Why did He do it?

why did He do it?

He thought he was above the law.

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so his jewish friends could erase white religions from europe

The teachings of the Sermon on the Mount have been a key element of Christian ethics, and for centuries the sermon has acted as a fundamental recipe for the conduct of the followers of Jesus.[28] Various religious and moral thinkers (e.g. Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi) have admired its message, and it has been one of the main sources of Christian pacifism.[1][29]

The thing that I don't understand about Christianity is that they say that Jesus took on the punishment for our sin, but if the penalty of sin is an eternity in hell, that's not the same thing as being tortured for a few hours. on top of that, Jesus revived himself anyways, so where's the sacrifice?

so where's the sacrifice?

stop asking questions goy

This, I would take a 3 day crucifixion over eternity in hellfire

thats a pretty impressive long con

you dont understand you have to suffer because god created humans just to punish them for something he did

I thought it was about him abandoning god and feeling mortal suffering as a man. its not about the extent of suffering, but the kind.

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it’s real suspicious we don’t know anything about when jesus was a teen or young adult
he could’ve been jacking it constantly or whoring or sinning other ways and it’s all hidden from us
pretty much any 30 year old can have it figured out morally if they want to, but the real test for staying sinless is puberty

isnt hell like the buring, and shit a new more representational thing? its more that your soul disipates. because purely spiritual beings dont feel physical suffering. Hell being non existance, A person who is non spiritual is reduced to a phyiscal animal, a person who is spiritual is elevated to the realm of concepts.

According to who, exactly? Humans aren't created for the purpose of suffering. Genesis is very clear about this, they don't suffer whatsoever until after the first sin.
Considering that Jesus is God, you can't really hold him to the same standards as an ordinary human, but yeah we can probably assume that since he felt hunger and pain he had a sex drive of some kind. It's a really weird thing to think about in all honesty. It's not that I doubt Jesus managed it, I just wonder what kind of thoughts he was having in the first place. The theological implications of if we could know what God's sexual fetishes were... it's just crazy to wonder about.

the fact that “God” intentionally hid the most challenging moral years of life from us is all you need to know Jesus was a self righteous grifter with a victim and martyr complex. Still a really good guy overall ofc, just had that human flaw to him where he was basically suicidal and wanted to die but to do so as a good person

Reminder that Jesus never claimed to be God, the early Christians did not think of him as God and even the idea of God sacrificing his life makes zero sense since he would have known he was immortal

Considering that Jesus is God

Lmao imagine thinking god can die or doubt himself on the cross

lol

it’s real suspicious we don’t know anything about when jesus was a teen or young adult

he could’ve been jacking it constantly or whoring or sinning other ways and it’s all hidden from us

There is a non-canon gospel that depicts jesus as a child and he was a dick, he kills another kid then brings him back to life if I remember right.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospel_of_Thomas

sort of. our idea of hell has definitely been influenced by works of fiction like dante and milton but the bible is pretty clear that hell is place of fire and conscious torment. the parable of lazarus and the rich man for example

Why are you capitalizing he? Jesus isn't God.

Please open your bible to Psalm 22 and read it. Jesus is not "doubting himself." When he says "My God, why have you forsaken me" he's quoting the opening lines of Psalm 22 for reasons that will be very obvious to you if you read the text in question.
You sound suspiciously Muslim. Obviously God cannot die as in cease to exist, but there's no reason his human incarnation can't physically die if he didn't will himself to be immortal. And it's beside the point, because the defining element of Christianity is the resurrection. It's a given that death didn't stick to Jesus.
In simple terms:
God = beyond mortality, immaterial, eternal
A mortal vessel which has God inside it = can die (though would be physically immortal if God wanted that) but God will obviously not cease to exist as a result.

defining element of Christianity is the resurrection

Which makes sense if Jesus was a mortal man who God resurrected, not if he was God and understood to be God.

A lot of the new testament doesn't make sense if Jesus is supposed to be God, why would Judas betray God? Why would God pray to himself?

The only gospel where Jesus actually says to his followers that he is God is John which is the last written one. It was invented later on.

Uh even Catholics acknowledge he had a moment of doubt you retard, I don’t think literally god would do that but your stupid god apparently is that insecure in himself… idk sounds like a god for chicks and jews

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He thought God was going to come back, destroy the Roman empire, and he would be King of the Jews. Note in the Gospel of Mark (the oldest Gospel) he quite clearly give up hope in the end "My God, why have you forsaken me".

All other explanations are post-hoc rationalizations by religious nuts. All the other gospels were recorded later and make the life (and death) of Jesus more divine and pre-ordained.

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if you think about it it would be even weirder if jesus wasn't divine given he came up with his own philosophy and theology which was unlike anything else at the time but he managed to easily weave it into pre-existing jewish teaching, ran roughshod over everyone not through war or conquest but simply through his words, refused to be beaten into submission, willingly gave up his life just out of pure obstinance and belief in his own vision, and birthed an entire religion due to his actions

which was unlike anything else at the time

Jesus was a bog standard apocalyptic prophet, which was common at that time. Some of his teachings might have been novel, but it's hard to find evidence of that because we don't have tons of writings from that time as most people were illiterate. What we do have are writings from elite Romans who obviously didn't believe that the meek will inherit the earth.

jesus experienced doubt long before that
assuming he was the son of god it would make sense to view jesus' life as essentially god role-playing the human experience, central to which is doubt about god's existence, so it makes sense he experienced this

If you want the unfortunate truth it’s that the concept of eternal hell is biblically shaky at best and was demonstrably adopted as a means of social control by the church. Most of the early Christian groups were universalists who believed either that all souls were saved by the redemptive sacrifice no questions asked or that unrepentant souls went through tribulations in hell as a means to eventually slough off their sins and enter heaven.
This is in contrast to most modern branches of Christianity that see redemption through Christ as either something ascribed intrinsically by nature of existence (calvinists) or chosen ritual (Catholics) and those that see redemption through Christ as a willing choice that must be made before death (evangelicals).

on the contrary, we know a lot about jewish religion and philosophy of the time and his philosophy obviously builds on it while at the same time radically diverging from it
jews like to claim credit for the bulk of jesus' teachings and say that it was standard fare, eg. 'love your neighbors', however the extension of this to, 'love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you' was totally revolutionary

jesus experienced doubt long before that

Doubt about what? Like I said, it is most likely that the Historical Jesus thought he was the messiah (but not God) and that the end of the world was coming close. God would come down, destroy evil (the Roman empire) and would need a good human to be his right-hand-man. Jesus believed he was that man.

jesus said barely anything about the romans and was barely political at all

hell isn't an actual place. the whole burning for eternity shit comes from dante's comedy, literal fan fiction. and then your boomer parents drilled that nonsense into your brain which came from their parents doing the same and so on.

love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you' was totally revolutionary

I don't think we know if the historical Jesus actually said that, though. The oldest manuscripts are from the 2nd century, and even those are copies of copies, of copies, and even then the original was the writing of oral accounts that had passed from person to person. It is most likely that if the Historical Jesus said "love your enemies" he most likely meant "fellow Jews"

if all souls are saved no questions asked then why did jesus go through all that trouble of teaching his disciples stuff

jesus said barely anything about the romans and was barely political at all

We know what people like Jesus thought, and they thought the world was controlled by evil forces, and in that day that was the Roman empire. This was a worldview heled by people like John the Baptist, who Jesus did follow until he started his own ministry.

To conquer death and give life to all of creation
Romans 11:36
1 Tim 2:4
1 Tim 4:10
1 Cor 15:20-28

eternity in hell

The wages of sin is death, eternal fiery hell with different sin layers is heretical fanfiction by Dante.

The idea is that he's a Passover lamb, a human too, the most valuable being, and sinless, and the vessel of God, or God himself, so he's infinitely valuable and can carry infinite sin. So he's tortured according to scripture, and defeats death by coming back proving we don't die because of the original sin as was thought. It all has to do with jewish theology.

I don't think we know if the historical Jesus actually said that, though

we don't know if barely anyone from history said anything

Nothing the disciples could have learned or done could have ever saved them in a million years. The sacrifice was the only thing that could have saved them. So even if we operated under the assumption of eternal punishment of the soul outside of a narrow stipulation of belief in the sacrifice, Jesus would still have little reason to teach his disciples since the belief was all that “mattered.”
Obviously, we are here on earth for a reason. Even if the redemption is completely universal, there is a purpose to us being here and a reason for following the gospel.

Love.

We know what people like Jesus thought, and they thought the world was controlled by evil forces, and in that day that was the Roman empire

they were the occupying force in judea, he wasn't leading a political crusade, he was concerned about spirituality and theology. He was condemned by his own people, the spiritual authority in form of the sanhedrin, and their sentence was carried about the civil authority which were the romans
jesus reserves most of his scorn for jewish teaching, not political stuff

we don't know if barely anyone from history said anything

We do know what people who actually wrote shit said. We know what Cicero and Marcus Aurelius said, because they were literate and wrote shit down. Jesus gave sermons, people heard them, they would share what he said (orally) and this would pass from person to person like a game of telephone. Then some dude who was literate wrote down what he heard, and this would be copied (by hand) by scribes over and over again, so in that you have so many places where people either misheard, or some scribe changed something here or there.

Im not a works saves guy but in the same way you prove to your friends and family that you love them by being good and right by them, you prove your faith and love of God by being good and doing right by Him. Therefore the disciples to better know and love God are given His terms to the fullest by Jesus with the purpose that we know and love God to our fullest extent

This is it. Any self respecting European who worships an arab is insane.

he wasn't leading a political crusade, he was concerned about spirituality and theology

I didn't say that he was. He was telling people to follow "good lives" and to repent for salvation, because the end was near and God was coming back. This is pretty clear because on everything we know about him.

Dante’s hell isn’t even particularly fiery. The depths are frigid.
The actual notion of the lake of brimstone being literal is found in church iconography far before Dante was even born, and the interpretation of the death of the soul being a destruction rather than a sustained torment is also heretical to a lot of groups. Catholics are pretty comfortably allowed a range of universalist to annihilationist beliefs because the church only confirms who is saved and not who is damned.

Jesus was white.

Christcucks lose their shit when you ask them where in the Bible Jesus claims to be God.

a universal faith uniting mankind in progress and love towards an ultimate goal of unity under the creator and harmony in heaven and earth?

nah I’d rather worship twigs and rocks and beg them for petty favors

but if the penalty of sin is an eternity in hell

it's been a couple decades but i remember hell, as explained by my priest, as an eternal longing for forgiveness. not little horned demons poking sinners with pitchforks.

the synoptic gospels were written in like 70 AD and extant copies from the time still exist

Sure, all Im saying is the picture painted of Hell isnt biblically founded and whether the description is symbolic or literal remains to be seen. All we truly know is that it is apart from God, whether that means destruction of the soul or eternity in anguish is unknown til the time comes

Nature and understanding of it gave us the atomic bomb. I'll take that over worshipping a jew.

I once asked my grandma this as a genuinely inquisitive kid and got yelled at for blaspheming. The answer is that he makes vague reference to Judaic prophecy about the messiah and being the son of God but not literally to being God, which is why there are a lot of denominations like Quakers who reject the divinity of Christ.

the synoptic gospels were written in like 70 AD and extant copies from the time still exist

Mark was likely written in 70 AD, the other ones decades latter. And we don't have a single complete manuscript until the 3rd century. So we are talking about hundreds of years of people copying shit by hand.

But even if you have a completely perfect copy of Mark, written in 70 AD by "Mark" himself, he is STILL writing down what he HEARD, which again was a huge game of telephone which we know will distort any piece of information.

Well I’m generally wearing it on my sleeve but I would like to think that the choice to unite under God or reject his gift is extended after death rather than at the moment of death because that would have required Jesus to do a harrowing of hades basically every month until mass globalization made the gospel in every human language just to liberate righteous pagans

That's still what, 40 years at least after Jesus died? That is plenty of time for things to get distorted especially in the ancient world.

Unironically Islam makes more sense because the copy of the Quran Mohamed had is the same today and in the same language. Another problem with the bible is translation.

But even if you have a completely perfect copy of Mark, written in 70 AD by "Mark" himself, he is STILL writing down what he HEARD, which again was a huge game of telephone which we know will distort any piece of information.

It always blew my mind that there are only 2 non-Christian sources that mention jesus I think a roman dude and some other and I think they refer to him as Christus?

They basically laughing at it being a vampire cult.

Unironically Islam makes more sense because the copy of the Quran Mohamed had is the same today and in the same language. Another problem with the bible is translation.

Mo never had a copy of the Koran tho, that was still orally passed down by people memorising it.

I would like the universalist approach, but Id never rest on it.

Most of our current understanding of nature came from monks who had the time and resources to narrow down which of the folk beliefs and methods of pagans were real and which were bullshit. Then the first wave of rationalists operated under either deist or Catholic theologies before ultimately giving way to largely agnostic and secular scientific institutions. Pagan rituals did not give us shit besides iconography for horror flicks and Halloween costumes.

It was a cult. There is another Roman writer who talked about how Christians would come to him and want to be executed to be martyrs but he wouldn't do it. He thought they were insane.

stuck in some shithole in the desert surrounded by sand people who are just itching to riot again

have no idea what we're supposed to be doing here

just one more tour and I can return to rome

some schizo hippy claims he's the son of god and has pissed off the dessert people

guess I have to enforce the law one way or another

ask the crazy jews if they really want this guy dead just for being a little wacko

they scream for his blood

okay fine whatever, I don't need this shit

whoops turns out it actually was the son of god

I feel bad for him honestly

We really can’t rest on anything. It’s in God’s hands and not ours. All we can do is treat each other well, respect ourselves, and wait while trusting the divine plan.

no he was not. no one natively living in those latitudes was white.

the gospels were written in greek, what are you talking about

Josephus and Tacitus and yeah it was basically a vampire death cult, they literally claim to drink his blood and eat his body.

think I’m gonna get put up in a villa somewhere or maybe one of the Northern European frontiers

put in charge of a bunch of monotheist fanatics in the desert who all dress and act funny

one day they bring a guy in front of me and demand I execute him because he’s gonna overthrow Rome

ask him straight up “hey are you gonna overthrow Rome”

fucker looks me dead in the eye and says “No. also I’m the son of god btw.”

natural philosophy and natural science it's right there in the name, obvs the religious institutions gave the system for it, but the actual reverence of nature and focus on it over some arab/jewish metaphysics is way more pagan than abrahamic

Explain to me why Judas, a man who was close to Jesus and would have seen him perform miracles would betray him for any amount of money, it makes zero sense unless Jesus actually did nothing special and was a human man.

The truth is Jesus was the John Smith of his day and the goverment executed him to btfo his little cult and its only because Constatine 300 years later state mandated it for the purpose of control that christanity is relevant. The whole sin forgiveness cruxification and ressurection thing was retconned into the lore after. His real body was likely left to rot and eaten by crows.

Amen

We are really fucked up.
IIRC: The Old Testament is basically The Chosen People fucking up even when they had pretty much direct contact with God and His Miracles.
Anon, Cain killed Abel. He was the first born of Adam and Eve, that were born in Paradise and were expelled because they themselves fucked up (Original Sin).

Pagans do not have a monopoly on living with the land and comprehending the intricate aspects of the natural environment to draw conclusions. Anyone before the modern era who didn’t get their food from the supermarket had to do this to survive.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_death

I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary Under Pontius Pilate He was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_one/section_one/chapter_three/article_2/the_credo.html

Death of the body is not the same as death of the soul

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is an apocryphal gospel about the childhood of Jesus. The scholarly consensus dates it to the mid-to-late second century, with the oldest extant fragmentary manuscript dating to the fourth or fifth century, and the earliest complete manuscript being the Codex Sabaiticus from the 11th century.

Early Christian writers regarded the Infancy Gospel of Thomas as inauthentic and heretical. Eusebius rejected it as a heretical "fiction" in the third book of his fourth-century Church History, and Pope Gelasius I included it in his list of heretical books in the fifth century.

so where's the sacrifice?

Well to give credit he did this as a man, so his suffering in punishment wasn't any less than you or me going through the same thing. Also I always saw the story more about how people treated jesus horribly because he did everything right, rather than what he gave to humanity.

But I agree there's a problem with the weight of the sacrifice. Cruxifixion was a normal torture and execution that humans were subjected to, and probably for things less severe than blasphemy. And if we just look at the worst things to happen to humans, like being a POW under the care of mad scientists, those things happened to humans for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Eusebius rejected it as a heretical "fiction" in the third book of his fourth-century

Literally just some guys opinion, I declare it true

But I agree there's a problem with the weight of the sacrifice. Cruxifixion was a normal torture and execution that humans were subjected to, and probably for things less severe than blasphemy.

but he did it willingly, he could've gotten out of it if he recanted but he didn't

and then killed himself

.....open the book next time

The story would work much better if Jesus was a human who was so good that God resurrected him and adopted him as his son, just my opinion.

Dont be so quick to point fingers, just like Jonah we receive messages from the holy spirit and are just as guilty. There is some comedic timing in the OT thoughever

Sounds like post-hoc rationalization to me. And I don't believe ancient jews believed in Souls, they believe God's kingdom was going to be on earth, in their earthly bodies.

the jews didnt believe in souls

They definitely believe in an afterlife, otherwise they wouldnt have been so rigid in their belief and sacrifice, dingdong.
Even granting that, they dont believe in Jesus either, so whats your point?

They definitely believe in an afterlife

Yes, in their earthly bodies. The Greeks did believe in the soul, so that probably leached onto early Christian beliefs.

in their earthly bodies

They believed in more than just body, jews knew what decomposed bodies looked like. They knew you dont just get up and walk around as a skeleton, whether they believe in our definition of soul isnt really here or there as they believe we possess some immutable thing that is contingent on God's approval. Its like saying jews dont believe in doors, they believe in wood boards with metal knobs

They believed in more than just body

Yes, the believed in the "breath of life" like what you read in Genesis. They did not believe that you had a soul separate from the body and that when your physical body dies your soul is free to go somewhere else. The point I'm trying to make is that is very likely what Jesus believed as well, and if you look at some of the things he supposedly said, it makes a lot of sense. He believed in God establishing his kingdom here, on earth. Jesus came back to life, to ascend in to heaven (his body did)

This is why later Christians tie themselves into knots about the supposed coming resurrection. They actually believe that people who died and were burred hundreds of years ago had their souls go to heaven. When God comes back those souls will go back to their earthly bodies, to be resurrected, to fit the writings in the bible.

It's just that insane, can you not see how there is something incredibly wrong about the whole thing?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh

Yes, the breath of life, as mentioned here

Yeah read it. Body and soul are complete in self but jews do believe that nephesh is self absent body. All your headcanon about what you think Jesus thought is immediately disregarded. He is God, the son.

Body and soul are complete in self but jews do believe that nephesh is self absent body

I don't think that is true, what you see are issues that arise in translation and the invasion of Greek thought into ancient Jewish thought comingling into Christian thought.