gay

Well done. I hate this.

If someone says something that causes you to have a thought you just believe it by virtue of thinking about it?

of course, it might not be the thought they intended you to think though

What it explains is that you just don't know anything about Wittgenstein

i know enough to get his whole deal about whining about there not being objective definitions of words (and that's a bad thing)

So you hold the internally inconsistent beliefs that what I say is not false (and thus, true by the law of the excluded middle)

i don't think your beliefs are mistaken as in i don't think they're harmful to you and i don't think you should change them (or rather i don't care if you don't)

what you say that contradicts it is true.

my beliefs that contradict your beliefs are my true beliefs

The first British dictionary also predates British empiricism.

nigga francis bacon died before coleriudge's dictionary and hume was a contemporary

dumontfag and dingo have been at it for almost 24 hours

Are these niggas this autistic? Massive.

Yes, man. I hope it doesn't interfere with the 72hs sesh. Masivo bro.

12 hours and i'm winning
seethe more spic

That was not even me, but now I believe your claims about the 72h sesh and all. Truly a schizo amongst the schizos (you admitted it!).

He said good

Oh Diego "Baubro" Roolicker, enlighten me if you can.
It's a confusing thing to me when I see visceral reactions to things that are normal to me. I simply don't get what's so disturbing about some things. Could I be so accustomed to transgression that my baseline already crosses the line with a lot of people?

I have autism, so crossing the lines of others is not rare. Then again, everyone's line is invisible and at a different location. It's a struggle trying not to cross such a line! With pseudonymity I'm uninhibited. I however know not to cross my own lines because I would likely end up in court.

Whassa matter with me, eh?

i never did a 72hr sesh and you know it. i did a 19 hour sesh, once

How many films have you watched in the last 12hs? Aka "since getting wild with Dumontfag"?

i rewatched backlash. yesterday i watched escape to athena.

I don’t feel bad for either of them. The entire enterprise has fallen into retardation.

anything i don't understand is retarded

try to keep up, poindexter

Is there any Araki film that does NOT feature gay sex? The intertitle of The Doom Generation says it's an hetero film, but I suspect that he is trying to bamboozle us.

I haven’t even read a single one of the posts since yesterday. But clearly neither one of you will fold, so why not just end it.

Anon, I...

i think he gave up anyway

The Doom Generation has hetero sex, but is pretty much a bisexual film made by a gay man. Similar vibes to Y tu mamá también; bicurious flicks.

Splendor is purely hetero/bromance.

of course, it might not be the thought they intended you to think though

So whenever someone says to you "you don't exist" you believe it every time? How do you cease to have that belief? Am I also to understand that if someone attributed beliefs that you'd expressed to you here, they'd be incorrect if you weren't thinking your beliefs at the time due to being asleep or something?

i don't think your beliefs are mistaken as in i don't think they're harmful to you and i don't think you should change them (or rather i don't care if you don't)

Do you believe in truth at all and if so what relationship do you see your beliefs as having to it? What relationship do you see my beliefs as having to it? What relationship do you see our two sets of beliefs as having to each other? Will you simultaneously assert that our contradictory beliefs are both true or not?

nigga francis bacon

First English dictionary predates Bacon's scientific work.

Your living expenses are covered during the process

Hmm okay. I’ll move into a room at Chateau Marmont for the year and rent out my current place for the year, so I can make money there. “Living expenses” also covers food, so I’ll buy lots of food in bulk and just freeze it to use in the future, so that’s good as well. Clothing is covered, I’ll buy boutique and haut couture clothing I can resell after. Laptops for writing and high end rigs for post production is covered, I’ll sell them too.
Looks like I can still make a decent amount from the year, thanks. I’ll shit out some dumbass piece of shit movie at the same time, who gives a fuck.

what are some /films/ you wouldn't consider great, but you can't seem to forget

yikes...
whoever wins - we lose, unless it's Bi Gan but no way he gets the Palm

kys

So whenever someone says to you "you don't exist" you believe it every time?

no because i don't think that just because somebody says it to me. i might think "this guy is a jackass" instead, for example, and that would be my belief

What relationship do you see my beliefs as having to it? What relationship do you see our two sets of beliefs as having to each other? Will you simultaneously assert that our contradictory beliefs are both true or not?

i don't care about your beliefs

First English dictionary predates Bacon's scientific work.

it was contemporary to his work lmao

Juliette Binoche, French actress – Jury President[2]

Halle Berry, American actress and filmmaker[9]

Dieudo Hamadi, Congolese filmmaker and producer

Hong Sang-soo, South Korean filmmaker

Payal Kapadia, Indian filmmaker

Carlos Reygadas, Mexican filmmaker

Alba Rohrwacher, Italian actress

Leïla Slimani, Moroccan writer

Jeremy Strong, American actor

special award for being out of focus incoming

Besides the new Bi Gan, I'm also interested in the new Kleber and Linklater ones. But this year looks even more dire than last year, which is an achievement in itself.

no because i don't think that just because somebody says it to me

of course, it might not be the thought they intended you to think though

Is this not an internal contradiction?

i don't care about your beliefs

So you keep saying (in spite of vigorously contradicting them and then evading) but what about yours. Do you think they happen to be true or not? Is there such a thing as truth or not?

it was contemporary to his work lmao

So it's true that it's contemporary with his work and false that it wasn't and I am wrong to believe otherwise regardless of whether you care about what I think?

Carlos Reygadas

damn, he finally got recognized
but also i thought he got cancelled a couple years ago?

Is this not an internal contradiction?

i don't think that JUST because somebody says it to me. i might, and might not. i am not COMPELLED to believe something just because someone says it

Do you think they happen to be true or not? Is there such a thing as truth or not?

there's only a tangential relationship between what is true and what i believe

So it's true that it's contemporary with his work and false that it wasn't and I am wrong to believe otherwise

i would say it's true but you don't have to believe it

Trump won, cancellations are cancelled

i don't think that JUST because somebody says it to me. i might, and might not. i am not COMPELLED to believe something just because someone says it

But according to you, a belief is just a thought with no further specification given. What is it that explains your rejection of the statement "you don't exist"? You were talking about believing things you think are good for you before and now you're talking as if beliefs are just formed randomly.

there's only a tangential relationship between what is true and what i believe

What do you think truth is? Would you be happy to assert that your beliefs are false or not?

i would say it's true but you don't have to believe it

What do you mean when you say it's true? Do you also believe it and if so why if not because it's true? How is it that the belief benefits you? If I don't have to believe it, my beliefs don't matter, and my beliefs are unrelated to the truth, then why mention the truth in response to my expression of belief?

Y'all niggas fw home projectors? I want to get out the TV hell

My friend bought a projector and it looked fucking awful. There is a reason people invest in the bulky ass hardware still

What is it that explains your rejection of the statement "you don't exist"? You were talking about believing things you think are good for you before and now you're talking as if beliefs are just formed randomly.

idk i guess some of them are formed subconsciously. some of them are voluntary. what they are NOT is 100% compulsory-i don't have to think something just because somebody says it

What do you think truth is?

external reality

Would you be happy to assert that your beliefs are false or not?

we've been over this, a false belief and a true belief mean something different from statements about reality

If I don't have to believe it, my beliefs don't matter, and my beliefs are unrelated to the truth, then why mention the truth in response to my expression of belief?

because hopefully it might shut you up you autist

What are some films that explore the argument that sometimes violence is necessary?

Wake in Fright

idk i guess some of them are formed subconsciously. some of them are voluntary. what they are NOT is 100% compulsory-i don't have to think something just because somebody says it

So some of your beliefs are formed voluntarily (per based on your belief that they're good for you). And your beliefs about what's good for you are formed subconsciously and are unresponsive to claims that they're false (there could be no difference between what you actually think is good and what seems good to you)?

external reality

So are beliefs or statements be true in referring to it? Or is a true belief simply any belief that actually exists regardless of its content's relationship to external reality?

because hopefully it might shut you up you autist

I can't see why don't just ignore with all that you claim to believe and how easy it is to just not respond. If you think that I'll never change your mind, that you'll never change mine and this is no longer an effective means of fighting boredom, your continuing this makes no sense to me.

I explored Wake in Fright anon cavities in a warm summer Sydney day

So are beliefs or statements true in referring to it?*

Is that the one with the real kangaroo hunting? I put that one off because I'm a pussy when it comes to animal harm

Joss anotha noight out atta yabba!!

And your beliefs about what's good for you are formed subconsciously

some are conscious and some aren't

So are beliefs or statements be true in referring to it? Or is a true belief simply any belief that actually exists regardless of its content's relationship to external reality?

a true belief is one that is expressed that is also held by the expresser. its relationship to external truth is irrelevant

I can't see why don't just ignore with all that you claim to believe and how easy it is to just not respond. If you think that I'll never change your mind, that you'll never change mine and this is no longer an effective means of fighting boredom, your continuing this makes no sense to me.

because you're an autist and i'm bored

Tender anon, the world is a horrible place full of suffering both human and animal. Accepting this and engaging with the material will make you stronger.

Remember, heaven and earth treat all those as straw dogs.
Wise is the sage who treats all as straw dogs.

I WANT TO SEE TSAISI'S

Walkabout is better, it has even more real animal killings AND underage nudity all around. It's like Antonioni in the outback

engaging with the material

?

some are conscious and some aren't

And they can never be considered to be wrong? You can never have an experience of "this thing I thought was good for me turned out not to be good for me"? Your beliefs about what is good for you are totally unresponsive to reason and formed blindly?

a true belief is one that is expressed that is also held by the expresser. its relationship to external truth is irrelevant

I understand that you're using "true" to essentially mean "sincere". So beliefs can't be true in the sense of having a certain relationship to external reality?

because you're an autist and i'm bored

But you just said that you're trying to shut me up, which would deprive you of this means of relieving your boredom.

I wish they would both get banned for off topic posting

Watching it

Projectors are endgame, fantastic shit

And they can never be considered to be wrong? You can never have an experience of "this thing I thought was good for me turned out not to be good for me"?

depends, no idea what this has to do with truth

So beliefs can't be true in the sense of having a certain relationship to external reality?

i think it's irrelevant because things aren't true because they're believed to be true

Strong Ducks

depends, no idea what this has to do with truth

That your beliefs about what's good for you are ultimately guided by considerations of whether something really (truly) is good for you or not. That there's a fact of the matter that certain things are good for you and certain things aren't and as such that fundamentally your beliefs and belief in truth are inseparable.

i think it's irrelevant because things aren't true because they're believed to be true

That seems to be what you're saying in saying that a true belief is one that is expressed and also head by the expresser. What I mean is that the rather commonplace idea that a sentence or a belief is true because of something that is in some sense beyond it which you seem to oscillate between actively denying and being ok with.

Jajaja

whether something really (truly) is good for you or not.

that's not what i mean by external truth. also what i think is good for me is obviously pretty arbitrary

the rather commonplace idea that a sentence or a belief is true because of something that is in some sense beyond it

i've been very clear that i use the word true in two contexts. the first is in respect to a sincere belief, the second is in respect to external reality. i don't accept that the two are connected- that's a coincidence coming down to the quirks of the english language.

Sgt. York

They should publish this dialogue as a book.

It's pedantic, repetitive, it doesn't get nowhere. 2/10

that's not what i mean by external truth. also what i think is good for me is obviously pretty arbitrary

So what's good for you is down to your will? You can choose what's good for you?

i've been very clear that i use the word true in two contexts. the first is in respect to a sincere belief, the second is in respect to external reality

I can't say that I agree that you've been anything approaching clear. Leaving aside the question of how someone can be sincere in the absence of a concept of truth (as correspondence or whatever), you deny that the second usage, right? That there's just sincere beliefs that have no reference to anything beyond them? Is it possible for beliefs to be in some kind of relation to that external reality or not and if so, what is the nature of that relation? If it's essentially "no relevant relation" then I don't understand why you haven't just said "there's no external reality" given that it has no relation to our beliefs whatsoever and its raison d'etre is precisely epistemic.

It's not a moral reaction but a visceral one.

*There's just sincere beliefs that have no reference to anything beyond them?

Bro I seen Antichrist get the fuck out.

You've actually read any of it?

If it's essentially "no relation"

someb'dy bake

No, only a tiny bit. And they were arguing semantics 12 hours into the whole thing. Lmao.

I admire the relentlessness.

I'll bake the next and post it after the 310 mark hits.

So what's good for you is down to your will? You can choose what's good for you?

depends

Leaving aside the question of how someone can be sincere in the absence of a concept of truth

i was using your term for my term-expressing a belief that is genuinely held. stop focusing on a quirk of the language where external reality and not lying use the same word. it would probably make more sense if i just used the word "real" to refer to "external truth" and "true" to refer to the absence of falsehood

then I don't understand why you haven't just said "there's no external reality"

because that is insane and i don't believe it
arguing over the definition of words isn't mere "SEMANTICS", IT'S THE ESSENCE OF AGREEMENT CAPS LOCK

Relentless sexo with ______

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Tsaisis, Alida Valli, Alice Guy-Blaché
You know the drill

depends

How does it depend and upon what does it depend? Can you be wrong about something being good for you or not?

i was using your term for my term-expressing a belief that is genuinely held

I know.

it would probably make more sense if i just used the word "real" to refer to "external truth" and "true" to refer to the absence of falsehood

What does the absence of falsehood mean when beliefs are utterly unresponsive to claims that things really just are a certain way because of the way reality is?

because that is insane and i don't believe it

Why don't you believe it? What does the concept do in the absence of any relation to belief? You're basically saying "there's a world out there that has no relation to either the formation of our beliefs (which is a product of will) or on whether they're true or not". Seems utterly pointless and unmotivated.

Post you fucks. I wanna bake so hard. HNNNG.

will you make it sweet?

Yes.

Somepony bake

Almost...

Please don't shit up the next thread with anymore pointless arguing.

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