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Save? The movies still make a shit load of dough. It doesn't need saving.

That doesn't mean they are good

NTA but they'd all be sitting around wheezing. Apparently back when the dinosaurs were around there was 50% more oxygen. Now drop them in our world now. Try breathing with only one lung. Try chasing prey with one lung

Also oxygen levels

The frogs they used to fill the DNA gaps don't have a problem with the current oxygen level.

they'd all be sitting around wheezing.

so it's a comedy then. imagine a t rex wheezing while trying to catch a mouse kek

Current day frogs != Dinosaurs from millions of years ago, but ok

I just got done reading this last night. Ama

Hammonds death was very anticlimactic

out walking

scared by his grandkids playing trex noises over the park pa system

breaks ankle

eaten by compys

I think it was a compy. Only one baby death

Later in the jurassic park nursery Grant throws a baby raptor at them that the other raptors eat

That's what made it great. He doesn't die getting eaten by a rex or a raptor. He dies because of his own fear. Besides, raptors getting blasted with rocket launchers makes up for it

How come there are no other movies about dinosaurs? Why is it only Jurassic park? They are fucking dinosaurs, not some copyrighted shit. Would the effects cost too much or what? They are pissing away money anyway at least make some good movies for fuck's sake.

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What was the worst part of the book and why was it the little girl?

Dinosaurs are just lame now

about to see dinosaurs

Nah, fuck that. Let's play catch with a baseball

starts talking like a 50 year old boomer

throw me the old hot pickle, right in me mitt buddy.

We don't care about good any more. Only money!

Carnosaur and The Land Before Time series exist

Well that's kind of the crux of the whole thing anon

Yeah I last read it during the Clinton administration when I was in high school. I think my brain bigged it up because my mother made a big deal of the dinos eating babies

There were a slew of low rent dino movies that came in the wake of JPs success, but they were so low rent they aren't worth remembering

Also

You don't have a lot of options

People remake dinosaurs

Then it's just JP

Time machine to dinosaurs

You can build a time machine but can't take down a big lizard

Find island with dinosaurs

Would have made sense in maybe the early 90s at the latest, now it's just a king Kong remake

If you saw the movie first then read the book I can see how that scene would come off as more horrific and leave a impression.

They're was also the girl on the beach bitten by compys that they played at the start of lost world

Imo
Book = horror, lite sci-fi
Movie = action adventure

Save from what? The last movie grossed a billion dollars

It isn't. You're comparing splicing DNA to biological capabilities of what that DNA creates. Just because I could splice some of my DNA with a banana doesn't mean I could survive hanging from a banana plant

Anon you're a pseud. You're picking apart the "frog DNA wouldn't help with dino lungs oxygen levels" while completely accepting "Frog DNA could fill in all the gaps in ancient DNA".

Frog DNA could fill in all the gaps in ancient DNA

If dinos existed we probably could fill in some gaps of their DNA with a modern day chicken. Don't know about frog. That wasn't what I was defending but whatever

meanwhile Spielberg

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Yeah. I remember in the book they see some of the bigger dinosaurs just standing there wheezing because they can't barely inhale the amount of oxygen their lungs need

That’s a bit of a hole in itself. Amphibians like frogs absorb a lot of oxygen through their skin, but only when it’s damp. It’s part of what forces them to remain amphibious

give to Cameron

makes it and avatar prequel film

?????

$$$$

They just need to revert back to a slow burn science fiction horror film instead of a fantasy sciencey action flick

That was mentioned in the book.

Chrichton was brilliant and I’m not going to criticize but if he wrote it today with our current understanding he’d probably have chosen chicken DNA instead of frog DNA. It makes more sense

I want an animated adaptation of pic related

jurassic park - good

sphere - good

Currently reading timeline and its good thus far. I can see why crichtons stuff got adapted into movies.

Shame Cameron didn't get to do jurassic park but the original is still really good and the soundtrack is excellent

What was the workaround I the book
Yeah I saw the movie when it came out and then read the book a few years later in HS
TY non insane anon

See You stole my IP

Chickens can’t change their sex. Filling in with seahorse or clown fish DNA would make way more sense.

I think the implication is that Lex idolised her father to the point of copying his mannerisms without understanding them, whilst Tim disliked his father.

Which, given the impending divorce, might mean that this trip would have been the sibling's last together before each went to live separately with the parent they got on with.

Book Lex was effectively written out of the film. The Kids in the film each represent separate aspects of Book-Tim.

The next logical step for this series is putting the dinosaurs in space

We got this lame tv-show, Terra Nova.

a pretty neat time travel plot with dinosaurs

focus on teenagers and their high-school level drama

The parthenogenesis bit just becomes an unexpected feature of the dino DNA instead. If I wanted to engineer an extinct species I’d use the closest living relative I could find. I’d not splice pig DNA with mammoth DNA for example, I’d use an elephant

Timeline is one of my favorite Crichton books. It's a shame the film adaptation was such dog shit.

Why does it need "saving" the only really bad film was JP2. The rest are at least a fun watch.

Every time someone suggests 'fixing something' all they come up with is stopping it, so there isn't even a chance of new kino (because that worked so well with Indiana Jones, right?) and then restarting it set in some time period that reminds boomers of their childhood, just to pander to them.

why can't this thing that's adequate just be adequate. It's good enough

You sound Chinese. It could be better. OP's idea is for better movies. You should want things to be better, not just carry water for slop.

JP2 was great though. JP1 and JP3 were bad. So it needs saving.

you now remember the main plot of the book using nerve gas to eradicate the wild raptors and the park shitting itself is more of a detour on the way to enacting Total Raptor Death

How come there are no other movies about dinosaurs? Why is it only Jurassic park? They are fucking dinosaurs, not some copyrighted shit.

Because hollywood suits think there's only one dinosaur franchise.

We can't make a movie about this setting with dinosaurs; it would be compared to the Jurassic World series!

We need faithful 10-episode adaptation of Eaters of the Dead.

here's this cool concept

but we have to make it gay and retarded because it's a tv show on a tv show budget

idk how you could expect it to be good

What was the Haunted House one? That shit was dope. If it spent the whole movie being about dinos in a haunted house it could have been kino.

Now all they have is dinos in space

Sea quest dsv and earth 2 come to mind

Now all they have is dinos in space

desu I would watch a movie set on the Venus of old sci-fi stories where it rains all the time and the planet is full of swamps and jungles crawling with dinosaurs and other giant creatures.

James Cameron revealed in 2012 that he had tried to purchase the rights, only to discover that Spielberg had acquired them a few hours prior. Cameron said his version of Jurassic Park would have been "much nastier", comparing it with his 1986 film Aliens. He realized he was not the right director for Jurassic Park after seeing the finished product, commending Spielberg for making a film which could be enjoyed by children.

It was a brutal and ignominious death that could’ve been easily prevented. It was perfect, not anticlimactic.

I'd like to see an alternate history where Jurassic Park succeeded and it's just the problems the park faces. No major breakout, just life in the park.
The real problem with this franchise is it has no other plots besides "dinosaurs break out", "island with wild dinosaurs", and "evil company wants to weaponize dinosaurs like Weyland Yutani".

Something the movie kind of missed is that Jurassic Park in the book is the most half-assed, nigger-rigged place on earth. It isn't this really nice, fancy park like the movie shows. They cut corners everywhere, there's bars haphazardly welded over windows to keep animals out, spray painted signs, construction materials lying around all over the place, the buildings are half-finished, there's a million issues even before Nedry fucks them. It's clear they don't have the slightest fucking clue what they're doing out there.

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Chaos theory

He talks about birds being descended from dinosaurs in the book, it isn’t new info. Also, frog DNA was in the movie to explain the sex changing. In the book something like dna from various sources is mentioned.

Go on

That movie would be too based I fear

You niggas arguing about this dumbshit and the semantics of that shit meanwhile the dna of the toad made the all female population of dinosaurs change because if there are little to no males in that toads ecosystem some of the females will become male to reproduce and keep the species alive.
Like what you guys are arguing over the little shit

Are there passages that would back this up? The primary Hammond quote is quite literally “we spared no expense”.

How to save the JP movie series.

stop making JP movies, it was a solid one-and-done concept; not everything needs to be a series

This is a myth. Dinosaurs were around for 165 million years, oxygen levels varied from higher than current levels to lower.

When you realize the raptor ending in the video game was actually from the book.

I don't have my copy handy but I'm pretty sure it's stated that the park is like a year away from opening. The upscale restaurant hadn't even been built yet. The reason Grant et al are there so early is because the lawyers are spooked by so many worker deaths.

The big dinosaurs, both in history and in the JP universe, are from the span of time O2 levels were higher.

Imo

Book = horror, lite sci-fi

Movie = action adventure

You also need to remember that the book and the movie were targeting different age groups. Many kids were legit traumatized by the original JP and the T-Rex when it came out. Gareth Edwards the director of the upcoming Rebirth, was one of those traumatized children and has said he considers it a lowkey horror film. Ryan Coogler said almost exactly the same in an interview he gave to Deadline when Sinners released last month.
JP movie is PG-13 kids horror; JP book is R rated horror for adults.

Although I feel like if fate hadn't intervened and let a storm destroy the set when they needed to shoot Samuel L. Jackson's death scene that we wouldn't even be having this debate at all.

bring back the more grounded scientific elements

It never left the series

That's the joke. Hammond was underpaying Nedry, and the entire reason why the park was automated was to cut down on staff salaries.

The park wasn't even finished during the time the story is set, there was still work that needed to be done. You're right that some stuff was haphazardly but was less a result of cutting corners and more a result of not really knowing what they were working with
In the book or in the movie?

The movie does Nedry dirty to an extent. He has legitimate reasons for being pissed off at Hammond in the book because was hired for a job that turned into something orders of magnitude larger and more complex than what he was initially told. Think of a contractor being hired to build a house and then told that he has to build a football stadium instead or else the powerful client will sue you into oblivion.

In the book or in the movie?

Nedry was being underpaid in both, the automation is never brought up fully in the movie but it's likely the same reason.

Test

In the book his primary job was to establish a database for genetic code which turn also turned into automation. In the movie his role is just automation, granted it was automation of the entire park.

Big dinosaurs lived throughout. Most of the dinosaurs in JP were from the Cretaceous, oxygen levels were on average slightly lower than today. This is a myth that is often repeated, and is based on the giant insects prior to the dinosaurs in the Carboniferous who did likely reach their size due mostly to high oxygen, due to how insects respirate. Dinosaurs emerged in the Triassic when oxygen levels dropped dramatically, as low as 15% compared to the 22% of today. Some theories in fact credit their success to the development of complicated respiratory systems in the low oxygen environment.

So is rebirth a reboot or a sequel or what?
Last one I saw was the first jurassic world

It would be nice for an adaptation that's closer to the novel. I read the book after I saw the movie and was surprised at how dark and twisted the original was. There's a sub-plot of dinosaurs escaping the island and settling in Central America.

The Lost World sequel has some pretty disturbing moments like raptors fighting over the carcass of a dude they just killed or Dodgson being fed to baby T-Rexes ala Hopper from A Bug's Life.

A sequel, there are 3 islands now

Island Nublar where the first and third movie are set. Had a park and research facility

Island Sona, just a research facility and where Dinosaurs were allowed to roam free

Island where Rebirth is set, was the original research facility where they ran various test until they figured out how to clone Dinosaurs right

Chrichton was based

Survival of the fittest

There's no saving it. It had it's day. I mean I don't give a shit I've seen all of them and the jurassic movies were obviously far worse and I will watch the new one, but the whole point is the very first movie. That's it. That's just the way it is.

Because the first JP was so good and groundbreaking for pop culture that nothing could compete without it coming off as some cheap cash grab knockoff. Same with star wars and indiana jones.

if you got scared by the t rex while watching JP and not fascinated by the animal, you deserved the elementary school bullying you received.

To be fair, the Carnosaur novel was written years before Jurassic Park. It's too bad it didn't get a movie adaptation until after JP's movie.

He's so fucking right.

I fucking hate how globalization creates homogenization of cultures and peoples.

Hilariously wrong. We've made more progress in the past 10 years than in the previous 100. Maybe if you live in a third world country like the US it doesn't seem that way, but in an advanced nation like Singapore there's a new scientific discovery every week.

Behold the future Overmen.

Hammond deserved it. I hate how the films made him the kindly old grandpa

This is Reddit tier armchair scientist bullshit. There are just as many studies claiming the opposite. We had no idea what it was like back then, but because the flora and fauna were so different it definitely implies environmental differences compared to today. The dinos would die today, anything else is coping

You niggas arguing about this dumbshit and the semantics of that shit

This is Reddit tier armchair scientist bullshit

proceeds to pull bullshit out of his ass and present it as gospel

It's Richard Attenborough. Spielberg couldn't help but make him a whimsical visionary instead of the greedy short-sighted asshole in the book.

I really want a remake but as a 5-6 episode mini-series that faithfully adapts the novel. Like the early chapters where a baby gets eaten by compys or how a worker is lacerated to pieces and the doctor hears the word "raptor". Later, the doctor looks up raptor and finds out it means "bird of prey".

The entire "Nedry steals the embryos for another company corporate espionage" storyline would've been kino if he succeeded and didn't destroy the entire park.

Basically all his science fiction books are good. keep going

Spielberg couldn't help but make him a whimsical visionary instead of the greedy short-sighted asshole in the book.

True but did they rewrite the entire character once Richard Attenborough got the role or did Spielberg always want his Hammond to be a whimsical visionary?

You'd watch a movie where a JP janny has to clean up dinosaur shit? I mean a short video about "day to day operations at JP" could be neat, but not a whole movie.

We can’t know for sure due to lack of evidence, therefore the absurd claim based on a faulty premise I made is correct and you pointing out the lack of evidence for the premise is incorrect.

Whew.

Should I read The Lost World? Started it recently, but the first 20 or so pages consisted exclusively of Crichton wanking of his favourite character. Does it get better? I enjoyed JP.

All Crichton books are worth reading, but he did hate sequels and only wrote it due to absurd levels of pressure after the success of JP.

Ok so you're admitting that environmental factors affect the growth of wildlife. Do you actually believe Earth was similar millions of years ago compared to what it is today? There were probably fucking plants that provided you with 200g of protein per bite. We don't know shit and neither do the "scientists".

Are you esl? Too weird of writing style for me to understand

I’m not saying I know anything at all but certain inferences can be made based on the evidence we have. I’m inclined to believe any dinosaurs would die from hay fever and pollen allergies as flowering plants evolved after they died but I wouldn’t presume to present that supposition as fact

It has a really cool scene near the end with chameleon dinosaurs. Worth it for that alone, imo.

That's actually another good example. Didn't even know that either. They probably would be wheezing.

I can’t understand English, therefore I am correct.

Your arguing skills keep getting better.

The franchise makes stupid money. You’re a fool.

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It's the dinosaur equivalent of being eaten alive by rats. Tiny animals, so pathetic that you would just bat them off if one came at you, but despite Hammond basically being the god creator of Jurassic Park and all the dinosaurs within, despite being present at the hatching of most of the Dinos (he claims this in the film, I can't remember if he did in the book too) so they would imprint on him as if he were their mother, they just swarm him as soon as he shows a sign of weakness.

The weakest of the dinosaurs are banding together to kill their God. Not because he is a cunt (and book Hammond really is a cunt, not the tragic Santa of the film) but because he is simply there. They don't care he's God, he's just there and edible.

Ok, sounds good, I'll power through the wankery.

Angiosperms developed in the Carboniferous period before dinosaurs, and exploded into the dominant form of plant life in the Cretaceous.

Heh cool, colour me wrong. The only thing I’m ever certain of is that I don’t know very much at all. I learned something new today; I somehow thought it was after the KT event

They have a solid gold geothermal turbine on Isla Sorna in the Lost World book. Ostensibly because it wouldn't corrode in the harsh conditions, but we know the real reason.
SPARED.
NO.
EXPENSE.

Just have them encounter a race of dinos that naturally survived the meteor strike and evolved gills for better air intake

Dinosaurs had ultra efficient respiration and would easily adapt to modern times

My favorite is the scene in the book where they hide from the T-Rex behind a waterfall, and the T-Rex uses his tongue like some sort of alien worm appendage to slither around and try to find them.

Dinosaurs were the real inventors of the Wim Hof breathing method

There's that dinosaurs in vietnam movie, primitive war

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Studies indicate you’re wrong and I’m right, always.

Plot-wise it's pretty good and has some kino scenes but it's very different from the movie.

Malcolm's foil-slash-reluctant-ally in the book, Levine, is entirely absent from the movie and has no real equivalent

There are 2 stowaway kids in the book, not related to Malcolm (they help Levine at school), a white girl and a nerdy black kid, they sorta combined them in the movie

Instead of InGen hunters trying to capture dinosaurs, it's Dodgson and his cronies trying to steal eggs to pick up where they left off in the JP novel. Hilarity ensues.

Eddie Carr in the movie is a combo of a character in the book by the same name and a non-movie character named Dr. Thorne

There's no Nick Van Owen or anyone like him in the book

In terms of the writing, I think it's really weird. Like, there are multiple times where a character is on the verge of having some kind of revelation or realizing something important and get cut off mid-thought and it's never resolved or explained.

Looks kino, gonna see it

More complicated than that, but it's for the same reasons Ostriches can sprint for far longer than any mammalian pursuit predator

That actually makes me think about the general stamina of big theropods like T-rex vs their prey. Did they wear out their prey over time (kind of like wolves) or try to ambush them? I think the general consensus now is that T-rex was nowhere near as fast as portrayed in JP but they seem too big to be ambush predators like tigers or lions.

Their prey were often also huge and slow moving. I could see a t-rex biding his time at the edge of a forest grove patiently waiting until something got within range

Jurassic Park killed the in-development Dinosaurs Attack movie. They should get that up and running again.

I think it's done intentionally to let you draw your own conclusions. Crichton just gives his pro and con takes through two scientists arguing throughout

back when the dinosaurs were around there was 50% more oxygen.

total bullshit

Yeah, they had a respiratory system with unidirectional airflow. Air enters the respiratory system and passes through a one-way circuit after passing the trachea, always moving in one direction before exiting. This is much more efficient at extracting oxygen than mammalian lungs, which have tidal airflow.

Modern birds, which are dinosaurs, and crocodiles both have unidirectional airflow. In crocodiles, more efficient breathing benefits their aquatic lifestyle. In birds, it helps support the high metabolism required for flying. Birds, and many lineages of dinosaurs, also have a feature called post-cranial pneumaticity, i.e., spaces within the skeleton for air sacs that function as bellows for unidirectional airflow, while also lightening the skeleton. In birds, this aids in flight, while in large dinosaurs, such as sauropods, it helps lighten the load of their skeletons, allowing them to grow to such massive sizes. Even today, birds still have the best breathing systems of all vertebrates, which is why coal miners used to bring canaries into the mine, because when there was a poisonous gas leak, the bird's lungs would be extra efficient and thus extra sensitive, and they would die earlier.
Unidirectional airflow is probably ancestral in archosaurs, since birds, crocodiles and dinosaurs had it. One theory is that it was selected for during the Early Triassic due to low atmospheric oxygen trends (hypoxia) after the end-Permian mass extinction event, when extra-efficient airflow would have given them a selective advantage over synapsids (our ancestors) who had tidal lungs.

So dinosaurs would actually have more efficient breathing than humans.

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TLW is the most contractually obligated novel of all time. I usually find any old shit by Crichton pretty good but it's very hard to recommend that one.

As far as fucking bears are concerned? I say get rid of them all. They had their turn, and now we got ours. That's why dinosaurs don't exist no more.

Different styles. Judging by the long legged proportions and shock absorbent toes, the Tyrannosaurus was probably primarily an ambush predator, but failing that, had aformentined specialized adaptations for long distance endurance predation. Carcharodontosaurs had better short distance sprinting leg proportions, for comparison.

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You are a retard. It's very possible to geochemically estimate atmospheric oxygen levels via multiple indirect methods, including analysing the ratios of carbon isotopes in rocks, studying the oxidation state of iron in rocks, and examining the chemical composition of fossilised materials like charcoal. One classic example is that we can use the banded iron formations of the Precambrian, which are deposits of oxidised ferric iron oxide produced when dramatic spikes of oxygen in the ocean oxidised ferrous iron in mineral deposits, to estimate when the oceans were first oxygenated - during the Great Oxygenation Event about 2.5 billion years ago. This coincides with the evolution of photosynthetic cyanobacteria, which were the first - and most likely only - microorganisms to evolve photosynthesis, which is an oxygen-producing process. Before that, the planet's atmosphere was very oxygen-poor. Cyanobacteria were eventually absorbed into anaerobic eukaryotic cells in a process called endosymbiosis, where they became chloroplasts, and the eukaryotes were now able to photosynthesise, the earliest plant cells.

Nah, there weren’t any contracts involved. Crichton was pressured into it somewhat by the fans and Spielberg, but he ended up writing what he wanted to write. He didn’t like the concept of sequels and the book suffers for that, but it’s still pretty good.

Nta and that’s all well and good but at 50% oxygen things made out of wood start to spontaneously combust

The ancestors of angiosperms appear to have split from gymnosperms in the Late Devonian/Early Carboniferous, according to molecular genetic analysis. This would have been a relatively short evolutionary time after the emergence of embryophytes (land plants). But it is definitely the case that there is a huge fossil gap for the next 200 million years or so, and we don't know much about angiosperm evolution until they proliferate and diversify in the Early Cretaceous, seemingly out of nowhere. This is also when flowering plants developed their close relationship with insects, and thus also began producing specialised pollen. Before this, pollen was essentially just specialised spores. This apparent sudden appearance - what Darwin calls the 'abominable mystery' - is still not adequately explained. It's most likely due to a combination of large scale ecological changes in the Jurassic and Cretaceous, the mutualistic relationship with insects, and the sudden reduction of angiosperm genome size, which seems to have facilitated quick reproduction. By the Cenozoic, angiosperms dominated.

I think the biggest threat to a dinosaur attempting to grow in the modern world is microorganisms - potentially lethal viruses or bacteria it has zero immunity too, yes, but also a total lack of any available gut flora, as all those symbiotic bacteria would have disappeared with the dinosaurs, with mammals cultivating totally new ones. A large animal isn't just a single organism - it's a holobiont, and often relies on an assemblage of symbiotic microorganisms that are impossible to learn about from the fossil record. Also, both modern birds and reptiles play host to loads of diseases they have spent millions of years developing immunities too. Dinosaurs would probably be very vulnerable to those.

Are you implying dinosaurs can’t exist in an environment where wood doesn’t spontaneously combust?

lmfao... is that a Mars Attacks! trading card.

these are edgy by TODAYs standars... imagine being a kid in the 1950s and trading these with your friends... bet your parents would FREAK

reaching blindly down to touch the ragged edge of his shirt, and then a thick, slippery mass that was surprisingly warm, and with horror he suddenly knew he was holding his own intestines in his hands

That line has always stuck with me. Especially the "surprisingly warm" description. Such a visceral mental image.

I’m saying it’s part of a self-regulating cycle where the maximum level of oxygen in the atmosphere is related to the amount of biomass generating that oxygen. Forest fires and what have you. Maybe I’m wrong and giant algal blooms can push levels that high but it’d suck pretty hard to live on land with everything on fire all the time

It was never 50% oxygen. It's currently at 21%, the highest point in prehistory was during the Mid to Late Carboniferous (about 325-300 mya), when it reached 35%. This was the first time the land had seen huge assemblages of terrestrial plant ecosystems, the Carboniferous swamp forests, and the first time vascular plants grew to huge sizes (earliest trees). These swamp forests pumped out huge amounts of oxygen directly into the atmosphere, while absorbing lots of carbon dioxide. They also stored huge amounts of carbon in the decaying plant matter of the forest, which eventually decomposed down and was buried as peat. This carbon sink effect also contributed to oxygen's greater atmospheric share. Over millions of years, that peat was buried deeper and deeper by new sediments, and was subject to great pressure and heat, eventually forming into coal. The coalfields that fuelled the industrial revolution in Britain and America are all Carboniferous in age. Hence the name - Carbon-iferous - the Age of Coal.
These forests were, yes, very flammable.