Why do people hate this nigga so much?

Like what does he even do that's bad?

I have no idea who this man is

I dunno

He was arrogant enough to keep Jimmy from working for him but too timid to take the blame. He's essentially the person Orson Wells described when talking about woody allen.

keep Jimmy from working for him

He literally gave Jimmy a job, did you even watch the show?

They are Jimmy enablers who pretend that every single shit Slippin Jimmy pulled was because of Chuck.
Reminder, everything Chuck thought Jimmy would do as a lawyer, Jimmy did do. From scams and abuse of law to complete disregard of authority and due process.
Two things can be true at the same time: Chuck can be a schizo petty asshole, and he was also absolutely right about Jimmy.
Now watch as Jimmy pity party parks in and starts justifying everything Jimmy did as a direct result of Chuck gatekeeping law from him, completely ignoring everything he did in season 1 prior to Chuck openly revealing how much he doesn't want him to be a lawyer.

Kept Jimmy from working as a lawyer, yes Howard was happy to keep jimmy in the mailroom you faggot

Chuck didn't even gatekeep the law from Jimmy. He even gives him advice on his private practice and doing good work for clients. He just doesn't hire Jimmy as a lawyer at his firm, which given that he already gave him a job in the copy room basically means he just didn't give Jimmy a promotion at work. Chuck wasn't a good brother, but he had a lifetime of context for Jimmy. He knew what he was.

Kept Jimmy from working as a lawyer

How so? He literally gives him advice on his practice/public defender work. He just doesn't give him a job at HHM. That's like saying whoever didn't hire me at Booz Allen Hamilton impeded my ability to practice law.

Chuck punished Jimmy's good behavior and encouraged his worst behavior every time he sabotaged him. Worse, he was two-faced about it, hiding behind Howard while screwing over his own brother.

I'm re watching this now, and most of the shit jimmy really does is in direct reaction to chuck. When he's doing PD work he's mostly playing it straight, the first shady thing he does is just trying to get in front of the Kettlemans or staging the photo op with the billboard, all of which is just thinking out of the box to advertise.
He's trying to stay on the straight and narrow as well as he can.
Its also kind of funny that the entire series would never have happened if Chuck wasn't an emotionally repressed retard and had the conversation with jimmy about why he couldn't hire him at HHM instead of being a little bitch who hid behind howard. Especially during the time in which he's relying on jimmy for absolutely everything.

He's not incorrect to not hire Jimmy, he's incorrect to make it seem like Howard didn't want Jimmy. If he would have been brave and just told him "cool license bro, that American Samoa degree is laughable and you are a liability because of your criminal past. I'll gladly write you a letter of reccomendation for any other firm, but I can't risk my life's work on your midlife glow up. But hey I love you so prove me wrong, nothing would make me happier than for my suspicions about your morality to be completely unfounded."

Or even

"Jimmy you just aren't HHM material in my opinion yet. I know a lot of lawyers like you who make a killing in injury law as part of an idependant practice. Also Howard disagrees so don't spend a half a decade trying to ruin him"

encouraged his worst behavior

Is Jimmy five years old in your scenario?
Again, Jimmy pity van, before even knowing about Chuck not wanting him in HHM, continued pulling scams because he didn't want to work in public defense and wait for the clients to come in. The Kettlemans are simply the only ones we see. Then he baited publicity with a billboard scam, took a bribe of stolen money from the Kettlemans, and only returned it because they went full retard and didn't want to return it.
You are legit acting like Jimmy is an alcoholic and just HAS to scam people and pull this shit. This was all without knowing that Chuck does not want him to be his peer in the firm. This has fucking nothing to do with Chuck unless your actual fucking argument that Jimmy was owed HHM job by Chuck. To which I refer you to Davis & Main and how that job went for him and would be he able to fit in and not break the rules all the time.

You faggot

It’s a Vince thing. They’re all huge assholes. All of them.

Okay, I will admit that was cowardly of him, especially because as you said he was well within reason to not hire him as a lawyer at HHM. My argument is more that I don't agree when people say he sabotaged him, as I don't regard not hiring someone as sabotaging them in that field as a whole. Also I disagree with your saying he should have written a letter of recommendation for Jimmy to another firm, as that's Chuck's professional reputation there. And as we saw with Davis and Maine, he wasn't wrong to not recommend him to another firm.

You are legit acting like Jimmy is an alcoholic

Redditors would actually defend this too, as we see with Jesse, his addictions, and the reaction to his parents.

Jimmy pity party parks in

new tongue twister dropped

Or point out how there is a conflict of interest since he is his brother and hiring him would clearly look like nepotism.
But the whole point of Chuck's character is that he's so fucked up emotionally he's manifested his "condition."
Albuquerque in the universe of the show is also teeming with all kinds of dirty shit and big money just right under the surface ripe to chew up someone else.
Still I think its not until he goes back to chicago and his friend dies that he really crosses the event horizon.

He literally explains to Jimmy he can't cut corners to get to where he is which is what he was doing. An online lawyer course IS a joke. He hadn't gone through the actual work you gotta put in like Chuck had done. Might as well just sent off a paper to a diploma mill. Jimmy was good at manipulation which is why making him a lawyer was very dangerous as he would get access to legal means to cause a lot of damage.

A pack of jimmy's pitty party parks a pickled pirogi precariously on a precipice

because of the nepotism

Well the main thing against that is the Howard thing, as Howard's father was the other Hamlin. However, Howard didn't have a lengthy criminal history and probably went to a better school than the university of american samoa.

I'm re watching this now

He's trying to stay on the straight and narrow as well as he can.

Did you skip the entire first season? Please recount the events of the first episode of Season One to the class and point out the straight-arrow Jimmy moment in it. Oh, or in your view it doesn't count because it failed and there was no victim? It's just a goofy gaff by good old wholesome Jimmirino, no one got hurt (of the intended victims)
Did you know that show has a whole fucking scene just for people like you? youtube.com/watch?v=Kds7g9ebIZk

He hadn't gone through the actual work you gotta put in like Chuck had done.

Tbf to Jimmy it doesn't really matter what school you go to, so long as you pass the bar, which Jimmy did. However, this obviously doesn't apply to getting hired at a firm, where they can consider any factor they wish.

Okay I'll put it this way, and maybe if you're married you'll understand. I've been married for 7 years and have 3 kids with my wife. If I had to, I could come up with a completely legal scenario to make my wife have a complete meltdown, probably one ending with her in cuffs. I could push all the right buttons in such a way to make her act like a complete looney tune. She's an adult, her losing her shit would be on her regardless of what I did. But if I left the right things undone, acted in the correct way, said the right thing I could absolutely gas my wife up into cuffs. And I guarantee she could do the same to me. There are some people you are so intimate with that you can push them over the edge without committing as much as a misdemeanor. Now just because in my psycho scenario I do nothing illegal, she smacks me and I get her arrested would I not share the blame because she's an adult. Could be faultless just because the courts and the law found nothing wrong with my actions? That's how I feel about Chuck, he isn't liable for the shit Jimmy does but he definitely shares the blame. He wants Jimmy to commit crimes because he doesn't want Jimmy at his level and he pushes the right buttons to ensure that. Not criminal, still wrong.

That’s just indicative of Jimmy’s character, skirting the rules wherever he can, which Chuck knows all too well. The letter of the law if not the spirit. They’re both assholes, but Jimmy’s the bigger one

Tbf to Jimmy it doesn't really matter what school you go to, so long as you pass the bar

Which is a childish way to see things. It's one thing to have the book smarts, but he never did actual work prior like Chuck and any lawyer would have during their days in law school.

He didn’t have to, that’s the point. In Jimmyworld he’s the smart one because he doesn’t have to jump through all the hoops

Trying to stay on the straight and narrow is not being straight and narrow. Hence the operative word "Try."

Good intentions don’t really matter. I can “try” and lose weight but if I don’t actually do anything tangible to do so, my intentions are irrelevant. Jimmy never even really tried

I love chuck's character, but Howard is my favorite

So why did he tell him for nearly the whole of S1 that he could work there and that he could totally be hired?

Because he's a pussy bitch. Doesn't mean he's wrong about Jimmy, or in not wanting him to work at his firm. The fact that Jimmy destroys Howard's life despite KNOWING it wasn't him that didn't want him at HHM is proof positive, among other things.

He's a hateful jealous little worm who loved believing he was better than his brother and hated to see him succeed.

They're both assholes who are deeply repressed. Chuck is the type to enjoy Jimmy's tomfoolery because it's edifying to him, Jimmy is just a moral relativist. Chuck is the embodiment of thr letter of the law, Jimmy is the embodiment of the spirit of the law. That's why they have a good dynamic and the show was enjoyable. They are star crossed brothers

Why did he think the firm which does nepo hires would nepo hire him?

Gee.

40 year old career criminal

How old is he actually supposed to be in BCS/when he moves out west? It always fucks me up because bob is obviously physically older, and they slather him in makeup in the first season, and I don't think they try to draw attention to age much.

People say this show is dumb but I would say it's too smart for its own good, similarly with Breaking Bad. The show doesn't beat you over the head with overt examples of Jimmy's and Jesse's actions causing harm. It just happens. But that doesn't mean they are painted as sympathetic characters. With Jimmy there's a very consistent through line that I think the showrunners very consciously designed where we get glimpses and rare occasions where we have a half-explicit scene of jimmy's actions culminating in a situation where he's confronted with his actions and he just doubles down every single time.

Jimmy's completely retarded lightswitch moment, the Bar hearing, Howard talking about Chuck's death, the breakup, all the shenanigans with Jeffy, Jimmy's conversation with Mike in the Finale. These aren't isolated incidents and they aren't exceptions to some story where Jimmy is otherwise a hero. If you look closer you realize that he's like that all of the time. He just hides it really well (even to himself) until the heat catches up to him and he's forced to show his true ugly face in those rare moments.

You got Slippin' Jimmied.

I'm not disputing anything you're saying.
Jimmy is a cunt and deserves a lot of the bad stuff that happens to him, but you shouldn't fill that same person's head (someone you know is a thieving and opportunistic social climber with a shallow conscience) with all these lies and expectations that you have no intention of fulfilling anyways and then when confronted, sheepishly tell the guy 'sikes, I never meant any of that so you worked your ass off for nothing LOL"

I am not disputing any of that. Chuck is indeed insecure and jealous of Jimmy and his charisma, but he also intimately knows that, given a choice, Jimmy is going to choose the path of least resistance and will look for shortcuts in everything he does, for better or for worse. Which he does.
The notion that all the shit Jimmy pulls is because of a Chuck-sized chip on his shoulder is simply false, and I despise pitying gestures towards Jimmy that claim that his Saul spiral happened only because Chuck yelled YWNBAL.

An online lawyer course IS a joke.

Did jimmy pass a different bar exam than all the other lawyers?

He sabotaged Jimmy but he couldn´t stand the idea of Jimmy succeeding in his own field (Law)
His entire life he resented how everyone liked Jimmy more because he was more charismatic, but he was able to cope with it because he (Chuck) was a respectable, successful person while Jimmy was a sleezeball who would never amount to anything.
So when Jimmy showed signs of turning his life around, Chuck became enraged because if Jimmy succeeded, Chuck would lose the only thing he had over him.

The thing people miss is: Even though it came from a place of bitterness, Chuck was right about Jimmy. He was never going to change. There are many poins through the show where Jimmy could comfortably set himself in a straight path, but it was never enough for him, he always had to act up.

also an excellent choice

Bar exams vary by difficulty depending on where you live or where you intend on practicing law.
It is entirely possible that Jimmy just min maxed and took the easiest bar possible. According to the official bar site (ncbex.org/statistics-research/bar-exam-results-jurisdiction) the bar with the highest pass rate is Hawaii.

He'd have to have taken the New Mexico bar to practice there retardbro.

where you intend on practicing law.

Well thats the thing isn't it. He's not going to be able to practice law outside of that area, and someone would have called him out on it.
It took him three tries, which is reasonable, and he's not an idiot and he demonstrates multiple times he's a good lawyer who knows his stuff.

Same with Mike's granddaughter Kaylee in BCS being older than she was in BB, vince Gilligan said the ages don't really matter and things are reworked to make the story work. Essentially

who cares, I'm just telling a story, don't pay attention to that menutia, there is meatier menutia to dig into

Anon you're missing it

Everyone knows Jimmy becomes the fuck up Chuck predicted

The question is, without chucks betrayal was Jimmy always destined to be that fuck up. I know you've made your mind up but there is enough evidence in the show to at least question if Jimmy was given a job at HHM as a lawyer, would he have become the totally amoral figure he became.

Now sure he is an ambulance chasing low moral law guy in S1. He's also fiercly loyal to Chuck and waiting on him hand & foot.

He's willing to everything he can to help his brothers illness (to the point of enabling it by arguing with doctors)

Jimmy's final attonement was supposed to be becoming a viable asset to Chuck, part of the positive side of the ledger. He was denied that opportunity because Chuck didn't want Jimmy to be anywhere near himself in terms of respect or station in life because Chuck hated Jimmy because their mom preferred Jimmy.

boobget

I completely agree with you, it doesn't matter, even if it is funny when mike looks like his walker and oxygen tank is right off scene and he's about to die at any moment.
I'm just curious if its ever explicitly stated.

It isn't but I bet if you asked Vince he'd say something like "mid to late 20s". When he's arrested he's supposed to be young and HHM is growing but not a behemoth. I think he works in the mailroom for close to a decade

The question is, without chucks betrayal was Jimmy always destined to be that fuck up

I am not calling Jimmy a fuckup, though. You are yourself confounding my point about why Chuck didn't want him to be near the law.
And no, I do not agree with you one bit that there is any evidence that he wouldn't do the same shit in HHM as he did in Davis & Main. His tenure as a public lawyer in season 1 shows otherwise.
Neither "loving his brother" points to him not abusing his relation if he were to get in.
Reminder that he was willing to lie about billboard so he had zero issues with doing the scammy jig as long as Chuck didn't know. So again, why wouldn't this apply to HHM? You know, as long as Chuck doesn't know.

Chuck didn't want Jimmy to be anywhere near himself in terms of respect or station in life because Chuck hated Jimmy because their mom preferred Jimmy.

And because he could foresee how a professional scammer and thief with zero moral occlusions would act with a lawyer's license as a nepobaby in his firm. Like my entire first post was about both of these statements being true. But Jimmy Pity Party Incorporated really can't let go of a delusion that Jimmirno was turning a new leaf when season 1 shows he isn't even remotely trying to do it. And only if meanie Chuck wasn't that mean and bad, he would definitely be the hecking wholesome lawyer, like he was in D&M. youtube.com/watch?v=Nbd2oVnByHs And definitely would not fucking solicit clients, effectively jeopardizing the case if the nursing home caught wind of this.

Boring garbage character. Show didn't even get good until long after he died.

Jimmy moves out west around 92-93 which is a good 9 years before the start of the show. He might be almost 30 at that point. Continuity wise it would make sense that George Hamlin is much older than Chuck since Howard is around the age of Jimmy.

I soured on Chuck because he never had the nuts to tell Jimmy from the beginning to not study law and had Howard give him shit by proxy. Someone said it on /bcs/ back in the day but Jimmy should've been a business/sales guy.

Like my entire first post anon I could agree with Chuck saying no, it's the underhanded way he said no and shifted the blame to Howard I disagree with. You're also forgetting that Jimmy had been a stellar employee in the mail room and had kept his nose clean for years prior to him achieving his law liscence. I get you empathize with Chuck because your mom likes your crackhead younger brother more, I'm just saying the show shows the failings of both Chuck and Jimmy and you're pretending that Chuck was right about Jimmy all along while pushing Jimmy to fall backwards the minute he had positive momentum.

Jimmy and Chuck were both high IQ achievers, but one lacked social skills and the other moral fortitude, though both were book smart. It's why the seasons with Chuck and there cat and mouse game are the pinnacle of the series, they're both self sabotaging dipshits and both geniuses in their own unique ways. Chucks suicide was his last volley, and was a classic pyrric victory.

Chucks suicide was his last volley, and was a classic pyrric victory.

I think it's more like winning the hearing was a pyrrhic victory for Jimmy, since it led to Chuck's suicide and gave Jimmy a psychological scar until the very end when he voluntarily extends his prison sentence from 7 to 86 years to exonerate Kim and stop running from his behaviour.

Sure brother, totally agree they both fucked themselves. One behind bars, one into the dirt

And I once told you that, yes, Chuck is an insecure, jealous little man that could have dealt with Jimmy in various different ways, but he was also right to not want him near any law jurisdictions.
Season 1 is all the proof you need of this. Lonesome he falls into the same pattern. So I guess in your view Jimmy is a 5yo kid who needs Chuck overseeing him forever so that he wouldn't go scamming again. How nice.

You're also forgetting that Jimmy had been a stellar employee in the mail room

I do not understand why you see this as some evidence of him turning a new leaf. You are treating his scamming as some drug addiction.

see see he is not stealing envelopes to resell at a mark up, he is cured!

No, I really don't see it. I did see season 1, though, and him doing everything in Slippin Jimmy book to get the clients, so why am I supposed to think that if he did get the clients via HHM, he wouldn't bring his mindset there too?
Also, very snarky aspersion there, but I am the only child. Should I assume you are blaming your older brother for not being supportive enough of your autism, resulting in you shitposting on Anon Babble at 2 AM, you know, since we are throwing projections?

Buddy Chuck already nepo hired him into the mailroom of a law office. There was no shortage of opportunity for impropriety. It wasnt about Jimmy's effect on HHM, he could have been in the sterno pool pulling documents and researching and had absolutely no public face. If he was worried about Jimmy's ethics he wouldn't have hired him to handle mail. He would have gotten him a job at staples. But he liked having Jimmy around as chucks own personal reclamation project.
Chuck liked Jimmy as a fashion piece, the fuck up brother Chuck was so magnanimous to save. If Jimmy was a lawyer at HHM Jimmy would instantly have respect. His story of reform would have been more about Jimmy saving himself than Chuck saving him. Chuck didn't want that, you're not part of a great firm anymore, your just a Public defender/ambulance chaser. The integrity of HHM was a convenient mask for Chucks actual goal, to keep jimmy as his geek.

Be he was a plant

You're also forgetting that Jimmy had been a stellar employee in the mail room

I do not understand why you see this as some evidence of him turning a new leaf.

Because the show specifically treats it as that

You are treating his scamming as some drug addiction.

So does the show

He's mean to the protagonist, Jimmy.
And to normies that might as well warrant a death sentence.

Ignore the fact that Jimmy helps build a drug empire. Focus on his feefee's being hurt by his brother.

I was not even remotely implying that Chuck was worried about the firm's reputation. Maybe a bit. But that's not what was on his mind. It's personal resentment coupled with constant visualization of a man he knew for the past 20 years as a moocher scammer who literally had a nickname attributed to him, who would suddenly have the same amount of agency and reach.

Chuck saves Jimmy from becoming a sex offender after he shits through a sun roof

Jimmy promises he'll do better

Jimmy works at Chuck's lawfirm as a mailroom guy

he's likeable

Jimmy passes the bar

Instead of Chuck being impressed he's annoyed and doesn't want Jimmy anywhere near his practice

Chuck later admits that Jimmy got away with everything because of his charm but Chuck had to work for years to get to where he is

Chuck spent his life dedicated to law and becoming a lawyer

Jimmy would only use it to serve himself

Chuck was right but everyone loves Jimmy who eventually becomes Saul

Is Jimmy five years old in your scenario?

Do people stop being affected by other people's behavior after 5 years old? Chuck was the person he loved and admired most in his life, he wanted to change his life for him and make him proud. Chuck was the exact opposite of Jimmy's past, someone who did things inside the lines and was able to hold his head up high about it.

But I guess that person telling him that he wasn't good enough to be a lawyer, wasn't a good human being, and would only ever hurt the people closest to him should be a big deal cause Jimmy's not five years old. Just shrug it off am i right?

continued pulling scams because he didn't want to work in public defense and wait for the clients to come in. The Kettlemans are simply the only ones we see.

He was doing shitty PD work for a year before the show starts, you have absolutely no basis for the claim that he scammed people during that time. In fact, we see him pushed to the absolute limit in the first episode with Jimmy paying all the bills while dealing with Chuck's obvious psychosis and having to refuse Howard's paltry little stipends because if he took them it would set precedent that there wasn't anything wrong.

only returned it because they went full retard and didn't want to return it.

No...he returned it for Kim and because he was trying to do the right thing. Jimmy and Mike have this exact fucking conversation. Twice. The first time absolutely nobody knows that Mike took it, or that he and Jimmy have it, they could have just split it 50/50 and no one would have been the wiser.

The next time he asks Mike again why they didn't just take it and says nothing like that will ever stop him again. When was this? Right after Chuck told him he wasn't a real lawyer, would never be a real lawyer, and was incapable of being a decent human being by his very nature? Ding ding ding.

who literally had a nickname attributed to him

He used to run a business out in the country.

Because the show specifically treats it as that

And season 1 events contradict what you are saying, but of course Jimmy Pity Party New Mexico Division is going to pretend that the only reason he immediately went back to scamming the moment Jimmy went solo is the pure fault of Chuck.

So does the show

Please cite the scene of Vince. Howard calling them sociopaths is literally the opposite of that. I like how you are defending Jimmy by stripping all of the agency from his character, please continue. Was any of the show the result of Jimmy's actions, or does he have no thoughts, and like a mech, is he either piloted by his "addiction" or Chuck living rent-free?

bro, the show literally uses Kim to tell the audience how they should feel.
They don't know that Jimmy BAD until we get a close up of Kim's face where she feels bad and we realize that Jimmy BAD

It's not smart at all

You are, without any irony, sarcasm, or believe it or not offense intended, not smart enough for the show.

Jimmy is not a sociopath, that's a bad reading of the show. There is no other way to explain him torpedoing his entire fucking career in order to help an elderly lady get her friends back other than he actually felt bad about what he did.

Just shrug it off am i right?

Yes, Jimmy Pity Party LLC, stop pretending that his actions are the result of Chuck's resentment echoing in his head endlessly for 5 seasons and BB.
What was echoing in his head before he shat on someone's kids through the roof? Also Chuck? Why was he doing any of it with Marco? Probably something to do with Daddy and his worldview of him being a weaker man because he always followed the rules. The fuck does this have to do with Chuck?

In fact, we see him pushed to the absolute limit

Oh my god, he worked for an entire year and didn't get an invitation from the HHM tier group. Absolute pandemonium, obviously; he's justified in scamming people now. My mistake.
Except the show has an entire flashback scene that, in no uncertain terms, shows that what Jimmy chose was wrong in what he chose back then in season 1.
youtube.com/watch?v=F9t2sgFJlgA&t=52s

No...he returned it for Kim

No, he didn't. Betsy put him in a complete bind. He couldn't both keep the money and make them return to HHM.
Yes, I guess he didn't outright steal 1 million dollars, fucking the pair over completely. Wow, hooray Jimmy, he was willing to accept a smaller amount though, with a bribe. When you steal from a cash register, you don't empty it out. Rule of thumb.

Right after Chuck told him he wasn't a real lawyer, would never be a real lawyer, and was incapable of being a decent human being by his very nature? Ding ding ding.

Again, listen to yourself, pity party folk. You are justifying his scamming the same way Jimmy was justifying it for himself through the entire series.
Indeed, if anyone's brother tells them they are scum and they act like scum, it's the fault of the brother. Not your choosing. Actually, 5-year-old kids.

Smarter than the Sopranos.

Because the show specifically treats it as that

And season 1 events contradict what you are saying

Show me any evidence of impropriety done by Jimmy while working in the mailroom. The only context we get about this time period is that Howard loved him and called him Charlie Hussle, suggesting he was high achieving for his station and that he worked towards getting a law degree and passing the bar.

Please cite the scene of Vince.

I think your asking me to cite a scene where the show treats scamming like a drug addiction, but there littlerally is the entire episode of "Marco" where Jimmy goes to Chicago to backslide into scamming in an effort to soothe his pain from the reveal that Chuck and not Howard was the person keeping him from working as a lawyer for HHM.
As for

I like how you are defending Jimmy by stripping all of the agency from his character

I don't, but I also would admit that Chuck was only there to help Jimmy as long as he could parade Jimmy around like geek of a charity case he was so generous to help. Jimmy had logged years as a stellar employee for Chuck and Howard all while getting his law degree and passing the bar independently of Chuck and Howard. That's what impressed Howard and threatened Chuck. His wrap sheet wasn't enough to keep him from handling a law firms sensative info in the mailroom, but suddenly it's an ethical concern for Chuck? That's cope. Jimmy had done something impressive and it fucked with Chuck deeply.

show about a bunch of retarded mobsters

show about two lawyer brothers

I don't think the sopranos was supposed to be subtle anon

cite the scene where scamming is treated like an addiction

The whole show retard lol

Oh my god, he worked for an entire year and didn't get an invitation from the HHM tier group.

You can tell your losing the argument when you resort to hyperbole like this. There is no way he was able to get a law degree and pass the bar in a single year.

Yes, Jimmy Pity Party LLC, stop pretending that his actions are the result of Chuck's resentment echoing in his head endlessly for 5 seasons and BB.

What was echoing in his head before he shat on someone's kids through the roof? Also Chuck? Why was he doing any of it with Marco? Probably something to do with Daddy and his worldview of him being a weaker man because he always followed the rules. The fuck does this have to do with Chuck?

Why are you bringing up shit from before he made a serious commitment to changing his life. A commitment he made for Chuck, because Chuck saved him and asked him to be better. A commitment that he kept for almost 10 years while he worked in the mail room, put himself through law school, and barely kept his head above water working terrible PD cases, all completely above board. A commitment that only truly begins to unravel after Chuck says what he says at the end of S1.

Oh my god, he worked for an entire year and didn't get an invitation from the HHM tier group. Absolute pandemonium, obviously; he's justified in scamming people now. My mistake.

What the fuck are you talking about? He is literally going bankrupt supporting himself and his brother and he has been for an entire year. Nobody said anything about a fancy law office, he says himself he'd settle for anything above minimum wage.

No, he didn't. Betsy put him in a complete bind. He couldn't both keep the money and make them return to HHM.

And why did he want them to go back to HHM? Come on now Anon...you can do it! K-K-K? Say it with me.

Yes, I guess he didn't outright steal 1 million dollars, fucking the pair over completely. Wow, hooray Jimmy, he was willing to accept a smaller amount though, with a bribe.

Yes, you're more than willing to misinterpret the tiny things from S1 as proof positive he's a rotten apple, but him returning over a million dollars when he didn't have to because he wanted to do the right thing means nothing to you?

Show me any evidence of impropriety done by Jimmy while working in the mailroom.

But Chuck's issue wasn't with him working in the mailroom; it was working as a lawyer. You do realize on some level these are not the same type of jobs, right? My evidence is the entire season of him being a lawyer.
Can you, however, show Jimmy consciously gravitating towards being an ethical lawyer, you know, something that doesn't concern him writing a will.

where Jimmy goes to Chicago to backslide into scamming in an effort to soothe his pain

Except this was him reaffirming what Chuck says and being crestfallen and hurt, bitch. It's a bender montage because they operate from a bar.
He isn't drawn to scamming because it's an addiction but because this is definitively what he is good at.

I don't

You are. It's not his decisions; it's Chuck mind-fucking him. He doesn't hate playing by the rules and sees people as suckers that he could take advantage of to further his gain or amusement; it's an addiction. In your view, Jimmy has no agency; all of his decisions are dictated by external actors.

Based

Again, listen to yourself, pity party folk. You are justifying his scamming the same way Jimmy was justifying it for himself through the entire series.

Indeed, if anyone's brother tells them they are scum and they act like scum, it's the fault of the brother. Not your choosing. Actually, 5-year-old kids.

So to be clear, you're claiming that nobody affects anybody else's emotions, though processes, or actions after that person is 5 years old? It's impossible for someone to make their decisions based off of another person after the age of 5?

Because if that's what you're saying you are clearly arguing in bad faith.

his perfectly above board elder law work doesn't count because.... IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY

And I can tell you have no arguments when you resort to nitpicking one sentence, completely distorting my point addressed in the time machine clip, and then proceeding to ignore everything else.

None then.

him SLIPPING BACK INTO JIMMY SLIPPERINO doesn't count as him not actually revising his way of thinking... because it just doesn't OKAY!?!

Show me any evidence of impropriety done by Jimmy while working in the mailroom.

But Chuck's issue wasn't with him working in the mailroom; it was working as a lawyer.

You're now deflecting instead of citing something Jimmy did wrong as a mail clerk because you can't and it's a solid point.

You do realize on some level these are not the same type of jobs, right?

I will answer because I'm capable of answering a question. I disagree these are not comparable positions in terms of security.
Your brother is a con artist that you put in charge of handling the mail at your law firm. If anything Chuck set him up in one of the easiest jobs to backslide in. He'd have access to endless banking info for the clients. He'll even slacking on the job could cost the firm millions. Which wouldn't have mattered to Chuck anyway because he would have loved the story "I had to put my brother in jail because he stole from my company. Did I ever tell you about how he used to steal from our dad? Oh how heroic I am for giving him a chance".
But Jimmy didn't fuck up in the mailroom. Jimmy excelled. He reformed, but Chuck did not believe in reform, especially when it came to his brother.
A lawyer and a mail clerk have access to vital and sensitive information at a law office. If he was worried about Jimmy's morals he should have never given him a job. Only when Jimmy did something impressice independant of Chuck did Jimmy's past failings become a huge ethical concern. Because it wasn't, it was just a convenient cope for Chuck

and (you)

None then

the entire episode of "Marco" where Jimmy goes to Chicago to backslide into scamming in an effort to soothe his pain from the reveal that Chuck and not Howard was the person keeping him from working as a lawyer for HHM.

Lol coward

A commitment that only truly begins to unravel after Chuck says what he says at the end of S1.

And again, Jimmy Pity Party The EU ignores all the events of season 1, where that commitment didn't even exist.

NOOOOO HE JUST HAD TO SCUM and PULL SHIT AND TAKES BRIBES CAUSE OF STRESS THAT'S NORMAL

He is literally going bankrupt supporting himself and his brother and he has been for an entire year.

What are YOU talking about? All of Chuck's expenses are paid from Chuck's money. Jimmy never had any money to begin with, and the series begins with him trying to cash Chuck out of the firm so that he obviously could ask for a loan of that for his solo practice. The only thing he is wasting is his time. Chuck literally tells him he will pay for himself because Howard was sending checks around to Jimmy.

And why did he want them to go back to HHM?

Honey, he already took the bribe, and Betsy literally tells him because of that bribe he is their lawyer now. So he either returns it or he goes and loses the case with them, and who knows the consequences of that with fruit like Betsy?
Watch the scene, maybe? It's not because of Kim, even if sending them back to HHM was what he wanted since he didn't want to do anything with them anymore.

but him returning over a million dollars when he didn't have to because he wanted to do the right thing means nothing to you?

Yes, stealing a million of government money he wouldn't be able to spend unless laundered—no, I do see this as a new leaf. You know why? The entire season 1 and events again. Again, Jimmy Pity Party pretends that if no one is hurt and nothing is stolen, all is good.

He's not wrong, he's just an asshole.

He's the exact inverse type of asshole that his brother is, but their both assholes

Chucks suck and fuck

You are treating his scamming as some drug addiction.

He's right about that. Every time Jimmy got a clean break he soon went right back to scamming regardless of the risks. Jimmy was mentally ill too, he can't help but scam.

You're now deflecting instead of citing something Jimmy did wrong as a mail clerk because you can't and it's a solid point.

Why would I need a "solid" point about fucking mailroom flashbacks when it's completely negated by Season 1, Episode 1? He didn't change; there was just nothing to scam, nor could he wiggle under Chuck's nose, and he obviously didn't get the lawyer idea in the last year of being there. And most importantly, why the fuck would he? I literally do not subscribe to your retarded notion that Jimmy is addicted to scamming. This is something he decided on his own; this is how he confronts adversity. What adversity was there in the mailroom? It's a completely moot point.

He'd have access to endless banking info for the clients. He'll even slacking on the job could cost the firm millions.

You are literally headcanoning pure autism at this point. Do you realize I never once pretended that Jimmy would be malicious towards Chuck? Why would he do any of that? I'm a bit perplexed; you are acting like Jimmy is a termite and is compelled to do what he does. It's a character trait, not an obsessive craving

He reformed

No, he didn't. Proved by season 1. He is given autonomy, opportunity, and the need to bend the rules, and he does.

If he was worried about Jimmy's morals he should have never given him a job.

And he was worried. In the Chicanery, he literally says he regrets letting him in, and the show clearly implies that Jimmy working for him to avoid the sentence was his mother's idea as the last Hail Mary.
We are talking in circles, and you are trying to pretend that 3 mailroom flashbacks of him not setting the entire HHM on fire are proof of his growth of the character completely negated somehow by Chuck by not giving him a position in HHM. Which is your cope, Jimmy praying circle. Although I don't even understand what do you like about character that removed all agency from.

Envy is a sin. Chuck would be an incel if he was born in 2000, hating his brother for being a "Chad" while he creates this imaginary set of rules that make him a "good guy" and dehumanize his brother.

It's not an addiction. Manipulation and skulduggery are just what he clearly sees as him excelling at. He very ruefully relies on this and is clearly prideful of it to some degree. And he resents when people point it out, as if they are better than him.
He is not having a sweet tooth for scumming. Character traits are not addiction. Like legit reddit arguments about alter ego tier.
It's like saying Walter was addicted to chemistry when it was just his last prideful linchpin that his entire life and ego hung upon. Until it ballooned.

Have crippling retardation

Insult and dismiss devoted caregiver

He was vindictive, not exactly wrong but you are supposed to uplift your own family if you can. Everyone in my family has been a dirt bag at times but if your own brother puts himself through law school you can at least lend a hand to help get him through a door.

So far from you

Chuck shouldn't hire Jimmy as a lawyer for ethical concerns

But it's cool for him to work in the mail room because large law firms don't have sensitive information in their mail

And it doesn't matter anyway if Chuck gave him a job because when he didn't give Jimmy a job he became a criminal

Jimmy's scamming isn't an allegory to addiction even though anons have cited entire episodes about that theme

Jimmy hadn't reformed before chucks decision because years later he backslid

Jesus christ did you even watch

he wanted to keep Jimmy, his own flesh and blood, as a wagie slave cuck

Saul a chad

KWAB

Jimmy was mentally ill too, he can't help but scam.

Makes me think of Ginny Sac from the Sopranos, the obese wife who gets made fun of for being fat.

Her husband gets offended because he thinks she works hard at dieting to lose weight, so it's unfair and wrong to insult her, but then he discovers she was cheating on her diet and stuffing herself with junk food all along.

Did Jimmy have control over his actions and is he responsible for his behaviour? Yes. Maybe addiction isn't the perfect analogy but it does seem like a kind of mental illness, false beliefs rationalised and acted out that only harm him.

Same with Ginny. Assuming she really did want to be thin, then her rationalisations to keep eating, don't know if that's an addiction to sugar, but it is counterproductive behavior. And maybe for this reason a kind of mental illness. False beliefs that are enacted that only harm her in the long run.

I actually dislike The Sopranos and how it portrays feminine obesity... it seems quite lazy how they really did just make her an obese glutton instead of really dieting. It's realistic to have such a pattern of behavior, but it's also realistic to actually diet and still struggle to lose weight. They made her a pathetic cardboard cutout of a woman. Would have been more interesting if for instance she had been happy with her figure and flaunted it, or even if she found out about the joke, told her husband not to worry so much... not that Ralph didn't deserve to die for his fatphobia...

Chuck shouldn't hire Jimmy as a lawyer for ethical concerns

And personal one, since this isn't some guy who he just happens to know iss a conartist.

But it's cool for him to work in the mail room because large law firms don't have sensitive information in their mail

Headcanoning again. Never once I implied Jimmy is a malicious or literally cannot control himself, you seem to be refusing to read some of my points. Since you keep readressing things I have already responded to.

And it doesn't matter anyway if Chuck gave him a job because when he didn't give Jimmy a job he became a criminal

Some word salad, I'm not sure what you are even referring to.

Jimmy's scamming isn't an allegory to addiction even though anons have cited entire episodes about that theme

It isn't. I already wrote several parallels why it's an autistic interpretation that makes no sense. I mean even if I were to entertain this as an addiction, as you say, why are you then pretending that your mailroom argument has any sense if it is an addiction? He clearly didn't "beat" it. There was just nothing to enable it then? No? How do this two points exist in your mind? He can just selectivly choose to not be an addict?

Jimmy hadn't reformed before chucks decision because years later he backslid

Yes? And it has nothing to do with Chuck. In bizarre version of the show and Jimmy character the only way he wouldn't backlsid if Chuck put him on a 24/7 surveillance and a leash so tight he wouldn't be able to file a thing without him knowing, you know since he is simultaneously and addict but somehow wouldn't backslid if he got that HHM gig.

Yeah I do also wonder what did you watch too, since the titular character's thought and decision making are not his own, they are imposed on him by a tulpa in a form of Chuck. Apperantly almost every aspect of his personality is just trauma from Chuck being mean to him and his explicable addiction choosing the easy way.

N-no I don't m-mean

You do.

He's a proto incel

Holy reddit.

Coming from you, that means a lot.

Like what does he even do that's bad?

He was right.

Jimmybros, I have to go, very eepy in my space blanket. Bump this shitshow for 10 hours by reafirming that nothing Jimmy did past season two was due to his own agency as a character. I'll be back.

See ya space cowboy.

Slippin Jimmy did nothing wrong and its not his fault ice is slippery.

It was the boring parts of the series and we wanted to get back to cartel shiet, pretty much this

he was 47 in breaking bad, so him being late 30s or so in BCS would make sense.