Last season so fucking bad it ruined the whole show

Last season so fucking bad it ruined the whole show

The show went to shit episode one of the fifth season.

>Last season so fucking bad it ruined the whole show

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The last season is the inevitable result of the show still being universally praised and lapped up by normalfags from seasons 5-7. Everything post-Tywin's death (and even throughout season 4 there were some appallingly bad changes) is nonsensical slop and the norms deserved season 8 for enjoying it.

In hindsight, only the first season was good.

I miss it, bros

Season 2 & 3 have based Tywin so you'd be wrong

It ruined the books too and broke George RR Martin. People hated his idea for the ending that he gave up writing.

Season 2 was good. It had stannis, davos and renly who were all well done. Aryas storyline was very good that season, sansas story was decent. IMO season 2 was a worthy follow up to a well done season 1. But I'd say season 3 was the start of a significant decline.

Reminds me of X-Files, people actually the mytharc episodes until the later starting getting stupid. In fact, the early mytharc episodes were rated higher than most monster of the week episodes. Now because the story was fumbled, people have decided they never liked those episodes and only the MOTW episodes were good.

Theon's story line was also kino

I actually think that the final season was the best since 4 if you suspend all logic and just enjoy the shitshow. It's very funny when you look into why people actually hated the finale so much, it's already a redflag when people say that it was the finale that ruined the show.
Basically, normies were angry about KHALEESI BECOMING EVIL which was about the only thing they got right.
The show became popular for being an unconvential fantasy and that's why people ended up hating it, because it didn't end with kween on the throne saving the day.

S5 was the worst, 6-8 was just redditslop fanfic. I thought the long night and the bells were entertaining for what they were, if the context leading into and following those episodes were better, they would be highly praised.

it’s good if you turn your brain off!

I hate people like you.

I thought it was when her dragon thought the throne was evil and burned instead of Jon Snow.

You’re right that normies were mostly angry about Dany, and that going full schizo nutjob was the right ending for her, but man did they do a shitty job of it.
The signs are there from the beginning. She’s violent, entitled, emotional.
But the moment when she decides to burn King’s Landing is just handled so poorly.
Every season is worse than the previous.

I'm saying the opposite, after S5 you are literally watching a fanfic spinoff. If you're rating it in comparison with earlier book seasons, of course they are going to be a lot worse but people get so emotional that they can't assess later season GoT objectively.
People are giving solid 5/10 television a 1/10 rating because they compare it with it's earlier seasons rather than with the rest of media in general.

GoT was arguably the biggest event in television's history and had a massive cultural impact. People are turning their brain off and saying it's bad because of it's ending like OP. We can't even seriously discuss the nearly decade leading up to that

last season

It started to deteriorate right from the start of season 5

It ruined the legacy. And then hotd ruined it again.

WHY. DO. THEY. FUCK. UP. SO. BADLY.

I'm one of the fans that dropped it on season 5. The early seasons carried the later ones for a long while and people were so positive about it that they weren't really paying attention. That's why they hate the last episode and season. Suddenly there wasn't more to look forward to and what it was set in, then how much they think was bad depends on how far back they can remember.

What's the ideal amount of seasons/ episodes/ length per episode?

I find not many shows really have even 5 good seasons, and most should only be 1-2 seasons long

Binged the show recently and I liked it. Definitely noticed an increase in pacing and the lack of interesting character insight in the final few seasons but beyond that I didn't really notice any major drop off in quality. The Long Night is probably a top 3 episode in the show too.

that grrm blogpost where he says they're changing more things in hotd s3 and how it'll cause even more trouble in the future

They really haven't learned their lesson

people keep comparing the later seasons to the previous seasons

No shit, they’re part of the same fucking series. People do that when discussing a trilogy or series you know, they compare it to previous installments of the franchise.

People are turning their brain off and saying it's bad because of it's ending like OP

Nobody is saying that, they’re saying it killed its rewatch value.

wight can’t break through wood in previous season but can break through solid stone in the next

place all the women and children in the crypt with the dead people when they know the enemy their fighting can raise the dead.

put all of their forces and defense weaponsOUTSIDE of the walls

”The Long Night is probably a top 3 episode in the show too.”

You’re retarded.

That it? Seems pretty nitpicky. And characters often make mistakes throughout the show too. Regardless, even if you consider the drama that those specific scenes resulted in to be contrived, they're not the reason I rate the episode so highly.

gr8 b8

This. OP is a shit-gargling retard like all the other mindless normgroids who praised this show when it reached its absolute nadir of retardation in season 5. Holy fuck watching that made my blood boil from the sheer ruination of my favorite characters from the books. I only hate-watched it after that. I spent more time laughing in season 8 because they were basically lighting their own legacy on fire before my eyes.

Yeah upon reflection a wight breaking out of stone was really the jumping shark moment of the show for me.

It's because he upset Condal, and now Condal is going to double down, because producers huff their own farts all the time. They deep down truly believe they know better than the author.

last three seasons were awful, you are just a pleb

The show was actually bad once season 2 hit, like the dumb shadow baby cgi, or the whole Qarth plot (it was a lot cooler in the book).

There were already terrible elements in season 1, like Robert's "hunting party".

This. I tried watching the show twice. Couldn't make it into S5.

waited years for it to end before started watching

dropped the show immediately after the last episode of season 4 because one anon told me to do so

proceed to pretend that the show was canceled halfway through

i have fine memories of watching it

Definitely the best, but 2-4 are watchable at the very least.

The first season was the best, but season 2 was still "good". There were cracks emerging, but it was ignorable. Season 3 the cracks were harder to ignore, and in season 4 it was worrying how bad some of the scenes were getting, and how idiotic the plot was for a couple characters. Then season 5 the wheels fell off completely.

You definitely didn't miss anything worth watching.

The show had been bad for a long time, S8 was just when normies finally turned on it because the megalomaniacal mass murderer character did a megalomaniacal mass murder but not against people who were le bad

Last season

It was bad long before that, I gave up when a shirtless Ramsey somehow made Theon's sister fuck off in season 4.

I think it's far more likely he simply lost all motivation to write. Show made him super rich, what need did he have to publish another book? The show's version would also be the one that everybody remembered even if he did publish.

D&D only took the gig to do the red wedding so after S3 they progressively gave less of a shit each season to the point where the trimmed down 7 and 8 and just slapped shit on the page because they wanted to be done with it.

NOOOOOOOOOOO KHALEESI!!!! THIS IS CHARACTER ASSASINATION MUH QUEEN WOULD NEVER, NOOOOOOOO!!!!

It definitely felt like after the Red Wedding they were all out of ideas on how to present and organize the story, so they just kept trying to copy the shock value of the Red Wedding every season, no matter how nonsensical it was.

Also night king getting one shotted after 8 seasons of build up.

I think people were mostly pissed about the night king jobbing.

Mad queen Dany was interesting, but the should have build it up more.

Season 1 was pretty much perfect television. Even as a book reader my nitpicks are minimal. Mostly about how they softened Cersei's personality too much. She was way, way more of a cunt in the books. Show actually humanized her a LOT.

The Long Night

Are you serious? It was too dark to see what the fuck was going on.

So was Aerys II really mad or was that Arryn propaganda to legitimize overthrowing him?

That's good, some people told me that the ending of s6 is great and I should watch it, but I didn't care enough to sit through another 20 hours of show.

He was loony as fuck, but ultimately it was the Baratheons steering the rebellion toward Total Targ Death. A saner rebellion would've simply removed the Mad King and put his much more reasonable son on the throne.

Season 5 had the best episode of the show so it's automatically not the worst season.

Dragon can't melt the rock that Jon is hiding behind

Dragons can melt magical walls

Dragons can melt a castle

It’s not perfect but it’s definitely the best episode of that season and a good open ending cut off point if you don’t feel like dealing with the super retardation of 7 and 8.

FPBP

s1x09 is the best for me
hardly a hot take

And the son would come back for revenge. No thank you.

You wipe them all out.

It was supposed to be pretty obvious that you weren't supposed to be cheering for Dany when she burned a bunch of levied farm boys alive (along with the city's grain harvest) and ran them down with whooping mongol savages but the burlington bar retards were too busy cheering for their girlboss qween and her heckin scaled furbabies

Mad or not the dragonspawn needed to go

didn't the reasonable son trigger the rebellion and get killed?

Blame the idiot author for not finishing the books.

Rhaegar was a reasonable fellow. He'd be easily convinced to offer a general amnesty in exchange for the instigators taking the black, and the realm would've healed in time from the harm done by the mad king's reign.

You mean viserys, who was also insane?

Rhaegar was also retard who ran off with a 14 year old girl.

Can't believe everyone thought this show was the greatest thing ever until the last episode then the entire world realized it was shit and forgot it immediately. wild.

You mean those soldiers that just got done sacking highgarden? Was she supposed to just let them get away with that?

instigators taking the black

Why would they? Aerys murdered their family members. Rhaegar also started this whole mess by running off with a girl, when he was already to another woman.

It's gonna be revealed that Bran fucked up with his greensight and drove the king mad while trying to pre-emptively warn the realm about the white walkers

Ha

Instigators are powerful lord paramounts. Rhaegar can't ask them to take the black without getting killed. Especially since he started the whole mess.

instigators taking the black

So him?

Maybe it was melted but just not within a fraction of a second we saw it

No, not at all. The rebellion was triggered by the mad king unlawfully putting to death Lord Stark an his heir, which is what started the great houses turning against him in force. Rhaegar eloping with Lyanna Stark was a reason for the Starks to seek audience with the King, but they had no intention of starting a rebellion at that point.

Viserys was only a toddler at the time, his madness wasn't apparent, and in any case I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Rhaegar, who was educated and chivalrous, if perhaps overly fascinated by occult lore.

Rhaegar was also retard who ran off with a 14 year old girl.

Not at all unusual for princes and has no bearing on his capacity to rule.

Rhaegar eloping with Lyanna Stark was a reason for the Starks to seek audience with the King

aka the trigger for the rebellion

Except we’ve seen that it can.

Why would they?

They rebelled against the king and committed regicide. That's a crime. It's explicitly against the laws of the Seven Kingdoms to take up arms against the king, and to kill him. It doesn't matter if he's insane, it's still against the law. The only way you expunge the crime is to replace the dynasty with a new one, which, conveniently, Robert intended to do because of his own interest in exterminating the Targaryen dynasty for personal reasons.

Right, I'm sure that was 17 year old Hick Bumfuck of the Shitwater village's idea. He certainly deserved to be cooked alive in his armor for that

George RR Martin could potentially save the GOT universe right now by finishing the books and making a good ending. The potential for that exists right now. The dude just seriously doesn't give a fuck anymore. Could be for any number of reasons but the dude has checked out.

No? The audience with the king was just an attempt to ask him what was going on and to request the return of Lyanna. They didn't march to King's Landing with an army or any intention of starting a rebellion. It was the utterly insane conduct of the king in murdering two very important, well-connected men for spurious reasons that caused rebellion.

No?

You don't know?
Rhaegar not eloping with Lyanna means no Stark audience, means no execution of nobles, means no rebellion.
I know you're a Rhaegar fanboy but use your brain.

They rebelled against the king and committed regicide

Rightfully so. The king murdered their family for something his son started.

They had it coming. And they don't have the power to do anything since majority of their kingdoms were rebelling.

Did the 17 year old Hick Bumfuck of the Shitwater village at black water deserve to be roasted by tyrion at the black water when attacking kings landing or was Tyrion in the wrong?

Not from that dragon

There would've been no murder if the mad king had not been mad. Why are you attempting to absolve a murdering tyrant of all blame? Lyanna running off with Rhaegar is not why Jon Arryn defied the king, it's not why the North rose against him, nor is it why House Tully joined the Arryns and Starks. Pretty much the only person in the entire rebel faction who was motivated by Lyanna eloping with the prince was Robert Baratheon.

When did I say Tyrion was a good person? You're shadowboxing people in your head

Yeah we did, parts of the wall fucking exploded as soon as the fire touched it.

Try again stupid.

It was against the law. By law all of their lives were forfeit for the crime of regicide. The only way to escape rightful execution is to take the black and become a brother of the Night's Watch.

There would've been no murder if the mad king had not been mad

Wow, you think?
So your argument is that Rhaegar was not reasonable, but was instead mentally feeble and was not aware that a) his father, the Mad King, was mad, and B) the Starks would demand their stolen daughter back.

It's insane to see someone denying Rhaegar's actions as triggering the rebellion when the fucking author of the series says it was the cause lol.

Well what about the people that 17 year old from shit village killed at highgarden?

Was the wall made of stone or ice?

Not really, Aerys violated law and custom.

I don’t think many fans of the series quite get is how threatening to the entire political order Aerys II’s actions were. To begin with, to arrest the heir to a Great House immediately raises the possibility that the crown might arrest the heirs of the other Great Houses while maintaining the troubling position that the Crown can kidnap the children of the Great Houses with impunity. But to then summon Rickard Stark and murder him rather than grant him a fair trial not only discredits royal justice but brings into question the physical safety of the Lords Paramount of the Seven Kingdoms – if one law-abiding Lord Paramount can be executed on a whim, any of them can. In retrospect, it’s rather amazing that any House took the Targaryen’s side in the Rebellion.

In feudalism, lords sacrifice autonomy and other rights to the king for protection. Rickard Stark was summoned to court, and there was seized, charged with treason, denied his due process, and executed in mockery of his lordly rights.

Eddard and Robert, the de jure Lords Paramount are threatened with death despite not being involved in any crime, confirming the hypothesis that all Lords Paramounts’ lives are at the mercy of the royal whim.

In feudalism, the one big crime for a king is tyranny. Violating his own feudal oaths gives lords the right (some would even say the duty) to depose him.. Eddard and Robert were under the very real threat of death, Jon Arryn was commanded to forfeit his wards (a violation of the sacred guest right mandating that a host protect any guest from harm whilst under his care) to a tyrannical order, and refusal was thus, a right and proper thing. Even Hoster Tully, bound by one oath to aid the Starks and another oath to the king, found the choice made for him when Aerys violated his feudal overlordship and thus, violated it for all of his vassals.

The only way to escape rightful execution is to take the black and become a brother of the Night's Watch

OR smashing the crown princes chest with a hammer and killing the king and all his bloodline and then becoming the new king. There’s always that option

So your argument is that Rhaegar was not reasonable

No he's very reasonable. He was an educated and chivalrous young man. He was by everyone's estimation a paragon of knightly virtue.

but was instead mentally feeble and was not aware that a) his father, the Mad King, was mad, and B) the Starks would demand their stolen daughter back.

His father is the king. Whatever clout he personally held, his father was still king. And paranoid. Openly opposing his father was a bad idea. Also, Lyanna was not "stolen". Literally the only person who thinks this is Robert.

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No he's very reasonable.

Apparently not, since you claim he's unaware that his father is mad and takes actions that will cause his mad father to murder people.

Luckily father and son paid for their insanity.

There's a theory that I think is true that they wanted to WRAP IT UP with GOT because Disney was eyeing them to make a possible Star Wars trilogy (separate from the Rey/Finn trilogy), but they botched GOT so horribly that Disney walked away from any potential deal kek. Just a couple greedy jews that flew too close to the giant glowing dollar sign.

Magic ice that had existed for thousands of years.

Also that scene lasted longer than a “fraction of a second” so you’re just being intentionally obtuse to defend garbage for some reason. Most likely bait.

If he was so chivalrous why did he cheat on his wife and start a war. Checkmate liberal

Lyanna was not "stolen"

she belongs to her father in westerosi law, and was betrothed to someone. taking her, whether she consents or not, is stealing her.

Not really, Aerys violated law and custom.

Which does not make murdering the king suddenly legal. In fact, it completely upsets the legal order of the realm to imply this is a proper solution. The fact is the political system of Westeros was poorly equipped to deal with a monarch who was unfit to rule. The laws as they exist did not allow for regicide, by anyone, even if necessary. Jaime Lannister only escapes execution because of the regime change rendering his crime merely dishonorable instead of illegal.

, since you claim he's unaware that his father is mad

No I didn't. You keep insisting I say things when nowhere did I say them. He was probably aware of it, more than probably, given that he lived in the same castle as him and anyone who spent even a little time in Aerys II's company realized he was mad.

When did I say Tyrion was a good person?

You didn’t but the fucking show did for some reason.

Which does not make murdering the king suddenly legal.

Except it did. Aerys and Rhaegar paid for their crimes, and rightfully so.

Niggas be like

this open rebellion is illegal

So what? It’s literally war, it’s not illegal at all.

Except it did.

No it didn't. Killing the ENTIRE dynasty rendered it legally moot. There was no longer a royal dynasty against which crimes could be committed.

No I didn't

You did by omission, because you're afraid to address the points.
Or do you believe Rhaegar knew he was mad but didn't care about the consequences? Doesn't make him reasonable then.

A rebellion is a war founded on legal principles. Abandoning those principles means abandoning any claim to legitimacy of your cause.

No it didn't.

Yes it did.
Aerys committed murder, he paid for it with his life's blood.
Rhaegar was an accessory to murder and paid for it with his life's blood.

Justice.

legal principles

The ones House Targaryen threw out the window?
Hard to be taken seriously crying about the laws you just took a shite on lmao.

pretty much yeah, no point to rewatch when you know where it goes

Rhaegar almost definitely knew his father was mad and was resolved to simply work around him until such time as he could inherit the throne. He was a smart young man and likely realized opposing his father while he was still without strong allies was pointless. He had the Dornish on his side, but Dorne was far away and not very militarily powerful.

He likely did not believe his father would care all that much about it, because his father was increasingly insular and obsessed with his pyromancer's schemes. Lyanna willingly went with him, so he probably did not think her family would object too much.

I think people were mostly pissed about the night king jobbing.

They weren't. Arya killing the Night King was widely praised and the GoT hype reached it's absolute maximum when The Long Night aired.
The only thing people were complaining about was how dark the episode was, I remember the internet soijacking out over how amazing that episode was.

They were on a victory lap

AND NOW ITS CERSEI'S TURN. LFG KHALEESI

The episode ratings were actually high until e5 and 6, normies retroactively lowered their scores and started having strong opinions about how dumb it all was like they hadn't just spent 5 years slurping the exact same shit

Im not gonna sit here and argue in good faith how fast magic fire should melt stone vs magic ice. I found there was a lot of legitimate things to complain about the show but most people resort to nitpicky shit like that as if their immersion was completely destroyed in that moment.

Yup. The moment they changed Robb’s plotline and gave him some cliche love interest in S2, I knew the show was fucked.

>The ones House Targaryen threw out the window?

They are the kings, they make the rules. That's how absolute monarchy works. There is no other legal body in the Seven Kingdoms to create or ratify laws. Only the authority of the king can do both these things. Hence why the king, or his personally chosen delegates, must enact every piece of legislation and authorize every action taken by the state.

As I said, it's a fragile political system. It doesn't handle the problem of the absolute authority being unfit to rule very well. Because he's still the absolute authority.

Tyrion was fairly faithful in S1. He was sassy and dickish to the likes of Jon and Theon, but still had a good heart underneath. Then because fans took to Dinklage so much, the writers completely whitewashed the character and stripped him of any ambiguity.

If the king makes the rules and you kill him and become king you get to make the new rules. Targaryens conquered and then got conquered. That’s life

Season 3 was where it went wrong plotwise. It was still enjoyable at this point, but a steep drop in quality was locked in from season 3 three onwards. "Fixing" the show would be contingent on re-doing everything from S3 on-wards, at the minimum doubling the number of total seasons, and of course George not being a lazy fat libtarded boomer fuck and actually finishing the books.

Mr robot

heh I thought it was shit since S5

oh yeah? Well I thought it was shit since S2!

Jokes on you guys I thought it was shit 5 minutes into the pilot when they revealed the whole show was gonna be magic: the bullshit. So I win on pretending not to care the most.

Lmao he was gonna die by tywins hand anyways, Jaime just saved extra lives.

Rhaegar planned to remove his dad, he just took too long getting around to it.

I didn't even watch the ending. I watched the full show up until the spoilers got leaked and then I stopped. Last episode I saw I think was the one with the big battle at the wall where Arya solo'd the night king outta nowhere. I still don't even know what happens at the end and I don't care either. GoT was really shit.

Rhaegar went on a romantic romp through the flowery fields with Iyanna like a queer instead of taking his father’s throne by force. He didn’t have what it takes to be king and his weakness caused the fall of his house

You made the right decision.

This.

Definitely didn’t ruin it but turned it from what could have been a LOTR tier epic to low brow albeit fun and entertaining schlock, just above slop.

The burning of the Starks was by far the maddest thing the king had ever done. No one had that on their bingo cards so you cant really blame Rhaegar entirely

He jerked off to burning people to death and raped his wife every day

I wonder if they'll remake the ending if the books come out...

I hope they remake it as an animated series that keeps all the wierd shit and characters the show cut out

Truth. The show was a middle finger to true fans. FUCK YOU BACK I haven't watched HBO since t b h

Tolkien, in death, has won the imaginary battle George RR Martin has waged on him. He asked the question- "Well how did Aragorn handle immigration, taxes, etc..."

And now we know the answer. No one cares, and that isn't important to the story that Tolkien wanted to tell. Martin tried to tell this big unwinding story that he didn't have great plans for and this is the inevitable result. The plot is unfocused, lost and he's stuck. And he will die with it like that. Writing the beginning of a story is easy. You can write all these mysteries and just run off on tangents whenever you feel like. He can't do the part that actually makes writing a story hard. Developing middle and tying threads for the end.

This is how I feel as well. I even rewatched the first 3 episodes the other month and then stopped because I couldn’t handle knowing where it all leads to. It’s building up to extreme disappointment, and my memories from 2019 and watching that final season are filled with nothing but disappointment. There’s a permanent taint to the show that will never be undone. This could’ve been something future generations discover and watch. It could’ve had a life and fandom decades after its release. But it’s dead. It’s done