The sequels really fucked Star Wars ability to be a long lasting franchise

The sequels really fucked Star Wars ability to be a long lasting franchise.

Seems like it’s impossible to have any project set during or after the events of the sequel trilogy because it feels so pointless

the empire collapses, but the new republic (led by Mon Mothma and other characters we are meant to see as competent) make such bad decisions they get destroyed by a small extremist organisation in the first order

the new force lore makes it feel completely pointless whether the Jedi or sith win at a certain time, there will ALWAYS be balance made by the force itself. So any sufficiently powerful with will just keep getting new overpowered Jedi created to destroy them

zero interesting characters people care enough about to want to see expanded media of, even the main ones

I guess this is why all Star Wars shit Disney has made outside the sequels has been set during the rebellion, just after the emperor died and there’s still a civil war going on, or in the years before the first Death Star

You can’t just make content in this short space of time forever. I assume this is why they pushed hard for some show to be set in the ancient republic, they made the acolyte and that was long ago but it was so bad I think they gave up on that too

Also makes so much of this expanded media feel irrelevant because of how things ended in the movies

Why do we care if young luke has a CGI cameo in Ahsoka/mandalorian if we know he fails completely and all his students die?

Why do we care about all the sacrifices made by rebels in Andor if they piss away their freedom the second they win?

I really really enjoyed Andor. Great self contained show. But the momentous reveal of the Death Star and its implications once completed, the lengths the empire was going to in order to construct it. Just makes me wonder how the first order built a planet sized one that’s much more powerful and even more of a secret with much less resources

Luther Rael and Andor died for literally nothing

Well, yes. We know that.

You can’t just make content in this short space of time forever. I assume this is why they pushed hard for some show to be set in the ancient republic, they made the acolyte and that was long ago but it was so bad I think they gave up on that too

I think the "high republic" crap got scrapped pretty quick too. It felt so hamfisted when I was playing Jedi Survivor. Only a matter of time before they ruin KOTOR.

Disney is completely devoid of any kind of creativity that the OT or the Prequels had. Make fun of the bad dialogue/script all you want but the prequels had amazing planets/aliens/ships/weapons.

Lucas's retarded rule of two is what ruins Star Wars. Would be mega kino to see an army of Sith against an army of Jedi but nooooo "Only two there are." George Lucas is a retard.

go woke go broke

The rule of two wasn’t forever though

Onions wars

Sorry not reading your thread

modern curse words

TVs with cheesy "welcome to our place!" videos

within the first 15 minutes

I fucking hate nu-Star-Wars
Might as well add skibity toilet and twerking while they're fucking at it

the rule of two isnt a hard rule, its more a statement on how the sith eat their own through ambition and backstabbing. they cant operate in a larger organization because they would constantly be losing leadership to political and literal knives in the back, and with their inability to organize amongst themselves, if they reveal their presence they get crushed under the overwhelming size and might of the republic.

Why is any of this bad?

modern curse words

youtube.com/watch?v=AyKrIfPN8CQ

they were in the OT too, nevermind that they implied the existence/knowledge of christian hell

only damn

Retard

han says hell a couple times

also damn and hell in 1977 was considered more vulgar than it would be today

youtube.com/watch?v=dPiBt3cXAbo

end of the clip. and he isnt just like "aww hell" as an explitive. he specifically uses the phrasing that refers to hell as a place, as in the devils hell.

I was legit excited for The Rise of Skywalker when one of the rumors was that they were going to feature the Knights of Ren heavily, like with them being full characters.

Having Rei facing down a whole-ass army of dark side users, and Kylo being genuinely stuck in choosing between villainy & bro's and heroism & Rei seemed like a good one.

It would still be awesome to see something like it, a whole-ass army of dark side users, and then maybe a couple or three Jedi or similar on the other side. The only place to put it would be in sequel times, so they should do it.

we need a new star wars movie, quick what do we do?

okay okay, hear me out

empire

red lightsaber

new deathstar

desert kid becomes jedi

new stormtroopers

droid companion, speaks only in beeps

star destroyer

remember darth vader? okay but just the helmet

the main characters are all related to the previous main characters

wise cracking sidekick pilot

old evil wizard guy in robes

chewbacca

han solo

member these?

i member

Why don't they make a Star Wars show that isn't for nerds or old ladies. I want to see a stylish, action Star Wars for people who know nothing about the series, something more like Cowboy Bebop and The Matrix...
Guess "audiences" only want to see slow burn, overacted Breaking Bad type shit tho...

andor pretty much functions without any prior knowledge of star wars, though its not really action oriented, its more of a political thriller.

you could argue mando fills that niche, you really dont need to know any star wars to enjoy that, you could watch it purely as a western

destroyed by a small extremist organisation in the first order

And then the Resistance won in the end

I saw some of Andor, the special effects and set design were great, just like most nu star wars, but the direction and plot seemed like that typical sort of slow burn drama that all TV is nowadays. I like to find more lively shows, in my opinion the Breaking Bad style of drawing out the drama, ending every episode on a cliff hanger... I'm sick of it, I like media with a little more style.

Rian Johnson killed Star wars

The NT needs to be fully retconned and the EU needs to be explored. It's pathetic that the side content for Star Wars is better than the main story at this point. Also, unless you're doing a skywalker story, it's probably pointless to do a star wars movie. There's no other characters that are interesting.

God damn do I hate the newest triology.
The prequels are heavy handed but I at least enjoy the plot points.
Andor is fine overall/good moments
7/8/9 are so bad.

I wish instead of getting 7/8/9 we'd either have gotten some Old Republic story.(Bane maybe/rule of two inventor*) or so far in the future away from "Skywalkers"

I'll just ignore the sequels completely. The new stuff is going to be set farther in the future, so I'll just pretend I don't know what happens between ROTJ and then.

The problem is they keep writing the same fucking story. Everything in the franchise is connected to the older films because they are creativly bankrupt and thrive off it's dumb audience seeing member berries and clapping. Like that really bad old republic show that came out last year, it's entire catch was "omg it's darth plagues! Remember when palpatine talked about him!" and bullshit like that. Even when they went forward in time for post-return of the Jedi content, it's the same old shit with the first order. Star wars has zero room for creativity. There should never have been more than one movie in 1977. Rich Evans from reddit media said it best. There is nowhere to go with star wars stories. It was built on one premise that was done well and the rest is just regurgitating the same shit. If you want some space story with spies and rebels fighting the government, then make it something outside of star wars. But they won't do that because their audience is normies that clap and shit themselves over Mon Mothma, a completely forgettable character from return of the jedi.

And he's going to direct another Star Wars film. Cannot wait for the Fandom Menace meltdown.

andor is shot in a very specific way, in 3 episode segments, where each set of 3 episodes actually functions like a small movie. so its better almost to think of andor seasons as sets of 4 short movies rather than 12 episodes. and you should view them in that way.

but it is somewhat slowburn, especially earlier into the show, so i can see how if that isnt your jam, it wouldnt be a good watch.

mando tends to be more focused on single episodes in the first 2 seasons. third season is more of an overarching continuous story, though i dont think i would call any of mando slow burn.

Lucas is a genius, he sold his franchise for billions and got out leaving retarded star wars fans to soil their panties over stupid lore like this.

That's what Mando was for a short time...
Such a fucking shamed it got cannibalized into the franchise's Main narrative.

J.J already did that. Ryan just publically raped It's corpse.

All fantasy is science fiction, cranium.

We already got The Acolyte with martial arts fights, but chuds got mad about the show for some reason.

Why is any of this bad?

What good does it do?
You just trade a bunch of beloved iconic characters and give their achievements to new lesser liked ones. 3 movies later and you've gained nothing but a bunch of characters nobody really likes. The story is still now in the exact same spot it was to start.

It would be one to see those failures, to see how things fell apart, but we never get that. We're just told that these characters just suck now and everything they did sucked. Here's your new heroes, like them now instead.

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Star Wars is really more fantasy than science fiction. And with fantasy you need to go BACKWARDS in time with future installments not forward.

Tolkien has explained it how the future is always decaying and the past is always bigger and grander. That is the exact deal with Star Wars. The OT is the end of the setting. And anyone that follows the lore knows that the past of the SW universe is bigger and grander in scope and scale. Even the PT is bigger in scope and scale than the OT. With fantasy taking the story into the future is always lame and cringe. That's how you end up with lame shit like the Sun Crusher and Death Star Destroyers. The past is where it's at

Because the show was fucking bad and you know why. Everyone hated it and it got cancelled. Was more than "chuds"

I don't have a wojak handy but your post deserves one.

All they fucking needed to do was a Jedi Academy aka Harry Potter in space fighting some threat that wasn’t a reskinned Empire and they would have stayed true to the lore and printed money off lightsabers and Jedi robes

They work on a different ground. Sci-fi starts as peculation on the future based on current knowledge, and as such it's thematic elements linger upon questions about of the advancement of humanity and the changing conceptions about ourselves we'll have to face. Fantasy has It's roots on mythological thinking, having been molded by the ways and structures of the past (hance the medieval iconography and the presence of magic, an idea abandones long ago irl), and concerns itself with things that have been part of us since antiquity like spirituality and out fixation on symbolism.
SW is best described as fantasy with a sci-fi coat of paint since it's basis is almost purely mythological/magical, and the more traditional sci-fi plots have never been given much attention.

Sorry that is a retarded idea. Nobody wants harry potter in space. We didn't grow up reading that crap.

Exactly. Technology doesn't really advance in Star Wars. It's been the same technology for 4000 years. It's a fantasy setting the same way you can have a medieval high fantasy setting with horses swords and bows and arrows with 4000 years if history and no technical advancement. Technological advancement literally kills the setting in fantasy. It's how you get bullshit like Death Star Destroyers and hyperspace tracking and other retarded shit that doesn't belong.

You can’t just make content in this short space of time forever.

Sure you can. It's a galaxy. System politics, regional galactic politics vs. Imperial core. Clone War factions that want out of this despite supporting the Republic (CIS systems that saw what was coming). If Iger wasn't a boomer prioritizing quick turnover profit on a sequel trilogy, they'd have gone forward with Underworld in a Shadows of the Empire style multimedia campaign for eight years at least to set up new films.

The recognizably umodified Kalashnikov is representative of the failure to get the retrofuturistic aesthetic. They ought to have set and prop designers capable of taking things from the consumer and military hardware markets since ROTJ and retrofit them until they're at least not quite recognizable.

I loved Andor but I was more bothered by the Polaroid camera than the guns. It's not like Polaroids are ancient artifacts trim a thousand years ago that nobody would recognize. It was a extremely zoomer type mentality by the prop designer thinking a Polaroid was something wildly exotic.

WW2 was five years. And there is an endless genre of it. Literally endless.

Imagine the timeline where Star Wars got sold to Dreamworks or Warner Brothers instead.

WB would have crushed it with SW but I don't think they had $4 billion dollars lying around.

Maybe mid-2000's Warner Brothers. But right now WB is running basically all their IPs across all forms of media into the ground.

Still would've been way better off. I think if Star Wars wasn't sold to Disney, once it got out of the edgy era like everything else did we could've possibly gotten some truly introspective stories as it evolved instead of torching everything that came before.

Fandom Menace

fags

It's almost as if the series is cyclical and is about how fascism never goes away and you have to keep up the fight or something. Amazing how you chuds don't understand the very thing you claim to love so much.

Star Wars is a victim of it's own existence
People care so much about the universe that came after the original movies so much they forget that it was originally just a space fantasy movie that was once full of wonder and mystery and is now so explained and exploited
Everything released cheapens it's original uniqueness

Describe the following Star Wars character without saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role in the show was

Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit

Emperor dies, Empire loses

New Republic immediately gets rid of all their fleet and weapons

they now have no standing army of any kind, maybe just border patrol

turns out the Empire didn't get rid of all their ships too, for some reason

now they have all the ships and the New Republic doesn't have any

also they have a new Death Star that can shoot from across the galaxy through hyperspace and destroy multiple planets at once

oh, you can also hyperspace ram ships

oh, also jedi can fly through space unassisted now

It was a hit job.

When's that coming out again? It at least has a confirmed slot on the production schedule, right? A writer attached? A vague outline?

Go home Kathy, you're senile.

Describe yourself with those restrictions

Lol at people saying that TLJ ruined Star Wars. The Force Awakens is what ruined Star Wars.You should finally accept it.
It created this dull, completely derivative setting with boring villains, dumb politics and uninteresting characters. Even Disney knows this. They completely dropped it and make all their spin-offs prequels or midquels (in the OT era).

Zoomies are unironically holding their palm flat against the side of their face as a new version of "call me" because they've never used a phone that wasn't a blank obelisk. I was recently having a discussion with a coworker about having a portable CD player growing up and the fucking fetus who works the front desk overheard and unironically said

Oh wow you don't look old enough to have been alive in the 50's bruh

A buddy's kid asked me what PC stands for recently. Polaroids being A Thing That Everyone Knows is coming up on being *40 years ago* anon - there are people who have school age children who've never used one and maybe saw one twice in old movies when they were kids themselves.

Actually it's almost as if you're a fucking homosexual who spend all his time learning Media Literacy instead of something useful, and so don't understand that Star Wars is a space fantasy about good guys beating bad guys.

he had a piece of ass for every planet he stayed at

Rian Johnson, the writer/director of The Last Jedi (2017), is confirmed to write and direct the first film of a new trilogy he was outlining as of early 2019 with Ram Bergman producing alongside Kennedy. It was said to differ from the Skywalker-focused films in favor of focusing on new characters and possibly a different era than the main film franchise.

The project was considered to have been "back-burnered" by May 2022 due to Johnson's involvement with other projects, including the Knives Out franchise.

Johnson indicated that he would make at least one more film in that series following Glass Onion before returning to Star Wars.

Do you not realize it takes way more energy to do a back flip on a planet than move around in zero gravity?

TFA set Star Wars up for failure, but TLJ is what made that failure concrete and real. A sufficiently talented filmmaker with a good enough plan and enough love for the IP could have crafted two follow up movies to TFA which would have made for a satisfying and coherent narrative, and TFA would have been regarded as the RotJ of its trilogy; the Just Fine one(I personally dispute that characterisation of RotJ, it has some of the best moments in the whole franchise, but it's undeniable that the accepted normie consensus view is that RotJ is the Meh OT movie)

Then Rian Johnson walked in like a philharmonic conductor, tapped his pointer officiously, copped a squat, and noisily squeezed out TLJ - that was the moment Star Wars died, and no amount of revisionism trying to cast the blame at the feet of JJ's mere mediocrity will change that.

No release date.

No shooting date.

No production date.

No writer.

No synopsis.

No vague story outline.

No point.

No hope.

No chance.

Never gonna happen.

Happy endings, hell endings as a whole are childish.

Grow up.

revisionism

It's not revisionism, it's a fact that Star Wars fans don't want to accept. They are still just dumb fanboys in their hearts angry that Luke wasn't some badass warrior.
If you look at the big picture then you realize that TFA was more damaging to the franchise as a whole.

The Sequels are not Canon. Simple as. Let the Gilroys just overwrite it

Andor literally is that?

It was a combined effort. You cannot ruin an IP like Star Wars with a single bad movie. The Christmas special didn't kill Star Wars, people just ignore it.
What JJ Abrams did was create a soulless copy of Star Wars that sucked out all of Star Wars magic and left an empty corporate husk.
Then Rian Johnson came and smashed that soulless corporate husk to pieces thinking he would create art.
Then JJ Abrams came again picked the destroyed soulless corpo husk and blended it all in a final soup and sold the worst corpo slop you could imagine as grande finale.
It's almost as if they made a deliberate plan to destroy Star Wars

Rama rama rhydonium huffing twink

Yes I know this see

You sound like a miserable faggot. Seek Christ.

You're right, endings don't make money when you can keep a franchise going forever
shalom