I cannot defend the fact that the opening monolog gives away Arnold being a good guy in this...

I cannot defend the fact that the opening monolog gives away Arnold being a good guy in this. Yes it was in the trailer too, but that's also retarded and annoying. It's an awesome twist.

GET DOWN.

It doesn't though. It just says the resistance sent back 'a protector'.

I prefer the original idea of having 2 Terminators sent after John. With Sarah Connor in the Kyle Reese role of helping John understand exactly what's going on.

It's very obvious that Arnold is the good one since the cop is clearly evil

It’s obvious now because the franchise is well-established and 40 years old.
In 1991 all audiences had was the first film to reference where Arnold is the villain. The T-1000 instantly dons a police disguise, giving him a more morally upstanding appearance than Arnold who goes for the biker getup. Also Arnold beats the T-1000 to John’s foster home, giving the impression he’s more clever and more eager to find John.
It’s not a huge reveal but it was a surprise when it released.

Yeah, as far as the film itself goes, they went to a surprising amount of trouble to mislead first time watchers who weren't aware of the fact that Schwarzenegger plays the good guy in the sequel.

The marketing at the time of course was a very different story.

This movie came out the year I was born. How massive was it? I obviously know it did well since they’re still pumping out sequels but did anyone here see it when it released?

You're old enough to know the movie was a huge and had a big cultural impact. I'm not as old as you, and I know this.

so? there were magazines and shit back in the day, everyone new arnold was good in this one, pretty much why everyone went to see it

It was big. I was old enough when it came out to bootleg a friend’s Guns and Roses album on tape because of it, and Axel Rose is a huge fag

Similarly, can you imagine Darth Maul's dual-lightsaber reveal if they hadn't posted it in every commercial, magazine, ad, and toy?

How would the humanity of the future be able to build a more advanced robot than skynet?

Arnie didn't kill a single biker in the bar. Thats when you should have known he was a good guy. And in case you're an idiot they even play Bad to the Bone so you can know to root for Arnie.

That was part of the reveal that you had to watch the movie for, that Arnie had been reprogrammed

Arnie didn't kill a single biker in the bar. Thats when you should have known he was a good guy

Autism, and low IQ.

yet he keeps asking john why it's not ok to kill

Be honest chat, is this still worth watching now that I'm spoiled on it?

It’s a good action flick. If all you’ve seen are the memes you’re not getting the full experience

You go from Arnie pulling a guys heart out of his chest in his first scene in T1 to the comical babyshit of T2's biker bar scene. Unless you were younger than 10 years old, you have no excuse.
Personally I always find it funny that T2 Terminator is apparently racist because the first person he tries to kill is an unarmed black man and not any of the white people who tried to kill him in the bar.

Nope it's trash
T1 is 1000x better

based

lol we live in a clown world

Yeah, I was a kid when T2 came out. I wasn't familiar with Terminator 1. I used to read newspaper movie reviews even then before seeing movies, and I knew Arnold was a good guy in this. The ''twist'' happens too early in the movie to be kept under wraps for long.
The movie was pretty big, it was Arnold at its peak. It was the most expensive movie at the time, a lot of hoopla was made about the CGI which was revolutionary then, you could see stuff you'd never seen before just in the TV ads.
I think the movie came out in July, but I only saw it in September. Me and and a school friend went on a double-header at the movies, first time I ever went to the movies in the city without adult supervision actually, Child's Play 2 or 3 first (the one ending in an amusement park) and T2 second at a different theater after crossing a fucking 6-lane highway on foot. The movie we were actually excited for then was actually Child's Play 2 or 3, it was a brand new release that weekend and the hype about T2 had died down quite a bit by then. Child's Play was ok but I think we both thought it was kinda trash and silly. Then we went to see T2 just to get over with it and we were both absolutely BTFO by the movie and raved about it to our friends back at school

The previews for the movie gave it away, you dumbass.

It was obvious to all of us that watched it when it first released when he didn't bother killing anyone in the bar. I remember being in the theater, leaning over and telling my dad "He's definitely been reprogrammed or something right?"

I have this autistic alternate opening that I've expressed more than once on the board. It doesn't really add anything but it's an alternate idea that I've imagined. My big hang-up is how the original cop and Robert Patrick don't look the same. They should have been portrayed by the same actor, Patrick, to go with the touch-thing.

In the real opening, a bit part actor (WHO DOES NOT LOOK THE SAME AS THE T-1000) plays a standard beat cop. He crunches glass under his shoe (in Skid Row), explores a bit, then the T-1000 actor sneaks up on him. Next shot, the T-1000 is in cop uniform and begins busily searching John Connor on the SCMODS box. The movie hasn't actually given up the spoiler game just yet. I'd have to re-watch OP, I don't think the monologue itself does it, unless you can discern between the two robot characters.

Autistic alternate idea. Shot establishes the human-form T-1000, just warped in, now in place. Cop (ALSO PLAYED BY PATRICK) enters Skid Row scene. broken glass crunches under his shoe. Cop rounds truck trailer, and finds, improbably, a large UNBROKEN sheet of mirror glass, propped up against the trailer. It hypnotizes him, for a second or two. How is this thing here? He reaches out, regards his reflection, touches it for a second... Next shot he's charging back to his squad car and searches John Connor.

OTOH I can understand separating the two characters into two visibly distinct actors, for a certain cohesion. But maybe the disorientation itself of the above suggestion might have been interesting in itself, inviting the audience to infer what's going on through the confusion. This would undermine the central spoiler somewhat, but as the OP said, the marketing campaign did that well enough all by itself, sadly.

Yoda was also a spoiler. A truly virginal viewer of Empire doesn't know that Yoda is the little guy, but it's easy enough for an adult to guess. No one will ever "organically" have the Yoda spoiler ever again.

He acknowledged this in his one-line post. I am not him. You are the worse idiot because you couldn't be bothered to read a very short piece of text where he literally addressed the very thing that you just complained of, as if he'd missed it, which he didn't. Discontinue posting.

It's truly amazing how well the CGI holds up today, Kek hollywood is such a shitshow

I don't think they could have put together a good trailer for the movie without revealing Arnold is a good guy, unless they only put disjointed shots assembled in a fraudulent manner, or only drawing from scenes from the first 20 minutes of the film.

It's the journey not the destination

It's top-tier CGI, but I get a soulless, cold clinical feel from it when I rewatch, and I can now spot some subtle seams I couldn't then.
It was definitely amazing and something never before-seen then.

You go from Arnie pulling a guys heart out of his chest in his first scene in T1 to the comical babyshit of T2's biker bar scene. Unless you were younger than 10 years old, you have no excuse.

You could argue this is easy to see after the movie is over, but no one would think this during the movie. You have autism.

At this point, Arnold being a good guy in T2 has been spoiled for like as long as Darth Vader being Luke's father. it's pretty impossible to avoid that spoiler.

AFFIRMATIVE.

No no no no. You gotta listen to the way people talk. You don't say "ah firm a tive" or some shit like that. You say "based." And if someone comes up to you with an attitude, you say "cringe." And if you want to shine them on it's "You'll never be a woman, tranny."

YOU WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN, TRANNY.

Yeah or "cope, faggot." And if someone gets upset you say "kill yourself." Or you can do combinations.

KILL YOURSELF, FAGGOT.

That's great, see you're getting it!

BASED.

The central reason why is because the CGI is doing what it does best: portraying smooth, shiny surfaces in a creepy way. The tech existed at that point and he used it. It takes two more orders of magnitude to make it look somewhat "human", and the film's story didn't require that.

Even of the timing and story detailing of Cameron's tech choices make total sense. He waited patiently until the tech could catch up to a decent portray for Avatar (far harder), and that worked too.

Cringe

But maybe the disorientation itself of the above suggestion might have been interesting in itself, inviting the audience to infer what's going on through the confusion.

Movies of this scale need to be dumbed down to their essential core. A 100 million dollar can't lose a portion of its audience to confusion within its opening minute. You can decry it but it's pure mathematics.

YOU WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN, TRANNY

Indeed, plus its easy to presume that over time Skynet upgraded the Terminators infiltrator abilities. He cant be stealth if he is leaving a dozen bodies everywhere he goes.

fair enough, and that's what Cameron's good at (mass appeal). That's why I minimized my own autist alt idea.

A 100 million dollar *movie

Keep that big autistic brain of yours cooking for stuff that truly matters.

Can a terminator have sex?

Arnie didn't kill a single biker in the bar. Thats when you should have known he was a good guy. And in case you're an idiot they even play Bad to the Bone so you can know to root for Arnie.

That's terminator 3, dumas

Cope and seethe tranny

the dumbass is not who you think it is

Anon Babble was a mistake

I knew what "come with me if you want to live" was when I was a kid and then watched T1 for the first time and was confused the Terminator was the main bad guy. Shit's been spoiled to hell. T1 is the best one btw

You could argue this is easy to see after the movie is over, but no one would think this during the movie. You have autism.

Lashing out because you're too stupid to see the obvious is pathetic.

The ''twist'' is really accessory to T2 and would have hardly added anything worthwhile if they had pushed it further. The movie is a showcase for digital special effects and an adventure movie for kids at heart. They milked Arnold being a potential menacing presence s much as they could in the opening of the movie already.