Ha ha

It was like this

I don't get what he's trying to say in the comic?
is it something to do with him deflecting laser blasters?

I don't get it

Not a meme, I don't get it. What's he even trying to say?

idiots.

he's pointing how how Vader has lost about 15 lightsaber proficiency levels between Rogue One and NH

in Rogue One Vader is a motherfucking boss who slaughters mother fuckers and in the other Vader moves and fights like the old man he's fighting. anyway, here's better version of the death star duel youtube.com/watch?v=to2SMng4u1k

how does this shitty comic relay any of this? he's waving his lightsaber in one panel but holding it straight in the next. Big fucking deal

You faggots are so retarded.
In Rogue One, Vader was an unstoppable force with his lightsaber.
In ANH (a few hours later timeline wise), Vader is clearly a robot-man that is hindered in his skills by age and injuries.
What this comic also doesn't mention is that the very end of RO is about 2 minutes before the beginning of ANH. But at the end of RO Vader was a madman trying to get the plans, but in ANH is he very calm and slow moving and not whipping out his lightsaber every 3 seconds. Shit writing that was eaten up because "ZOMG LE EPIC VADER LIGHTSABER IN ROGUE ONE!"

Get some media literacy

yea but obi wan is a skilled opponent and a hallway full of faggots in bike helmets isn't
so suck it

he's pointing how how Vader has lost about 15 lightsaber proficiency levels between Rogue One and NH

in Rogue One Vader is a motherfucking boss who slaughters mother fuckers and in the other Vader moves and fights like the old man he's fighting.

Obi Wan is a master force user. They're fighting on a telepathic level.

a sith lord vs. some plebs with blasters

a sith lord vs. a still formidable and powerful jedi master

B-BUT THEY NOT SAME!

This looks fucking ridiculous. At this point they are both old men that are out of practice. Having that kinetic music, editing, and fast paced fight choreography looks completely retarded.

Obi Wan is a master force user. They're fighting on a telepathic level.

Nice cope

Found the comic's artist. Get better at conveying ideas. Vader swinging his saber in a narrow hallway and standing holding his saber in another hallway isn't a crystal clear juxtaposition of skill you think it is.

At this point they are both old men that are out of practice

Didn't stop Dooku, Yoda and Sidious from doing flippy shit and dominating their opponents.

Didn't stop Dooku,

He didn't do flippy shit.

Yoda and Sidious from doing flippy shit and dominating their opponents.

This was after ANH and yes this was dumb too.

but in ANH is he very calm and slow moving

He literally chokes a man after bodily lifting him off the ground, angrily interrogates him, then throws him to the floor in anger and shouts at his men.

Did you even watch ANH?

youtube.com/watch?v=HE3K3m02spM

Rogue One Vader is pure Reddit.

He literally chokes a man after bodily lifting him off the ground, angrily interrogates him, then throws him to the floor in anger and shouts at his men.

I mean physically calm. Poor wording on my part. He was in a complete rush in a RO, but he was not that in ANH. In ANH he let his slower Stormtroopers fight their way onto the Tantive IV, but in RO Vader pushed his way through because he was much faster than them. He had no sense of urgency in ANH like he did in RO.
You fucking retard.

here's better version of the death star duel

This looks like ass

Fighting against a bunch of blind fucks that cant hit anything vs fighting his former master that cut him down

What a retarded comic

This is why the ONLY Star Wars content is A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi.
Maybe Knights of the Old Republic 1, too. Revan was pretty cool.

I think the point in Rogue One, is that you're viewing Vader through the lens of a bunch of Rebal plebs, so he appears way more frightening than he really is.

it's not clear to you because you are dumb and like many dumb people you are too proud to admit you're dumb which just causes you to do and say ever dumber things

I think the point in Rogue One, is that you're viewing Vader through the lens of a bunch of Rebal plebs, so he appears way more frightening than he really is.

That's not it at all. In RO Vader is faster and more aggressive. Totally different from ANH Vader.

Who would win in a fight between Vader and Revan? I keep hearing arguments for both of them being the strongest, but I'm not the biggest Star Wars nerd.

Haha laugh while you can. They'll remake the old trilogy to better fit with the new stuff like Rogue One and Andor and i bet you won't laugh anymore.

Force Perception

so do you but that didn't keep your mother from dropping you in wood chipper so never openly criticize anything you think is "ass"

Wrong faggot. More like bad writing.

Yeah the movie sucked and I'll probably never rewatch. It still isn't a hard scene to handwave. Batman scares people in the dark with his goofy neckless rubber suit all the time.

I can't believe people still watch star wars after seeing what rotten sewage the prequels were.

It's not about the fear of Vader, it's how he actually behaves. In RO he is faster and more aggressive, but in ANH (very shortly afterward) he isn't.

sincerely don't think because it clearly isn't working out for you. just be the hopeless little automaton you were born to be.
Vader is faster in Rogue One because of better visual effects and fight choreography. It's that simple. Lucas isn't perfect and neither is Star Wars. making up excuses for every little imperfection does nothing but bring into sharp relief your deficiency of brain cells.

And in ANH the duel is viewed from a wideshot, which is how comedy scenes are shot.

It's not about the fear of Vader, it's how he actually behaves. In RO he is faster and more aggressive, but in ANH (very shortly afterward) he isn't.

He's being shot at in rogue one. you'd move your ass faster too

Not a fan of Rogue One.

Iol y so srs?

I addressed shot composition in the post following yours get owned

He's being shot at in rogue one. you'd move your ass faster too

He can force block shots with his lightsaber or his hand. What are you talking about. He fought the Clone Wars and those droids and their blasters never touched him. And he went fast to get the plans, but then he's not going fast in ANH.

I'd unironically be ok with a remaster of the OT where they just add a few extra scenes like this

Vader is faster in Rogue One because of better visual effects and fight choreography.

Wrong, faggot. It was poor writing. Vader was a broken down robot man in the OT. Now he's a fucking anime character in RO.

I'd unironically be ok with a remaster of the OT where they just add a few extra scenes like this

Go watch some capeslop you fucking retard.

Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit.

Everyone in the thread is calling your comic shit. It's fucking retarded. Fucking nigger.

Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit

this looks like absolute doodoo ass

He had no sense of urgency in ANH like he did in RO.

Well, in RO the ship is about to escape and he has a couple seconds to get back the plans. When he enters the ship in ANH it's sitting inside of a star destroyer and he has all the time in the world to search it.

Why? The OT lightsaber fights aged like milk. This is pretty cool and isn't too over the top with unnecessary flipping and acrobatics like the PT

You are a faggot

What if I use the Force on everyone and everything BUT the datacard and the nigga carrying it

Rogue One was so fucking stupid it's unreal

Why? The OT lightsaber fights aged like milk.

It literally hasn't you fucking zoomer retard. At this point Vader is a damaged robot man that can barely breathe and Obi-Wan is old. Both are clearly out of practice because the Clone Wars have been over for 20 years. It makes sense that they both settle into a more classic joust. Having that frantic music and editing and them swinging their sabers around like 20 year olds is both retarded and nonsensical.

Why? The OT lightsaber fights aged like milk. This is pretty cool and isn't too over the top with unnecessary flipping and acrobatics like the PT

Not that guy, but I didn't like how they decided to go with a shaky gopro instead.

Vader against some random security plebs from Alderaan

Vader against the magic man who triple amputated him and left him to burn

This too. There's a reason why this scene was added as a reshoot. It would have made much more sense for the Tantive IV to escape and Vader and his Star Destroyer are giving chase, transitioning perfectly into ANH. Instead some retard said "Dude, wouldn't it be le epic if Vader whips out his lightsaber and goes full BEAST MODE on the rebels....but the plans still have to escape so he can't go beast mode on the one guy that he sees carrying the plans".

You're retarded. Vader was much faster and more aggressive in RO. Has nothing to do with the quality of his opponent. He was also not that fast against the random security plebs from Alderaan at the beginning of ANH.

Vader is also much faster and more aggressive in the comics and books (even the old ones), retard. Turns out both his slow as fuck joust with Kenobi and him being a murderous machine against rebel red shirts are cannon (for a middle ground you got his duels against Luke).

it was cringe as hell and looked terrible because of the fake ass red color grading, i say this as someone who likes some of the fan films, disney can't do anything right

Vader is also much faster and more aggressive in the comics and books (even the old ones), retard.

Literally no one cares. Only the movies count (especially in this discussion). I'm sure there's a fucking Gameboy game that has Vader doing something out of character.

urns out both his slow as fuck joust with Kenobi and him being a murderous machine against rebel red shirts are cannon (for a middle ground you got his duels against Luke).

Disney Wars are wrong a lot of things, This is one of them. They don't understand Star Wars.

only MY headcannon counts

Good for you, dumbass. Go discuss it with other old autistic grognards (also, as mentioned, Vader has shown the ability to be faster and more aggressive even in the original trilogy, during his fights against Luke)

Because A New Hope was made to be more slow and methodical like fencing.

Prequels made the lightsaber fights over the top like it's the matrix. They don't fit stylistically at all.

>only MY headcannon counts

It's not headcanon. Canon was made in the OT and anything a book/comic/Disney does to break it is thrown out. Fucking retard

le old

I bet you loved The Acolyte.

Vader has shown the ability to be faster and more aggressive even in the original trilogy, during his fights against Luke)

I don't disagree, retard. I never did. Vader, thought broken and attached to a fucking breathing machine, was still faster and stronger than Obi-Wan in ANH, but he brought himself down to Obi-Wan physical (strength/speed) level (he couldn't brag to him by saying "Your powers are weak old man" if he just cut him down right away.
The Vader/Luke fight was a truer representation of Vader's physical powers, but it's still nothing compared to the nonsense in that youtube video.

Both vaders are the same fucking age you retard. The movies take place back to back. The ship they escape on is the same ship they capture the princess on beginning in ANH.

Because A New Hope was made to be more slow and methodical like fencing.

And this was done more out of logic. Both were old and out of practice and Vader was on constantly life support.

physically calm

'Subdued' or 'Restrained'

Learning is fun!

Both vaders are the same fucking age you retard. The movies take place back to back. The ship they escape on is the same ship they capture the princess on beginning in ANH.

I refuse to believe this isn't a broken AI bot.

I unironically prefer the fencing-like choreography in this scene to the wushu bullshit in the prequels. You've got an energy sword that can cut through steel like butter, you don't need to make big movements to kill someone. You cut chop on arm off with a flick of your wrist. It makes sense that """"real"""" lightsaber combat would be closer to how rapiers or even estocs are used.

two old dudes having a standoff sword fight instead of doing super jumps and random twirling

What's wrong with that?

Because your a paid shill and anyone thats seen both movies have already been thinking about this retarded shit since RO came out. nuke this thread already. stupid faggot fucks

Unironically what has to go wrong in someone's brain for them to make think of this obvious joke, but then forget to actually include the joke when they draw the comic, and then not realise they forgot to include the joke and proudly post it online? I think you need legit brain damage to never at any stage notice you cocked up this bad.

He's going from slaughtering a bunch of canon fodder grunts to a dueling a Jedi grandmaster with decades of experience who taught Vader virtually everything he knew. How are you this retarded?

It's just another bait thread, there's been a bunch about SW recently

When it is so terrible that they cancel the series, yes, you can call it out as correct.

They cancelled the series because of low ratings and tons of feminist lesbian nonsense. Not because it broke canon (Disney has done that probably a dozen times and they don't care about that).
Retared.

Why wouldn't it make sense for him not to rush it when the ship is already fucking captured, dumbass?

Because the plans just barely slipped through his fingers 2 minutes before and that was when he was rushing. If he rushed in ANH like he did in RO, the plans might have been captures. Why would he go from "Must go full attack to get the plans" to "eh, I'll just let the stormtroopers handle it for now, I guess". It's poorly written.

Which Lucas rarely went out of his way to call not-cannon and outright either implicitly or explicitly accepted later on. And also kept the money machine going, which was quite important before the prequels.

As I said, it's EU canon and thus a money machine. Those dumb ysalamiri from the Zahn trilogy are barely ever mentioned again when in reality every smuggler and bad guy would want one of those around their neck at all times.

He's going from slaughtering a bunch of canon fodder grunts to a dueling a Jedi grandmaster with decades of experience who taught Vader virtually everything he knew. How are you this retarded?

You're the one who is retarded.
It's not about Vader vs Obi Wan in AHN. It's about how Vader goes from full rage attack at the end of RO to "eh, whatever I'll take my time" 2 minutes later at the beginning on ANH.

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They cancelled the series because "it was terrible"

As I said.

If he rushed in ANH like he did in RO, the plans might have been captures

Then you are actually arguing against the New Hope version of Vader, retard (just as people criticized those imperials that decided that shooting all capsules was a waste of credits); not his hyper aggressive Rogue One actions.

Those dumb ysalamiri from the Zahn trilogy are barely ever mentioned again when in reality every smuggler and bad guy would want one of those around their neck at all times.

If I remember correctly they were largely unknown and quite fragile.

In rogue one he was styling against a bunch of geeks that had no chance of hurting him. Against Obi Wan it was a slow and strategic duel between two master veterans of lightsaber combat that are well aware a single mistake could get them killed with one hit.

he has to focus in NH and do precise moves

As I said.

You the canon breaking was so terrible that they cancelled the series. Retard.

Then you are actually arguing against the New Hope version of Vader,

That came first. It's RO creators job to make their characters fit in line with the actions of the characters in ANH. They just said "fuck it, this will look cool even if it doesn't make sense". Thanks for losing the argument like a total retard.

If I remember correctly they were largely unknown and quite fragile.

Thrawn literally carried one around on his neck. Did you read the fucking books? And once someone saw Thrawn with that around his neck bossing C'Baoth around, the cat was out of the bag. Word would spread about this planet that is breeding anti-force creatures. Stop being a retarded bootlicker.

Actually it took place 39 years prior. Easy mistake to make though.

Because you are retarded. The end of rogue one ends at the beginning of A New Hope

Because you are retarded. The end of rogue one ends at the beginning of A New Hope

I literally never said otherwise. I'm just pointing out the actions of Vader at the end of RO are very different than the actions of Vader at the beginning of ANH (which is about 2 minutes later).
kys you fucking retard

You the canon breaking was so terrible that they cancelled the series. Retard.

I said that whenever a series is so utterly terrible that they cancel it then you can correctly call out its shitty cannon, fag

That came first. It's RO creators job to make their characters fit in line with the actions of the characters in ANH. They just said "fuck it, this will look cool even if it doesn't make sense". Thanks for losing the argument like a total retard.

That's stupid, you should be able to correct mistakes of the past (specially when they were due to limitations, like having heavy rods that aren't easy to duel with or your shitty plastic helmet being to crappy for the actor to see) and to better agree with the capabilities of your character.

Thrawn literally carried one around on his neck.

And people used to carry scarabs as jewelry for a time, that doesn't mean they weren't delicate and prone to dying due to lack of adequate care. Though I admit I am perhaps misremembering, let me check.

And once someone saw Thrawn with that around his neck bossing C'Baoth around, the cat was out of the bag.

That would be an admission of my first point (nobody used them because no one knew about them)

In ANH (a few hours later timeline wise), Vader is clearly a robot-man that is hindered in his skills by age and injuries

No, he's just played awkwardly by a stuntman in a suit that can't even see wtf he's doing.

Because it's Jedi vs Sith
The force enables both to predict the future which leads to micromovements and more of a stand off

Or you know Darth was played by some old british dude instead, what the fuck do you think happened?

The actions are different because of the retarded film makers trying to appeal to zoomers who gotta go fast

I said that whenever a series is so utterly terrible that they cancel it then you can correctly call out its shitty cannon, fag

So you can only call out shitty canon if the show/movie is terrible? Holy fuck you're a fucking retard.

That's stupid, you should be able to correct mistakes of the past

Are you fucking retarded? ANH Vader wasn't a mistake. He was cool and calculated. Vader in RO looks like a spastic retard that still fails in the end. What else should be "fixed" from the past in Star Wars? Should Luke be trans? Should Obi Wan now be an arm wrestling champion on Tattooine? Listen to yourself you fucking retard.

And people used to carry scarabs as jewelry for a time, that doesn't mean they weren't delicate and prone to dying due to lack of adequate care.

Needing adequate care is different than fragile. You didn't read the Thrawn books. Just admit it. And again, there's a reason why these ysalamiri are never mention. It's EU canon.

That would be an admission of my first point (nobody used them because no one knew about them)

AGAIN, once people saw Thrawn wearing the thing (they went to the planet to get them) and bossing a Jedi around the word would have gotten out.
Stop being a fucking retard you bleddit spacing faggot.

zoomers don't care about star wars

No, he's just played awkwardly by a stuntman in a suit that can't even see wtf he's doing.

Irrelevant. Anakin in that suit would be just as awkward (or at least more awkward than a healthy Anakin that didn't need the suit). The suit was a hindrance to him physically and was attached to a breathing machine.

Vader did the same thing in Empire when he fights Luke. He doesn’t immediately try to win, he tests and gauges his skill. If Obi was too old to put up a fight anymore, he could reasonably be testing how far he’s fallen.

Darth Vader was NOT supposed to be an ineffectual old man who can barely move in the original trilogy. He's the Emperor's right hand man and feared in-universe as a guy who gets shit done. What you are doing is trying to rationalise technical faults of a fantasy flick from the 70's by retroactively applying headcanon that makes no sense in-universe.

Darth Vader was NOT supposed to be an ineffectual old man who can barely move in the original trilogy.

He's not an ineffectual old man, but he is a middle aged man that has been severely damaged in battle. He needs a fucking breathing machine and he wears a cumbersome suit so he can carry this breathing machine around. His helmet almost certaintly hurts his field of vision and reflexes. It's impossible that it doesn't.
You are a complete retard. Anakin without the suit is stronger than Anakin with the suit.

Then who is watching this shit

He had no real urgency in either. He's just being a Sith fueled by the dark side when fighting. Vader canonically was at the point where he barely gave a shit about the rebellion or anything at all until after ANH when he learned who Luke was. Even killing Kenobi only roused him from the depths of depression for a bit.

The comic does a terrible job of conveying his message, but i agree. Rouge one has him acting like his vidya version and new hope battle is the objectively worst duel in the entirety of star wars with him slowly poking his lightsaber

He had no real urgency in either.

Are you fucking retarded? In RO he went full "le beast mode", but in ANH he let his slow, incompetent stormtroopers do the fighting then he just casually walked in.

Vader canonically was at the point where he barely gave a shit about the rebellion or anything at all until after ANH when he learned who Luke was.

Wrong. In both movies he wanted the stolen plans.

new hope battle is the objectively worst duel in the entirety of star wars with him slowly poking his lightsaber

It's amazing how retarded you people are. The lightsaber duel in ANH is perfect. Let me explain it to you

Vader is younger, stronger and faster than Obi-Wan (even in his suit)

Obi Wan is older and slower, but he is also very much out of practice

Vader could instakill Obi Wan, but wants to see how much fight Obi Wan can deliver to him, so he merely matches Obi Wan and does some weak attacks on him

that way he can gloat and say "Your powers are weak old man"

Obi Wan knows that he has no chance against Vader but is just buying time so that Luke can accomplish the mission and escape

Obi Wan finally catches Vader off guard by doing his self sacrifice thing

Vader's playful hubris hurt him in the end

"le beast mode"

That's just HOW he fights. In canon, he is mentally robotic and just coasting on the momentum of his life decisions without any real purpose.

Wrong. In both movies he wanted the stolen plans.

Well duh, he wanted the plans because that was his duty as basically the #2 in the Empire but he did not really care about the Empire. But he had nothing else to do and combat was the only thing that allowed him to feel anymore.

And yes, Lucas had this as the original mentality of Vader in ANH even when he hadn't fleshed out the full canon yet. Vader was always meant to be a depressed individual who had sacrificed everything for power and was left completely hollow so as to be literally robotic, "he's more machine now than man". Throughout ANH he acts like he barely gives a shit except for when he neck snaps the captain of the Tantive IV and Lucas said he regrets allowing Vadar to show so much emotion during that scene but it was early in the shooting.

That's just HOW he fights.

Then why didn't he fight like that at the beginning of ANH? Why did he do a complete 180 from beast mode to passive observer in the span of 2 minutes?

Well duh, he wanted the plans because that was his duty as basically the #2 in the Empire but he did not really care about the Empire.

Whatever. Doesn't matter. His motivations are his own and he cared enough about the rebellion to get the plans back from them.

And yes, Lucas had this as the original mentality of Vader in ANH even when he hadn't fleshed out the full canon yet. Vader was always meant to be a depressed individual who had sacrificed everything for power and was left completely hollow so as to be literally robotic, "he's more machine now than man". Throughout ANH he acts like he barely gives a shit except for when he neck snaps the captain of the Tantive IV and Lucas said he regrets allowing Vadar to show so much emotion during that scene but it was early in the shooting.

This is real schizospeak right here.

You have schizophrenia, retard

Rogue 1 is some gay knockoff, you can just ignore it along with the other four same way you ignore Ewok Adventures 1&2.