Why is pop culture frozen? The 60s died and became the 70s. But the 80s and 90s refuse to die

Why is pop culture frozen? The 60s died and became the 70s. But the 80s and 90s refuse to die.

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Social media

Smart phones

Because show business -- like the rest of American business -- is slowly being taken over by private equity, hedge and venture capital funds managers. That's who's running the show; not showmen.

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all of this, you had radio and 3 TV channels and magazines back then and that was it, when trends in entertainment shifted older trends stopped being promoted

This is wrong.

The 1990s had a very unique zeitgeist, you had to be there to get it. They fucking died a long time ago. What we have are corporations puppeting the corpses of the 1980s and 1990s but the spirit isn't there.

by that measure the 60s didn't die either. The rolling stones are still around ringo is still releasing albums even that vile crone Jane Fonda is still mouthing off about politics. There aren't many actors from the 60s around because they are in the cemetery.

Gen X parasites in management refuse let the 80s go.

Gen X wins again

The 90s were very different. For films 2000s were the moment when everything changed and movies from today still look similar to movies from let's say 2003.

Zoomers lack the innate creativity or free will to carve out their own niche, they are no more human than the feces coming out of a pig's anus

Its fully generational now. Its going to be 80s-90s for probably a couple more decades. They have to convince the primary working age population to keep working. So they blanket them in the most comforting era of their lives perpetually. As soon as millenials retire it will shift to zoomers/gen A and their interests to keep them placated and taxable

what interests does Gen A have?

someone in 1995:

The reason why the '60s don't feel like 30 years ago is cause Sean Connery is still starring in movies and The Rolling Stones are touring

Starring at iPads apparently

There used to be avenues for good new things to take hold. The world also didn't used to punish people for being normal. People right now are just holding onto whatever is left from before things got really fucked and stupid. Hence, Mission Impossible movies are still getting made, because the new generation's Tom Cruise hasn't been allowed to flourish.

culture must be isolated to exist. think about it for 2 seconds and the reason why a chronically online person doesn't experience it is obvious

corporate greed and risk aversion
80s is when most pop culture franchises calificed, these are multi-generational, easily recognisable, readymade IPs that have millions of fans that will do free marketing on social media for these movie studios
also as tomorrow grows increasingly bleak the past becomes high art in a society where people can't imagine a bright future for themselves
audiences love the past because its comforting
execs love the past because its easy money

Death of mono culture

Pearl Jam is touring

and Metallica
and Green Day
and U2

There's no one to replace them, music is dead

sean connery never made movies for decades after the 60s?
the rolling stones or the who never toured past 1970?

Sean Connery shifted into his role as "older actor who is generally a supporting role in movies", and Someone else was playing James Bond. That's difference.

There is no new Tom Cruise because he doesn't exist. There is no one like him out there in a younger generation. No one has his drive, mentality and charisma. It isn't about allowing someone to flourish. That's bitch talk. If he was out there he'd take it

you had to be there

posts 2020s staged photo

Decentralization of culture

most cultural changes in the 20th century coincided with new media technology
music, film and visual art technology have been pretty stangnant for the last 20-30 years so we don't see any new genres or styles either
VR and AI have been a complete flop so far but may develop into something eventually

You can be sure they exist, but the movie companies don't want them.
It's not that hard to find a good looking charismatic man in his 20's or 30's, who can act well enough, and then give that person whatever resources they need to become a real star. There's a lack of desire to do that.
The last batch of those we had were people who were child actors in kid films like 15 or 20 years ago, like Robert Patterson or whatever.

That's not even true.

60s died

Nothing dies in culture like that. If anything the 60s (and 50s) saw a renaissance in the 80s and 90s. Lots of films used songs from those decades, there were many remakes of movies from that era (and not only horror movies).

Eras and zeitgeists don't fall neatly into decades. The 60s through the 90s were similar in many ways, just like how the 20s feel similar to the 00s. People tend to overstate how different these individual decades have been and overlook how similar they've been. Who's to say the 60s through today aren't one big era? Victorian England lasted roughly 60 years.

he didnt play bond anymore but continued to be the leading man in movies for decades. he was more popular in the 80s early 90s then he ever was before. boomer rockers continued to tour decades after the 60s as well. the grateful dead like connery became more famous as the decades progressed

Social infantalization, peter pan symdrome, youth culture devouring adulthood. Basically the modern world was a mistake.

60s nostalgia lasted all the way through the 00s in the UK.

Dumb shit. Stones are still touring. a bunch of 90s grunge frontmen died of unnatural deaths. Cruise is an 80s star shilling for the pentagon.

Still very different to how Tom Cruise along with Hugh Jackman and whoever else are just flat out doing the same thing.
Connery was in The Hunt for Red October and stuff. That's a role for a mature actor. It's different.

Tom Cruise

Yeah, in Mission Impossible, which was a sequel/remake/whatever to a show that started in 1960s. So much for 60s dying with the 70s.

The Rolling Stones toured last year.

Dumb opinion of someone who knows nothing about pop culture.

No one cares about the 60's show though. The Cruise movies are their own franchise.

is that self-admitted unambiguous paedophile still with them?
guy was worse than Bowie.

It easier to say this about the 2000s than it is the 90s.

Still very different to how Tom Cruise along with Hugh Jackman and whoever else are just flat out doing the same thing.

but the original tweet simply says cruise is still staring in movies. the point was they think these people from years ago are just as relevant now as they were 30yrs ago which is wrong actually. nobody gives a shit about pearl jam

dumbest fucking thing i read tonight

True, but they are basically a relic of a bygone era in the sea of capeshit.
You can argue that some franchises are still going on, like Jurassic Park, but those modern movies are so different from the 90s ones they could be a different franchise altogether.
When it comes to overall film trends the 90s were a very different decade from the last 20 years or so and the biggest change was caused by the widespread use of CGI and the use of digital photography.

He's still starring in movies as the exact kind of character he was playing in the 90's. He's still jumping out of planes and shit, and probably near killing himself doing it all.

Bowie and him have most definitely sucked each others cocks fwiw

Said no one ever.
Some elements always endure, but today's media landscape is nothing but remakes of movies/tv/videogames from the 80s/90s/

You guys are overanalyzing it, the cinema, tv, fashion, music etc "creatives" realized that you can resell shit from 20 years ago and make it really profitable thanks to nostalgia and the <20 bunch seeing it as exotic, they've doing blatantly since the late 90s with the 70s recycling, 80s in the 2000s 90s in the 2010s and you see all the zoomers dressing just like teens from 20 years ago

lol no it didn't but i would give them that 2000s is basically the standstill stopping point for pop culture. 2000s till now has pretty much been the same culturally with a few minor things/

80s and 90s were also full of remakes. The remakes were just better and there were more original mature films. This is really visible in the box office if you compare higher grossing films from the 80s and 90s with the ones from the last two decades.

Paul McCartney and Rolling Stones were touring last year so feeling like the '60's just last year!!!

Its because the internet invents new shit every other day. Nothing just sticks around.

Movies were in theaters for longer and people went out to see them because they only had 30, channels at home at best, music stayed on the radio and everyone listened to it because steaming wasnt a thing, people went to malls and saw eachother and shopped at the same places in person so they ended up with the same stuff, because people couldn't just buy anything at Amazon.
Its a completely different social ecosystem now.

Pre-2010 (really 2012) was a different world. Internet culture was even different.

Not for movies. Sequels, remakes, big budget CGI franchises, all of this started before 2012. There's little difference between all those Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean movies and Avengers 4 or whatever.

Millenials have no talent. They can't produce anything of note in kino or lit. Zoomers are even more worthless and can't produce anything of quality in music. I used to think it was to do with globalization etc, but it's clear it's just generational failure once you talk to them. The competency crisis doesn't just affect train timetables.

not really. A lot of the stuff that I was using was proto-social media back in 01-03ish. Stuff like OF and shit was very much around just in different forms. I remember girls on blogs advertising paypal and would charge for tit pics just like OF does now. Lots of shit is still exactly the same just with minor variations. I say 2000s was basically the stopping point for older internet like forums and stuff that was pretty much dying out but things like IRC lasted a fucking loooooong time.

80s and 90s were also full of remakes.

Full of? Come the fuck on. There will be always be remakes, but you are fucking delusional if you think it's anything near the quantity of the last 15 years.
And I hate to say this, but there's a difference between taking Cape Feare from the 1930s in black and white and remaking it 60 years later in color with heavy hitters like DeNiro, Nolte and Scorcese vs remaking some shitty 80s horror film and filling it with CGI blood splatter to save money.

The thing is you aren't seeing millennials even being given a chance at a lot of these companies. Why do you fucking think these baby boomer shithead CEOs and genXers want to give millennials anything. The shitty new jurrassic park movie is GenX and baby boomer STILL. Then you have most movies being managed by corpos at this point that give zero ability for creativity.

Talent is only one part of the picture, you also need proper training, and support.
Are you going to acting school, if you can't pay for acting school, and there's no one to pay for you to go to acting school? No.

Also, this accounts for the rise of nepobabies, because they're the ones who can actually get a leg up into the system.

low rise girl jeans will make a comeback in your lifetime

I'm gonna put this really inarticulately because it's after midnight but things don't seem to just "start" anymore
Like, there'd be a movie nobody ever fucking heard of and a character nobody ever fucking heard of and then, somehow, it just soaks in and they're a permanent part of the public consciousness, the modern mythology
Of course they all ended up as franchises in and of themselves with endless sequels and spinoffs and cash-ins, but the point I'm making is they all started coming out of nowhere, they had no foundation except audiences went "Huh, I'll check that out HOLY FUCK"

And movies really don't/can't do that anymore. The only movie that even attempted that this whole fucking millennium was Avatar, and that was both 17 years ago and dogshit
Off the top of my head, I threw together a few things that weren't novels, they weren't comic books, they weren't sequels or remakes, they were just shit that Hollywood threw at the wall that stuck, permanently

That ability has disappeared

You have poor reading comprehension

Women are too fat for them now. Only the fatties take Ozempic so that doesn't count. Almost every woman I know drinks Starbucks coffee that has more sugar and syrup in it than an entire cheesecake.

This is so wrong on so many levels.

what the 90s feel like they dont even exist at this point both end absorbed by the other decades
and lifes so different the 90s feel ancient as fuck already

captain planet or batman arent tell you to save the planet smokey the bear isnt telling you to prevent forest fires

some down syndrome groomed girl is whining about gay shit tho

People don't talk about how in the 50/60/70s and to a lesser extent, 80s, you had much more limited stuff to do outside school/work, so a lot of people turned to the arts and became really good at them. Now people who grew up with the internet have instant infinite access to basically the entirety of human produced entertainment + infinite social engagement. There's more shit to amuse you and take your attention than you can ever actually engage with in your lifetime. So there's much much fewer people who sit there with not much to do saying "okay I guess I'll become really autistically good at guitar" or similar. This isn't the entire problem of course, but I think it is part of it.

The Grateful Dead toured in 2023. 60s and 70s pop culture is still around, just to a lesser extent because boomers, and increasingly Xers, relevance is fading. You'll keep seeing people with Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon shirts in the future though. Pre-millennium pop culture will be around until the American empire collapses because, while new pop culture is being made, the cynicism and money motivation for its existence is increasingly apparent and transparent. While old pop culture was cynical and money motivated, it was more artful at producing something that camouflaged its true intent. When you look at something like the Minecraft movie and chicken jockey, it is very apparent that the intent is completely cynical, there is no art to it if you compare to even high concept films from the 80s or exploitation movies from the 70s, which while they were designed to bait audiences, still had no choice but to actually put some effort into actual production because of technological limitations at the time. So while you can enjoy the chicken jockey meme, you have to be on multiple levels of irony. Pop culture is on diminishing returns in term of its lasting appeal. All of it will stay around until the collapse, like a dump for the literal garbage it actually is, but as time goes on, it will be harder for people to revisit the later iterations of it as a better, more sincere time. However, you will always have children to grow up and look back at the past with nostalgia goggles.

No, you just weren't around to see shit like fucking livejournal and what most millennials were doing. I remember even doing shitty live web cams and shit with girls who showed me tits even on yahoo chat etc. You were probably not even alive and if you were you were probably jerking off on main stream sites. I think its also funny that we had clipsites that were basically like pornhub where you'd just download avi files that were 30second clips and they'd have like 10 of them on the site there were billions of these. Just shut the fuck up faggot.

What a retarded take. Nobody goes to see Smash Mouth shows while the Rolling Stones and Lynyrd Skynyrd still sell out stadiums. And yes, I know it's not the original members of Skynyrd anymore but they still sell out and it proves my point.

on Anon Babble in maybe 2010 or a couple years later somebody posted a real login/pass for deep throat heathers website
that was cool

There was an optimism for the future in the late 90's and early 00's. It was all about imitating what we thought the future was going to be like. That is why everyone was creating all these futuristic looking gadgets, transparent electronics, tv shows about future technology. Then at some point we realized there it is all hopeless. The 00's were one global disaster after another, and that carried on in to the 2010's and 2020's. We are and have been living in a dystopian hellscape for 15 years now. People are only really realizing it now. The 90's were the last decade that was untainted by the pessimism that is currently infecting everything.

However, you will always have children to grow up and look back at the past with nostalgia goggles.

I don't believe the effect you're describing is as inevitable as you think
The Force Awakens and Girlbusters and Peter Jackson's The Hobbit and an endless wave of billion dollar garbage are over a decade old now, and I've seen no materialization of people who grew up with them and now praise them as "underrated gems" the way one saw, say, the Star Wars prequels climb out of the toilet they were left in on release

And I find myself defending the Star Wars prequels not because they were good, but at least because they were uniquely bad, George Lucas in his senile autistic prime could *fuck up* a movie as beautifully as Tommy Wiseau

Mass media died because of social media, pop culture went with it

You have no idea how many porn forums there were giving away free usr/pw of stolen accounts. There were also weird cracks that you could use to break into some of these sites with backdoors. I remember getting into a fuckload of them. I think most of the ones are still around but I doubt you can get into them so easily anymore.

False premise xitter engagement bait on my board? It's worst than you think.

The 90's were the last decade that was untainted by the pessimism that is currently infecting everything.

The 90s had a recession, you heard all the time about how much of a raw deal Gen X had, that's how Kurt Cobain and Billy Corgan became "the voice of a generation" because they reflected that hopelessness. All that pessimism is just another generation transitioning into adulthood. It always happens, it's cyclical.

It's really noticeable in video games too

if you had a Pong machine and you got an Atari 2600, you'd go "Holy fuck this is incredible"

if you had an Atari 2600 and you got an NES, you'd go "Holy fuck this is incredible"

if you had an NES and you got a Sega Genesis, you'd go "Holy fuck this is incredible"

if you had a Sega Genesis and you got a PlayStation, you'd go "Holy fuck this is incredible"

if you had a PlayStation and you got a PS2, you'd go "Holy fuck this is incredible"

if you had a PS2 and you got an Xbox 360, you'd go "Okay this is... kinda neat, I guess

if you had an Xbox 360 and you got a PS4, you'd go "What's the point of this?"

if you had a PS4 and you got a PS5, you'd go "Are you fucking with me? Did you just take the PS4 and put it in a different box?"

Note that for that to be nostalgia or childhood wistfulness talking, a motherfucker would have to have been 11 years old for forty consecutive years, real Benjamin Button shit

Millennials never transitioned into anything, except sometimes the other gender.

Kids in the 90s might've been tangentially aware of the Stones, but the vast majority couldn't name any songs. Now we're on the 3rd generation of Sublime tribute bands.

Give it time, nostalgia is on a 20 years cycle. That's how you're getting people now championing nu metal, Deftones, Limp Bizkit, etc. In the 2030s you'll see video essays championing 2010s culture. It probably won't be The Force Awakens, probably more something like Guardians of the Galaxy or something, but it will happen.