pupil of Aüle the Smith, obsessed with techmology and craftsmanship, wants everything to be organised and in perfect order
sees Morgoth, literally the personification of evil, who created the original discord and wants to corrupt and destroy everything
”Now this is an ideology I can get behind!”
Was he retarded?
Sauron was a Starscream. He obviously had different goals to Morgoth and didn't want to serve him, but working for him was a prerequisite to usurping his position as Dark Lord. That's why he jobs so much in the First Age, he needs Morgoth to lose and needs to seem uncommitted enough to put up the whole "I repent and totally won't do evil again" act when the Valar turn up to thwack Morgoth's ass. Once Morgoth is gone and Sauron is his own boss he takes the gloves off and proves he's far better at the whole evil thing than Morgoth ever was. Remember that God never had to intervene directly for Morgoth to be thwarted while God had to intervene directly TWICE to stop Sauron's plans (sucking the Numenoreans into the ocean and pushing Gollum off a ledge into the Cracks of Doom just before the Nazgul got to him).
I'll tell you one thing and I'm not ashamed to say it, my estimation of Morgoth as a Valar just fuckin' plummeted. To cry like a woman for your balrogs to save you? It's a fuckin' disgrace!
Remember that God never had to intervene directly for Morgoth to be thwarted while God had to intervene directly TWICE to stop Sauron's plans (sucking the Numenoreans into the ocean and pushing Gollum off a ledge into the Cracks of Doom just before the Nazgul got to him).
This is why I can't take LOTR seriously.
He's obsessed with his definition of Order, which is beyond autistic and completely unreachable under the Valar, so he saw a chance to get closer to his goal with tard rage Morgoth and probably would have betrayed him as soon as he figured out a foolproof plan.
It's why he doesn't really give a shit about Morgoth getting voided for eternity and promptly took up the now vacant dark lord job
Does this mean that if Gollum hadn't turned up and stolen the Ring God would have pushed *Frodo* into the lava instead?
God didn't push gollum into mt doom.
Frodo made gollum swear on the ring that he would never try take the ring again on pain of dying in the mountain.
The oath had real power because it was sworn on the ring.
So in the end evil was it's own undoing
The oath was part of it but it was also literal divine intervention - Frodo and Gollum came to the destined point and God finished the job.
Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'.
more shota boy elves please
Yes.
There’s strong evidence that Eru isn’t actually God. The Valar were created by the actual God, the Christian God, and He left behind the flame imperishable. Eru woke up first and took it. Melkor woke up next and got the earliest glimpse of the truth of Eru. Melkor went to work on fucking up Eru’s creation because Melkor was loyal to the actual God and served as a Jesus figure in the story. He did everything he could to show the false God Eru for what he was and died in the process. Sauron however succeeded in showing Eru’s power is in fact limited. He’s not a true God. He just never took into account absolutely no one would care because the Elves, the Maiar, and the other Valar profited and flourished from the deception.
Be omnipotent, omnipresent God
Make Sauron autistic so he can't be happy following the plan and then directly bully him when he gets too close to winning
What did Eru mean by this?
This sounds like it would be the basis of a Russian fanfiction written in the 80s or 2000s that has been translated into every language except English.
why? is that common in russia?
Yeah. Lord of the Rings is really popular in Russia and there's lots of Russian fanfiction/derivative works. It's common for Russian fans and Tolkien scholars to reimagine or reinterpret the fundamental conflicts and themes in the books though such as the idea that history is written by the victors (as in The Last Ringbearer), or by contrasting the humanism and materialism of evil characters against the Valar's divine plan and determinism, etc. It's probably got something to do with their Soviet history.
That's because it's the black book of arda and you know damn well it exists.
The last ringbearer exists only in russian as well and claims that Mordor was actually a nation on scholars and scientists and lotr is a biased Gondorian retelling of history. Russians are weird like that
Actually its perfectly natural for Russians to identify with orcs
an ontologically evil nation claiming it's just misunderstood likes to write about ontologically evil fantasy race pretending they're just misunderstood
This vexes me.
you know damn well it exists
Orcs are an evil rape horde from the east, blindly devoted to their evil master. Every so often they spill forth from their filthy strongholds to attack 'the men of the west'
T-t-they are just misunderstood blyat
Makes sense lol
Morgoth was just a Big Guy wrecking shit. Sauron was a manipulative snake, so he needed to make Morgoth deal tons of basic damage then make use of the chaos left in his wake to slither himself into Middle-Earth. Sauron gets off on corruption and manipulation, it's a different dynamic.
Kek. This sequence is so exploitable.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME BALROGS
I rather prefer Melkor to be the OT Yahweh, and Eru the Trinity in the NT.
Morgoth
gets fucked by spiders
Sauron
fucks the spider(goth lady)
SauronGODS keep winning.
Christopher, my son, did I ever tell you the full story of Shelob? You know, the monstrous spider - descended from the vile Ungoliant! - which I used to read aloud of in our Oxford meetings of the Inklings? Well what I didn't mention back then was Shelob could also transform into a totally hot babe: all pale and dark and wan like Rebecca in lvanhoe or what will later come to be known as the goth subculture. In fact she looked very much like the pornographic actress Stoya who will be born 13 years after I die. Christopher, I will be entrusting you with my estate. If there is ever a videogame adaptation of my work you must make sure they get this Shelob right - make sure she is what the Anglo-Saxons would have called a hæða ecge, a real sexy bitch.
Sauron was autistic. It’s like how autists latch on to nazism in their youth after being rejected by everyone for being a fucking freak of nature. That’s basically what happened with Sauron.
Morgoth was a literal discord tranny
Kek
all of that order and perfecting the world shit
gets stuck with orcs in the end
He had a rough life
After bottling up his hatred and contempt for his orcish minions for millennia he was definitely going to unleash the mother of all holocausts upon them as soon as the realms of men were enslaved.
It's like when someone is a perfectionist but all they really do is procrastinate and then one day they just find themselves surrounded by cumsocks and pissbottles.
sauron got his ass kicked by a dog though
I have come dislike Tolkien. He seems ever more alien to me. Aping the myths of Old Europe and Germania. Merely imitating the Volksgemeinschaft. He was born in Africa. He did not hear the Call of Wotan. He was a semitophile.
This is not a European. It’s an Anglo.
His myths are bizarre and strange very alien to the Germanic soul.
Normies love LOTR because it is slop.
Read the real myths.
Wow, Sauron truly is literally me!
SO GIVE ME REASON
TO PROVE ME WRONG
TO WASH THIS MEMORY CLEAN
Except Sauron could easily pull Galadriel tier women whereas you just sit in your goon cave.
lmfao
Excuse me anon, but Sauron is IncelCoded now so you're wrong on that front too!
Just (you) wait. Soon enough I will Sauronmaxxx and wreck havoc upon this Earth! But first I do have to go masturbate and drink my hot cocoa.
He had a rough life
He brought it upon himself.
Shut up you gnostic retard, Tolkien was a Catholic.
Sauron is the only being that actually provides men with immortality. Eru just throws human souls into a spiritual furnace.
Satanist actually believes this
That's just one book by a reddit adjacent idiot
I don't know if it's really so common among Russians to praise / identify with Mordor
classic
immortality
This anon would allow himself to get ring wraith'd and then spend the next hundreds of years coping.
Because you are a retarded nigger cocksucker.