Did Anakin became too evil too quickly in the prequels?

What about the heckin younglings though?

No if my mom was abducted by some tribals where she was tortured and eventually died in my arms, I would absolutely slaughter the entire village without a second thought. What do you expect me to do? Try to decode their garbled howling and file a police report? No I have super powers and a sword that cuts through everything. These creatures are pests. They have been for thousands of years and they will never stop being pests. Slurs and lightsabers.

Mommy's boy!!! Hahahaha

I love my mommy very much.

But also it’s Tatooine. Lars didn’t do shit because there was nothing he could do. The Hutts aren’t about to get a militia together to help save some human from Tuskens. It’s a lawless place. The only person on the planet capable of exacting justice was Anakin. And there’s no possible way to be diplomatic about it with those things.

The movies just don't have enough runtime to show his descent. If you read all the books and watch the show it becomes much clearer that he was already half way there at the start of RotS and just needed a little push to kneel to Sheev.
Really, if the movies had all that incorporated each would be at least 5 hours long.

star wars has always been so dumb to me with this "dark side" crap.

i am a genuinely good person! I want to help people!

ooOOhh but what if you wear... le black!

Aaaaahhhh help me magical ghost! I am being tempted!

In Lotr the movie very specifically makes it clear that the ring pretty much casts a spell on you. With Star Wars it's just

Grrr you made me mad, now i am going to murder children! But deep down... i am actually good

Star Wars is silly like that

As a kid I didn't understand that the jedi were supposed to be in the wrong and pushed him to follow the path he did because Christensen's acting was so bad. Completely undermined his arc by just making him an angsty teenager who spoke in forced wooden dialogue as opposed to an actually scary/dangerous figure.

Anakin isn't supposed to be scary/dangerous. It's more an issue with Lucas in showing how the Jedi were fucking up more. They were fucking up it's just hard to detect with the tone and pacing of the movies and the constant insistence that one side is mega good and the other is mega bad when there's clearly more nuance going on.

As a kid I didn't understand that the jedi were supposed to be in the wrong

George believes the Jedi were right about everything and Anakin was in the wrong for feeling too strongly.

Sure but we're definitely supposed to empathize with Anakin whereas I was constantly just thinking damn what a whiney bitch.

Idk man the plot of these movies is the least interesting thing about them.

Christensen's acting was so bad

Hes a servicable actor. But lucas wants them to be as flat as possible.
Ford famously tells the story about how he would tell george to fuck off with some of the dialogue because it was clunky and unnatural.
By the time of the prequels he isnt as willing to collaborate with the actors and makes them pretty much read the script as written.
There are plenty of other established actors in the prequels who get the same treatment. Sam Jacksons boring ass mace windu for example.

He was raised by a single mother so it was inevitable.

those screaming sand nigger things aren't people they're savages and they deserved it.

George very clearly shows the Jedi to be wrong about a great many things. Yoda is an old has-been who still wants to train infants and doesn't believe redemption is physically possible. Ben is a liar and a political idealist. Luke is supposed to be the improvement, both capable of redeeming his loved ones and detached enough from politics to drop his sword as his friends and their favored political faction are fighting and dying. If the Jedi were less involved in senate politics and more hesitant to start all-out-war by saving a couple of their friends on geonosis, they might've been salvageable.

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Why did Anakin compare the jedis to animals, and say he slaughtered them like animals? Like, how are they acting like animals, are they supposed to be like hippies who fuck everything?

You're thinking of the Sand People. Which are basically animals and no amount of Disney revisionism can change that.

I mean what would you do if you had superpowers and sand people treated your mom like that?

it's a shit character with a nonsensical arc. Lucas just rememebered at last minute that he was supposed to be evil and a robot at the beginning of the following movie.

Prequels are a shit concept and SW are dogshit. Star Wars is only the OT

Not a huge Star Wars fan so don't know much of the lore but in the movies the Dark Force seems to influence the user too

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The problem is starting with Anakin as a child, which reduces the maximum length of his actual character arc to 2 movies.

Why yes, I am Annakin Skywalker as portrayed by Sebastian Shaw

Why yes, I was the Empire's lead enforcer, a powerful and noble jedi knight in service to the Emperor and faithful companion to my fellow knight, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Why yes, I couldn't protect the ones I loved and sought greater and greater power to bring my own sense of justice and order to what I viewed as a chaotic and tempestuous galaxy, becoming seduced by the temptation to use dark forces to achieve my ends in a natural and organic character arc, losing my soul in the process and ultimately becoming a dog to the Empire from my own hubris.

Why no, my story was not filmed, instead the only thing produced was a clumsily imagined slipshod simulacrum of a subverted messiah story envisioned by a clinically depressed recently divorced manchild surrounded by lackwit yesmen and starring an angsty Twilight castoff whose voice deepens 13 octaves because an old man stuck his withered moist tongue in his ear and fooled him into being the bad guy with a trick a five year old could have seen coming.

But you already knew that.

Ford famously tells the story about how he would tell george to fuck off with some of the dialogue because it was clunky and unnatural.

Which is the root of the issue for why the prequels were such irredeemable garbage. Back in the day George had peers that would say to his face when he was being a fucking idiot, but fast forward twenty years later when his toy franchise grows into a gorillion dollar mega industry and nobody around him has the balls to tell him no.

Not really. I stand to reason that Anakin's story doesn't work not because of Anakin himself so much (although his chemistry and scenes with Padmé are atrocious) but the context. The Senate, Palpatine, etc... is all absolutely fucking dumb as hell and executed horribly, which makes all characters involved and their existence seem lesser, including Obi-Wan and Yoda.
I.E. it's an issue with the overarching story being told, not the individual subplot. You'd think you were supposed to feel something when Anakin is executing the Jedi and the Trade Federation, but all you do is sit there and think "What the fuck have these niggas been doing for 1,000 generations" and "I forgot these niggas even existed" respectively.

If anyone truly, truly, truly wants to grasp the full extent of how shit George's writing is, reminder that he co-wrote a sequel novel to Willow. It's one of the most awful things ever committed to paper. Willow changes his name to Thorn Drumheller and breaks a ten year old child's back with his brute midget strength. Every other character from the movie dies in an introductory dream sequence, except the magic baby Elora Danan who is now a fat retarded teen who shits in a hole without wiping and is constantly having narrative remarks made at her by the authors about how ugly and stupid she is. And the brownies, who remain as utterly insufferable as ever except one of them dresses "like a dandy" even though the world is now the magical post-apocalypse (oh yeah that happened). At one point a character's wife or husband (I forget which, it's that bad, puts a Murakami scene to shame) is killed and has their skin magically expanded until their internal organs are revealed, which are then sucked out of the body, while the skin retards to being an empty animated fleshbag that then wields the organs like a whip against their spouse (STILL not over that divorce huh george?). Willow has godlike powers and can smite entire mountains with a wave of his hand and a magical bag of holding that basically just holds a sandwich but also he gets really tired and annoyed when he has to use his powers to heal anyone so he doesn't.

Only the 3rd movie has good pacing

I don't think him killing the sand people was an evil act. They're dangerous pests. He clearly regretted it afterwards, though, which proved he was a gentle soul who had acted out in a moment of passion. He resigned himself at last to evil because of the offer made by Sheev, and completed his fall by killing the younglings. So I'd say he wasn't evil until the very end of the prequel trilogy

I was talking about the pace of Anakins fall to the dark side over the course of the pt not the pacing of the movies themselves.

The whole tribe was responsible. None of them freed her despite her being their prisoners for months

all of that is fucking stupid
star wars was literally swords and wizards and epic high fantasy in space with a dash of ww2 bombing runs
the prequels tried to force some kind of high handed roman senatorial politics and bush admin analogues. no "star wars" movie should have ever opened with trade blockades or dellow felegates. people wanna see hero boys with swords and evil fucking wizards and princesses that show more than 6 centimeters of skin. you have your evil empire and it's always been around and you fire anyone that writes words like "vote of no confidence" into a script. your bad guy is a bad guy, or else a really cool good guy who becomes bad for reasons other than being retarded. if your lead anti-hero says things like "he's too critical, he never listens" and cries while sitting on a girl's bed you are sanctioned from making movies for 10 years. nobody needs to go back to tatooine and nobody needs to see the lead as a child let alone have an entire third of a trilogy dedicated to an 8 year old who can't hold his sippy cup without spilling.

It's my understanding that if you use the force to satisfy some emotion, such as anger, you're accessing the dark side, which has a corrupting effect.

Yeah it’s like the ring of power from LotR.

a scene like that should have happened in the first movie of the trilogy, and he should have turned to the dark side in the second movie. by the start of the third movie he should have already become vader (not necessarily with all the robot cybernetics and mask and stuff, but at least with the title, the imperial allegiance, and abandonment of the jedi way).

I really hate how they turned Anakin into some reluctant pawn who just got caught up in shit. There was no true turn to the Dark Side, there was no real lust for power and control, his entire betrayal of the Jedi was just "Uh oh, I trusted the wrong guy and now I'm scared to say no to him..." Vader offering to rule the galaxy with Luke doesn't make sense when Anakin is portrayed as just being trapped reluctantly serving the Emperor. He needed a real turn to the dark side, he needed to become an unambiguous villain. His entire redemption is much stronger if he goes full villain and then still finds a way back.

pic from Anon Babbleprequelmemes

It's not working out, you need to leave.

It isn't even that evil and he seems to be somewhat conflicted when he confesses.
Like why is it bad to destroy the tribe of creatures that were apparently okay with shackling and torturing your mother to death?
He killed the camp, he didn't destroy their race.

Make up yourn own mind idiot.

With his mother's death his worst fears came true. Remember he was having psychic nightmares about it for years. He realized all the time he spent training as a jedi had cost him the most important thing of all. Even worse, the jedi order was descriminating against him even as he served as their dog in the war. They were out of touch in their ivory tower. So when Anakin was offered the power to save the only woman left in his life, and remember that he had mommy issues, he was willing to sacrifice everything for even the chance of saving her.

He's a pissed-off bitter shithead from the jump in Attack of the Clones so I didn't question that he would eventually turn too much even as a kid. The only things that bothered me about it were:
1) In Phantom Menace the Jedi Council seemed already certain he was harboring a lot of fear and hatred in his heart and would turn to the dark side despite the fact that kid anakin was nothing but polite and pleasant the entire movie
2) He goes from demanding Palpatine's arrest to swearing off the Jedi, pledging loyalty to Palpatine, and agreeing to overthrow the Republic in the space of a couple of minutes with no hesitation

Honestly, it would have been good to have extended the scene.

Anakin sneaks in the camp, avoiding all contact with the Tuskens.

He finds his mom, barely alive, attempts to get her out.

He gets found, has to fight his way out. Makes sure to only kill guards / attackers – the Jedi way (somewhat)

he frightens the Tuskens enough to get away

his mom begs him to stop, dies nearby in his arms

anger swells, the music swells as well. He goes back, igniting his lightsaber before reentering the camp

star wipe

This would have shown us that he was still a Jedi until being pushed too far.

Idk. It's not all that different from what we got in the Attack of the Clones

I wasn’t going for a big change, you’d have to rewrite the entire film for that. Merely wanted to add some character to a scene that gets the character’s conflict all wrong.

he was raised as a slave by a sandkike with an explosive implant in his neck, and then his mom got raped and murdered to death by sandniggers. nah he was pretty justified

It really gets me how some people never realize how clunky the dialogue in the Prequels is. I get that Star Wars is kind of a fantasy setting, but there's good fantasy dialogue and bad fantasy dialogue. "That is one of the mearas, unless my eyes are cheated by some spell!" is good. "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" is just awful.

boring-ass Mace Windu

Every character in the Prequels except for Anakin is basically the same character. Padme is a stoic noble space-politician. Obi-Wan is a stoic noble Jedi except he's kinda fussy. Yoda is a stoic noble Jedi who talks backwards. Qui-Gon is a stoic noble Jedi who is a rebel. Mace Windu is a stoic noble Jedi who is stodgy and conservative.

Star Wars is only the OT

My nigga. OTchads rise up.

radio buttons don't work that way

My biggest problem is that Anakin apparently never forgot about Padme, and then he goes full autistic in 2 when they meet again. He should completely forgotten her, until they meet again and he's blindsided by all the feelings he'd forgotten about.

He was always an unlikeable piece of shit (cartoons don't count)..
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"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" is just awful.

anakins a child, he has a childish way of speaking and point of view. he never got to grow up because he was a slave and then went under rigid jedi cult shit so he was locked in his ways

The problem really is his depiction in the phantom menace. 8 year old Jake Lloyd was just far too much of an innocent, pure boy and the transition to the Anakin of AoTC was jarring. They should have chosen a 12 or 13 year old actor, and made him more of an arrogant and cocky kid, and shown his angry side - say for example a scene where he force chokes Watto for hitting his mom or something like that.

to be fair, it's mostly shit like the jedi council not helping him to free his mother and being exposed to a bunch of other fuckery the jedi do, this is mostly spoken of, instead of being shown, and of course palpatine taking advantage of all that and creating some other fuckery on his own.

Yes, only retards say otherwise so they dont have to confront the films' flaws. he went from "please help me save my wife sheev" to butchering little kids within 10 minutes. lucas can storyboard individual scenes well enough but he cannot for the life of him tie them together cohesively.

The Senate, Palpatine, etc... is all absolutely fucking dumb as hell and executed horribly, which makes all characters involved and their existence seem lesser, including Obi-Wan and Yoda.

For a dude who's supposed to be like a surrogate father to Anakin, we never see much of Palpatine and Anakin's relationship until Episode III. I never really bought that he'd trust the guy enough to betray the Jedi just because Palpatine promised him a cure.

"I... I can overthrow him!"

Where did this shit come from? Up until this point, everything Anakin did was at least understandable. He tried to do the right thing despite the Jedi fucking him over all the time. He was willing to do what Sheev told him to, since he had the backing of the Senate for one, but also because he needed him to help find the Dark Side secrets he spoke of. Anakin also appeared genuinely interested in maintaining a peaceful Empire, even if he had to do some dirty work, like taking out the Jedi garbage. Then out of nowhere, Anakin talks about overthrowing Sheev? Why? Where did he ever desire in the entire movie to hold that sort of political power?

George went off the deep end towards the end of the movie

It seemed to me like Lucas had two discreet ideas for anakin that he could not tie together: Anakin, the Hero and Darth Vader. Lucas wanted to give Anakin a noble reason for turning to the dark side, so he made saving padme his primary justification. But, he also had to tie prequel Anakin in with OT Vader, so he just threw in a bunch of basic authoritarian pablum for Anakin to recite. The end result we get is that it seems like two different personalities entirely instead of a single flawed individual.

I felt like he could've resolved that by having Anakin's whole reason for falling be to bring order to the galaxy. Vader's always going on about order, so just have Anakin become traumatized by the horrors of the Clone Wars to the point that he becomes willing to go to the dark side if it'll end the war faster.