Why Hollywood can't do good scifi?

NOOO you can't have a healthy society with no crime, no addictions, no drama, no sexual degeneration, well dressed, fed and educated

"emotionless" society is le bad (it shows the cleric John Preston FEEL BETRAYED by his wife & friend; the whole society, Preston and the Father FEEL PROUD about erradicating evilness)

"emotionless" society is le bad

Tell me you're autistic without telling me you're autistic lol

Nah. OP makes a valid argument. Now make a counter argument of your own, Anon.

Gymkata > Gunkata

Why Hollywood can't do good scifi?

Why can't Hollywood do scifi well?*

> (it shows the cleric John Preston FEEL BETRAYED by his wife & friend; the whole society, Preston and the Father FEEL PROUD about erradicating evilness)

It's not an "emotionless" society, it's a "emotion-regulated" society, they still feel, just without all the drama that comes with bad emotions that the "good guys" (retards) want to bring back.

Yes, the world of equilibrium was almost the definition of a utopia. But utopias are pretty shit if you want to actually live a life of your own and not just be a cog in a machine.

How many ssri's are you on?

No

None, sadly.

Anon, you have to admit the plot of the film is pretty bad, it could be solved by

in work hours, take prozium

in free time, feel free

The end being the destruction of all prozium factories only will lead to WW4 / Librian Civil War, because not all people of Libria (the only city that exists in the world, apparently) will accept become emotionally-unregulated.

Ironically, the end of the film proves the Father was right, but people are too low-IQ to get it, despite this same retards can't stop with the "muh media literacy" BS.

But utopias are pretty shit if you want to actually live a life of your own and not just be a cog in a machine.

THIS and the end of the film proves that the Father / Libria were right.
If you feel so oppress, why you don't build your feel-free society in other place? Oh right, because the rest of the world was destroyed by emotions, being Libria (the "awful emotionless" society) the only place in the entire world where there's civilization and comfort.

There are parallelisms IRL: example, USA

democrats ruin California with their politics

democrats move to Texas

democrats now want to ruin Texas in the same way they ruined California

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I should reiterate. The world in equilibrium was a communist utopia.
Weird that you're arguing in favor of that but against the democrats who want the same thing.

Who is worse, the cop haters who side with the psycho rebels in equilibrium or the military haters who side with the bugs in starship troopers? As a media antiliterate naturalist, my opinion is that we should kill them all.

The plot is fine. You're suggesting a way to improve the society in the film.
Also, that wouldn't really solve anything. Libria only works because the state controls everything with force.

democrats are always bad no matter what. democrat is bad word. they are one cohesive monolithic bad guy enemy. republicans are good no matter what. eating the bugs and becoming emotionless is good and the right way to live.

Because it's not possible for people to be hopeful about the future anymore

First of all: KEK.

Second: if only John Preston was Cleric Bateman, the film would have been awesome.
I swear, the film had it all for being a 10/10 except the script (moral system).

The aesthetics were superb.

Starship troopers has a liberalist utopia.
Equilibrium has a communist utopia.
So I'll side with the federation in ST and the rebels in Equilibrium.

communist utopia.

I see it more as an atheistic cleric-fascism one. But anyway, seeing currently society, I would love to live in that society.

The plot isn't the main focus of the film, the action is.

Hollywood is bad, so any smart and culturally intelligent counterculture superman Anon Babble man will always do the right thing and side with the antagonist in their movies or the "intended antagonist" when the movies are ironic.

do you have single fact to back up that?

Yeah, I read Marx.

Except shitposting on social media isn't the same as posting the big red button.

why do we let you post here
fucking communist shitter

I know that, anon. But imagine if Kamala had won, or Hillary (she wanted to start a nuclear war with Iran).

Unregulated emotions will ruin the world, thanks to women and fags, that's for sure, maybe not this next decades, but they will.

People did that to survive before civilization came into being.
Civilized societies cannot function under communism without strict government control at every level. It is utterly dependent on the state and saying "but we don't want it to be eventually" doesn't change that fact.
And nowhere in the image you posted do I see it even implied that there will be no state. Do you have a relevant example?

you can't pursue your own goals or change profession outside of communist societies

This guy is just a pompous nincompoop.

Because there's nothing awe-inspiring anymore about contemplating the future or exploring the impact of science on society which is the crux of science fiction.

DEI, wokeness, the writers' strike of 2008, and other factors have all contributed to the dismal state of fiction, whether visual or printed. I say this as a hardcore anti-Bush Jr. liberal in the 2000's during high school and undergrad.

Nowadays nothing scientific can be written without hamfisting some token diversity or making a talking point how strong and empowered non-white non-binary womyn are.

20 years ago, I wouldn't have believed there would be culture wars post-covid.

I'm always amazed at the level of Anon Babble brainrot on here. Absolutely mindbroken.

The thing is, this film was released in 2002, in that year and decade, there were still optimistic scifi shows and films (I think this's one of the reasons why it flooped).

It truly surprises me how none of this "notice things" gurus see nor talk about the "hopeless-future agenda" of current scifi (at best, they just do "Blade Runner 2049 Ryan Gosling literally me" memes, but nothing more).

Because it's not a hopeless future anymore. It's just the world we live in.
This shit isn't as interesting or fun to watch when it no longer feels removed from reality.

I'm not supporting communism, read how the discussion started:
I was answering this anon about why I think Libria fits more as a fascistic utopia than a communistic one.

I think I'd join in killing the dogs and laugh maniacally. I love dogs but I think it would be like some intrusive thought/awkward laughter, breaking a taboo by slaughtering these puppies.

Would give it away.

I got reminded of a guy we played against in Twilight Imperium that was apparently completely bewildered that after he "poked" his neighbour the player decided to scale a vendetta against him. He kept saying "this is illogical, this isn't an optimal move" while getting crashed.

I would kill anything given the chance. Bugs, babies, women, kittens, men, homosexuals, rapists, pedos, cops. Doesn't matter. Killing is the destruction of another life and is the ultimate form of self-actualisation. By killing another, you prove that your life has power. Violence is force from which all authority stems.

Marx's point was that he was just observing the pattern of civilisations and revolutions. He didn't 'invent' communism, just pushed for it.

His basic theory was that there'd be a revolution then a people's state then a stateless society. Anarchists want to skip ahead to stateless society which is why they're stupid.

Of course we need a state in some form, pure libertarians just pretend they don't and selectively ignore the parts they don't notice/use/care about.

anti-Bush Jr. liberal in the 2000's

Kinda ironic how the 00s anti-Bush liberals of Hollywood got cucked by Bush in those years, just check BattleStar Galactica ending, apparently that awful ending was made to appease the schizo-christians from Bush era.

Because there's nothing awe-inspiring anymore about contemplating the future or exploring the impact of science on society which is the crux of science fiction.

I can't agree more, I'm tired of searching scifi feels just to see "current things/problems" but with "Paris fashion-week futuristic" aesthetics.

Even if you just want a war film but in the future / space, you CAN'T HAVE that too, it's just talking and drama, but no war, and even if they finally put action scenes, they don't make any sense (most recent examples of both action and science impact: Halo, Dune, Foundation, was an Asimov enjoyer, the last one really hurts).

Cringe edgelord

He's absolutely right and I'd dock you in his name.

I feel this way sexually. You hear about rich kids doing A Clockwork Orange type shit because they can just pay everything off.

The novel Crash was specific, but I get it. Crashing cars on purpose for the erotic thrill. I've had partners who are 'into BDSM' but what they really mean is some specific role-playing thing. I don't want to choke to someone to death. But in a Holodeck? Yeah sure.

If the only way you can think of to prove that "your life has power" whatever that means, is to kill something else, then you have no power at all.

True, the thing, we can't even have the cool things of cyberpunk and other scifi dystopias, we aren't just an IRL global dystopia, but a LAME global dystopia.

At this point, everytime I see Equilibrium or any similar film, I just watch the first part (good part) and then stop watching it.

BattleStar Galactica ending,

Yeah don't remind. I loved the 2000s remake but that ending pissed me off.

I was anti-Bush because I thought Iraq was a waste of time. We should've just focused on Afghanistan and instead we spread ourselves too thin.

Say what you want about Bush Jr., but he didn't antagonize our allies like Trump is doing currently.

Foundation

I didn't bother to see that because I know they'd fuck it up.

I don't mind talking so long as it's GOOD dialogue like Rome-level subtlety and word play.

We're heading to Elysium, that Matt Damon film where the elitist bastards live in an orbital space station with luxuries while the rest of us are stuck on a polluted Earth for grinding wages to barely survive.

We need another global catastrophe. Like a major world war or an actual disease that will kill millions. We can rebuild again.

call the cops you twit

NTA but one of the truest moments of living a life in the old days was the thrill of killing a man that can kill you. The anon is obviously either trolling or actually an autist whose psychopathic but if shit was collapsing, I'd want to get some payback on shitrags I hate. I wouldn't kill innocent people and strangers.

Makes you wonder how guys in pre-modern times indulged in rape? Especially during warfare when it was considered spoils of conquest?

Because those are fiction meant to entertain and set up stories in a way that feel structured and with transitions between positive and negative states.
The real world isn't made like a movie. If you had cool shit to enjoy or distract yourself with it or paths you could take to find some kind of purpose or fulfillment then it wouldn't really be that much of a dystopia.
It would be like a prison with unlocked doors or at the very least, a bunch of entertainment centers and whatnot (which just makes it a state sponsored home).
The real world isn't a lame dystopia, it's a real one. A prison for your soul or mind or whatever you want to call it, that you can't escape from.
A bit dramatic I admit but it's heading there.

Why would I waste their time with a powerless autismo venting their impotent rage on the internet? lol

That scene was just to show the "comical evil", I think at that point the director and writers need to show a powerful scene, because for most of the film, Libria is the ideal society.

The thing is even that scene makes sense. If you live in a post-nuclear-apocalyptic society, you don't have the luxury to have pets, those dogs could have any illnesses that would destroy Libria, so even if its sad their deletion, it's necessary.

It also a fast and painless dead, since you just have to shoot them in the brain.

Makes you wonder how guys in pre-modern times indulged in rape?

What's there to wonder? They were able men and just took girls by force. Modern stigma free it's just how it works.

We need another global catastrophe. Like a major world war or an actual disease that will kill millions. We can rebuild again.

Profoundly naive to think the people in power wouldn't come out on top in a scenario like that.
The pandemic taught them everything they needed to know.

So now you avoid even a theoretical confrontation. Good job you wuss.

We're heading to Elysium

That film is literally for the most subhuman low-IQ spitiful mutants that exist on Earth.

How to solve all Elysium's problems:

stop breeding like dysgenic rabbits

How Elysium ending is actually:

the white bastion is destroyed, white race eliminated

mutts and non-whites can now breed even more dysgenics because Elysium's tech

destroying Earth even more

Matt Damon is a cuck that dies in the end

I didn't bother to see that because I know they'd fuck it up.

I didn't watch it either, I just saw the trailer. The only good thing of current trailers is they tell the whole plot, so you don't have to waste time nor money.

I loved the 2000s remake but that ending pissed me off.

Until what season should I stop watching it, when goes to shit?

I'm talking Black Death or Plague of Justinian level type of contagion. Even the people in power won't be safe. Sure they can hunker down in their bunkers, but you think any of them know how to grow crops, assemble machines, do carpentry, pull a tooth, do surgery, etc.? They need the working and professional classes and those will be decimated.

Sad attempt at a response but here you go, here's your (you).
Now go do your homework.

Yeah it's not like that information is available everywhere or anything.

I feel like reading a Fascist / Futurist speech from 1925. I guess we're back.

I'm actually sad for you for how comfortable you feel, without any shred of doubt.

Information is one thing, you think those lazy entitled bastards would sully their hands to operate a machine press? Weld? Wake up at dawn to harvest grain or milk a cow?

Thank you, your tears nourish me.
Why, it always makes me feel like I'm exercising some sort of power over you.

Is this really your argument? The working class will take over because the elites are lazy?
People will kill to maintain power.

Yeah but putting aside the lizard brain of getting off of raping a resisting qt, your conscience would bother you wouldn't it?

I'm not an edgelord but I do have rape fantasies. But they're just that; fantasies. I know deep down it's wrong though forcing a beautiful girl into sex does excite me.

A bit dramatic

describes reality like how it is

Nah, anon, you describe it perfectly, and I re-read what I wrote and what you wrote, and you 're right:

The real world isn't a lame dystopia, it's a real one.

My mind is so fucked up by Hollywood that I thought that dystopias could have cool things.

Unironical question, is there a way to clean your mind from Hollywood's poison?

Revolution is a middle class thing. It's always been that way. The middle class and lower ends of the upper class slaughtered and displaced the elitists on top.

Honestly, why the fuck would millions of talented and skilled people need to listen to some silver-spoon bastard when we can manage ourselves?

I'm no warrior for sure, but let's say I've seen my share of life and what you say by "bothering conscience" often simply doesn't exist or is dulled by substance abuse. I'll go cringe for a bit but learn some empathy and realise not everyone is a calculating withdrawn pussy.

I don't fucking know man. I just want to free myself from this shithole and live a good life and put in some effort to becoming a better version of myself.
Maybe that's all we can do.

Do you think rapes only happened hundreds/thousands of years ago? Look up what happened in Bosnia in the 90's. Tens of thousands of women/girls raped. Doesn't matter the age, even little girls of seven. If you were part of the army, you'd be ordered to do it and face severe punishment if you refused. Tens of thousands of males were disappeared to be executed and mass murdered. This shit can happen anywhere at anytime and very little is standing in the way of society devolving back into it even temporarily.

Yeah I'm aware of how fucked up the Yugoslav wars were.

I sorta want that to happen here. I want a massive happening just to indulge in murdering certain people I loathe and raping their wives/daughters. Obviously I don't want people to know what I did and I'll just revert back to being mild-mannered guy and never do it again because I've indulged in it and try to help rebuild society again.

Jesus christ man. Just take a trip to one of asian fuckplaces. You should not want your home to devolve.

Same, anon, same. The problem is my mind is fucked up by over-stimulation that feels like a boring eternity.

And even one a day I manage to be "healthy" (as much as I can in my current reality), when I want to momentarily log-off from thoughts and enjoy a comedy (example), I can't, I always notice the patterns, even in the old films from the 40s.

Why not? My neighbours are the people who deserve death and suffering the most.

OP here, I don't know how this thread has degenerate so much from discussion the bad plot of Equilibrium to wanting to become a Slaanesh follower. But that proves me why we need unironically an IRL prozium.

Normally I agree that I don't want my neighborhood, community, and country to devolve into a shithole like 90's Yugoslavia did. But the world needs a revamp. We've been living high and mighty for decades. There's been no major war since 1945. We've grown soft and decadent. The bastards in charge need to be taken down a peg and things need to be sorted out.

I'm not gonna pretend that I'll be guaranteed to survive. I might just shoot myself after weeks of not properly eating, not having running water, etc. But I do admit the allure of committing murder and rape on my list of names is what would compel me to stick it out as long as I can.

I've already fucked orientals. Had 3 trips to Thailand and the Philippines. Slapped, throat-raped, and choked out those cute little brownies. But they're bugs so it doesn't illicit the same response of doing it to an actual female.

Well why don't you like them? Are they not like you or not how you want them to be? Why would a "cleanse" result in better neighbours? If you really care you should care about your local community but you don't and even offload the genocide onto someone else.

What's the difference?

Thanks and sorry, anon. My apologies.

Incorporated would be a better analogy.

Good morning, sar.

Never seen that but will now after reading up on it

But you get what I mean? I will never be a Commie but I don't like corporations running our lives either.

Incorporated

corpo-yuppie lifestyle

it's all based around saving another girl (wow, the innovation and creativity)

I miss when scifi was about cool future realities and characters were charismatic, and not about being a simp in the digital era.

The duality of man. What the fuck.

I will never be a Commie but I don't like corporations running our lives either.

Third-position?

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Also:

Ok, sounds pretty cool. Thanks anon.

Sad this didn't become a huge meme.

My position has always been American. Corporations are businesses; yes we depend on them but they do not fucking dictate every facet of life and replace the government.

The government and State in general is the apparatus that protects my freedoms and the land I live in. In turn, I pay them taxes and owe allegiance to them so long as they do their damned job in making sure we live in an orderly society of laws and regulation. This includes making sure corrupt businesses don't fuck over consumers with shady practices, but I don't want the government to step in and nationalize everything either.

OP discusses about the non-sense of the script

anon with low-IQ: is this a Anon Babble reference?

It takes practice. Your brain has taken years to adapt to this overstimulation.
Give it a few months timeout at least to recalibrate.
I can assure you it gets easier, much like trying to reduce sugar intake etc.

they do not fucking dictate every facet of life and replace the government

doubt
Ever heard of lobbying? Looked into how much of a problem it's become?
They might as well be the government at this point.

I still have a choice. The power has been in the hands of the consumer.

Lurk moar newfag

Sounds like you're Neo-Cameralist (Cameralism was the ideology of Frederick II 'the Great' of Prussia).

Sadly, anon, for that your nation should do eugenics (improve high-IQ) and since '45 has only been doing dysgenics.

Do you have a "routine" or some advices to make it permanently? I always fall again after some days of doing it right. I feel like Sisyphus with the rock.

They might as well be the government at this point.

They literally are. Elon and the other billionaire elite bought the current presidency to do their bidding.

Just never give up trying. Eventually you might end up hating your failures so much you have an epiphany and just end up committing to it long enough for it to stick.
I don't know honestly, but I will never stop trying and everytime I fail I'm that much more committed to making it last longer the next time.

Elon and the other billionaire elite bought the current presidency

the current presidency

OH, Oh anon. That's precious.

Just never give up trying.

That's not a helpful thing. You need to see progress to have motivation to continue trying. Your real solution is to make some drastic changes to your daily life. Get out walking more, go explore the woods, take up hobbies, volunteer, do something that takes up time and gets you around other people. If you're just sitting around, always next to the vices you don't want, then they will eventually draw you back into your old routine. Set a goal for what you want to do for April and try to stick to it.

good sci-fi is as rare as cross generational pieces of music. Even the original twilight zone had a few misses that no one talks about.

Modern scifi fails because most faggot elite in Hollywood exist in a perpetual sense of entitlement, and since science fiction builds off a social technological need (necessity is the mother of invention), all they can sell time and time again is the "necessity" created within a prissy, faggot world.

The progress is that you commit to doing it at least longer than last time.
Unless you try to "game the system" by only doing it one day longer at a time or something on purpose, that will build up quick.
But you're right about the other things. Set goals, long term and short term and keep working towards them.

There is plenty of good sci-fi out there. You can't just expect hollywood to find it all and make it specifically for you. Movies in general are in a heavy state of decline right now, which is why they're focusing entirely on sequels/prequels rather than new stuff. Regardless, anons on Anon Babble quickly discard plenty of great scifi based on trivial quibbles and low attention spans

check IRL current thungs (normies want WW3 to destroy "muh evil Putin")

Lmao, most countries didn't even send troops to oinkraine and the younger crowd doesn't want to join the army or defend their country due to (((possed))) politicians. You dumb gorilla faggot nigger.

Agree anon, but for once I would like to see "boredom is the father of invention", aka, we create cool things because we can and we have nothing better to do.

Also, I can find good and great music for easily than good scifi (great scifi is an unicorn at this point).

Me

just want great war films in space / scifi war films

where people know what to do and don't complain, cry or dramatised every decision every 5 seconds

and don't re-used the same 5 cliches since the late 70s

even when I want to see a non-war scifi film, I have to suffer for some unnecessary dramatic / cliche moment

You

You can't just expect hollywood to find it all and make it specifically for you.

Wow, I didn't know I was asking for such difficult, near impossible goal.

There is plenty of good sci-fi out there.

I tried to find it, I don't know what are your requirements to classify scifi as good or bad, but what I mostly find is meh-to-terrible.

If you're just sitting around, always next to the vices you don't want, then they will eventually draw you back into your old routine.

The problem is my current situation for me to be usually next to my vices.

I would love to go to the woods and do outdoors hobbies, sadly I live in a city, a very boring and lame one.

I think my brain is so fried that feels nearly impossible.

I'm a mess. But thanks for the help.

t. mutt

That's why they're going full propaganda.

ssri

Does it actually work?