How is Luke the strongest jedi of all time? It makes no sense.
He just did a bootcamp with Yoda, whereas Darth Vader had a whole upbringing being trained by the world's best jedis, and an expansive military career.
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He was initially trained by Obi wan. Did you missed the part in new hope where he was in the falcon with obi wan and han solo and he was trying to bean the lasers coming from a robot with his lightsaber?
It made sense in the context presented by the films and even the prequels, where textually it appears that Luke is a perfect balance of both sides of the force, embodying heroism but not denying his instincts like the Jedi Order previously would
But then Lucas stated outright that the dark side is inherently and imbalance, meaning the faggy Jedi Order in the prequels was doing the right thing, they just got BTFO'd so hard by Palpatine that it didn't matter and Luke was only ever swimming in the wake of the real conflict.
what part of chosen one do you not get, Vader is Paul, but Luke is Leto 2
Rey is stronger
How is Luke the strongest jedi of all time?
What could this possibly even mean and does it matter at all?
He isn't, he jobbed to the emperor 2 times
Luke was the evolution of the Jedi.
What could this possibly even mean
Highest intelligence and strength
Doing a few drills in a spaceship doesn't compare to having a republic-scaled training program, though.
star wars plagiarising dune like always
How is Luke the strongest jedi of all time? It makes no sense.
He isnt.
Anakin is the strongest. Luke cant be as strong as Anakin by the virtue of being just the part of Anakin. The other part is from Padme, who was just a normal person.
Anakin was designed to be the strongest.
Among other things but I don't see anything wrong with that.
Using the Force to solve political problems via force leads to the Dark Side. This was confirmed in Hand of Thrawn
Padme is force sensitive, though.
He was trained by Obi wan to master swordsmanship
Then he was trained by Yoda to master his inner strength/force
Considering Yoda and Obi wan are the best and strongest jedis in the galaxy, i would say it is in fact a first class training for a newbie jedi
How is Luke the strongest jedi of all time?
Who said that?
That's backed up in the movies too. Using the Force to force outcomes on other sentients is an offensive action and therefor using the Force for attack rather than defense. Straight to Force hell.
Just by being Vaders kid puts him at a very high natural force level, if not as strong as his fathers. I'd say Luke is the strongest of the new wave of Jedi, that began with him after Vader and the emperor were defeated.
Have we ever gotten clarification on the heritability of force powers? Why not just do generations of forced (heh) breeding based on mitichlorian count? What am I missing? “The force wouldn’t like it” is not a valid argument: the force is fine with the mass murder of younglings
A good question, for another time.
Has any other protagonist ever become as sidelined in their own franchise as Luke did? Dude used to be the main hero of Star Wars, now he's just a footnote.
Some of his feats in the EU were insane. If he showed up (by teleportation) onto the battlefield it was basically game over for the enemy.
I always thought Jedi were celibate so they wouldn't spread their force genes
Luke is a shit character. An absolute nit with no charisma. Reeks of 80s.
Always wish Anakin murdered him in cold blood.
the force is fine with
anthropomorphizing the Force AND espousing the balance = equalization of dark and light headcanon?
The Jedi of the Old Republic don't allow it because it's an attack vector for the Dark Side. The Sith do it all the time but that just leads to more infighting as is their nature.
Luke is mostly still a man whereas Vader is like half robot
He picked up a midichlorian concentrator at Toshi station
Any attempt at “gaming” the force always has negative outcomes. Kreia is right, it’s not just a function of living things but a living thing itself that seems to enjoy pitting sentient life against itself in never ending wars.
So from your perspective the force is evil?
Kreia is only correct if the Dark Side is viewed as a necessary component to the Force rather than a corruption of it. Her being wrong or right is the difference between the setting being as it is vs Jedi being repressed on the level of psykers from 40k.
In my opinion she must be incorrect on some level for the setting to work. Doesn't make her philosophy and the deconstruction of Star Wars in Kotor2 any less insightful though.
Shut the fuck up Kreia, it's a fun gameplay mechanic
*kills an entire room of enemies in 2 force storms*
He's not, it's just fanwank that was adopted by poorly written "official" fan fiction on account of him being the main character.
According to Disney canon balance is being a grey Jedi. So I guess the dark side is part of the force now? Honestly they’ve been super unclear about it.
He 1v2ed the most powerful men of all time, though.
Justappeared out of nowhere and btfo everybody.
I don't give much credence to Disney's apocrypha. They've misunderstood too many fundamentals to be reliable as custodians of any "canon".
the most powerful men of all time,
Says who
He didn't even beat them both himself, they killed each other
tbqh this. Luke realized the aesthetic rejection of love and attachment endangered the Jedi so much more. He taught (quite well, mind you) that attachment was good but the Force was the ultimate priority. It's why he struggled with Jacen so much, he knew his duty but also knew his attachment to Jacen made him weak. The attachment was not the issue - his choice was. Had he pursued Jacen like Anakin pusued the Emperor Luke also would've fell to the darkside. Instead, he trained Jaina up who lacked that potential pitfall as she was capable and willing to do what needed to be done despite her own attachments. It is why the order survived and why they realized they had to listen to the Force above government laws.
made 2 friends kill each other
Quite insane use of the force, desu.
Hmm when you put it like that...
fantasy story anon he was the chosen one not Anakin
I'd forgotten that Luke is relentlessly handsome
Go to bed Mark
But if the Force encompasses all living things, and the majority of living things exist in a state where behaviors normally attributed to the Dark Side are as natural as breathing, then how can it be simply a corruption and not part of the Force as a whole? Unless we assume that humans and other sentient beings are on a separate level because they can choose to rise above it and show compassion beyond animal instincts and loyalties, which takes us into a more theistic spiritual territory than is typically acknowledged in Star Wars.
I think you are on the right track. George couldn't help but include a bit of Christian sin/redemption philosophy in his space Zen Buddhism religion.
He's not, that's just something brain dead youtubers made up
He had:
Anakain's genes
Yoda's 1 on 1 training
Force ghost guidance
A force sensitive mother
Personal training from Obi Wan
Rebel training
Nobody's lived experience comes close.
Yeah certainly not the Jedi who got taken in as babies and trained from birth.
Yoda used to teach kindergarten ffs.
He was born with 1.35 trillion midichlorin in his colon
ywn have a jedi master muppet as your kindergarten teacher
Why even live?
they were restricted by the jedi order.
after the jedi got btfo, yoda could give no hold's barred elite operator training.
Anakin could never summon a force ghost.