Why did none of the other 6 kingdoms ever enact total ironborn death?

Anyone attacking the others invites retaliation.

Anon, no one is going to retaliate if someone says "we're going to go Death Con 3 on the Ironborn", if anything they'll join in

Perhaps, but the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The other kingdoms don't like each other, and a move on one is a chance to ally qand move back on them.

What's the difference?

Sure

Why do nobody just kill Walder Frey, or build another bridge?

They did didn't they during Balon's rebellion? They killed all his sons leaving only Theon alive who Ned took as hostage. Really they should've killed Balon's brothers as well

Controlled opposition. A king could rely on the Ironborn chimping out at least once during their reign so he had a common cause and promise of glory to unite the 7 kingdoms under. In the books it was even mentioned that the Greyjoy rebellion was the most fun Robert had as king and pretty much made his reign unquestionable

Look at a map of westeros and see where the twins are, then decide where you'll build this bridge without someone getting pissy about it.

nothing about westeros worldbuilding makes sense. The fatman is a total idiot who doesn't understand feudalism. Feudalism existed at a time when money was largely worthless and you could only pay soldiers in lands to grow food in. This system was extremely inefficient, as these landed knights and vassals had no incentive to fight for you other than social pressure. They had to leave their comfy castles to fight for free because their payment was the land they already lived on. The moment money started becoming useful in Europe again circa the 100 years war, you start seeing kingdoms weakening their noble class to replace them with salaried soldiers. Salaried soldiers don't get uppity about prolonged campaign because they are paid for their time there. Westeros had a strong money economy with multiple big cities, trade with Essos and a bank to borrow capital from. There is no reason for them to still be maintaining the feudal system. Tywin in particular should have gotten rid of it in the Westerlands. His family almost fell from power due to rebellious vassals. He should have used his wealth to fund a professional army to seize all the lands for himself, then had them ruled by appointed governors. That's what happened in both France and England. France turned this into a whole artform by forcing all the nobles to live on their own expense in the Versailes palace, where they are completely impotent yet still part of the nobility on paper.

There's some stuff to argue about, but as for Tywin, i think its heavily implied that their wealth dried up years ago and they've been faking it, which is why they dont have a fuckhuge army and just roll over everyone.

They did that's why Theon was with the Starks as a hostage. All his brothers were killed and his father was stuck on his small island.

Until the lords of the 7 kingdoms were distracted by other things during the happenings of the books it was normal for iron born to be raided and punished severely if they did anything more than stole fish from a tiny village in the north.

Right next to it. Like right down the street. The fuck are Frey niggers gonna do about it? Nobody likes Walder and he's been a jew about the river crossing for decades.
The point is to initiate conflict. If he tries to fight, who the fuck's going to back him up? His own family and bannermen despise him.

That's only in the show, and the show is dumb. Book Lannisters are still rich. We know Kevan considered footing the crown's debt with Lannister gold before Varys whacked him

If he tries to fight, who the fuck's going to back him up?

Literally everyone else because no one wants a second Walder Frey to spawn?

Your opinions are a mummers's farce.

It's hinted that the mines beneath Casterly Rock are near played out but there's nothing mention that suggests the other silver and gold mines of the Westerlands aren't still producing. In general it's still got good agriculture too, plus coastal trade and the major population center (3rd biggest city?) of Lannisport. Even if Casterly Rock was empty, they'd still be a wealthy Dynasty.

if the ironborn have so much iron why don't they just make ironclads?

Words are wind.

You need steam engines to effectively move an ironclad of any appreciable size and armour.

Unless you're going for turtle ship with oars...so yeah, fair point anon.

Cause you need to invade their islands by ship and the Ironborn have the biggest fleet?

Didn't help them against Stannis

thats kind of a stupid place to build a castle

Greyjoys were fighting against all the other kingdoms together.

The Eyrie has the title of stupidest location.

What are the logistics of feeding the Dragons on Dragonstone during Targaryen rule?
There's no port. There's no way for ships to dock and offload the supplies that would be required to keep so many dragons alive. Wouldn't they need a near endless supply of sheep, cattle, goats, chickens, basically any kind of livestock in order to keep them alive? Dozens of Dragons is going to go through possibly dozens upon dozens of livestock per day, possibly hundreds. Imagine how many calories one of the larger dragons like Vermithor would need to consume.
Not to mention the amount of fresh water they also likely require, I sure hope there's a source of it, some kind of natural spring in the dragon caves that they can all drink from.

I mean imagine the cost. Livestock certainly isn't cheap even in the world of Game of Thrones, it takes many months if not years to raise them to maturity, plenty of grass, and a good field for a shepard to graze them in, then round them all up and get them all the way to a port, the cost of that alone is very high, and then get them on a ship to bring them to dragonstone. You would need a near continuous supply of ships coming and going, docking nearly daily to deliver fresh livestock and other goods.

But to do that, you need a dock, and Dragonstone has none. In the show we see them coming and going from Dragonstone by anchoring the ships offshore, and then taking a dingy to shore. Imagine moving livestock in this manner, having to load them onto dingys and unload them at a beach lol. Then you have to somehow get a herd of livestock into the dragon caves for them to eat. Man that would get really expensive really fast, this shit would bankrupt whoever was lord of Dragonstone rapidly.

I mean just look at this fucking Island, everything would have to be moved through that mile long causeway, could you imagine how long it would take just to unload a few goats and get them all the way up to the keep?

That's what happens when you start a war against all the other kingdoms

The show is shit, that's the reason.

Dragonstone is big enough for multiple villages, a port town below the castle, a volcano, and enough space for sheep farming in the books.

Right, but my point is that before the Targaryens they weren't united so they couldn't come together to exterminate them.

what the fuck is that. how would you feed PEOPLE on that island?

every kingdom in the hbo show is the size of one skyrim town

fucking hated how they managed scale, only kings landing was respected.

Nothing about the Ironborn makes any sense. Just at the geographic level, they are naval raiders who specialize in navigating rivers with small craft, but their islands are located on the opposite side of the continent from all the rivers.

Gurm doesn't understand rivers

The Mander for example should be the same river as the Blackwater/empty into Blackwater Bay, otherwise King's Landing can't logically get the grain shipments it needs to survive

planetos

This looks so fake and shitty. CGI was a mistake.

yeah, how would they have built that?

ancient alien technology

Why did Kings landing turn into a desert in the last season

the bedding ceremony involves all the men at the wedding picking up the bride and tearing her clothes off, Cateyln recalls it vividly (in the same chapter where she dies)

Even then, they're fuckin' dragons, just like, go fly and get some food you dumb fuck.

Well if the place was real they'd have a port
Post map of rivers to prove point I'm curious

There should be dozens of towns and hundreds of castles all up the down the Trident with multiple bridges crossing the river, in fact House Frey would be one of the poorer families, as the Twins is located far upriver where less traffic and trade would have going on.

Gurm is a dumbass. Rivers are the quickest, easiest and cheapest transport routes and the surrounding drainage basin is the best hunting and farming land, which is why civilizations all started on rivers.

nta. there are no rivers on that near pike unless they go up to the north. there is a river from high garden that stops before kings landing but it looks like only foot hills. like you would assume someone would dig a canal

Ironborn

Why, what's so bad about them? I only watched the show

they are literally just vikings who raid villages

Not so much rivers as the cities, if you look at historical large cities they're always near the best source of mass transportation which in medieval times was water.

Hence the biggest cities of their times like Paris, Rome, Constantinople, etc were either on a major river that allowed grain to be brought in from as much farmland as possible or on the Mediterranean sea which did the same. The latter also goes for the major Northern European cities which relied on the Baltic grain trade.

If you meant the in universe rivers, see here well what the Mander (the reach river) should be doing is running north from around Highgarden into the Blackwater if King's Landing has enough food to actually exist. Similarly Oldtown's river (the Honeywine) should be running from south of Highgarden and bringing the rest of the Reach's food into it.

Tl;dr: Historically grain trade was almost always via sea or river until the invention of the railway because it's a bulky, (relatively) cheap good that you're not making a profit on by moving a long distance over any ancient road.

Gurm doesn't get this and has the Reach somehow feeding King's Landing with grain shipped in by horse cart.

Also for canals, they're a lot harder to dig than you'd think (most early 'canals' were 'canalised' rivers that were just made better for shipping) and the issue is you'd never have a situation arise that creates a demand to make such a canal profitable, because you'd never have a King's Landing exist without already having a cheap way to bring in grain.

More correctly, they're Vikings who don't do anything actual Vikings did except what Amerimutt pop culture says they did (raid villages and...nothing else).

Same as how the Dothraki are pop culture mongols.

A lot of Tolkienbro seethe in this thread from what I'm seeing

Cope, your favourite author sucks and couldn't even explain what happened after his unrealistic main character got his bum on the throne

admitting to being a third worlder

weird choice

>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to GRRM, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. ASOIAF had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was an all-seeing cripple, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. GRRM can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But GRRM doesn’t ask the question: What was Bran's tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these Dothraki? By the end of the war, Daenerys is gone but all of the Dothraki aren’t gone – they’re in the magically rebuilt Red Keep. Did Bran pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby Dothraki, in their little Dothraki cradles?

It's the ESL muttoid from the thread a bit ago

Learnt how to spell 'bred' yet?

Yeah with that river ending short of kings landing a canal would be a must for a vast interconnected kingdom. What does it go into huge hills?

the whole argument is that GRRM is a huge faggot about muh taxes and deconstructing the realistic consequences of a fantasy world
tolkien is about a little dude who carries a ring to a mountain and the celebration of life. tolkien cares so little about muh mundane consequences and realism he basically doesn't even mention any weapons or armor for the fellowship unless they are magic.
I have no idea what you are talking about you gay retard who doesn't own a toilet and who eats his own shit

I feel like the rivers don't make sense and have no mouth and he just drew rivers because there ought to be rivers

Taxes aren't bad and it's fun to make a world economy, you just should actually do it right or not bitch about other people's books not doing it.

That's not the mouth, that's the source of the Mander. It's probably not even navigable up to that point.

But you're right second anon, he's just made rivers because there should be rivers. If he wanted to actually make the Iron Throne's grain policy make sense, he'd have drawn the rivers after he drew the big cities if he wanted them where they currently are or drawn the cities after the rivers and put them in actually good places.

And it'd have been okay if he hadn't done either, as long as he hadn't been a cunt about 'muh tax policy'

Because the Ironborn actually live on Scandinavos, which is hard to reach without specialized ships and navigational knowledge of its location and where most of their population live as farmers and fishermen. The Iron Islands are just where their pirates and adventurers camp during the raiding season; they would never be foolish enough to permanently reside on a small island chain with no timber that's almost within rowing distance of the Westeros mainland while attempting to live as pirates indefinitely.

So they're literally the Orkneys?

Taxes aren't bad

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That's not the mouth,

yeah I should have said source/headwaters not mouth. wasn't paying attention when typing

So in the books Balon/Euron's dad actually did realize that the constant seanigger behaviour had only made them the losers of history and wanted to reorient their culture away from rape and pillage and toward commerce and fishing with quite a bit of success.
But for some reason all of his sons were fucking retarded seaniggers of the highest degree and took every opportunity (or no opportunity at all in the case of the Rebellion) to chimp the fuck out and ruin all their progress.

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I like economic worldbuilding, sue me

Explicitly and emphatically stated that Ned did not allow that to happen to her.

Apparently it was built as a larger castle and is so ancient that the stacks came after once the cliffs eroded/the rest fell into the sea

Though there's a theory it happened much faster and the Iron Islands used to be a mountainous peninsula before the Hammer of the Waters sunk the Neck