These are the terms. The rabble of Gondor and it's deluded allies shall withdraw at once beyond the Anduin...

These are the terms. The rabble of Gondor and it's deluded allies shall withdraw at once beyond the Anduin, first taking oaths never again to assail Sauron the Great in arms, open or secret. All lands East of the Anduin shall be Sauron's forever, solely. West of the Anduin as far as the Misty Mountains and the Gap of Rohan shall be tributary to Mordor, and men there shall bear no weapons, but have leave to govern their own affairs. But they shall help to rebuild Isengard which they have wantonly destroyed, and that shall be Sauron's, and there his lieutenant shall dwell: not Saruman, but one more worthy of trust.

Seems reasonable to me. Why didn’t they simply make peace with Sauron? Why did Aragorn, a war criminal, insist on fighting to the last Gondorian?

term this

For Frodo (and elvish pussy)

Shouldn't have couped your democratically-elected Sauron sympathizer and then launch a terror assault on Mordor-neighboring regions.

He is 100% right about the men of the west being the aggressors, as they retook osgiliath shortly before the events of the book

Why would you agree to terms with someone who has the titles "The Deceiver" and "The Base Master of Treachery"

Taking back your territory from an enemy is aggression

Are you Canadian by chance?

believing Sauron the deceiver

your territory

it was lost millennia before, if the city of Rome invaded France it would be an act of aggression

1. Romans were invaders to start with so that's a terrible example
2. France had long since been recognised as a sovereign territory by Rome

Men are the indigenous inhabitants of the area, I don't know why you think Sauron has the innate right to claim any lands as his own

a) Men aren't indigenous to the area at all
b) you're now getting even more lost into this, completely idiotic and not akin to diplomatic international law-even in universe-reductionist train of thought.
By your own logic Sauron is the rightful owner of everything since he's older and was "there before" even Elves.
So, in essence, read the books, get an International Relations degree, and a life.

gondor is being:
#1 big nazi bandera extreme
#2 a gay homo euro

a) Men aren't indigenous to the area at all

"Before the arrival of the Dúnedain, Arnor was home to Middle Men of Edain stock, and the early colonists soon interbred with the indigenous population"

By your own logic Sauron is the rightful owner of everything since he's older and was "there before" even Elves.

Eru Iluvatar the literal God of LotR intervenes to make Golem fall so Sauron cannot take physical form again, Eru Iluvatar the literal God of the universe and oldest being does not want Sauron in Middle Earth

You need to read the lore mongoloid

It’s a very unsubtle jab at Britain’s appeasement strategy during the war. Obviously Sauron, like Hitler, would wipe his ass with any treaties signed and then continue to conquer more land.

Aragorn should’ve unironically accepted his terms, since like 20 minutes later, the Ring would’ve been destroyed anyways.

lmao you're right

if frodo destroys the ring, they win anyways

if frodo gets caught, he surrendered in time and gets to rule as Saurons vassal

go ahead goym and agree to the treaty, Sauron, a literal evil demigod, is absolutely trustworthy and won't break his promises at the first moment its convenient to him. lay down your arms and trust in good faith diplomacy with the devil.

not Saruman, but one more worthy of trust

Like who? Sauron is a billy-no-mates, who the fuck is he going to invite round?

But then Sauron's armies would have retreated back into mordor and his gaze would have started wandering again immediately, finding Frodo and the ring and most likely realize their intent.

Demilitarise bro and pay tribute… even though we have invaded your land unprovoked and tried to conquer your capital a few days ago.

Sorry, Ivan, but that’s a bad deal

In the books it implies that the Mouth of Sauron will be the one to rule Isengard, as the guy is smiling when he says that and Gandalf picks up on it

unprovoked

It was Gondor that occupied Mordor first, land that rightfully belongs to Sauron

After Mordor had started multiple wars of aggression upon the free men of middle earth.

At that point, Frodo and Sam were already halfway up Mount Doom and on their way towards destroying the Ring. Sauron had like zero guards there, since he didn’t thing anyone would try to destroy the One Ring, so the only major difference imo would be Sauron confused as to what this nigga Aragorn could be planning.

hey are those mine?

oh well, add them to the list.

Why sure Mr. Sauron the Deceiver, Faithless and Accursed, I'm happy to accept your wise and reasonable terms.

Security guarantees? Hostage exchange? Nah, I trust you man.

as much as I love this idea, the plan relied on playing up to Sauron's assumption that he had the ring. so the moment he stops acting overconfident the jig is up.
if anything this means the version of the scene in the movies makes more sense than in the books, where the Mouth of Sauron is allowed to leave.

wars of aggression

conveniently fought in walking distance of mount doom, the heart of Saurons domain

unrestricted ghost warfare

Aragorn was a literal war criminal. Rohan should never have provided any aid to this unelected despot.

The whole Second Age shitshow started with the Numenorans invading and colonising Sauron's domain. The same thing happened in all subsequent times. The Haradrim, the Dunlendings, and all the other allies of "evil" joined up because the so-called "Free People of Middle-earth" kept invading them.

More importantly imo is that Aragon and co. had no way of knowing if Frodo was even still alive, let alone if he was dragging the ring to mount doom as they spoke. If so, then they would’ve planned a different approach.