The only trek movie that counts to me is TMP

And yet you still watch their morbidly obese alcoholic unfunny like way past their prime asses like yo this isn't 2011 or 2012 or 2013 or 2014 or even 15 or 16 like they have been irrelevant for so long. How any of you could still be watching? Most of their shit blows my fucking mind like it all. Got tiresome and played out a long fucking time ago. I feel genuinely sad for you that this is what you have to watch that you watch these dudes over and over again who aren't even a fraction of as funny as they used to be who who care even less than they did before, which I get it. The whole point is to not care but it's like they they just don't and it's like it's one thing to not care and it's it comes off funny. It's nothing to not care and it's just it's just why are you doing this other than the fact that you all understand that you won't have a leg to stand up like this is your life. You need to keep your shitty fucking YouTube channel going because if you don't have it there is absolutely nothing for you to fall back on because you're like almost fucking 50 years old and you have nothing except a shitty fucking movie about a space cop to fall back on and be like oh look what I did. I had a YouTube channel and a movie faggots the lot of you

part 2

there was a part 1?

i aint reading all that nigga, have a good day.

It wasn't called part 1, but Mike and the drunk canadian did an episode

6 years ago

lol

The 4k uhd came out, good excuse for them to talk about star trek some more

When I saw this I thought maybe they'd talk about the other movies in later reviews, but then they say they don't like them. Their relationship with Star Trek is fucking weird.

Damn it really took them 6 years to make part 2

We’ve progressed so far into the maelstrom of homogenization that people would rather watch the reviews of things than the things themselves. Spooky.

Mike and Rich will talk about all of Star Trek, even multiple times on the same specific Trek, instead of even once making an episode on DS9.

Did you miss all the interesting character development and motivations? Khan quoting Moby Dick was a little too subtle for you?

Khan quoting Moby Dick was a little too subtle for you?

Wow, thats deep because Khan, is like...obsessed. He's obsessed with Kirk, who's like his own white whale. I never put that together before.

aaarggghhh how dare you leave us on an uninhabited world and leave us to our own devices like we asked you to? Kiiirrrrrkkkkkkkkk

Dogshit

They have both said they don't like it it, except when Mike says sometimes he likes it. He also hates Voyager but has said that he has watched that one as much as TNG. Weird? Weird.

The algo only pushes TOS and TNG. Not to say DS9 wasn’t good. It’s just that the show had no reach in comparison.

spend 90% of the episode comparing every cut and redit of each DVD release.

Only thing interesting was Rich's take about how this movie was really about Star Trek's rebirth.

i don't like them anymore

hey jay

hey mike

i hear there is anew movie by acclaimed director Matt Reeves

oh?

yes! The Batman

FUCK THAT! STUPID SUPER HERO DOGSHIT VERY COOL WHAT ARE NEXT WE HATE IT WE ARE BETTER THAN ALL OF THAT!!!

YES! THEY BROKE NEW GROUND HA HA HA HA GET FUCKED BATMAN!

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anyway, i hear there is anew spider-man movie, lets watch it and review it!

yes, I will have to go back and watch the ones I missed for this!!! FUCK BATMAN BTW

YEAH FUCK WATCHING A M<OVIE BY A CELEBRATED DIRECTOR!

WE WATCHED THE MINE CRAFT MOVIE FOR THE ALGO BTW!!!!

Hey so we watched a bunch of movies we do like, maybe we should discuss them?

Nah, just compile it in a "catch-up" video and spend 2 minutes on each one

The point is that there are plenty of themes in the movie that are tied specifically to the characters themselves. Kirk is afraid of growing old, and he can't appreciate what he has. Khan represents a threat from the aging Kirk's past, come back to haunt him. Spock, unlike Kirk, understand what sacrifice means, and his own sacrifice allows Kirk to gain a new understanding and appreciation of his own life. To say it's all just a movie about war maneuvers is extremely disingenuous, even if it's also great at those aspects too.

2.) Paramount scrambled to cash in on the Star Wars hype

That's always funny to me. Quick we need to get in on the star wars excitement! Copy 2001 a space odyssey!

Everyone except Shatner and Nimoy were poor and the money from the movie was going to be their retirement funds.

Aww, that’s sad. I thought they were all getting by doing conventions and guest appearances. Also royalties from TOS syndication.

I took a double take.
watching them and Angry Joe during Picard and Halo was my therapy.
it's really them about being in half broken ships, unable to shoot at each other, and Kirk violating gentilmen's agreements. The only thing that ties it to the first movie is Spock's friendship with Kirk, which is mentioned in the opening scene of TMP.

one of the best sci-fi movies of all time

no normie is this stupid
may be, but at least they had a great plot twist at the end rather than some vague pretentious bullshit.

too much of a brainlet for 2001

You should probably kys, but for real.

I give it the fact that it makes a reference to a TOS episode. But the fact that every following trek movie can't, you know, adapt any OTHER TOS episode makes me resentful of Khan.

Khan is too low brow for you, but 2001 is pretentious? What a retard.

4 > 6 > 2 > 3 >> 5 > 1

. But the fact that every following trek movie can't, you know, adapt any OTHER TOS episode makes me resentful of Khan.

Exactly. Virtually every TOS episode contained elements could have been spun off into a movie. The worst thing about TOS is that's it's so episodic that a lot of concepts it brought up were never fleshed out.

Whale enthusiast?

Roddenberry was the one that wanted TMP to be like 2001. He did not want it to be a Star Wars clone. Paramount pulled Roddenberry's ability to have any say on the Wrath of Khan, which is why Wrath of Khan is more of an action movie compared to TMP.

Goddammit. Each one of those meals was like $0.50 back then, wasn't it?

TMP is the only "Star Trek" movie in that it's the only one that really feels like an episode of Star Trek.
The TOS movies aren't very Star Trek otherwise but they're great for other reasons. Wrath of Khan is just an action movie and if not for the ships, technology, and characters, is barely Star Trek at all in the type of story it tells.

I understand what they're saying and I've heard this opinion from various Trek fans throughout the years.

The overarching major plot of the TOS movies is dealing with the cold war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire, which is finally resolved by Undiscovered Country. That plot was originally set up in TOS episodes focusing on the Klingons. The only reason you don't recognize them as a TOS episode plot is because of how important the Klingons became to the lore thanks to the TOS movies and TNG.

Yes, they've all talked about it as have other golden age/silver age TV stars.

Wrath of Khan is basically a full movie version of The Balance of Terror. The Voyage Home is also very similar in tone to comedy episodes of TOS like The Trouble With Tribbles. If you think that all of Star Trek is like TMP then you have a very narrow definition of Star Trek.

I thought it was more about Hollywood secretly hating sci-fi movies. Like some musical won best picture instead of 2001 when it came out. They love the diehard consumer base, but are resentful its associated with nerdy uncool virgins and that market will never expand. Same thing happened with B5. Hollywood took ST away from Roddenberry, gave it to some Hollywood insider and said "make this for half the price".

and then they barely talk about the movie. so fucking lame.

Klingons were punching bags till Undiscovered Country made them "le soviets". They had no development in the TOS movies other than one of their ships being borrowed.

Balance of Terror without the bigotry story between Spock and the crewman

without the element of friendship and kinship between Kirk and the Romulan Commander

the Romulan Commander is portrayed as sympathetic, is great to his crew, meanwhile Khan is a tyrant who wastes the lives of his devoted followers selfishly for vengeance

They quite literally could not be any different. I didn't even read your next example.

The only similarities between Wrath of Khan and Balance of Terror are the ship combat portions being portrayed like submarine combat in WW2.

good list. I would put 6 over 4 personally, everything else I agree with.

You are talking about character dynamics, and of course the character dynamics are different in different stories. Your original argument was that no other movie than TMP felt like a Trek movie, and my point is that you're wrong.

Did you ever realize that the Klingon battlecruisers have little squished upside down Death Stars in the front?

No, I'm mainly talking about the type of story that is told to the audience which is what I said in my original post.

The story of Balance of Terror is that Kirk and the Enterprise are facing an unknown enemy and the episode shows pains to show the similarities in characters between Kirk and his crew and the Romulans and their commander. The b-story is about racism from one of the Enterprise's crew and how it has no place on the bridge. The episode has many lessons -- it aired during the Cold War when submarine commanders could potentially be having such stand-offs in the real world. The lesson is that we're not so different, ultimately.

Wrath of Khan is a vengeance story. There is no lesson in it. It's bereft of Star Trek's moralism and is a more conventional action movie story.

If you can't see the difference then yeah, I guess we don't have anything else to discuss because you're one of those people that just arbitrarily digs in their heels about something they've decided for themselves.

The main theme of Wrath of Khan isn't vengeance, that's just the motivation for the villain. The main theme is learning to appreciate life as you age, which is Kirk's journey. Have you even watched the film, or do you just get your opinions from reading summaries on wikipedia?

The main theme is learning to appreciate life as you age, which is Kirk's journey.

which according to you makes it like Balance of Terror?

Anon, you're moving the goalposts so much that you don't even know what you were originally arguing. You clearly just want to argue for the sake of it so I'm gonna say fuck off and stop replying to my posts.

heh

It's like Balance of Terror because it's focused on two ships engaging in a game of hunter vs prey. The character motivations are different, but they aren't just a standard revenge story.

My argument was that there are a lot of different types of Trek plots, and that people who think that all Trek is is just 2001 clones are wrong about the series. One of the great strengths of the series is how it can change themes and styles from episode to episode and movie to movie, while also retaining an overall feel to the universe. I honestly do not understand how people can have watched all of TOS, or any other mainline Trek, and yet think TMP is the only TOS movie that feels like Trek. It's like you watched a completely different series than I did.

i didn't get this image till just now, three hours after watching the video. am i cooked

you're okay anon.

If they made a movie that was like Spock's Brain, it would technically resemble a TOS episode but nobody would say it's "like a Star Trek episode".

i mean, thats an exceptionally bad one though. If they made an movie about a ancient god people on earth used to worship they puts them into a challenge or something, that would be VERY TOS.

I get what they're going for, it's the only that feels like Star Trek, but the problem is even TOS by that logic didn't feel like Star Trek half the time.

Rich specifically said he loves Wrath of Khan, it's one of his favorite movies, but it's not Star Trek and it's kind of a harbringer of what came after.
What's surprising is he doesn't like ST4.

At least Space Cop confirmed what people say but few test out: you can't make a bad comedy on purpose, if you do it'll be shitty and boring, bad comedies that are enjoyable are only the result of trying to make a good movie that's not a comedy but you're so incompetent that it's laughable.

That’s a big assertion

Rich briefly talked about it way back in the day, in like season 1 of Discovery, about how the Dominion War was a necessary exercise for ST writers because TNG was so filled with solving things by treaty and cooperation that the Federation would run into a wall when there's a force that isn't willing to listen to reason, is too powerful to brush aside, and isn't effectively a mindless entity like the Borg but have their own political goals.
Though he never said if he liked it or not.

I always like the Undiscovered Country

DS9 is in kind of a wierd spot because as much as some people love it, no one fucking watched it when it aired if the Nielsen ratings are anything to go by. It was constantly on the verge of cancellation. There's also the fact that it is, as I once heard someone put it "consistently 'pretty good' with some great episodes, but never reaches the low lows or high highs of TNG"

Convention appearances did not pay a lot back then.

Wrath of Khan is a vengeance story. There is no lesson in it. It's bereft of Star Trek's moralism and is a more conventional action movie story.

Nta but that was in TOS, about how vengeance and not letting go aren't healthy and is ultimately self-destructive.

"But their planet's dead. Does it matter now which one of them was right?"

"Not to Lokai and Bele. All that matters to them is their hate."

"Do you suppose that's all they ever had, sir?"

"No… but that's all they have left."

There are the glory days of the Gene L. Coon run through all of season 1 to parts of season 2 but I barely consider a lot of those S3 episodes as being Trek. There are some awful stinkers.

youtube.com/watch?v=-pNQYHvhnms
Nobody thinks of this shit when they think of Star Trek unless they're making fun of it.

i mean, thats an exceptionally bad one though.

I am tired of people shitting on Spock's Brain. Spock's Brain is at least the 60s campy fun kind of dumb. And The Children Shall Lead, that is "insults my intelligence" levels of dumb on top of having really fucking bad child actors.

Wrath of Khan is a vengeance story. There is no lesson in it.

Arr, this nigga be for real?

but I barely consider a lot of those S3 episodes as being Trek.

I've always hated this mindset because what is Trek to someone is dependent on nothing more than what kind of Trek they like. Unless it's NuTrek, then they're just straight up wrong, I will happily have a conversation with VOY and ENT fans but NuTrek lovers need to be discounted entirely.

There are good episodes and bad episodes of every show ever created but it's odd to be a fan that likes the episodes that the majority of the fanbase consider bad as much as if not more than the ones the fans generally think are good.

Do people consider Let That Be Your Last Battlefield to be a bad episode?

You would have a point if Wrath of Khan was about Kirk destroying himself and his ship for vengeance but that's not what it's about.

Nta but...that's literally what happens to Khan. He's become Ahab, the Reliant his Pequod. He is given multiple chances in the film to just let it go and live out his life but he refuses to let his vengeance go. The only way it doesn't work as a parallel is that in Ahab's case part of the point is it doesn't make sense to want revenge on a whale, it's just a fucking animal, it's like wanting revenge on nature. Which Kirk is not.

Wasn't that because NBC executive meddling? They reasoned the show was too expensive and didn't have a wide enough audience (at the time) to continue funding it. I'm sure there were shows that cost half as much and were twice as lucrative. It wasn't until mass syndication in the Seventies that most people discovered Star Trek.

The problem with doing a "top 10 DS9 episodes" thing with Mike and Rich is it'll probably be the if not exactly the same 10 episodes then at least a ton of overlap, the best ones are almost universally agreed on.

Unwatchable crap. Glad I got out a few years ago. Free yourself from the vortex anon, even their best shit like BOTW is dull and lengthy. I can even spoil their next "review" for you:

It felt like A.I. wrote it

THEATER BAD

The movie is exactly what you think it would be

What would it be?

Far Beyond the Stars

Trials and Tribble-ations

The Visitor

In the Pale Moonlight

Duet

Past Tense 1&2

Waltz

I'm not sure after that. Yeah, I love Take Me Out to the Holosuite, but I also played baseball in high school so that episode is special for me, it doesn't automatically hit for everyone even if it's admittedly really funny.

Our Man Bashir

That's one of the best sci-fi movies of all time, regardless of series.

It's pretty average as a whole

Shit, that is a good one. And they wanted to do more but MGM basically said "fuck off, you're lucky you got to do one without us suing"

You know you can take the moral lesson from the villain too right? Often that's sort of the point.

Wrath of Khan is good, but it is when Star Trek had to become sci-fi action movies. Star Trek 4 is the last time Trek was Trek in movies.... and of course Rich Evans shits on it. All the TNG movies had to be this too, which is what ruined the TNG movies.

and of course Rich Evans shits on it.

tbf he also said he appreciates the fact that it could never be made today. Not just because it isn't the 80s anymore but because no studio today would greenlight a big budget star trek movie that has no antagonist and is just about the crew solving a problem.

that's not what a rip-off is

super villain

boss battle

would a society like this really be so bad?

undiscovered country was absolutely trek

Looks like it would be noisy to relax in. Is that why the he has the giant ear thing on to muffle the noise?

No it's just an overly elaborate piece of jewelry

THEATER BAD

genuinely disgusted by that edit of Sean Baker's earnest acceptance speech over theater shootings and fights. fuck you dude.

if this society was real, they would decorate the penis, im sure of it

this was humiliating to men in the 90s. if this episode were made now, the women on the planet would be an effect and scaled up to be larger than the men. I would cum.

youtu.be/Ng641Scq1xU?si=3Eih98jlV_h8vwDF

Mike hates action in Star Trek and that Star Trek should be people taking for two hours.

He's right

mike has the correct take. action in trek is a crutch for shit story telling.

Well Jay what did you think?

I thought it was the worst piece of cinema bile ever put on screen. Watching it felt like absolute torture and I would much rather have bamboo placed under my finger nails and cover my balls in BBQ sauce and stuck in a nest of fire ants.

I liked it.

well I didn't HATE it.

TMP is the most boring one. 2001 is boring as well

more of an action movie compared to TMP.

so just like TOS most of the time, right?

Do you also think that JJ Abrams would be a great director of Star Wars movies?

This is a good copypasta

The only similarities between Wrath of Khan and Balance of Terror are the ship combat portions being portrayed like submarine combat in WW2.

And I think that part was done better in Balance of Terror anyway.

It do be better than Wrath of Khan tho.
the best ST movie is Voyage Home, thoughever.

thoughever

That's not a word

They don't say they don't like the other movies. They say they more or less reined back the Star Trek, and resigned themselves to making action movies after the first one, which is true.
Well, with the exception of 4 and 5, which are basically comedies first.

TOS had several episodes where the enterprise/crew is sent to the 20th century

TOS had several purely comedic episodes

take issue with The Voyage Home for doing the same thing and basically executing it better than the TOS episodes (except maybe City On the Edge of Forever)

Wrath of Khan is a vengeance story. There is no lesson in it. It's bereft of Star Trek's moralism and is a more conventional action movie story.

wasn't the whole shtick of the movie that Kirk's actions had very real consequences after and episode ends.
Space Seed ends up with Kirk promising Khan and co a nice planet to live on peacefully. It didn't work out, the crewman sent with Khan is dead, and Khan is pissed while Kirk's life went on unaware he accidentally/incidentally condemned then. And there's extra morals in that Khan's lust for vengeance gets him killed when at any point after getting a ship he could have just left.

I don't know. I can see some parallels between Shatner, and a whale.

What if I like both?

my favorite star trek shit is both exploring some strange space concept AND the tactical thinking battles like the kirk vs invisible romulan ships.
for me, the og movies ranked are:
2>1>powergap>6>powergap>4>3>powergap>5