It's as old as Revenge of the Sith was when it came out

It's as old as Revenge of the Sith was when it came out.

Woah buddy.

And its reputation has only declined while Revenge of the Sith gone from being universally beloved to multiversally beloved.

inb4 contrarian "THIS FILM KILLED THE FRANCHISE AND THERE WAS NOTHING RIAN COULD DO TO FOLLOW UP ON IT"

Both TFA and TLJ can be shit movies. Rian's movie is still garbage but half of that comes from confirming what should've been obvious to anyone with a brain from TFA's title crawl. JJ was leading everyone on with mystery box shit that only really works for television so he didn't actually have to write a meaningful continuation to what was done in episode 6. It was always about engagement farming. And look at what he did when he got brought back to do 9 instead of Trevorrow. He had every opportunity to course correct and do ANYTHING that was more faithful to "what TFA set up".
Instead, somehow Palpatine returned.
You can't convince me there was ever any road forward but doom, all because JJ and KK wanted to do a soft reboot but with a mary sue MC.

It's crazy to think of how each sequel has its own set of problems that make it uniquely cancerous

tfa totally undoes the ot, wipes out the ineffectual republic with the mega death star, makes han into a beat dead dad who only exists to die

tlj is a pretentious snoozefest that drops every shitty plot thread from force awakens to focus on the casino planet and the shittiest chase in history, makes Luke into a pathetic coward

tros is just a lazy, cobbled together mess because everyone stopped giving a shit at that point

It's not December yet, so no, it's not as old as Episode III yet. Keep up.

I'd be curious to know how much it would make in cinemas if they gave it a theatrical re-release.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the almost insane and baffling writing decisions of TLJ. It's more accurate to say JJ was in the middle of crashing this plane into the ground with no survivors when Rian suddenly took control and, instead of fucking it up do to incompetence, seems to have intentionally nosedived the entire franchise into the ground at a 90 degree angle and as fast as possible. If TLJ had been thr movie Star Wars shills want to pretend it was, TFA and TROS still kill it. If TFA and TROS were the films shills like to pretend they were, TLJ still kills it. Star Wars raped the candle at both ends. You can't fix the problems with the ST, but if you somehow could you'd do it by making the othet problems worse.

Was killing Luke off the original plan? His actual death didn't make any sense.

Straight male competent hero in [current year]

He was deader than an Alderaanian redshirt. The only thing deader than him was his dignity.

Not enough people realize this, almost all of the problems people have with Star Wars: The Last Jedi exist because of the Force Awakens. There was never going to be an answer to the question of where Luke Skywalker was and why he left that would have made sense or made fans happy. And Jar Jar Abrams left it for the next guy to answer the unanswerable question, cause he sure as hell hadn't thought that far ahead.

who talk first you talk first or I talk first

how about someo flashbacks?

what about SEVERAL zoom in and zoom outs in my movie flick

and the list goes on

Any answer to "where is Luke?" would've been better than "he's being sad on a rock and not caring about his friends dying because he failed to murder his nephew years ago, and now he's going to die on that rock from thinking too hard"
You have to be genuinely retarded to think that that was the best answer anyone could come up with.

you're wrong OP it was brand new when it came out.

loved online message boards when RotS came out. was a lot of fun.

hurr durr Dindu oogoo boogu

Anon Babble was so fucking tedious. about Star Wars, of all things. feel sorry for online youths today.

Why, do, you, talk, like, this?

Disney and RLM sisters, why hasn't it been re-evaluated like you said it would be?

i used to write in elegant prose like every post was an essay.

your wits go as you get older, anon. even 100% crazy people didn't start out that way. they're just the ones who survived to get to that point.

That is such fucking cope. Stop defending Rian.

TFA sucks because Jew Jew Abrams doesn't know what the point of a mystery is. Mysteries do not always need to be answered, they need to entice, he has that. The problem is for a mystery to entice it has to appear to have a solution and 99% of the time the best way to do that is to solve it. This is why he later shot himself in the foot with TROS.

But Rian, fuck no. TLJ sucks because Rian fucking hates the concept of continuity and thinks the relationship between cause-and-effect is racist. He did it because cause and effect shows how fucking stupid niggers are and I won't hear anything different.

Know what? Fuck this thread. In between posts I fucking had to deal with an actual fucking kike, a fucking jew. This kike bitch unironically went 'fellow whites' on me about confronting racism when it has fuck all to do with our job and the literal fucking spic at my job had to be the one to try and reign her in because she was eating up valuable time to ramble about this shit. This isn't a meeting kike, we have patients to see. She just started interrupting me in the middle of me trying to fucking do my job. She's an hour early! Go to the fucking breakroom you fucking kike! I'm trying to work!

Rian is the epitome of the postmodern drivel these undermensch spout. Cause and effect proves he wasn't a good boy and he dindu nuffin because identity triumphs actually doing something. Having to be logical restricts artists from writing like retarded 5 year olds. Leftists like Rian unironically want to do that thing that even that fat lazy fuck GRRM made fun of, landing aliens on Westeros because 'Hey it would be unexpected, but it wouldn't be good'. They hate it because of writers are rated by skill then none of their precious minorities would be allowed to write. Fuck all kikes. I wouldn't have gone so political if that fucking yenta hadn't so thoroughly reinforced my expectations of kikes.

Wordswordswords

There was never going to be another answer than that. Han already laid it out to Rey when he was expositioning about what happened. The moment you say that

Luke Skywalker is missing

in the opening crawl and have him absent while Han dies and the entire republic is nuked, while also saying there's a map that leads right to him that he purposefully broke in half, it's a wrap. There is nothing you can say after all that in a different movie that's making it any less insane.

Every interaction I've ever had with a kike just reinforced my dislike of them.

It's funny to me how they cannot be strawmanned. No matter how much you try to exaggerate, a jew will one up you by unironically saying something you said ironically.

THIS FILM KILLED THE FRANCHISE

Yes

AND THERE WAS NOTHING RIAN COULD DO TO FOLLOW UP ON IT

But Rian did follow up on it

he's being sad on a rock and not caring about his friends dying

Yeah but that heckin' TFA cliffhanger was totally worth ruining Luke, thanks JJ

Rewatched it (and the other two) yesterday for the first time in full since I saw it theatres. Visually looked worse than I remember. Like it really just reaffirmed that JJ doesn't know how to direct. The story is largely a mediocre riff on A New Hope. It adds almost nothing new or noteworthy to this universe. A few moments here and there are good but overall its such a soulless, by-committee movie.

That being said, it is leagues better than what followed. Last Jedi is laughably bad, tonally the worst SW film without a doubt other than Solo. It rips off key elements and sequences from Empire and Return and then has the audacity to 'subvert expectations' and kill anything of interest Force Awakens had going for it or set up. Rise of Skywalker meanwhile is a sloppy course correction because they realized how bad Rian fucked up but JJ is back again and he is shit too.

Any competent writer could've written that Luke wasn't there by choice, or that he had a better reason than being sad about his failed murder plot on his nephew.
Stop excusing Rian's shitty writing as if it was anyone else's fault

But Rian did follow up on it

TLJ does follow up on it, though. It isn't a good movie, but in a lot of respects it's a pretty conventional sequel that focuses on all the things TFA handed it. It's just shit.

Likewise, there are a number of things TFA could have done to be a safe reboot while still being appealing and interesting enough. It's just shit. The Last Jedi also left plenty of room to wrap up the story without it becoming The Rise of Skywalker. All of these films make unforced errors.

Take Rian's cock out of your mouth and stop pretending his abomination was even in the same leagues as the regular slop hollywood offers

You're stupid, sorry.

Yet everyone still hates it whereas ROTS was already quite well liked when this turd came out, curious

How in tf does a double bacon and egg mcmuffin have less calories than a regular bacon and egg mcmuffin and also cost the same? You brits and your quid sure are weird

It's 10,000 times better than any of the prequels.

a decade (10 years)
So why did they have the lightsaber that fell from the cloud city???

One positive i can say about tlj is i really liked the production design, i thought it looked more like a star wars movie than tfa.

10,000 x 0 is still 0, tranny.

I actually quite liked force awakens, the other 2 sequels were pure coal though

The lack of an overarching plan for the sequel trilogy killed the franchise, but it fucked TLJ more than it fucked TFA.
TFA at least had the luxury of creating its own new status quo from scratch. The Expanded Universe was shunted into non-canon status, there was a clean slate for what happened after RotJ, TFA had a free hand to just make shit up and look like it was setting things up when in fact, because there was no plan, all Abrams had to do was shit out a bunch of hints he never expected to have to resolve.
Then Rian comes along to do TLJ and he's in this fucking nightmare situation. "OK, what was TFA setting up that I have to develop here?" Answer: loldunno, we had no plan so you have to choose what happens next. "OK... what do I need to be setting up for the last movie in the trilogy?" Answer: loldunno, there's no plan for that either, just do what you want to do and let whoever directs next worry about it.
Then Rise of Skywalker ended up how it ended up because it had to actually resolve things in light of two movies which really didn't gel together.
Original trilogy worked much the same but at least Lucas was giving oversight and there was at least some thought given to how to make each movie build properly on the previous one. It wasn't an improvised mess where Rian didn't yes-and JJ's contributions and JJ didn't yes-and Rian's stuff, and Disney (and Kathleen Kennedy) should have exercised the oversight necessary to force them to yes-and each other.
Imagine thinking the biggest problem with the Prequel Trilogy was that it the overarching plot was too tightly planned out.

Mike Stoklasa called it one of the greatest movies ever made.

His only complaint was that Rey didn’t have sex with Finn.

This movie is Red Letter Media’s fault.

i think it's obvious now they had no plan and just wanted that particular lightsaber because connection, but they had to write a line or people would complain.

apparently The Mandalorian season 3 or whatever has Yoda's lightsaber, which he lost somewhere else, and the official canon behind-the-scenes answer is it was secondary secret duplicate lightsaber.

the irony is, however they plug that hole, it's not going to satisfy anyone.

This but ironically.

almost all of the problems people have with Star Wars: The Last Jedi exist because of the Force Awakens.

Holy coperino! Rian shit the bed all by himself. His movie is completely disconnected to the TFA.

This guy gets it

Unfathomably based

It would disastrous PR for Disney if they re-realese it this year and made less than the RotS re-release.

apparently JJ's original plan was to keep Luke away until the third instalment where he would eventually be grand revealed and talk no jutsu to kylo to save the day
He should honestly never have been hired. He captured lightning in a bottle with Star Trek 09 and that should have been apparent after both MI:3 and Into Darkness

while this movie is bad, its functional. it sets up a conflict and new threats and characters while setting up future conflict and return of luke. the mistakes could be fixed or glossed over with sequels. its hard to believe how fucking bad it gets from here. how they spend billions buying this franchise and developing films and then the movie trilogy they produce has no coherency or communication between writers/directors from movie to movie. literally setup random plots and let the next guy figure out what it means. put characters in situations and shrug shoulders and say not my problem, you do something with them. thats the most insane thing ive ever heard or seen in all my years. not even a generic outline of plot and character relationships and themes to follow. just one director does his own thing and other guy goes completely different direction. how this happened needs to be studied.

He's too powerful to keep alive

They didn't know what to do with him, so I'm sure death was always in the cards. I think getting outright Kylo'd could have been more interesting, but it doesn't work with the inspirational legend angle Johnson wanted to do.

TFA is unironically perfectly serviceable. It's reused elements are no worse than those reused by ROTJ and certainly much better than the pointless shoehorning of familiar elements to the Prequels. TFA becomes terrible in retrospect because of it's successors and the reality is you can't seperate TFA from TLJ or Rise of the Skywalkers. Is TFA worse than the prequels? No, if anything it's much better but the fact it's followed by two films even worse than AOTC does not help it.

all three movies are terrible
TFA did the most damage to the IP however.
perhaps people have forgotten the discourse because of the fact that TLJ is the one that put a bullet in Star Wars ultimately, but when this shitstain of a film (TFA) dropped it was absolutely denounced by most people as a soulless mouse version of ANH (which it is). It came out off the back of the MeToo movement and legitimately is just a reskin of George's work with a more acutely leftist agenda at the foreground.
It really, really, REALLY cannot be understated just how much damage this did, because the only "fans" of it were the youngest of millennials and perhaps any unfortunately brainwashed generations beneath them, as well as the mentally ill moviegoers who pressured the studio into actioning a lot of these decisions already
When Ardnt left the project it should have been the biggest of red flags for anyone. I guess I've been on the internet long enough to remember when Matthew Vaughn was the frontrunner to direct before they lost him (tbf he didn't exactly inspire confidence in his work after this point, but up until here he was on a pretty big roll and Stardust was a hugely popular credit for him to take the reins).... then to appease the (very minor by today's standards) internet backlash of him not boarding the project they rugpulled and announced Abrams as the director.
That is the moment it was truly over. We knew we would get lens flares (we did) and crash zooms (we also did) and Star Wars would no longer have a modicum of the soul that had elevated it into pop culture history books. TFA was legitimately a death sentence to the franchise.
HOWEVER
being fucking STAR WARS meant that they had an extra life after this calamity. Because it was THE MOST popular IP of all time. They absolutely could have course corrected with TLJ and just taken the huge L on TFA but they were high on hubris. Rian (Kathleen Kennedy's god son btw) came in and decided to shit the place up even further

The assignment was to wipe the shit and ill will off the franchise and this movie did it until the next sequel came out.
As a movie it's one-third clumsy rip-pff, one-third fanservice, and one-third shit you could have made a good movie with.
It beats TPM because there's no Jar Jar.

(You) are unironically the lowest common denominator. There should be less than zero weight attributed to your opinion on film and television. In fact there should be a quick 3-5 multiple choice answer questionnaire that filters and bans retards like you from visiting this board on the pretence that you have nothing worthwhile to offer up in the form of opinion whatsoever.

TFA did the most damage to the IP however

weird take, palpatine hadn't even returned and no plot lines had been dropped yet

Point out where I was wrong because it looks like you're just seething because it's the fucking truth.

Not him but opening the new trilogy with the reveal that nothing the heroes did in the OT mattered and that Han Solo failed as a father, husband and even as a businessman was a strange choice

be ginger first order commander

first order zealot

hates the republic

loves the empire

goes to bed in his first order tighty whities surrounded by plushies of tie fighters

but sith with daddy issues was mean to you once

so instead of just blowing his shit up with turbolasers as he flies off in his ship become a spy with literally the only outcome being exile/death/lifetime imprisonment

be assassin

hired by sith lord to find his granbaby

find parents

"SHE IS NOT ON JAKKU"

oh ok then

*kills them and leaves*

be sith lord

about to win and become mtf trans icon

all the girl who hates you and wants to kill you has to do is kill you

"GOOD... NOW STRIKE ME DOWN SO THAT I CAN TAKE OVER YOUR BODY. I REPEAT, THAT BY KILLING ME YOU WILL IN FACT BE FALLING INTO MY TRAP. UNLESS YOU ARE ALL THE JEDI AND REVERSE UNO MY FORCE LIGHTNING IN WHICH CASE THAT DOESN'T COUNT SO DON'T DO THAT."

dagger, "Somehow Palpatine returned", cloning (only secrets the sith knew(ignore the clone wars btw)), death star destroyers, fortnite, etc.

TROS was worse than TLJ

hes right you have gay opinions