Star Trek The Next Generation

People talk about TNG now like some fringe show for autists but it had viewership that was good at the time and is something shows today can only dream about. In that sense no show will surpass it; the tv landscape just makes it an impossibility.
Will there be higher quality shows overall? Sure, why not. TNG has infamously shitty first seasons. They stuck the landing with an iconic farewell episode though so that is hard to top. Usually where most shows go wrong too.

Anon, TNG is fun for whole family.

Is there any fiction that's like The Inner Light?

No. TV simply isn't written like that anymore. All the Nu-Trek stuff can't even commit to the Federation military structure that TNG relies on for its "real world" grounding. The stakes are always too high, very little, or uncreative thought is given to problem solving and they can't even really sell you on the faux tech jargon anymore. Outside of the very obvious leftover TOS scripts, TNG really sold you on the more intellectual approach to space exploration, space politics and the constant clash of cultures that came with all that.

No.

definitely helped me become a man.

A man who posts coomer drivel on image boards. Great job LT Yar.

It was a sci-fi show that was mainstream and watched by families together like a sitcom or soap opera. Nothing else ever came close. Each successor show had fewer and fewer viewers, though VOY seems to have remained in the collective consciousness, probably because it was TNG lite and Seven of Big Tits. Thanks Obama!

Why are the first two seasons (especially S1) so garbage and weirdly obsessed with the dichotomy of gender? Like that weird thing Crusher says about "the opinion of a male" in The Last Outpost, or The Naked Now or Angel One

She did her best

I like that the whole conflict in that episode started because a female ensigns secret desire was to be ravaged by a giant man

jeet detected

It insists upon itself (positive)

but it had viewership that was good at the time

Are you kidding me? It was probably the most viewed show at the time, or right up there. It had such an impact even the concurrent ST shows lasted for 7 seasons each.

What a stupid, fucking pointless death scene. And it was like 2 episodes before the season ended.
What was wrong with her?

Only rivaled by the death of Kuumar in House.
I read here that Tasha left to do softcore but that was here and unsourced

Gene was just horny I think.

She wanted out right then, right now. She didn't want to wait four more episodes.

confused about leftist messaging in star trek

Any hole, any time, anywhere

Nah, nobody leaves a failed show because softcore is their calling, and she didn't anyway. She thought she had a shot at a movie career, which you can check on IMDB how well that went. She mostly lived off of selling autographs at nerd conventions.

TNG is the third best trek show behind DS9 and TOS. Then you have SNW, Disco, VOY.

Fuck you, Rick Berman.

Spotted the "in trek news" retard.

"Disco"

We call it STD here.

They stuck the landing with an iconic farewell episode though

And then ruined it with the horrible movies (Yes, even First Contact)

learn to identify regulars.
"in trek news" has always said his top three were TOS, TAS, and LDS

To be fair, late TNG's aesthetic is more or less the template space opera has been operating on to this day. It's less interesting because it's timeless, which is why nuTrek didn't bother trying modernize it.

Farscape completely destroys TNG out of the water you retarded normalfags.

I guess but that's just normal statecraft. They're not autistic about anything in particular.

idk anon, no one seeing them in person for 100 years is pretty autism core.

destroys TNG out of the water

not a saying

memory fuzzy, but I remember her being a boring nothing character.

in terms of overall tone and direction I'd say it was Piller, but in terms of retaining certain crowd pleasing elements from Roddenberry like sexy costuming I'd say it was Berman
it was legit funny watching Dax's actress basically try and #MeToo him during that DS9 documentary and her complaint boiled down to "he yelled at me once"
she was so histrionic and obnoxious about it that they had to add a disclaimer to the intro all but saying she was full of shit so Berman wouldn't have a slam dunk defamation suit

learn to identify regulars.

No, thank you.

It'll save your life one day.

Or endanger it.

Chadzia said what?

Berman

Can someone give me a QRD on this?
I enjoy Classic Trek and TNG but don't pay much attention to behind the scenes bullshit. I've read these strange intimations that he was some kind of sex pest or something.

Berman was the main driver behind coomertrek that was VOY and ENT. Obviously you had some examples in TNG etc. but not so blatant, you had multiple holodeck beach episodes in Voyager. The ENT main cast stand out by being the only crew that stayed physically fit, it must have been in their contracts that they couldn't be Riker tier fat bastards.

It was already surpassed.

And now we have Tilly.

berman likes feet

I watched the first season and started my own rape gang. I'll watch the rest later.

Why was Nog such a pussy. He got wounded and then they gave him a new leg, he had every opportunity to get back out there and kill more enemies just as efficiently as before. Instead he pussied out and created a mental health "problem" for which any decent military would shoot him for simulating. Heroes are strong and destroy enemies, and those who are not heroes it does not matter how they fucking die.

war messes you up

You're clearly a troubled child that needs to be prevented from communicating with other people.

no it doesnt
war makes men the men they are today

star trek

fringe

nigga it's literally one of the longest surviving tv series. What else even is there from the 60's that is still relevant to this day and getting new content? Doctor Who?

ok go fight one then

I am fighting the greatest war of our generation

It's just ridiculously wholesome and endearing, and a product of a more innocent and sincere era. Even when it escaped from Roddenberry's 'no arguments' rule and started throwing in professional disagreements, it still managed to feature a cast who clearly were great pals and had utmost repsect for each other. You just don't get that in TV anymore. Characters in modern shows merely tolerate each other until given a reason to extend trust.

guiding light and meet the press l, I guess

I think the show was just written by people who aren't retarded.
All of the characters were among the best of the best humanity had to offer, they were experienced and knew starting needless drama in the vacuum of space doesn't solve shit

yeah it's not dogshit like DSN about fucking cowardly aliens who don't know how to fight and die for the glory of the uniform

call of duty?

What's that guys name again?

Not his fight. He was a foreign volunteer.

He put on the uniform! It is his fight!

Yeah, no "needless arguments" is a better take than not arguing at all given the characters in TOS argue every second episode, but in a professional, measured way.

That was the same uniform that left the frontier colonies that would become the Maquis to fend for themselves because they were "too tired" to deal with the Cardassian issue until the Dominion War forced them to.

TOS is stupid. It's always an attempt at having some dialogue or something about a problem or other. TNG season 1 is perfect because all of the questions have already been answered, and the enlightenment of humanity has already been achieved. There's no need to have a conversation about any topic and everyone already knows the correct truth and agrees together. Maximum comfy, the perfect science fiction.

No you're stupid.

It's in the freaking intro blurb that TOS is about exploring strange new worlds, and naturally those worlds aren't going to have a common point of understanding, which is why it's up to the crew to come to that understanding on their own mettle rather than relying on the institution to back them up.

the crew are always fucking disagreeing with each other, that makes them stupid and uninformed, picard would just know what the real morality is and data with riker would agree with him that he is correct

Whatever happened to that QT Spock turned down twice because of his legendary alien autism?

The original series is a western in space and it's kino.

Next gen crew due to the more "peaceful" era they're in are ill equipped any time anything happens

Kirk > picard
See: star trek 7 and the Shatner books

Mr Worf, I hate you. You are a fucking retard and you stink of peepee poopoo. I am sorry if this has ended our friendship.

It's less that Star Trek ever did a direct episodic adaptation of the story and more that BOTH Star Trek and that story both share an 'ethos' and attitudes to humanity's future.
Roddenberry corresponded with Asimov so this isn't really a fringe theory.
In The Last Question, the idea was that at the end of the universe you find yourself back in the beginning, and there is a subtle marriage between science and faith.
Any of the physical exploration of space or seeking of new life/cultures is really just the means humanity uses to journey deep into themselves, our history, culture, soul, and spirit, to seek spiritual enlightenment and evolution. It's really a personal voyage (echos of Carl Sagan's Cosmos: A Personal Voyage).
Ship's computer is basically one of the stages of the universal AC.
I just rewatched S01:E06 "Where No One Has Gone Before" and it's basically this premise. Space, time, and emotion are revealed to be the same thing, and at the end of the universe Jean Luc finds his mother (who was always inside him).

A ton, in terms of feeling and not direct scifi plot.
Read The Last Question by Isaac Asimov.
Ray Bradbury is probably your best bet. He has so many stories that could be Star Trek TNG plots, and though he was never directly involved with Star Trek iirc, the writers definitely borrowed a shit ton from him, so he's probably the OG source for Star Trek TNG.
The Lake, All Summer in a Day, The Emissary. All his stories are good, just go ham into The October Country and everything else.

Other stories to check out.
Mr. Arcularis by Conrad Aiken
The Bus by Shirley Jackson

Hoshi a cute

ferengi are natural cowards

If it had been me and my kids starring on that show it wouldn't have gone down like it did. There would have been a lot of pudding all over that holodeck and then me saying "OK, we're getting better ratings than TOS, don't worry."

Sounds like you're talking about Lost in Space.

Sweet, thanks mate

The first 2 lives of Lukas Kasha, if you don't mind YA

Return to Us, Locutus

please baby?

Why were the Borg using Starfleet tricorders here anyway?

Akoocheemoya on this Friday. Akoocheemoya.

It was mostly Rick Berman, a straight Jewish man
As was ds9 and voy

I thought DS9 was mainly Ira Behr.

It was surpassed, by DS9

cowardly aliens who don't know how to fight and die for the glory of the uniform

I see you missed Kor's Last Stand. Also, S7 was basically the other stuff that goes on in any war. Kid just wanted to prove he could be in Starfleet, fix stuff, be on O'Brien's good, stare at Leeta's tits and fly a ship. Sure he could've gone back in, but anyone who has been in war can tell you that they get scared when things get dreary. Nog just had PTSD and it can affect even the strongest of hu-mans

Except Ricardo Khan

Ds9 started the wave of non trek star trek. Kys

why are these pics making me into a hands guy? as in, i just imagined her hands doing something to me. plus her fingers seem kinda long...

...enough :)

to assimilate it, obviously

I wish Barclay came to DS9 for at least one episode or even his alternate consider how much mirror mirror went on in DS9.

Mirror Ezri's late 90s hairstyle and make-up

hnnnnnnng

I'm enjoying Voyager right now and there's nothing you can do to stop me. TNG and DS9 are both great also.

the late 80s

innocent and sincere

Lol, lmao even

DS9 F YEAH

Frankie Eyes' Hotel Casino >>> Vic "Johnny Fontaine" Fontaine

What was the deal with Vic anyway? Boring character who always just seemed to disrupt the flow of the episode. Should’ve been Aretha Franklin, that would’ve been cool

Im watching it for the first time atm.
I like the space anomaly episodes, i like some of the character stuff.

But mostly it just feels fucking arrogant and disgusting watching a bunch of communists roam the universe, enforcing their way of thinking on absolutely every other species they come across, all with the unwritten backup plan of "if they don't agree we will simply destroy them with our superior tech and it will be their own fault".

I'm enjoying Voyager right now and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

pretty sure a cloudflare CAPTCHA could stop most voyfaggots

It should have been Ignatius Cavitation (aka Iggy Pop) as the Holosuite singer, and Bobby Darren as the rad Vorta

this is my first time thru ds9, so idk. my guess is Vic (Darren) was either close to someone on the executive staff or was a close friend of a close friend. why else would they make a hologram with Moriarty conscience who has nothing to do with the Founders or Dukat keep showing up?
He should've been two episodes max; one to introduce him and the other after Nog is in recovery.

Already was by DS9.

treksissies... we are being made fun of by guiding light chads again....

I have beautiful hands as a man. I am scared every day that I might turn someone gay with my hands.

Fun fact: Riker and Janeway both got their starts in the soaps. I’m sure there were more

60's Soviet InterCom....IN SPAAAAAACE

Just think of it as revenge against McCarthy. One wonders if the flip side would just be Warhammer? Although I know nothing of warhammer.

In general, one major idea has to prevail if we are to explore the galaxy in a meaningful way. We can't still be fighting over small pieces of land or claiming one nation is better than another if we're supposed to be united to get to fucking Pluto and further. As I've said before, communism is compatible with humans but something similar would be necessary if we were to even attempt the Three Tiers mentioned by Carl Sagan and have any chance of actual space exploration.

HOLY CUTENESS! I was born too fucking late, hnnnnnnng

well if it makes you feel any better, your hands didn't make me bi

One thing TNG absolutely had, and I'm not saying everything should be like this, is perfect and total sincerity. The writing wasn't always great, the aesthetics were often kind of ugly, the characters stilted and kind of unreal. But it was not self-conscious and it did not doubt, it had absolutely no fear of being cringe, which allowed it to shoot for and often hit these notes of unashamed hope and goodness, not as an unrealistic ideal, but as something that could become the norm in the real world.

Mike from RLM really got it right when he said the idea was that in Star Trek we had "made it", and that that background isn't just incidental to making the plot and scenarios work, the whole show is an active confronting statement that a world like this is possible, if not in all its technological particulars then in its social relations and attitudes.

Star Trek is set in the kingdom of heaven-the fact that there are still problems and challenges reinforcing that the kingdom of heaven is something we make on earth, with all the inevitable friction and conflict of any reality. Its not the end of history but a long/ ultimately victorious march through it. Its actually bizarre that this spiritually commie a show was such a mainstream staple of american media.

Which one? I think early TNG is laying it on pretty thick while TOS was less overbearing (from memory, it was still cheesy though). just dont think to hard and take the good vibes if not the sometimes simplistic specific understanding. There is a point to be made, even if its not the full picture.
Nah, I dont think it works both in practice AND in pure ideal. fighting over "small things" is a relitivistic statement. Yah, if your whole world is an island, of course someone conquing the whole thing feels like the end of the world, while the nieghboring local power sees that as squabbling over "small things" and the neighboring global power sees that the local power as "squabbling over small things" with other local powers, etc. while all the while that global power is made up of squabbling local powers which are made up of squabbling islands. If people have distinct interests, if they are unique in their own, there will be conflict. That conflict doesnt have to be all consuming, but there will be conflict. a world with no conflict is a world of clones.

You have never seen my hands.

true, but given the present state, your hands wouldn't have almost any influence on me. hoshi on the other 'hand'...