Daredevil Born Again Episode 8

FUCK ITS KINO ALREADY

I need a Colleen gf

Why does heather hate vigilantes, especially ya know the one that saved her fucking life?

MATT FINALLY HAS SOME BALLS AND TELLS HEATHER TO FUCK OFF GOD I'VE WAITED 8 EPISODES FOR HIM TO TELL HER OFF

They fucked up Muse, one of the most interesting Daredevil villains so Matt's girlfriend could land the killing blow. Disney is staffed to the bring with retards and cowards who won't call them out on stupid decisions.

Daniel gets a promotion

this totally won't end badly

It's sad but hopefully now they can really hit their stride without having to deal with stitching together old footage/storylines with the new.

I don't believe they can. This season was dogshit that banked entirely on the nostalgia of Netflix's Daredevil show. Disney's track record has been nothing short of war crime after war crime.

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People from her profession are like that

they didn't ruin bullseye holy fuck this show is saved jesus christ now remove cherry and get officer mahoney back in this bitch

Yea I get not liking vigilantes but even the one that saved your life? That just sounds insane and doesn't really have any logic behind it

Dear New Showrunners,

I kneel.

Best,
Anon

Love her and the best part about Iron Fist for sure

Honestly deserved she has gotten an ego out of nowhere. They haven't even been dating for that long and she wants to be everywhere in his life.

ok Powell is really growing on me. I wasn't a fan in episode 2 but I can tolerate him now

The original script for the prison scene had all 3 sand snakes get naked. Someone on the writing team decided last minute that only badpussy should get naked. That's why the scene is so awkward with the two in the back walking around and sitting and standing randomly.

literally every scene with bullseye is good and grabs your attention

They were so fucking retarded for trying to make Born Again a soft reboot instead of S4.

creative use of aspect ratios and color tinting in action scenes is back from episode one

Bullseye is finally back, and Josie even makes an appearance

I feel like I've been underwater and finally came up for a breath.

The groping a rape culture of misandry

It... It was good

"If someone happens you get out of here and call kirsten or call cherry"

*something happens

she doesn't call either of them and stays there

REEEEEEE WHY CAN'T SHE JUST LISTEN

some people schizo headcanon that adam is the real muse and that he comes back just to ruins fisks reputation and call him a liar for not "really killing muse"

That might've been the case, so it's funny how this episode from the new showrunners immediately cuts that thread.

What's with the blue? What does it mean?

She's a cunt.

You're not enjoying the show. You're enjoying the show that used to be.

Every woman in this show is either a cunt, a retard, or both.
I guess Vanessa is an exception.

Daredevil Red

Fisk White

Dex Blue

Red, white and blue. USA.

I have no complaints, I got worried that a cop or task force member was going to shoot dex and that would be it for him. Good episode. Best of the season. Can't lie, I'm shocked. If the finale is even half as good as that episode then it will be the best finale to an mcu show.

Vanessa is a turbocunt.

It means Bullseye is locking the fuck in.
I think the blueish tone was chosen because the way black was inked in older comics used blues or purples for shading purposes.

Convince me this wasn't a 4D chess setup by Fisk to make people question why a blind guy jumped in front of the mayor and took a bullet for him and start connecting dots.

There were no cams people wouldnt know

There were plenty of people that were there that would've seen

So did Fisk ever tell Poindexter Matt was Daredevil in the original series? If he didn't then there's no way he doesn't know now.

Soooo what happens when Fisk finds out vanessa is behind foggy's death? Surely Fisk still remembers the deal right? Also I like that dex went after Fisk instead of Matt, because Matt helped him escape while Fisk wanted him dead.

BB Urich reports: Blind Lawyer known for representing vigilantes jumps in front of the mayor to take a bullet for him.

Back to marriage counseling

Everyone say thank you to Matt for having anger issues leading to the savior of the show escaping prison.

Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead singe-handedly saving the MCU from actual obscurity, love to see it

From my understanding, Poindexter has no clue, hes just attacking Matt and gang for the love of the game/revenge. Wouldnt be surprised if he pieced it together tho by now

In a scene like that, only a very few people would be looking in the right spot to see Matt move first, and the chaos and confusion of the gunshot going off would be much more important to everyone else. Anyone who did try to point out the blind guy took a bullet for Fisk would be called crazy and misremembering, plus the narrative of Bullseye going after Matt AGAIN would be a much stronger story in media, one that Fisk will be quick to jump on to distance himself from any connection with Dex.

Guard! He just started smashing his face into the table....

Nigga, ain't you blind?

You'd hear it

Everytime Lalo pops up in these episodes

it took 8 episodes for the show to finally be decent

Lalo runs around with a sword in his spare time.

B A S E D

Our Lad can do no wrong

Wait, were they not even going to use Bullseye in the original script?
Are they fucking retarded?

Are they fucking retarded?

Yes. They're mind raped, demoralized, dead inside, soulless, very sad people.

They were not going to bring back any character from the original show besides fisk and matt. Even vanessa was going to get recast in the original. Frank, karen, dex and foggy weren't even going to appear until the new team took over. Yes they are dumb.

kino kino kino
Except for the tooth thing which feels a bit contrived

Fisk definitely still remembers the deal. I don't think so. Only because why would fisk think that bullseye would want to shoot him? Vanessa is the one who hired him and put him in that situation.
yea that was definitely a key jingling moment of "here look see!! comic thing!!"

The og showrunners stripped every part of finesse and originality the show had to offer. Scarpadane who now helms it alongside Directors Benson/Moorhead are the reasons why the jumbled mess or pre-post overhaul stuff has kept the season coherent. The duo being the reason why tonight and next weeks episode(according to reviewers) are the highlights of the season leading into S2.

TLDR Feige fucked up majorly with the old version of this show and got bailed out

Ehh its schlocky but comic accurate. Anything to have Bullseye back though

Because the leaks have been out and everyone already knew Vanessa made the call on her own accord and Fisk ends up pissed about it due to the deal him and Matt made

really curious to see what the deleted scenes for this are, considering how much footage from the first team probably went unused

hopes:Vanessa dies

fears: Bulleye Dies

expectations: Foggy Lives

Frank, karen, dex and foggy weren't even going to appear until the new team took over

The funny thing is that the old team tried to put Frank in, but Bernthal looked at the scripts and turned them down.

I’ve been memeing on Bernthal for years but if his backbone actually put the show on track than based

Bernthal, Cox, and D'Onofrio all coming together to shit on the original aspect of the show honestly is refreshing to see

remember how close Elektra was to getting her throat slit wide open by a playing card

Nah fuck you Muse was based & this season should’ve been him having a summer of Sam kinda terror hold on NYC

I wonder if we will ever find out the full script of what they were originally gonna ship out. It'll be hilarious to see how retarded they were

at josies matt says the last time he saw josie was at the funeral. He's not coming back. The old team fucked up and we have to live with that. Would be interesting if Vanessa died though.
Kek I remember hearing this. Objectively based.

Cox

He's not off the hook. He signed off on the original version. How else would that first version exist unless he signed off and said it was ok.

Muse was so mishandled. The fact he killed 60 people out of no where felt so random. The reporter interludes would have worked if it was all people shitting themselves over Muse

does anyone find it hilarious that matt has a mother that the show completely ignores? like matt doesn't give a single fuck about her.
he cares more about bullseye who killed his best friend, lol

Even vanessa was going to get recast

Though this wasn't a creative choice, it was because of a scheduling conflict where Ayelet Zurer wasn't available when they shot the first version of the show (but became available again later).
I hope someday we get a behind the scenes look at or they release deleted scenes from before they overhauled it, see how different it was

Heather knows Matt and Fisk have a rough past

She somehow doesn't question how Fisk knew she was living with Matt

Somehow ALSO gets surprised when Matt questions her

I have never hated a character so much. Genuinely she is insanely dumb.

They can't have Matt set foot in a church. I'm not joking, Disney has a strict religion policy where they aren't allowed to show it.

Gossip says D'Onfrio convinced Cox to team up with him to complain about the quality of the show during the hiatus; the two stars expressing concern / unhappiness is reckoned at least to be part of why it got retooled.
Bernthal's objections were independent of those two, but also probably helped.
When you have the two main actors and the most popular guest star telling you your show is shit, they might be onto something.

It certainly paid off since we're getting that Punisher special that Bernthal's actually contributing to the writing process for.
I hope it leads into a series that just directly adapts Punisher Max storylines. Just take Slavers and put it on the screen. Instant kino.

Sadly it'll never happen cause Punisher's creator has a decade-long agenda in reforming the character away from what the "wrong fans" like about him.

the bit where Frank picks up and repeatedly slams the woman who runs the business side against a window while asking her how it feels to know that a man can do anything he wants to her and she can't stop it

would be kino of levels previously undreamt of

Me when I Lie. They literally have scenes in Winter Soldier, Ultron, and Dr Strange within churches

I would really love a full Death Wish treatment of Punisher, just having him kill petty criminals around a city but I don’t think Disney has the balls to do that

Damn, she is in dire need of some insemination.

That's actually faithful to the character.
Matt doesn't really forgive her for abandoning the family, and keeps interactions with her to a minimum. She's existed for almost 40 years as a character, and this is all her appearances.
marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Margaret_Murdock_(Earth-616)/Appearances

Reminder that she played a random unnamed X-Wing pilot in The Force Awakens, who survived the battle, but no one had the good sense to bring her back for Last Jedi and have her be Rose instead of the potato

Because modern Disney hates people who love Christ. Probably because most Disney staff will burst into flames if they walked into a church.

Yeah a serial killer would’ve brought a new twist to the show since we’ve seen

Organized crime

Vigilantes willing to kill

Actual proficient arch rival with Dex

A straight up serial killer would’ve been nice, especially with him doing the killings under mayor Fisk & he gets more annoyed the citizens are on his ass to catch muse

I'm a bit stupid, why did Vanessa have Foggy killed again? It was about some case he was going to win right?

The way Bernthal's talking about this special gives me some faith.
The pissy comic editors can try to sabotage the character as much as they want, but they hold no power over the movies and shows. Deadpool & Wolverine along with the retooling of Born Again at least demonstrates that Disney is warming up to the idea of letting some Marvel productions go outside the box if it can restore the brand's reputation.

Hey, genius. The comics aren't the show.

All filmed a decade ago from before the mandate was enacted

Way to prove his point

Dropped at the Kingpin cuck episode. Is it true Muse gets beaten by a fucking woman? What the fuck is going on? This whole season has been a humiliation ritual.

A few people clocked in the first few episodes, in the opening scene of the season Foggy talked about investigating something in Red Hook, Vanessa brings up Red Hook in the meeting of the gangs as some sort of free zone between gangs, then Fisk picks it as an area for his revitalization. So whatever case Foggy was working was related to them

the only humiliation ritual was the one that happened last night in your mother's bedroom with a black man

Yeah, they’re better. Except for Mark Waid.

Yea, at least thats how I interpret the scene at josie's

You missed the point where Maggie is ignored in the comics. That's a problem for both the comics AND the new show. I ain't talking about the 40 year run.

It's been a while since I watched S3, but I'm pretty sure Matt had a very strained relationship with Maggie there, too. You can easily connect the same dots.

Is it true Muse gets beaten by a fucking woman?

No??? DD fights Muse twice and whoops his ass. Heather is just an idiot vigilante hater and killed him for no reason even though Matt already had it under control

also that gang killing over that truck happened at Red Hook
also I'm pretty sure those guys were the Irish Bankrobbers from that shitty episode

A woman deals the finishing blow to Muse but that's after Daredevil beat the shit out of him. So that Daredevil doesn't have to break his no-kill rule

You’ve got good taste anon

Did Bullseye kill 30-50 people off screen this episode? How did he ealk out of a maximum security prison without confirming his identity 3 to 5 times? How did he walk into a black tie event put on by the mayor's office without confirming his identity an additional 3 to 5 times? I have to assume he simply killed every single person involved in doing that and the audience didn't see it

Luca (the guy that vanessa setup to die like an episode or 2 ago) is part of the crew that was responsible for that truck double homicide at the port earlier in the season. Because of this there was a $1.8m debt luca had to pay to victor which is why we got the bank heist scene because they needed the diamond to pay off the debt. Not sure that double homicide is related to Foggy's connection to the port though

He just kept changing suits like Hitman and avoided the enforcers that can see through disguises.
He did kill at least one person at the party to get the uniform though

He reconnected with her at the end of season 3, Einstein.

That and I wondered why, when all of Fisk's security had been told that Bullseye was loose, they didn't watch or secure the obvious vantage points and notice him taking his sweet time to line up his shot

tfw went to High School with this dick

iirc when he is on that roof shooting down at the gala there is a dead body sitting right next to him. maybe I was just seeing shit

the last shot of this episode, with matt lying on the ground, upside down with everything turning red, made think it was Matt realizing how close he is into falling straight into Hell

Have to wait an entire week to see what happens next

God I hate weekly releases. Just dump the whole season at once.

no, he skewered the Sniper with that fork he stole from the kitchen
I actually thought he was going to try to kill Fisk with that fork, but I guess that's more of a Comic Bullseye thing

Why would she hire bullseye. Fucking retarded.

I dunno man, it seems like when you want someone absolutely fucking dead that Bullseye is a pretty safe bet lol

I know it's gonna become annoying to a lot of people, but I really like how the new directors play around with the aspect ratio and the lighting at times. It's very theatrical and comic book-y.

I prefer what Netflix did with Stranger Things 4, where they divided the season in two and released them a few weeks apart.
You still get multiple episodes to binge but there's also a stretch to generate more discussion and anticipation

It reminded me of Creepshow a bit which I don’t mind since both were going for a comic style. Really it’s just nice to see them try again

What's his major malfunction?

We will find out in the finale, it's obviously setting up towards us finding out.

Its better to do something than just keep that same shot composition and color gradient they've been using for almost every episode before

This is so funny since this is the thing a fuck ton of JoJo fans complained about with batch releases

He's blue da ba dee da ba die

NOT SO FAST
she's a tranny now

But bullseye wants her and Fisk dead. Also literally no way Matt wouldnt connect the dots. Should've hired Task Master...oh. Typhoid Mary...oh. Crossbones...oh. Domino...oh. Why the fuck has Marvel wasted these street level assassin type characters?

Based Creepshow enjoyer
youtube.com/watch?v=kTRJZMJbi6s

Why would she hire bullseye

To make it look like a revenge killing with zero relation to her or Fisk. Do you people even watch the show or what? It's quite literally spelled out for you.

Theres nothing to discuss in this show. The plotting is very basic.

Fuck, didn't even realize that was a B/W edit.
youtube.com/watch?v=VcDPi5pxbJY

Creepshow

When Romero gave a shit

when he escapes prison using the guards suit and phone, he goes onto the buss and gets the phone scanned to confirm the identity. No reason for the bus driver to second guess anything if the authentication went through.

Did the writers of this even watch season 3. Even if that was her retarded plan. Dex doesnt care about Matt and his friends. He only went after Karen because Fisk manipuated him. He only ever cared was his waifu which Fisk and Vannessa had killed.

Too late. Ruined your best character, fuck mcu

ruined Doctor Strange

ruined Spiderman

ruined Thor

ruined Deadpool

And now Daredevil. Fuck off

Yeah look I know I had your girl killed but I need your help with something

literally only 1 of those 5 are ruined

Daniel the qt black chick is using you

Dex obviously did it so that he could have blackmail on vanessa and get her in jail which would ruin Fisk.

It's a use/use situation. She helped a lot by writing that "task force killed muse" piece. It's mutual.

When Romero gave a shit

I only got around to watching Land of the Dead last Halloween. It was fucking tragic. I almost find it hard to believe it gets even worse with the two movies he made after.
youtube.com/watch?v=219WdZYQCPI

Pretty Dex can one shot fisk and Vannessa. He doesnt need blackmail. Also Blackmail doesnt work on Fisk he has plot armour hacks.

Foggy is alive

shows up

saves the show

How does he keep doing it?

I hope you are right but explain why you think so considering

Matt heard his heartbeat stop in Ep 1.

Ep 8 we hear Matt and Josie mention the funeral.

Defenders villains:

big guy

guy with big gun/knife

Wow great
Can I please have a psychic demon with hellfire powers
Oh wait sorry
Boring slop

Gay if true. Did this bitch ass nigga steal the pressure ball under the armpit trick from Sherlock Holmes?

They’re fucking off screen right? Big WOP dudes and tiny black girls aren’t usually friends

Is it not weird that Heather got an invite? I know its because fisk knows she's matt gf's but to everyone else at the gala they know matt doesn't like him and want to be there which shows they are there for Heather and she is a famous therapist so it could only mean that they are a client of hers.

Is it an overreaction to say she's the hottest woman on the show?

Simply too based

Fisk should just stop throwing parties. Of the four I remember, three end up in disaster

Did they just say Bullseye has supersight or something?

Heather doesn't question when Matt slaps his cane on the waiters tray and starts dancing and spinnning her.

HUHHHHHHHH

When DD and his gf are dancing and Fisk says "I told you there would be consequences" to DD. Is that supposed to be Matt's PTSD imagining fisk saying that or is he actually threatening him on the dance floor in front of everyone?

I love how that buzzing droning noise from season 3 came back. It was neat that it was all Dex heard whenever he was deep in thought.

Daredevil and Muse are exactly the same

also I saved myself

It's like they want us to want her to die.

Well he must have something. His aims has always been supernatural

The dance floor is very noisy, but I'd imagine Fisk knows that Matt and only Matt could hear him if he kept his voice down

go to 44:49 there is a dead watchman next to Bullseye as he lines up the fisk shot

It's really obvious when this show hits you with that NOSTALGIA BLAST of "REMEMBER THE NETFLIX SHOW?????" Josie's is the easiest example because it's obvious those were all reshoots but other stuff like Matt praying right after the Kamala Khan episode is funny because it's the writers going "REMEMBER THE RELIGIOUS STUFF FROM THE NETFLIX SHOW????" without having it be a plot point like the Netflix seasons

anon... that's not what 'supervision' means

He's whispering it.

Literally what is Matts endgame at this point.
Did he release Bullseye on purpose?
Why the fuck did he save Fish?
Is he actually pulling some fucking 4d autism mastermind play or is he just going full retard at every opportunity?

Disney has a strict religion policy

No. They have an anti-Christian policy.

Aaahhh... I heard it wrong and didn't bother to rewind lol.. damn it.

He just needs to stop inviting that Poindexter fellow.

Diary of the Dead is not only cringe, but it's also embarrassing.

He tells her to lead, at least.

Did he release Bullseye on purpose?

No, clearly an accident and I doubt Matt thought he would escape.

Why did he save Fisk?

To not give anymore satisfaction to the person that killed his best friend. To not let vanessa off the hook. Vanessa is hiding from fisk that she is responsible for foggy's death and fisk would be pissed off about that because he knows that means the deal is broken, meaning that matt can go after vanessa, who fisk can't live without.

show is almost entirely devoid of thrill and suspense

show this dude on camera

"oh shit oh fuck" for 50 minutes

I am a brainlet and I don't know how they achieved this, can someone explain

This episode would've been cooler if Daredevil looked into Foggy's death right and how Bullseye got out (which he didn't do this episode) after Foggy died instead of waiting a year and then SUDDENLY deciding to investigate it

yea but even then as a blind man to know there is a speedwalking waiter nearby and to perfectly place your cane on said tray as you start dancing has got to be a red flag

He doesn't have one, everything else is happening independently of him.
He just got mad and smashed dex's face and didn't think of the consequences
We've known for a while now Matt is willing to protect the people he hates because he doesn't want people to die, he already saved Fisk from being killing by Dex in season 3

this is the first episode made entirely by the replacement team also Dex is a kino magnet

I meant to even get in the building in the first place, let alone to get to the rafters

Matt saves Fisk from an assassination attempt by Bullseye

At a big important event where Fisk and Vanessa were dancing

the temporary alliance will have to end and Matt will ultimately have to fight and beat Fisk again, after Bullseye is dealt with

kino but not new, as the season 3 finale also did this exact same setup

You have to confirm your identity more than once to leave a prison, especially if you are a guard who works closely with prisoners, even more so if you are on the same block as them.

I don't read the comics, what's the deal with Dex? He's just really good at throwing stuff? Why is getting moved to gen pop a death sentence if he can't die?

He's not that great at fighting but good at killing people with almost anything, thats his gimmick. You fist fight him and its not bad but probably even worse if 10-20 criminals gang up on him. They put him in gen pop but I think they still restrain his hands most of the time so he can't hold anything

He's just really good at throwing stuff?

Yeah. No superpowers, he's just that guy.

He's an established character and an actual menace. Every other character is basically a non entity so far and Muse jobbed hard.

I don't think it's physically possible to spit a tooth with enough force to take out someone's eye, though. That's arguably a superpower

He does a metal spine so I guess thats as close to super/enhanced. In the comics its supposed to be adamantium but it didn't exist in the MCU until recently so maybe they retcon it at some point

what's the point of matt finding out vanessa is behind foggy's death? he isn't going to kill her, hell disney might not even let him punch her. it won't mean anything if frank does it

why'd they want to gang up on him

He's a former fed

To force a conflict between he and fisk which isnt going to matter.

"You were obviously running a criminal empire and I was going to send you to jail anyway, but as a consequence of killing my best friend, I will be sending you to jail EVEN HARDER"

He was an FBI agent so I'm sure they're excited about being allowed to kill a cop

oh yeah I forgot sorry

this is the first episode made entirely by the replacement team

Episode 1 was, as well. The reboot plan had them originally just jumping right to retired Matt and Mayor Fisk with only implications of what happened.

Holy shit, DAREDEVIL shot Matt Murdock

Good episode, probably the only one this season since the next one's going to be riddled with awful CGI and wonky capeshit physics

There's a conflict with the ending of season 3 here and I wonder if it will come into play or be ignored.
The only reason the Fisks haven't publically unmasked Matt's identity as Daredevil is that Matt threatened to send Vanessa to prison, for arranging the killing of pic related. Vanessa's freedom is Matt's leverage for avoiding public exposure.
But if he sends Vanessa to prison for killing Foggy, or severely punishes her in some other way, then they would have no reason not to just tell the world who Matt is, in revenge...

Are they gonna ignore this setup? Or will Fisk and Vanessa both have to die? Or will Matt have to stop living his double life and be open about it?

The blue is just to show Bullseye is the true arch nemesis of daredevil.

Kingpin is actually Matt Murdocks nemesis as someone who uses the law and twists it for their own corrupt benefit

Bullseye isn’t like Kingpin because he doesn’t respect any kind of order. Bullseye in the comics (and by now in the show) respects no rule of law beyond one’s personal ability to enact violence

I hope we see a bullseye V Punisher fight at some point, bullseye should win but punisher could tactically retreat and try to blow him up or something

Or will Matt have to stop living his double life and be open about it?

Can't wait for him to wear the shirt.

Matt Murdock has become publicly known as daredevil multiple times in the comics at this point so maybe Fisk will reveal it

The real question is why Bullseye wasn't sent to The Raft in the first place

Bullseye is actually meant to be very good at fighting. He beat the shit out of Elektra and she’s a top tier fighter

He’s only considered “average” compared to characters like Daredevil who are able to literally see his moves coming before he even does them thanks to special abilities

This run was dogshit. Please don't do this

In the comics he can turn pretty much everything into a deadly weapon. This is not a superpower. He’s just a very very skilled man with a particular set of skills around accuracy.

He even has to impersonate Hawkeye at one point and is just as accurate with a bow and arrow but finds it more limiting than just using whatever is around.

seems like Vanessa has some beans she don't want spilled to Fisk, especially after he came clean with the whole Adam thing

He's never had any superhuman abilities or enhancements confirmed in-universe. Anyone could potentially kill someone by throwing a pool ball or a pen just right. He's just very consistent. They've gotta make room for dudes like Abomination.

They put Hawkeye in there and he’s less dangerous than Dex

Yeah but Hawkeye, Falcon, Ant-Man were rafted up when they have no powers without their gear

Clint, Scott, Sam, and Zemo all ended up in the Raft despite not having any powers. Not only are Bullseye's abilities exceptional but he also seems to have a special spine that prevents from getting crippled. That should count for something.

Wait. So you're telling me most of S1 was from some old garbage team, and that episode 1 and this latest episode are from the new team? And we have to wait until mid next year for the rest of the new team's episodes? Fuck off.

Yeah, pretty sure his rooftop tumble would have killed him or recrippled him if not for that spine

He has adamantium lacing on his bones in the comics, not the entire bones like wolverine because he’d die. In the show he has some equivalent on his spine at least

I would say that the scale of their prominence and actions led to them being held there, but then again if we take Netflix shows as canon, then losers like Diamondback and Hellcat managed to end up there as well.

You could skip episodes 2-7 and miss out on basically nothing storywise

It’s just weird because Bullseye was explicitly

a known federal agent

not killed like most of the villains in other shows, but explicitly arrested for multiple murders, is paralysed, agrees to experimental spinal procedure while in prison to not be paralysed

It’s weird frankly, that they didn’t explain why he wasn’t in prison before the events of this show. What happened between season 3 and this show? Did he escape? Or get let out because he did the experimental surgery and was given lenience because of mental illness or something?

I assumed that after the surgery, he would have escaped and that him showcasing his “talents” while escaping are the reasons they state he’s not allowed to have anything and has special hand shackles in this episode.

Is this guy and the blonde lady from some other MCU movie or show? Feels like they expect the viewers to know him

If he escaped it seems bizarre Matt wouldn’t r have heard about it and either been on guard or went after him

I think he was in the Hawkeye show. As the stepdad of Kate Bishop who is red herringed as a villain but ends up not being one

I got the vibe from the final shot of DD S3 that the japanese doctors repairing Bullseye's spine were criminal benefactors. They sounded nefarious

And we have to wait until mid next year for the rest of the new team's episodes?

At least it's not two years

Anyone else annoyed by how much the show doesn’t give detail on anything? I have to basically take unknown characters word on important shit

For example, is Kingpin actually enriching himself with this port project or is he simply trying to make it because it’s a good idea? If he IS just trying to enrich himself it’s weird he rants about how they’re stupid for not seeing how important his port project is when nobody who isn’t already on board can hear him. Likewise we see nothing to indicate what the fuck enriching himself would mean outside of generic “he owns a construction company” type shit. Which is stupid when he must own a ton of businesses

so Pointdexter stole the show again?

Oh he's a good guy then? I was under the impression that he's not, guess he'll get a team up in S2 or something

You know exactly what storyline they're going to adapt - Punisher's Wife Is Actually Alive And Thinks Frank Is A Psycho Cuck And Shoots Him. People keep trying to draw a distinction between the comic people and the movie people, but they all believe exactly the same deranged shit - or are we forgetting Kevin "stick 'em all in Burkas" Feige widdling his little panties back at the start of the MCU because Widow showed a little cleavage and Captain Marvel's comic outfit was "outdated", leading to every female character being costumed to have a terminal case of fridgebody even if they had spectacular knockers or bums IRL? They're all male-feminist poofters.

The pier is the center of criminal activity so I'm guessing Fisk's project is actually just him subsuming all of his criminal associates so he has complete control of NY, both as mayor and Kingpin.

I am now invested in this show again. Dex is the best thing right now.

This movie was good, fuck the hipsters.

Yeah the "saved myself" bit was fucking ludicrous. She was literally fucking helpless and unconscious on the floor at one point before Daredevil came in to fight him, and there's no way she would have gotten to the gun and been able to take a kill shot unless Matt tee'd him up for her. I actually didn't mind the idea of letting her contribute to beating Muse, but I forgot we're dealing with MCU writers so of course they tried to turn it into girbossery.

And Matt may have been aware and had his guard up, but the opening of Born Again takes place several years after S3. If Dex just faded into the shadows and nobody ever heard from him, Matt’s just gonna assume he’s gone. Plus it’s not like Dex actually ever had any beef with Matt and Friends, he only was after Karen because Fisk was manipulating him and in the end only wanted Fisk and Vanessa dead.

Which is a problem I have with Vanessa hiring Bullseye in the first place; She is literally the person he wants dead the most, since Fisk killed the woman Dex loved. He would never accept a contract from her and would have just whacked her.

This one again, raises more questions

Why was Matt so eager to just dismiss the whole thing as Dex being an “assassin with a grudge”

What fucking grudge against foggy? He didn’t even know who he was. He met him once in the entire show.

So why didn’t Matt investigate this shit in the aftermath of the attack?

no I gotta leave it to the authorities I personally know are shit

Bernthals punisher is too much of a softie to do most of punisher MAX right. He's constantly trying to quit being punisher and even gets talked out of killing a pedophile on his show.
plus Bernthal is unironically too much of a Respect Da Troops guy to get do Ennis punisher right.

Not watching this trash until they bring back Elektra

He keeps talking about respecting The Punisher and then pulls off some stupid shit. People are also retarded for saying he's the embodiment of the character.

I just chalked it up to him being crestfallen and guilty that his superheroics adversary got his friend killed, the friend that didn't particularly approve of him going around being a vigilante. Just kinda gave up and dropped everything until it got to the point where the show is currently at.

Which is a problem I have with Vanessa hiring Bullseye in the first place; She is literally the person he wants dead the most, since Fisk killed the woman Dex loved. He would never accept a contract from her and would have just whacked her.

We don't know the full details yet but I'm assuming Vanessa manipulated Dex into working for her, considering she was seperated from Fisk at that point and Dex is always searching for a new North Star to guide himself.

They also interacted in S3 before. Dex gave her the Rabbit in the Snowstorm painting back and it was Vanessa who ordered Dex to kill Ray Nadeem.

If Bullseye dies I'm dropping the show entirely, just saying, glad he's back

It’s honestly a bunch of shit that can only and ultimately be chalked up to modern writers. Modern writers are the bane of my existence because not only do they suck, they aren’t “story tellers” - a thing that IS different from being a writer. What pisses me off about modern writers even more is that every now and then, they’ll get a good idea for a story but write it shittily and fail to capitalize on the interesting aspects of the story.

Daredevil: Born Again is a show where so many plot elements raise questions and the answers don’t matter, because the ultimate answer is that it’s a story told by shitty modern writers.

t. Person who’s been crafting stories for almost two decades, though is admittedly mid at best as a writer

he tried to kill her once already though

Best explanation I can come up with is she paid for his spinal surgery to fix his paralysis

Real Frank fan here and I hate all these fucking tourists who do nothing but suck off Bernthal. That’s not to say Bernthal can’t be a good Punisher; he’s genuinely fantastic as Frank Castle in DD S2 and his arc ends with him no longer being Frank, but becoming The Punisher and leading into his own show. But that show pissed it all away and was an insult to who The Punisher is.

He's a fundamentally decent person, as much as you can be a decent person when you're an immensely spoiled generationally super-rich guy who always gets your own way. He keeps getting into

Oh, you thought I was stealing this sword for sinister reasons? Oh no no don't be silly, I just really like swords and I wanted to collect the famous Ronin's one

type situations, but when the real assholes show up he teams up with the good guys. Hawkeye was actually legit decent you should give it a watch.

As for the ep, I'm still really hoping they haven't actually killed Foggy and are borrowing some of the Vanessa-puppeteering witsec stuff from the comics, and the fact Bullseye is immediately back to killin' with oneshots at every opportunity plus the whole "this ep and ep1 are the new team
s work" thing does give me a sliver of optimism about it, simply because why the fuck did Bullseye not kill Foggy outright? Fingers crossed for some 8D chess scenario going on in the background and Dex actually being hired to fake Foggy's death with Tetrodotoxin B for some nefarious purpose.

Yeah, even if Frank and Vanessa are separated won’t stop Dex from wanting her dead. Dex is a true psychopath and wanted her dead because Fisk did the same to the one woman he loved. His prime drive should be wanting to return the favor, the two being separated wouldn’t change that.

Why didn’t Bullseye precisely hit foggy, plus the dozens of randoms around him. But not shoot Karen?

Dex didn’t “love” Julie. He explains it himself, he was never “into her”. He didn’t have romantic feelings for her. He used her as a moral compass and thought she was a center he could use to guide his own actions and keep himself on the straight and narrow

Kingpin killed her so he could replace that role. Which he then abandoned as soon as bullseye failed to kill Karen.

Bullseye then lost any notion of order since he doesn’t trust anyone now

I mean what makes it not season 4? It's the 4th season of the show. They can call it a "reboot" if they want but it's a continuation of the show.

I’m just mad he didn’t say “Hello, Karen. It’s nice to see you again” like he did each time he met Karen in S3. It would have been such a nice and haunting callback given every time Karen hears those words, it always precedes a slaughter. Instead Bullseye just says “Hello, Karen” as if that’s a specific phrase that means something.

Dex 100% had some kind of “love” towards Julie, even if it was a psychotic and obsessive infatuation. He can feel that way towards her and also have her be a sort of stabilizing force in his life.

Here's what we know of the pre-overhaul version

Born Again was supposed to be a soft-reboot with loose connections to the Netflix series because Marvel wanted to try something different

First season was supposed to be 18 episodes (with the second half airing in the next year as a second cour)

Show was originally structured as a procedural seperated into three-episode arcs like Andor with more emphasis on Matt being a lawyer

Foggy was mentioned to have died, Karen wasn' acknowledged at all

Show would have opened with Fisk becoming mayor, Matt already working at a new law firm (called Murdock and Associates), with a therapist GF, and having already retired as Daredevil

First arc was White Tiger, second arc was Muse, third arc would have been Punisher and the dirty cops

Fourth episode (ep. 3 in the OG version) was originally shot in one-take ala Adolescence

Muse's story was going to play out differently (you can still see the alternate version of the fight in the trailers, Ayala wasn't present at all)

Fifth episode is the only episode from the original episode left completely untouched

Harris Yulin was going to be in the show

Frank Bernthal filmed one scene as Frank (the one in ep. 4) that was supposed to be for the seventh episode before initially bailing because he didn't like the direction they were taking the Punisher. He came back after the overhaul

Vanessa was initially recast, to be played by Sandrine Holt before they could get Ayelet Zurer back

The first ep, Foggy and Karen, Bullseye, the Adam subplot, and the final two eps all came after the overhaul.

Why did they make fisk a whiny bitch again?

No, I mean why did the guy who's infamously capable of instantly killing anyone he wants to instantly kill literally everyone during that attack he tries to kill - Daredevil aside obviously - *except* for Foggy, who he merely ostensibly fatally wounds and then leaves to bleed out. Like all it takes is for one of the people at the bar that night to be a doctor or paramedic and while Dex is off grappling with Daredevil they stabilise Foggy and his supposed revenge is negated.

I've seen some argue it's about narrative/thematic shit, a setup for the moment where Foggy's heart stops just at the right instant to push Matt over the edge metaphorically and Dex literally(lol), but that'd be pretty hacky if true and also could have been accomplished by Daredevil fighting Bullseye to a standstill *before* he takes the shot that could then have instantly killed his target like he always does unless the thing he throws can't kill or a superhuman intercepts it.

Look man I know I'm reaching, I just think they did Foggy dirty and it'd be cool if he wasn't actually dead.

The F-bombs are later additions, I'm guessing

He shot foggy in the heart, I’m not sure what even paramedics on the scene could have done

If you shoot someone in the heart so severely that they can't be helped, they don't keep having a heartbeat for several minutes afterwards while you have a knock down drag out brawl with your nemesis. Assuming it was an actual sincere kill and Foggy is legit dead ie there's no ruse and heartbeat-slowing toxin involved, the only injury that explains how long it took him to die is a partially severed artery, which is survivable if you get the right kind of help quickly enough.

Mainly to get back at Kingpin. If she reintroduced herself years later as no longer being with Fisk, had nothing to do with Julie, and promised him support then I don't it implausible that Dex would fall for it again.

Like Dex clocked in that Fisk was likely the one behind hiring Julie getting a job ib the hotel with the intention of sabotaging his chances with her and that still didn't prevent him from becoming a loyal killer for Fisk (until he found out he had her killed).

Opening shot was incredible, I knew peak was back the moment dex appeared behind the window

hey NY, this murdock nigga is daredevil!

oh so the blind dude that took a shot for the mayor is a vigilante? meguess vigilantes arent bad after all m8!

I just finished the previous episode. So Matt beats up Muse, and instead of tying him up or something he just leaves him and he gets away? wtf?

If you're talking about the sewer fight, Muse's powers is that he can mask himself from any form of detection which is how he's able to get away with his serial killings, and Daredevil probably didn't hear him escape. Its mentioned a bit in the show but like once or twice

Hawkeye was actually legit decent you should give it a watch.

Is it? Felt like it kinda flew under the radar aside from Kingpin. I'm kinda bored though so maybe I will.

So there's no mention of Dex in season 2 yet. I swear I'm dropping this shit if he dies next week.

Was thinking of watching the show, are there continuity issues if I skip the Disney shows Daredevil/Fisk appeared in?

Nah they explain everything in the dialogue. I only saw Hawkeye and still have an idea of wtf happened.

They acknowledge and shortly recap what happens to Fisk in Hawkeye and Echo but that's about it

I believe someone on the set of Born Again S2 said that Wilson Bethel was back. Supposedly he's supposed to be filming a scene with Cox, Elden, and Deborah which is why they cancelled their appearances at a convention.

If you stop at Land of the Dead and pretend they ended there, that's the best thing to do, what I did anyway. I got bored and watched one, Island of the Dead or some shit about a bunch of horribly accented sheep farmers on an island and I couldnt really finish it

This is pretty bad I actually hate you slop faggots. Dexter has no reason to call Matt. If he can use his tooth to escape then he can use a marble ball or something similar. Also did he only have one bullet? Again another episode that wouldnt happen if cameras existed in this series. Season 3 even made a point that Fisk hacked all the cameras in the prison when he tried to kill Matt.

This universe makes no sense criminals can just walk out of prison, cops can just torture and kill people. And Matt realising the system is only now corrupt? Thats why you suited up in the first place you dumb fuck the system failed your father.

And this is meant to be the good episiode? kek

This universe makes no sense criminals can just walk out of prison, cops can just torture and kill people. And Matt realising the system is only now corrupt?

You say that as if Netflix DD also didn't have dirty cops straight up shoot a russian henchman in the middle of a police station just for saying Fisk's name

elektra and the hand bs was the worst part of season 2

*best

Kingpin is way overdone, he was great in S1 but boring in 3 and now apparently they brought him back again

Bro this task force is public knowledge. They're running around with Punisher skulls like retards. But then the show wants me to believe Matt would retire being DD with this level of evil out in the open. Even dumber with Frank not punishing them. Why would Cherry be upset with him helping people when the entire city is being run by a Criminal and we have serial killers on the loose. Just dumb writing.

That stuff was fine. People exaggerate how bad that stuff was.

punisher was peak season 2 and completes with season 3 as a whole, the hand felt like a CW show

is this show worth watching if i just wanna watch kingpin

The task force was formed right around the same time Matt finally came back as Daredevil to be fair and they've only recently started cracking down after Muse got killed. Frank is going to punish them next episode. Cherry only exists as a plot device

She was actually in the running for Rey but lost to Daisy Ridley, so they gave her that little cameo as a consolation prize.

The Hand storyline is genuinely atrocious, even the dialogue and filmmaking quality gets flushed down the toilet in the same episode where a peak Punisher scene happens. It's really baffling.

For as mid as Born Again can get, nothing in that show comes remotely close to Matt and Elektra having "Noo!!! There is still good in you" "No Matt, I am the evil antichrist darkness now" tier dialogue.

Moorhead and Benson sure love their stylish cinematic opening sequences
youtu.be/u6cOrgfODuI?si=WOXcH_-TbDYym4gF

I dont get it I'm not a Marvel hater. But they keep releasing these nothing shows and people seem to get hypnotised by them in the moment then later on say it was mid. Same crap happening with Born again. It has a bigger budget yet feels smaller somehow. 8 episodes and it feels like the story is just beginning. Episode 4 of season 2 feels like 10 episodes in 1 compared to this slop.

I'm fine with them taking over. It felt like actual whisplash to go from episode one to ep two.

its not working the camera lense they use is really offputting. Its either too wide or too shiny with the lensflare. It works for their low budget sci fi horror flicks but not for a gritty super hero noir show. I'm so dissapointed man. Marvel gets genuine good talent and somehow manages to turn them into shit.

His super accuracy is a consequence of tinnitus?

go to the hospital retard

I know most people larp shit on here, but it still surprises me how all over the world people just refuse to see a professional when they don't feel well.

How else would that first version exist unless he signed off and said it was ok.

I doubt either he or D'Onofrio realised the nature or extent of the original plans for Born Again when they first signed on. Much like the other leads, Cox didn't get a whole lot of work after the Netflix Daredevil was cancelled. Once Feige came calling with cameos in No Way Home, Hawkeye. She-Hulk and promising a new show, the pair of them probably leapt at the chance to get back into good, steady leading roles. From how they've talked about it in interviews, alarm bells only started ringing once they realised they were going to be basically the only two holdovers from the Netflix show. But by that point they're already under contract – it was only the break afforded by the strikes which led to the course-correct.

They were both confused by the soft-reboot concept and whether the show was supposed to be a revival or not. When the strikes happened and production stopped, Cox and D'onofrio petitioned for the change in direction with Cox in particular championing for Deborah Ann Wol and Elden Henson to come back.

Muse is coming back in S2. Seems like he was originally planned to die in the original version of Born Again but Dario is bringing him back, maybe with powers this time

What's this about the new episode being done by some new guys? Is it the old Netflix team or some other people? The episode is a lot more exciting to watch but I couldn't tell if it was actually an improvement or just because of Bullseye memberberries

meanwhile neighboring universe Daredevil just got a qt. tomboy teen sidekick

How would our daredevil react? Would he fuck?

The new showrunner they brought in for Born Again is Dario Scardapane, who was a writer on Netflix's Punisher. They also brought the stunt coordinator from the original show Phillip J. Silvera, to do some of the big fight scenes.

Wilson Bethel is filming scenes for S2 right now

Netflix's Punisher

That one wasn't good, was it?

This is actual niggerslop. I watched the Daredevil fight scene and it's fucking 15 fps and Daredevil does the quirky Reddit dialogue. I was a better writer than these people when I was 6

Matt's hag looked really good on the party

No but then again so were most of the Netflix Marvel shows

I liked the first Daredevil show, season 2 was alright. But why would I keep watching this when it's just the exact same plot every time.

Honestly, yeah. She has a QT factor other girls don't.

Episodes 1, 8 and 9 were directed by the new team. Their visual style is much more engaging than what we got before.

I still think about "Rape them to break them" every now and then

Well for what its worth this episode was pretty decent. I'll keep my expectations in check for S2.
inb4 they kill Bullseye next episode

She looks less busted than Karen at least.

BUILT FOR BWC

Does anyone know If Matt's girlfriends will be back on S2?

There was a trailer for Heather on a S2 set, though I think she's breaking up with Matt next episode so he can return to Karem

vanessa is literally hag love, especially seeing her in the red dress

How was the episode?
The one last week was utter dogshit

Are they just going to dump everything new they introduced and go back all-in to the old cast? Kinda got the feeling that this was hinted at but man does it make this season feel like a waste of time

i miss his silver rimmed glasses which catch light. These matte black ones just flatten his face

might be interesting, but i was in a meeting with renegade (tom jane's production company) regarding an indie project. he was working out with jon bernthal and they are talking about him directing a punisher feature - as in talking about his schedule and working around it. i didn't think anything of it, but then there are podcasts in the past few years where he talks about wanting to do it.

Some of the new cast members are still returning but yes, Dario Scardapane constantly talks about how Matt/Karen/Foggy are important to the show so S2 is about them in the center again.

It's pretty obvious Dario doesn't give much of a shit about the new characters beyond maybe Muse, there are S2 filming leaks of Cherry getting beaten and shot by Fisk's task force, likely clearing him away now that Karen is back since she was Matt's OG private investigator

Dexkino

She had pokies throughout this btw.

why does dexter get phone calls

why does he get visitors alone in a room

why is he in a normal prison

why isnt his hands strapped at all times

why did Matt randomly attack him

why would Fisk put him in gen pop and not just get the gaurds to kill him

why is heather a retard

How does Fisk know Matt has super hearing

why did dexter only have one bullet in his gun

why did he not go for a head shot

BB is annoying

Daniel is annoying

The cuck subplot lol

why does Matt constantly have pre-marital sex when he is supposed to be catholic?

The psychologist woman is so cringe and retarded like all psychologists

This is the only accurate thing the show does. Catholics are bunch of horny normies.

I get the feeling if the new showrunner wasn't mandated to salvage the original footage that was filmed, he would have done away with the "Matt retires as Daredevil/Fisk retires as Kingpin before relapsing" storyline and just gone straight into adapting Devil's Reign.

shes a useless reatard which is common with people in her profession

When is Fisk going to kill Vanessa?

You could really tell. I enjoyed the first two episodes but everything after that and until this episode felt so disjointed and like they were just treading water. The contrast in quality between this episode and the rest of the show is crazy.

Genuinely she is insanely dumb

All psychologists are

It's a pretty decent christmas story/grumpy old dude secretly enjoys mentoring quirky hyperactive younger person story. It's not "must watch" or anything but they manage to tell a story that appends a young female character to an existing white male character with a clear intent in future that she'll take over for him without making the girl a totally insufferable cunt who's arc is just discovering she never needed any pale stale male to tell her what to do in the first place, which puts it a cut above most Marvel content since Endgame.