Realistically, would Luke's Academy have been any more successful than the Jedi Order of the Old Republic?

Realistically, would Luke's Academy have been any more successful than the Jedi Order of the Old Republic?
The benefit of training selfless monks from infancy is less attachment=less chance of dark side influence. Seems like Luke was just going to train a shitton of Dark Jedi on accident.

Luke works better as a lone lawful good jedi. The jedi order doesn't suit him, he is like an Empire era Qui-Gon

I don't fucking care. Get a life.

The prequel Jedi where wrong.
They dehumanized themselves for the Republic and ignored the will of The Force.

You're on Anon Babble.
You don't have a life.

How did he prevent the jedi teachers sexually abusing the kids, or the kids sexually abusing eachother? This has potential to become Epstein's island in space.

They had a pretty good track record thoughbeit. 1000 years without any Sith appearances and no major Dark Jedi incidents to speak of. Hard to imagine even the most liberal of governments allowing the Jedi Order to exist if they had a trend of making meth head supermen.

Didn't that happen all the time in the old EU? Like going to the dark side was kind of a right of passage in the new Jedi Order. Luke went evil a few times, Mara Jade, like half their, Han, and Leia's children, a bunch of videogame characters. Everybody's gotta have an excuse to shoot lightning.

They couldn't even detect that Palpatine was a sith lord. The Jedi got completely btfo in the prequels and that's the point. They lost their values and power because they spent all their time practicing twirly combat techniques instead

Luke didn't have any age requirements for his academy. I think they were mostly adults.

Sith & Dark Jedi are different.
They had several Dark Jedi incidents.

No vetting process either, I presume.

I mean he knew nost of the people he had teach right? Kyle Katarn, his wife, Corran Horn was an x-wing pilot from the rebellion. Really it was more of an issue of nepotism than anything else.

It wasn't because they spent their time perfecting their combat that they were wrong. It's that they had become an arm of the state. Good bootlicker Jedi like Obiwan do exactly as the council orders to the letter. And the Council does what the senate wants without exceeding their mandate.

They lost their values and power because they spent all their time practicing twirly combat techniques instead

No... They were losing their connection to the Force because it was swinging toward the Darkside.

Thus why I mentioned them as two separate things. And they had no major Dark Jedi Incidents on the level of Exar Kun or anything. Nothing destabilizing like pre-ruusan reformed Jedi.

1000 years without any Sith appearances and no major Dark Jedi incidents to speak of.

Didn’t the New Jedi Order have a student turn evil every other weekend, who digs up a superweapon and kills a bunch of people before they themselves get killed?

Oh you are a Disney fan.

Like clockwork. Bonus points if they were mindfucked by a Sith artifact or spirit.

Actually Tenebrous fate is cruel even by 90-00s EU standarts

Yeah he's like a vegetable that Plaguesis keeps "alive" for experiments.

Nah, Tenebrous getting smushed by a rockfall ain't shit compared to Venamis being slowly husked out by Plagueis's experiments.

Tenebrous getting smushed by a rockfall

he doesn't know

Anakin achieved balance for the Force by killing the Jedi

I dislike this interpretation because it makes the Force into a purely malicious thing. It proves Kreia utterly correct and paints the Force as some abhorrent witchcraft whose users should be distrusted and repressed on the level of psykers from 40k. I prefer balance being the elimination of the Dark Side.

I love Kriea.

balance being the elimination

read that again and say it outloud, you just went full retard, never go full retard

She's great. I prefer some room for her to be wrong on some things though.

This nigga says that's impossible, because the dark side IS the Force.

I hate that they got THE Doctor for this shit role.

I prefer that the Dark Side be recognized as a perversion of the Force rather than as a desired aspect of it. "Balance" should be achieved by not having any of it. It's a bad thing that no one would tolerate.

1000 years without any Sith appearances

Because they were subverting the Republic from within. They played it smart.

But you can hurl force lighting at a goon to save somebody right?
Pull the ole Kyle Katarn.

Hey, wait a second.

it makes the Force into a purely malicious thing.

The Prequel Jedi were doing it all wrong and that pissed it off. Not to mention treating its son, their Jesus, like shit. The Force is basically the biblical God.

Sure but watch out if you put too many points in Dark Side powers you'll end up killing your asian gf in a cutscene.

"And that is abhorrent to me"

"Balance" should be achieved by not having any of it. It's a bad thing that no one would tolerate.

That works for a series of films aimed at children like Lucas intended. Black and white, good vs evil, no gray areas and no in-betweens. The EU guys were writing their stuff for adults so balance meant both light and dark which makes sense IRL with how people actually work. To be all light is to be perfect which human beings very much are not. We're flawed, making us both light and dark. Full dark, you're an evil psychopath. Both light and dark, you're the average person.

Imagine believing the Force is so pathetic that it can't self-regulate. The dark side exists because the Force demands it do so, the same Force that cut the Rakata off from itself and doomed the species to atavism and extinction because it decided to. If the Force had beef with the dark side, the dark side would cease to be, but it doesn't, ergo the dark side is FUNDAMENTALLY a deliberate aspect of the Force, and a welcome one.

I think the Jedi of the PT should have been destroyed as a matter of course but not due to the Force trying to achieve balance. The Jedi needed to be reset because they had degenerated to the point of being unfixable, not because there needs to be Dark and Light in equal amounts.

but watch out if you put too many points in Dark Side powers you'll end up killing your asian gf in a cutscene.

This is unironically how it works. It's why Anakin personally killed those kids, the Jedi and the Separatists. He had to farm Dark Side EXP to get the cool powers.

being flawed

Sucks for you

It so nice having a real Star Wars thread.

From a certain point of view.

are mandalorians just humans that gave themselves a special name? if not, what's biologically different about them?
and are there any mandalorians named Amanda?

in other words, kreia was right

It's a Space-Viking Religion.
Other cultures get absorbed by it.

Mandalorian is a culture, not a species.

The problem as I see it is that the Dark Side has too much control over the user's agency. Once you dabble in the Dark Side even a little bit you completely lose control and become a power hungry monster that breeds death and destruction wherever they gain it. And it's insidious because even something as little as missing your family can cause you to fall.

If the Dark Side is such a necessary aspect to the Force such that the Force enforces its existence in equal parts with the Light Side, then the Force is just trying to have endless religious wars between mind-controlling supermen and one side is compelled to dominate the wills of anyone they are around. Kreia is right. We should try to kill the Force and anyone who attempts to learn of its use.

At which point you just have the warp from 40k. Force users have a 50/50 of snapping into uber-dictators. The vaunted democracy and happy hippy liberalism of the setting would be impossible to maintain for any amount of time.

Weren't most of students in old, new and present academies essentially turning to dark side because jedi masters just wouldn't allow them to go hug their mothers and have sex every once in a while?

Andor, which is probably the most "serious" and well-made of the Disney era, still has that… polished emptiness sometimes, you know? Like it's technically excellent but something soulful is missing.

The original Star Wars — even the OT and parts of the prequels — had this rawness, this mythic feeling underneath the adventure.
Now it often feels more like prestige TV cosplay: serious faces, big sets, big speeches… but the magic, the weirdness, the rough edges — gone.

I respect Andor for trying to tell a slow-burn political story in Star Wars, but yeah… it doesn't scratch that same deep itch.

If you could fix modern Star Wars in one move, what would you do?

the dark side is more like a virus, not even life itself, just something that hijacks life

are mandalorians just humans that gave themselves a special name?

They are basically humans/zabraks/rodians/whoever who adopted into culture of exiled native population of Coruscant (hence their hateboner for Republic)

It's a Space-Viking Religion.

Not exactly. Outside of Canderous quote: Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders were more like Francs because they became more organised and instead of raids went into full-fledged war with Republic

We should try to kill the Force and anyone who attempts to learn of its use.

The Jedi supplicate themselves beneath the Force; the Sith seek dominion over it. By and large, neither path is ideal, but hating on the Force like Kreia did is like being mad at gravity.

Andor, which is probably the most "serious" and well-made of the Disney era, still has that… polished emptiness sometimes, you know? Like it's technically excellent but something soulful is missing.

You have all seasons of TCW anon.

No. The jedi order lasted for thosands of years. Luke's barely lasted for a generation before fucking itself due to laxity.

IMO there should be a compromise between the two models. Jedi SHOULD be involved somewhat in politics and have authority and actually make large scale changed and have a degree of stability, not JUST being roving cowboys dealing with small personal level disputes. BUT also have a branch with freer autonomy that can do some things like that as well.

Basicly having both a more structured orderly jedi main body system that maintains standards, then also basically have jedi rangers who loose some of thier official political authority in exchange for freeer ad-hoc work. Preferably they can only achieve this rank after like 5 years of full on knighthood so there is a degree of standards before releasing laser psychics on the public.

Basicly have a built in pressure valve for Qui gon types and various autists.

If you could fix modern Star Wars in one move, what would you do?

what you basically seem to be wanting is something teenage, something emotional or adolescent
which is not an inherently bad thing. "I'm 14 and this is edgy or deep" has it's place in life and I think it's good for a person to always be able to tap into that energy even when they're old
They almost had this again with Kylo but they botched it hard

The light and the dark side are what make the force. You can’t eliminate either one and have balance.

Timothy Zahn gets Star Wars at a fundamental level —

the balance between political intrigue and pulpy adventure,

the personal stakes mixed with galactic ones,

characters who feel rooted in real moral dilemmas, not just shallow tropes.

He’s the guy who made Thrawn this layered, almost tragic figure instead of just a "bad guy," and he built tension without needing constant pew-pew-pew or endless cameos.
Plus, his storytelling respects the audience's intelligence without feeling like it's "above" Star Wars' emotional core.

Bringing Zahn on as a screenwriting advisor would immediately re-ground the whole franchise in character-driven storytelling, instead of just visual spectacle.

I love your instinct there.
Would you want him advising just a couple of shows/movies — or straight-up overseeing the whole story direction?

Just have the Jedi be like Power Rangers or something and the galaxy would be fine. Have them be proper heroes instead of monks.

Coruscant is Zhell turf; Taungshitters get fucked

Bringing Zahn on as a screenwriting advisor would immediately re-ground the whole franchise in character-driven storytelling, instead of just visual spectacle.

Nope because we all seen Rebels

So what you're telling me is Dooku was right.

Irvin Kershner — the guy who directed The Empire Strikes Back.

Kershner was a really interesting choice back then because he wasn't some flashy action director — he came from a background of character-driven dramas.
George Lucas basically trusted him to bring emotional depth to Star Wars while Lucas focused on the big-picture story.

That’s why Empire feels so intimate and human even though it’s a space fantasy —

The love story feels real.

Luke's struggle feels personal.

The betrayals hurt.

Every character has doubts and weaknesses.

Unfortunately, Kershner passed away in 2010 — but the spirit of what he brought (character first, spectacle second) is exactly what modern Star Wars is missing.

If they found someone like Kershner today — a director who isn't trying to make "content," but wants to make you feel something — it could save the whole thing.

Bringing Zahn on as a screenwriting advisor would immediately re-ground the whole franchise in character-driven storytelling, instead of just visual spectacle.

We get it, you're a boring nerd who hates fun and the Rule of Cool. Newsflash, MOST people love the latter. Star Wars and visual spectacle goes hand in hand. Without it, it ain't Star Wars.

didn't zahn say he had nothing to do with thrawn in rebels and ahsoka

It's a shame he soldout to the mouse to write more Thrawn.

The Jedi want to work under it while the Sith want to control it. True balance is working WITH the Force.

And fucks the Mouse in the ear by slowly re-canonizing Legends stuff. Zahn plays the long game like a boss.

No more Skywalker stories, it's forever tainted by the sequels. The vastness of the Star Wars galaxy really feels contrained by these Skywalker, Palpatine relations.

But they are monks. thier powers come from being monks. Monks or sadists (sith way of doing it).

Galaxy is a big place, so you need proper systems to actually deal with big systematic things. Doesnt mean you cant have plucky rangers too, but you really should have both diplomats AND cowboys.

That's what they are doing with starfighter I hope dwamhg

Stop being a quisling.
You sound like a battered house wife.
I'm never reading Disney canon ever, Fuck Dr. Aphra, Fuck Mr. Bones.

Was hoping The Mandalorian was finally getting us outside six degrees of separation from anyone named 'Skywalker', but then Filoni filonied and threw us right back in.

Nope. Dooku wanted to burn down the thing cause the order was working at 80% efficiency instead of 100%. But guess what, burning it down would bring it to 0% efficency.

Instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, keep what works, but find a way to adress shit that doesnt.

wanting things back the way they were before they totally sucked is being a Quisling

Sneed

the order was working at 80% efficiency

My ass.

seems he saw the writing on the wall. By the time the core worlds authorized the use of a mercenary army to genocide their outer rim secessionists and elected the Jedi as generals of that army, they Jedi were dead and the Republic was fubar.

But at the end of the day, Dooku was working for the guy who set all that in motion. I don't think Dooku would have been OK with the empire as he actually believed in the separatists cause.

I thought Dooku's beef was the Order being subservient to the Senate at its expense, but that might have changed (I still haven't watched those Clone Wars "lost episodes").

why do the people act like the empire has been some long lived thing? They've barely been in charge for a few years

It's literally the only way to keep star wars interesting kek. The "galaxy" is extremely tiny and everything is known. So you have to have existing people turn evil or old enemies return. Only other way was for enemies to arrive from another galaxy with the Vong.

He had gone rogue and was trying to do a double-traitor thing but in his hubris he somehow forgot the whole utterly corrupting dark side thing.

23 years of Peace.

Because we never get that impression from the OT; Obi-Wan is ancient and talks of the Republic and the Clone Wars as being old history, not something 25 years ago or whatever.

I like how Dooku was considered a potential Chosen One before Anakin.

who was the original person that came up with the prophecy and why did people believe in the prophecy and give it credit?
or is it the case that throughout the millennia the constantly go "no that wasnt the REAL chosen one, this guy is/I am!"

I prefer balance being the elimination of the Dark Side.

It is.

Well it did happen in his lifetime so barring him being a 4000 year old wizard…
Also, didn’t the empire overhaul all the education systems to essentially downplay collective awareness of the republic and the force? Isn’t that why Han Solo starts as a sort of force atheist?

I heard that they wanted to a High Republic era (500y before Episode 1) movie but I bet they gonna get a Skywalker somehow in there, if not him then Yoda. There are so many stories in the EU that are more interesting like

The Crucible was known for capturing and training slaves through harsh methods, turning them into warriors or selling them to the highest bidder.

Something like a farmer getting captured by them and then having to fight his way out would be much more interesting than anything related to the sequel era SW

New mandalorians are super gay. They were ruined by George Lucas first in the clone wars and a second time by disney

Yeah it's just more Jedi navelgazing. The prophecy was as true as the prophecies the Bene Gesserit seeded in Dune.

The Jedi stealing kids was always creepy as fuck and it was supposed to be. The Jedi as an institution are not good guys they're the less evil guys. The destruction of both the Jedi and Sith is the best outcome and even Luke came to understand that after he actually became a Jedi Master.

20 years is an eternity to a child. It may as well be 100 years, same thing. And star wars is a children's story

I remember this old EU story of couple wanting their baby back after the order took her.

The Clone Wars was always something that happened a couple of decades ago. It's the Republic that was old as hell, but still became the Empire around the same time.

Clone War Republic was almost identical to Empire.

Is having no emotions really a light side trait or was that just a safeguard put up to prevent people from turning? Damn, having force users around is actually kinda scary. Any force user at any time can be taken over by this parasitic evil dark side that makes them violent.

if they did it right, it's supposed to be more about having complete control over your emotions, not having no emotions.
Trying to pretend you have no emotions just leads to deep repression that the dark side can wiggle into. A person can be angry but control themselves and not chimp out. A person who pretends to not have any emotions but is angry will eventually sublimate that anger into coldly enacted violence, in Star Wars that being genocide for example

That is the gist of it. The Jedi weren't handling it very well either but a Dark Side bereft Force is, in fact, the balance that everyone should be aiming for.

What's the most attention grabbing, interesting book one can read whose only read a few Star Trek and no Star Wars
Looking for something that'll suck me in

Luke is good at killing dark side users, so he can just kill his students if they have darth thoughts or dreams

Darth Plagueis

There is no light side. There is only the force and the dark side.
Your body isn't in balance if 50% of it are healthy and the other cancer cells. You don't even want a little bit. You want 0% cancer cells.

The Thrawn Trilogy laid the foundation of the EU and is pretty good.

Scoundrels
If you want an Ocean's 11 type heist.

Dark Forces Trilogy.

Don't forget Luke had Jedi ghosts on speed dial. Obiwan and Yoda would be able to tell him how the old Jedi Order functioned and why. Hopefully he would've accounted for the problems that arises from not indoctrinating Jedi children from early childhood.

Oh no, People have a republic and rights, but its full of beurocracy, how horrible!
Mercenary army thing is retarded. The fact that the republic didnt have a standing army is stupid. really the shit as I remember it was that duku didnt like all the red tape and political bogging down in shit like the naboo trade blockade. Thats why I said a seni-government organization should be prefered. so there is both a soft power arm in offical diplomacy and a hard power arm in jedi cowboys.
It was, but a degree of that is necissary for legitamacy. would you prefer the Jedi to have no accountability to representitive government? Just a rogue organization doing whatever it wants?

Mercenary army thing is retarded.

The banality of evil.

Retarded Starshit question

Over 100 replies

Starshit faggots really need culling here.

Qui-Gon

Lawful Good

He was chaotic good at best.

lawful/chaotic alignment always bothered me. lawful according to who? palpatine? the senate? One could just as easily argue that Dooku was being lawful when he decided to back the confederacy.

checked and accurate

lawful just means being orderly and rules based, it's not concerned about the particular set of rules you're following

Then Qui-Gon was lawful from a certain point of view.

You’re right. Balance does not mean light and dark are equal. Dark side is an abuse of the force. Balance is what the Jedi always intended but they were complacent in the prequels.