Alright, you little whores. It's perfectly simple

Alright, you little whores. It's perfectly simple.

The Ring of Power corrupts everyone, and the more powerful you are, the greater its allure. Which is why big, brawny men like Boromir tend to go mad simply by being in its vicinity, while demure and unambitious creatures such as the hobbits are able to resist a little while longer, but will in time succumb to it as well.

The eagles are powerful demigods of the same rank as Gandalf, who incidentally refused to bear the ring for the very fear of being seduced to keep it for himself and carve out his own personal realm of terror. And that's coming from a guy whose patron deity was the literal Vala of mercy and compassion. Imagine what the ring would do to the minds of semi-feral terror birds accustomed to preying on farmers' cattle and carrying them off to their lairs and eating them whole, and who didn't really like men to begin with.

The whole "fly the eagles into Mordor" idea is retarded bullshit on these grounds alone. The eagles would have dropped Frodo on some sharp rock mid-flight and kept the ring for themselves 5 minutes after departure.

So we don't even have to get into the whole "how many MANPADS did Sauron allocate to his frontline anti-air units" dumbfuckery. The "plothole" isn't "solved", it downright never existed in the first place.

Inb4

hurrrr but Tolkien only thought about this later in the appendices

No. It's right in the very first edition of his book. Re-read the council of Elrond chapter and then kys.

This is true and I agree with you wholeheartedly, but it is not clear in the movies themselves that the birds are as powerful as theyre supposed to be. Theyre presented as simple allies of Gandalf who arrive when theyre called. They don't go into depth about them being the first creatures created by the cheif of the valar or whatever (my tolkien is rusty, I've only read the silmarillion once please understand)
Therefore the movies themselves failed to accurately explain this portion of the lore and thus opened themselved up to scrutiny because of it.

words cannot describe how much i despise lotr, especially the people obsessed with it.

You could have just said you're brown

notice how none of this is actually found in the text and it's all just headcanon made up after the fact to cope with tolkein simply not being a very competent writer

Fuck off mleccha.

um the book never said the ring corrupts people around it

learn to read fag

pretending to be retarded

in current year +9

really?

but it is not clear in the movies themselves that the birds are as powerful as theyre supposed to be

Gee, it's almost as if movies were just qualitatively inferior adaptations of more complicated works which necessitate dumbing down the lore so it fits inside three and a half hours of screentime.

tolkein said x

this means x is true, plus 10 other things that I inferred from x because I'm autistic

yep

the ring corrupts people around it

but it wouldnt corrupt these because im a gay retard

words cannot describe how much i despise lotr

okay so stop using them ? lmao
in fact you should just be quiet in general

it wouldnt corrupt these

fail. nobody has ever said such a thing. try again.

It's perfectly simple

just read thousands and thousands of pages to work it out before you watch the films!

Shut the fuck up OP. It's a huge plot hole because nothing you've said is remotely hinted at in the films. All your powerscaling bullshit about the ring affecting you the stronger you are yadda yadda isn't in the movie. These eagles just show up and ferry gandalf around and then take everyone home at the end. That's all your average moviegoer experienced. It is bullshit and a HUGE plothole to an otherwise fantastic trilogy. Hilariously it sounds like a sharp rock must have actually been dropped on your head as a child for you not to be able to grasp this.

Everyone watched the movies. By comparison barely anyone read the books. It's a plothole and you're a huge nerd.

what were you referring to then fag

you are just retarded and couldnt think of the ring corrupting the eagles even though the movie makes it obvious

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don't call me that

and the more powerful you are, the greater its allure. Which is why big, brawny men like Boromir tend to go mad simply by being in its vicinity, while demure and unambitious creatures such as the hobbits are able to resist a little while longer, but will in time succumb to it as well.

mental midge big mad

My... Precioussssss

Why didn't the Allies just fly to Berlin and shoot Hitler?

But they carried the ring in the hobbit

when he first wrote the hobbit it was just a magic ring, it's a standalone kids fairytale nothing grander than that.

Noooo Tolkien had everything in his connected universe planned in the minutest details since he was a baby. There can't possibly be mistakes and retcons!
I can't hear you lalala laaaa...

That's stupid because there's no way the eagles could even wear the ring.

claims nobody who knows anything about his writing, you keep on pretending to be retarded though.

It’s literally spelled out in the Rivendell chapter. The eagle king is not included amongst the council of the wise despite being supernatural because he is kind of a prick. If he wasn’t an asshole he’d be invited to meetings with the wizards, Galadriel and Elrond

They have talons, anon.

Also the ring shrinks and grows to fit its bearer's finger size. First 5 minutes of Fellowship.

doesn't know what the word literally means.

I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you

(unless I'm an eagle, then forget I said anything)

3 different threads about supposed plotholes at the same time

Is this a raid ?

I agree with you, but how does an eagle put on a ring in the first place?

one autistic faggot making shit threads

a raid

kek

grips is firmly in their cloaca

So if you put it on your cock while hard, and then get flaccid, the ring will shrink down to your flaccid girth? Wait...so it's like a permanent cock ring

Yes, your friend and servant full of undying loyalty who wants nothing more in life than fuck Rosie Cotton and tend to his garden will probably act differently than an asshole demigod who doesn't give a fuck what happens to the realms of men that shoot at him whenever he drags away one of their cattle.

So let the eagle carry Sam while Sam carries Frodo, in that way there are more levels of isolation.

Claw?
Maybe you don't even need to 'put it on', just own it and have it with you

please point me in the direction of the scene where gandalf explains that the stronger you are the more corrupted you become... oh that's right, there isn't one.

Lol you guys are almost as bad as the people who try to pretend that the ring manifests your deepest desires that's why the hobbits turn invisible!!! Because they just want to hide away and not be seen!!!!!!!!

Actual idiots.

Nigger this isn't a fucking video game with inventory states.

stop pretending to be retarded for attention, you know (You)s aren't currency right? you don't get to save them up and cash them in at some point in the future.

why didn´t they sail to some ocean and drop the ring in

an eagle that big can't wear a ring dummie

Would ingesting the ring count as wearing it?

It's not about inventory. It's about isolation. Like you don't touch a tray straight out of the oven without mitts, it's too hot. Likewise, the temptation from carrying Frodo would be too much for the eagle, but since Sam can resist it, let the eagle carry Sam while Sam is carrying Frodo.

if I put a bag of holding into a bag of holding

Fuck off, retard

Way to sidestep my point. I'm not the one being retarded here. OP should have unironically gone to Anon Babble to seethe about this. It literally IS NOT in the movie.

It's not about inventory space!

Because who the fuck knows what lies down there

he's not pretending, he's just retarded and didn't understand the gandalf and galadriel scenes that spelled out the effect the ring would have on people of much greater power compared to the average joe

oh and dear

You're a fucking retard the ring is still in proximity to the eagle no matter if it's on a chicken in an egg in a cat in a dog or whatever you dumb fucking dumbass faggot go die

sauron wins the war conventionally with overwhelming force, it doesn't help anything.

At least I know how to reply to people filthy newfag

Ah yes, these "scenes". Give sauce or fuckoff you smug gaslighting weasel

So if proximity is the issue, have the eagle carry Frodo while Frodo carries the ring in a bag tied to the end of a 30-meters-long rope.

I wish I was in proximity to you so I could cave your head in with a rock you stupid fucking faggot.

stop giving the retard (You)s

gets even madder

based

You only give problems. I give solutions.

I'm afraid you have to finger the hole

Here's a solution: kill yourself

Give sauce or fuckoff you smug gaslighting weasel

the fellowship of the ring by peter jackson, when both gandalf and galadriel refuse the ring when it's offered by frodo. calm down before you hurt yourself autismo.

on a chain like Frodo

Alright, you little whores. It's perfectly simple.

The *headcanon*

But then how are we going to take the Ring to Mount Doom? You need people of intelligence in this sort of mission.

Based

You're a fucking retard the ring is still in proximity

You're a fucking retard the ring is *headcanon*

We moved on from the Eagles bro. Your post is a year too late. It's all about the invincible ghost army now

Yeahhh unlike you I actually watched that one, your "scenes" don't exist beyond the generic "the ring corrupts" stuff. Sorry sweaty better lucky next time

This pretty much.

This entire thread is just smug bookfags forgetting what board they are on. Oh and that one newfag who doesn't know how to reply to people so he just screams "based" into the void at himself kek

Yes, although I don't think Tolkien went into too much detail on this issue. Definitely a plothole.

heh, apparently you dont know that in the silmarillion gandalf explains that the eagles were ackshually a whole other form of divine being known as the Väldimiön which where ackshually the first creation of Beneron the redeemer the chief deity of songs and birds so you see totally valid logical conclusions have once again been denied by the genius of tolkien making up any old bullshit on the spot

It would convince the eagle to drop them. It was able to corrupt creatures from a distance without it being near them. Think of it more as a type of pollution that spreads out and infects things, and the hobbits just happen to have some pollution resistance while everything else has none. If all else fails, causality/fate would cause the rope to break, and the ring would be lost again.

Frodo was rewarded for failure, and Gollum was punished for destroying the ring.

Don't tempt me, Frodo! I dare not take it. Not even for safekeeping. Don't you see, Frodo? I would use the ring out of the desire to do good. But through me, it would wield a power more fearsome and terrible to imagine.

anon stopped giving his retardation (You)s as he flails in circles

must be because they don't know how

well, that rules out everyone in this thread at least

It literally comes up in the very first scene.

and nine rings were given to the race of men, who above all else desire power

1 minute later

but the hearts of men are easily corrupted

The line is actually

but through me it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine

Regardless, it doesn't prove your point at all. If this is the defining sentence in the movie that you think clarifies the power level headcanon OP has then you might actually have brain damage.

I'll throw you a bone anon. You click on the 9 digit number sequence after "No.". Now unironically fuck off and lurk moar

The fish are neutral and would be easily corrupted by the ring telling them they could get rid of mankind polluting their homes. It would make its way back to Sauron probably pretty quickly if it latches onto something fast. Also, there'd be no inventory control if you just tossed it somewhere. Anything could happen.

Wait, Samwise carried Frodo who carried the ring and wasn't corrupted that way so the ring doesn't work through the transitive property. The eagles simply needed to carry frodo who would carry the ring.

Well in the books they didn't really do anything except cast a lvl 99 fear spell on the orcs (you know, because they're fucking ghosts), who were then easily routed by Gondor's conventional army.

No, the fish would be corrupted by the ring and become a dark fish lord, just like the eagles.

How exactly does that prove the eagles were too powerful and would have been extra corrupted sorry? Oh, it doesn't because it's made up bullshit that's right.
The movies quite clearly show everyone (also Gandalf and Galadriel are not humans, though fair enough the movie doesn't make that explicitly clear about Gandalf at least) is corrupted by it. Including Frodo. There are, however, no scenes that show the stronger you are the more corrupted you will get. It's simply not in the films.

The eagles are a huge plot hole in the trilogy. The 2010s counterargument that they would have been sniped by the Eye of Sauron is actually a stronger theory than this shit.

Oh well I suppose this is my fault for getting dragged into a fight with zoomers.

hard truth

No, no, according to OP Samwise was actually carrying Frodo up Mount Doom under the influence of the ring with the intention of dropping him on a sharp rock... because that's what the ring actually makes you do lel. Frodo just happened to get off his shoulders at the exact right time I guess? Lucky bastid.

Guess there were no fishies in Isildur's death lake then. Lucky that.

heh, apparently you dont know that in the Oval Office Truman explains that the nuclear bombs were ackshually a whole other form of strategy known as avoiding US military casualties which where ackshually the first concern of Truman the President the chief commander of the US armed forces and Allied joint command so you see totally valid humanitarian deliberations have once again been denied by the genius of US presidents making up any old bullshit on the spot

Members of the fellowship take time to become corrupted, including Boromir who wants it the most. Gandalf gets heat flashes and delusions of grandeur when being around the ring for a few minutes, and Galadriel is even quicker. It doesn't need to assign a DBZ number to characters and over explain the mechanics.
more powerful = faster corruption and more powerful > greed/desire

Why would there be? It was constantly littered with bodies and blood from the orc war parties. Smeagol would go there to loot shit.

do NOT let the fish have the Ring, you fools! Lest it wield a power you can't imagine.

I'll throw you a bone anon. You click on the 9 digit number sequence after "No.". Now unironically fuck off and lurk moar

holy shit he was being serious, what a fucking seething mongoloid.

laugh it up while you still can

didn't we have this thread yesterday? who keeps making these threads?

over explain the mechanics

You mean like you're doing?

It's pretty simple in the movies actually. The ring corrupts. That's it. Yes, the movie goes out of it's way to highlight that in the hands of powerful entities like Gandalf and Galadriel said corruption could be devastating. But no, that doesn't just explain away why the eagles couldn't fly Frodo to Mordor, especially as the movies show them to effectively be Gandalf's bros.

Comparatively, Aragorn is displayed as the LOTR equivalent of the freaking chosen one, but we don't really see any indications whatsoever that he is highly susceptible to the ring's allure. This actually leads more credence to the opposite of what you're saying, that it is more about desire than power.

Look, it's a huge plot hole. But that is ultimately fine. You losers need to accept that. These are some of the best movies ever made, but the eagle thing is often referred to as the quintessential plot hole in film. It's just embarrassing to read these mental gymnastic defence forces. It's like everyone still loves Die Hard even though the ambulance thing is a huge fucking plot hole at the end. There was a shit ton of material to adapt for a general audience, Jackson did an excellent job overall.

I'll throw you a bone anon.

This guy is malding.

Sorry. I thought it was obvious I was being facetious on account of the third movie literally opening with them ... you know ... fishing?

lurk moar

there's no point trying to explain it, he's either too retarded to understand the most basic things in the movie, or he knows he's wrong now but is just doubling down for distance and irritation because his autism means he can't ever admit it.

The ring is more like a totally hot babe at work you can't stop thinking about. You want to possess her, and the closer she is to you, the harder it gets to resist the urge to just jump on her on the spot.
If you're lucky she quits and moves out of town before you've done anything stupid. If you aren't your boss puts her desk right besides yours and expects both of you to work long hours late into the night with no one else around.

You literally can't explain it without leaning on the source material. Because you are fucking wrong. It is a plothole retard. The eagles are not gods in the movies lmfao.

you're trying way too ard to fit in here, seething little newfriend.

lurk moar

It corrupts Gandalf and Galadriel faster than everyone else because they are stronger even though they don't want it. It corrupts Boromir faster than the other lesser creatures because he wants it as a cock ring. It eventually corrupts Frodo but takes foverever because he's physically and spiritually weak and has no desire for it. Power trumps desire trumps willpower trumps not giving a fuck. Really not hard to get from the movies.

kek, he's getting so mad now he can't keep track of which chain of replies he's fighting, lil bro just in here punching smoke.

lurk moar

Those were mutant fish like creatures called Axlots that couldn't actually swim. It explains this in the movie if you play it backwards at 2x speed.

Really not hard to get from the movies.

He's doing his best to prove this wrong.

In the books it's said that they are fish demigods that can't resist the power of the One Ring, thus why Frodo and Sam avoid fishing at any cost, even when they are starving.

Alright, I'll give you another one. I mean, it's not like it wasn't explained in SEVERAL scenes.

They were men once. Great Kings of men. Then Sauron the Deceiver gave them the nine rings of power. Blinded by greed they took them without question.

Not even a couple moments of "should I ... should I not?". Basically snatched them right out of his hands.

Seems pretty clear to me that if you're a lord/king/superbeing, i. e. exceptionally powerful, it is all too easy for you to be corrupted, whereas some puny little hobbit like Bilbo only had mild withdrawal symptoms after possessing it for several decades.

All explained at several scenes in the movies.

lurk moar

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absolutely broke the tourist, you love to see it, good work anons some of you are alright.

Both Gandalf and Galadriel say they want it. Galadriel explicitly. Sorry but your powerlevel theory is just wrong. They refuse it because they know if they are corrupted it'll be far worse than say, when Bilbo had it.

Blinded by greed they took them without question

Yeah thanks for proving my point. Nothing your saying explains the plot hole with the eagles. But sure stay smug you dumb cunt.

lurk moar

The problem with filmfags is that they never read the books, because in them the whole issue is dealt with in perfectly satisfying detail. Once that's established in a thread, the filmfags move the goalposts and go "B-But the MOVIES didn't explain it!", i. e. the movies did a bad job of drilling it into their 24 FPS brains.

Which is a fair point. But then they keep shitting on Tolkien for the alleged "plothole" with the eagles when really they should be shitting on Peter Jackson.

poor little fella.

lurk moar

You're telling that to the ref who officially judges posts. Do better, anon.

t. the ref

Or... they are different mediums for different audiences? You're actually right about Tolkien vs Jackson though.

I saw your struggle against the guy and wanted to help you make him rage kek

lurk moar

kek, you can stay actually

Everyone! Stop fighting!

youtube.com/watch?v=Q1l69n90l64

Jackson didn't do anything wrong either though. The fans should give up, there is no eagle plot hole, period.

At least its not capeshit or star wars

It's also canon that God himself says "fuck it they tried hard enough" and shifts a stone for Gollum to trip on into Mt Doom at the end

They have no desire for the ring itself, but they have the desire to wield a greater power. Since they are powerful enough to do so, the ring corrupts them very quickly when near it/confronted with it, even though they have absolutely no desire to seek out the ring and possess it normally. Really not hard to understand from the movies.

God won where Frodo failed. God destroyed the ring.

Re-read the council of Elrond chapter and then kys.

This, it can't be a god damn plot hole if the author himself explained it in the book onshelf

Yes the ring corrupts... I did say that. It doesn't really explain why giant eagles fly them out of Mordor but not into Mordor. Again, to the average moviegoer they are.... giant eagles. Not uber powerful gods wary of being in the vicinity of the ring.

Nothing about the movies is hard to understand anon. It's just your anime powerlevel quickcorrupt headcanon that has no place in the discussion.

In the Silmarillion, the Axlots once rivaled the Bublats for inner lake supremacy but lost because the Bublats evolved to swim, which caused them to leave the lakes and rivers and flock to the oceans. In a letter to his son, Tolkien said he hated those filthy Bublats since they controlled all the commerce of the Lakelands and the will of Sauron would have easily corrupted them.

Yep, it's easy to understand power > desire when it comes to the speed of ring corruption since the movies show it well enough without telling. Glad we agree.
As for the eagles, they fly out of Mordor because the ring is destroyed along with the wraiths and most of Sauron's army. They don't fly in because those things are not destroyed yet. For someone who says they get it, you're struggling. With baby's first high fantasy, no less.

Yeah sorry, but if you still cannot deduce that "more power = more corruption" from several scenes in the movies, including direct spoken dialogue, then I'm afraid you're profoundly mentally retarded and should stick to your manbaby marvel flicks.

Not gonna spoonfeed you further.

Spoonfeed me? Lmao the more you explain your point the more you end up agreeing with me.

The one ring is probably one of the most blatant "power corrupts" analogies in all of fiction anon. Like I said about Aragorn, who's entire storyline is about, you know, rejecting and accepting his kinghood. ie he outrightly is shown to not want to wield power over others.

None of that has any bearing on the eagles being too powerful to fly to Mordor kek.

None of that has any bearing on the eagles being too powerful to fly to Mordor kek.

They're giant fucking eagles, anon. Their physique alone makes them more powerful than, say Boromir, for example.

Would you entrust the ring to someone like Boromir?

No? Would you then entrust it to the eagles, if you know
- the ring corrupts the powerful
- the eagles are more powerful than Boromir
?

>The Ring of Power corrupts everyone

Except hobbits because they're shaved hamsters

Legolas could have put the ring on an arrow and shot that shit in the volcano. I win nerd.

you can't shoot arrows across state lines

The wind would catch it as the rings corrupts it while flying. It would then turn the arrow towards the eye and return to Sauron. Checkmate.

hey eagle bro, want to take the ring to mordor?

no

AHHHHH PLOTHOLES I'M LOSING MY MIND

why are retards like this?

what happens if someone swallowed the ring :|

Tolkien is a great writer...

...but virgins on Anon Babble came up with a smarter solution to his tale than he could

Yeah... uh... maybe I should delete this.

It would get stuck in your rectum and cause permanent constipation and arousal.

Thats how divine intervention works. You have to go beyond your physical limits for a spiritual test.

itt: a bunch of newfags are btfo by a classic lurk moar

jej and they say 4channels ded

hey eagle bro want to take the ring to morder?

no

ok fine but you know you'll get fucked too if someone doesnt take it to mordor right?

lmao Idgaf get fucked humie

fine I'll do it myself you feathery faggot

9 hours later

ok now that you've done the hard part and saved the world we also inhabit we'll deign to show up for a quick victory lap hehe

eagles are assholes

They're fucking birds anon. This isn't a Hitchcock movie. If these guys were as powerful and as scary as you say then why tf was everyone focussed on fighting orcs the whole time?

state lines

Ohhhh noooooo

you would gradually turn into troon for Sauron's corrupted harem

yes, they steal my livestock, the cunts.

Yes, birds. Giant, talking birds, with talons as large as an elephant's leg.

if white sharks are as powerful and as scary as you say, then why tf are humans focussed on fighting each other all the time

Just cut your losses and go back to one of the 20 capeshit threads, anon.

The quintessential American

It was revenge for Déagol, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Frodo was a Harfoot hobbit, and Gollum wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the hobbits. It was real underhill shit. They even threw Gollum in the lava so his mother couldn't give him an open coffin at the funeral.

with talons as large as an elephant's leg.

More lies.

What is your endgame here anon? You've already conceded the initial point to me. Are you really going to make me point out that the characters actually fight elephants and dragons etc in the movies? The powerlevel thing was one thing, but trying to pretend that the size of the beast makes you chimp out etc is an extra layer of retarded. The eagles is a plothole in the film. You know it. I know it. People have talked about it for literally decades. Youtube careers have been built off the back of the fact that it's a fucking plothole. You're never going to be able to explain it away because it is definitively so. The best you can do is beg people to attack Jackson and not Tolkien for it, but no one was even doing that. You spent hours of your evening trying to shift goal posts so you look smart and correct whilst every on topic thing you've actually said has been in agreement with me. You simply don't want to put your hands up and say you were wrong and that's okay, I accepted your concession already otherwise I wouldn't still be replying to you.

if white sharks are as powerful and as scary as you say, then why tf are humans focussed on fighting each other all the time

You do know the great white sharks are literally a vulnerable species right? As in, we actually do kill them.

Now tell them to lurk moar again to prove how mad you aren't.

You do know the great white sharks are literally a vulnerable species right? As in, we actually do kill them.

So do humans kill eagles. Which, you know, might be the reason the eagles aren't exactly fond of the idea of giving them a ride across Middle Earth just because they asked nice. Oh but wait, that doesn't count because it's in the books and you can't read. Never mind.

Fact is, you're seething over having been outed as a giant retard incapable of understanding a movie's contents unless it's spelled out to you word by word.

Hey, did you realize Eowyn has a crush on Aragorn despite her never having explicitly said, "I have a crush on you"?

Anyway, you lost. Get over it.

TLDR.
Nazgul are metaphor of tranny.

Stop self-inserting anon

Despite fanboys desperately trying to run damage control,
Despite Tolkien himself seething at reporters who honestly called him out on the issue, and sneaking retcons in haphazard explanatory notes in later editions,
The persistence of the question by honest readers throughout the generations is proof that the eagles are indeed a plot hole.
If you give LotR to an alien civilization who's never heard of Tolkien, they will raise the issue.
If there's an apocalypse that reverts humanity to the stone age and later millennia humanity digs up the LotR and decipher it, they will raise the issue.
Each generation will raise the issue for all eternity because there's no getting around it.
It _is_ a plot hole, and no amount of seething and dilating and fanboying will change it.

It is a plot hole only if you're a illiterate retard.

imagine this not being obvious

HAHAHA REALLY FUNNY
ITS NOT LIKE INDIA IS THE FUNDATION OF CIVILISATION AND RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ADVANCEMENTS OF HUMANITY WHILE YOU WERE HAVING SEX WITH ANIMALS AND ATE HUMAN FLESH

t. fanboy

put the ring on my cock

it becomes a lord of darkness itself

can shoot laser n shit

corrupt and mind control women I fuck

Excellent post. "Re-read the council of Elrond chapter and then kys." Probably my favorite part, but well said.

t. illiterate retard

I want to fuck that eagle.

women I fuck

Very bold of you, incel