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implying nerds weren't faggots themselves

It's another villain is evil white man with no chance of redemption. At least the black villain hairdresser was forgiven at the end of last episode.

moffat decides to launch doctor who in america

tumblrites are introduced to the show and become obsessed

moffat tries appealing to them with fanwanky crap like osgood

as tumblr becomes known for it's political slant, doctor who follows

licence for doctor who comics is given from IDW to Titan, now comics entirely focus on fanwank ideological storylines

by series 10, the show is full of non-stop references to donald trump and random lectures from the doctor about how gender is meaningless

nonetheless, the ideologues still despise moffat and see him as sexist, and no one else wants to be on the receiving end of that, so chibnall is the only volunteer to be showrunner

chibnall delivers death blow by casting someone unqualified for the role, solely because they're a woman

RTD sees what other showrunners have done, and the expanded universe, and realises he doesn't need to be on a leash and goes full gay when he returns

Why would some interstellar song contest care about bringing a human presenter from a small country on an irrelevant planet from centuries ago

Same reason they had a "Davinadroid" and "Annedroid" on Satellite 5.

Russell is actually making Space Babies relevant to the finale

He really thought that episode was gonna be well recieved didn't he?

That actually made sense though since they were both the original presenters of those respective shows
But Rylan? He's not even the most iconic UK Eurovision presenter, though obviously they can't bring back Terry Wogan
I could at least buy them bringing Graham Norton back since other Euros love him as a presenter, he's co-presented several Eurovision projects alongside the Swedish host Petra Mede, but who the fuck outside the UK knows who Rylan is?

And also, why freeze him
Davinadroid wasn't Davina McCall, it was an android imitating her
Why not have a hologram of Rylan or something, why go to the trouble of freezing him instead especially when it makes zero sense to the Earth is gone arc

There is definitely a problem with nerds being unable to say no to stuff like this, because "that would be bullying, and I got bullied when I was a kid...".
It's a complete weakness they have as a group, and they need to get over it, if they ever want to wrestle back control of any of the shit that they used to love.

It's not that outlandish to say "look, the Doctor isn't a flamboyant gay man. Just stop it, and fuck off. This is a science fiction show".

2023

Nucuti's 2million Instagram followers will add a welcomed boost to the over all viewing figures.

2025

viewing habits and the TV landscape has changed, overnight figures are no longer important - what matters now is the accumulated views over the entire season run.

LMFAO

its hundreds, perhaps thousands of years later, they found an affable and fairly likeable gaylord frozen in the ruins of Earth. Probably spotted him from the light glinting off his teeth or something.
The revive him to learn about Earth history, as the only survior of humanity:

"So Rylan, tell us about your species, what is the most important thing it did?"

"Once a year we 'ave a super camp jamboree where all the nations of the world that actually mean something, see who can come up with the best song."

"Actually that sounds like fun, does the best song win?"

"Fuck me, no. one week ago the best song was Remember Mondays one but that got nil points 'cos Europe is still seething ovah Brexit. Some shite abaht a sauna won."

"But how is it possible to enjoy something where the one who should win does not?"

"Babes, we don't let America enter, its worth it to see them so upset."

And so they unfreeze Rylan every year and have a big camp song show, for shits and giggles. It is all that remains of the entire endeavours and history of humanity.

Bigeneration makes zero sense and RTD just made it up on the spot. Don't forget he also declared that it was retroactive, meaning every single Doctor "bigenerated" now, and that the garbage Tales of the Tardis spin-off is canon and the old Doctors you see in them have bigenerated.
The only reason for all this is that RTD hasn't gotten over his husband's death and won't stop writing garbage about undoing death.

Normies thought Space Babies was a masterpiece.

It's not that outlandish to say "look, the Doctor isn't a flamboyant gay man. Just stop it, and fuck off. This is a science fiction show".

Doctor Who has ALWAYS been about change. So you need to accept a Toyota Coralla in Middle Earth and Doctor Who getting slammed in the bussy

I am not watching it and have been too busy to even seen summarises for the last few episodes. What is going on?

Space Babies got higher ratings therefore people liked it

By that logic Jodie's first episode must be among the best of NuWho then

Because it was a cheap show for turbonerds, not men. Its fans hate "macho-ness" on principle.

The Rani is back and is now played by an Indian woman.

Normies

Twitter Freaks aren't normies.

This is exactly why the franchise is fucked either way. If it continues on the air, it'll just keep getting cannibalised by RTD and his ilk. If it goes on hiatus, that'll only secure control of it to the LGTV4K+ ideologues who already tightly control the expanded universe.
It has never been so over.

Surely it is just part of a wider trend over the last however many years. Pretty much everything was chasing after the mythical 'modern audience', of which the LGBT is considered a massive part and that a bunch of people who do not even care for the shows insist they must cater to. So that means things not only get geared towards them, they also both attract those people to work on them and they get invited in to the point of overrepresentation.

The reoccurring mystery box old woman was revealed to be the Rani. She bigenerated into an Indian woman. Also Susan showed up as a vision and told Ncuti that she always thought the Doctor was a homosexual

You can say what you want about them when it comes to their takes on Doctor Who, but it is not fair to include the likes of JNT and Gatiss in with a lot of the others.

masterpiece

a METAPHYSICAL masterpiece mind you

Don't forget there are two of them. Bi-regeneration is canon.

Also Susan showed up as a vision and told Ncuti that she always thought the Doctor was a homosexual

Fuck off, you're joking?

Also Susan showed up as a vision and told Ncuti that she always thought the Doctor was a homosexual

Jesus Christ - ReTarD is crashing this IP with no survivors - he is fucking it up so much that no one will want to touch it. He is making sure that only he and his fuck-buddy minions are the only ones that will have anything to do with it.

BREAKING FUCKING NEWS

FORMER WALES AND BRITISH LIONS RUGBY INTERNATIONAL

Jamie Roberts

TO BE DOCTOR

BBC Wales have fucked up and put the article about the next doctor and who plays them online too soon.

Bet you all thought it was a mistake when this series airdates were first revealed during the 6 nations Rugby... That might have been the plan all along.

Get in hear before they realise their mistake and take it down:
bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2qvle97nvp

What is your reaction to the Doctor now being played by a macho white guy next series?

yes, she also said he is brave and powerful

zomg

Ncuti > Tennant

First William Russell, now Carole Ann Ford

This really is a humiliation ritual

I'm confident whenever the show returns after the inevitable hiatus, the new showrunner will just start off with a clean slate, much like RTD himself did
At least, if they have a brain and acknowledge that casual viewers don't want a fucking headache

Susan showed up as a vision and told Ncuti that she always thought the Doctor was a homosexual

Time to delete all my pirated audios and wash my hands of this franchise.

Just have the Daleks or whoever reset the timeline and erase that entire section of the canon. That’s how comic books undo the mess the previous writers made.

The size of her tits in the interstellar song contest, she won't be needing that "Milk" button.

Why is it that so many women get massive anime style bolt-on fake tits the second they hit the menopause in a desperate attempt at attention. Picrel, but I could have posted Vorderman instead of Bai Ling or any number of female celebs.

the new showrunner will just start off with a clean slate, much like RTD himself did

Are you saying as a brand new continuity, because at this point that is what you would have to do. Starting at a 16th or 17th Doctor brings all the issues in a way that soft rebooting with 9th did not. Not that I am convinced some hard reboot will not just enable bad ideas from the 'original universe' or whatever it gets called to just enter into.

Would be very funny if this episode is never seen again because their lawyers force them to take it down. The Bakers are both dead though so I imagine the BBC must be pretty confident with the rights to approve this.

That’s how comic books undo the mess the previous writers made.

And it never works. Why would you want to replicate the bad shit from comics?

This clip, but with the Doctor, RTD, and Juno Dawson

southparkstudios.co.uk/video-clips/1pqm36/south-park-look-out-indy

because once they've done the irritating "oh no all the multiverse timelines are converging and now the original Robin is alive again" nonsense, they can just go back to the status quo.

thing is, Doctor Who's status quo is so open it doesn't need any of this shit. the 'mysterious backstory' doesn't need elaborating on or resolved. just have adventures. but i'd be happy with a cracks-in-time wipe.

like at this point i guess everyone on Earth knows about aliens, UNIT and so on? fine. go to other planets.

Susan did return but didn't say the stuff about the Doctor being a homo. However she'll be back in the finale and will probably say something like that then

What is your reaction to the Doctor now being played by a macho white guy next series?

The culture war is over!
We won, guys!

it never works

Crisis on Infinite Earths was actually a phenomenal success, it only fell apart after about a quarter century.

You can only bring Susan back once

They're blowing it on an RTD2 finale

Fuck me. This is the worst timeline.

Omega is coming back too. It makes me think RTD is done with the show, because his finales always involve bringing a classic who character back, but now who is even left?

his finales always involve bringing a classic who character back, but now who is even left?

David Tennant

but now who is even left?

It's even debatable the degree to which it was always about change.
The Doctor basically has two modes as a character: old professor, or younger and questionably insane professor.
The exception being maybe David Tennant, who leant more into into being that annoying guy you know from work.
The Doctor (back when he was the Doctor), as a character, is really just slight variations on a central theme.

Billie Piper is the 16th Doctor

Bring back Tennant as a villain

God, he's gonna do it isn't he?

The Doctor should be written as Captain Nemo if he went to a British boarding school

Yeah, pretty much.

So who's the unholy trinity? The Master, The Rani and....
Conrad?
Susan?
Omega?
Sounds gay

I would argue that when you get down to it each Doctor is just a variation of or focusing more in one aspect of the character that was established by the end of First. The only fundamental change to have come with the character is him absorbing the action/physicality function of Ian by the Third Doctor, but even then with First you got things like this youtube.com/watch?v=a9njqBHwJbQ

it was falling apart only a year or two later
there a reason DC had to try and fix agein soon after with Zero Hour, and then had to try and fix ti again with Infinite Crisis and then Final Crisis and the New 52 before just saying "fuck it it's all Canon" with Dark Knights Death Metal and Doomsday Clock

Watching Mark of The Rani now, Perri is so fucking cute bros

youtube.com/watch?v=4SGfMomp93s

They already brought back Susan in Big Finish, that has always been the canon one to me

Yeah, no.
It's a show about time travel and all the shenanigans that go along with it when unwitting 'normal' people suddenly find themselves involved in incredible adventures. Re-focusing the show as an exploration of gender identity and political ideology is what has killed it.

I don't get it.

The same people who say Doctor Who is about change were the same people who praised Tennant's return as a new incarnation

It is kind of interesting the degree to which the third Doctor was a kind of evolutionary dead end, despite being a popular era of the show.
they never leant so hard in to the idea of him being more of a fighter, or a James Bond style secret agent, after that era.

Rassilon? Borusa? On a different point it was retarded of RTD to bring back Rassilon as he did in RTD1 rather than Borusa. Borusa makes just makes more sense in-universe, and people that are not familiar with Classic are not going to react more positively to one or the other as they have not idea who either are.

Not every event/crossover/sequel is a big reset.
Crisis held steady until Flashpoint/New 52, and things have only been a who-gives-a-shit mess since Rebirth.

I believe HG Wells himself once said "science fiction is all about wearing your wife's clothes, and getting bummed". Very inspiring stuff.

Its funny because the hairdresser was doing the EXACT same thing, although they said he could kill billions, not trillions, maybe THATS the difference. Retarded show.

So who's the unholy trinity?

Omega and the two Rani's.

Actual answer is that it's a humiliation ritual and the people who push it are trying to destroy every last trace of your culture by tainting it with gay trannification
The same 'people' did this shit to star wars/trek as well, purely out of cultural spite and hatred. Idiots like Moffat and RTD are just the fart-huffing foot soldiers who actually believe the shit they write, but the exec who made the call to put them in charge couldn't give less of a shit about the LGBTBBC or the 'modern audience' he just wants to see you in pain as something you loved dies a slow and prolonged death.

PLANET OF THE INCELS

lmao even tardis wiki hated it
tardis.wiki/wiki/Talk:The_Interstellar_Song_Contest_(TV_story)

kek

I guess Rassilon COULD work with the The Master and The Rani at this point..i forgot The Doctor dethroned him like 5 seasons ago.

Just a reminder of Tardis:Discussion policy - "Discussions on an article's talk page must relate to the editing of the article". It's not really the place for you to make witty asides about what you thought of the story.

Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis were major continuity reset their main purpose was retconning and fixing things that didn't work

These are also two of only three episodes where Ncuti directly defeats the villain

Pajeeta Rani kinda sexy wouldn't mind her experimenting upon me

This looks like it could be a screencap from one of those old Youtube reviewer movies.

polish polish

polish polish

their main purpose was retconning and fixing things that didn't work

Their main purpose was trying to close in on Marvel's market share, narrative wise they were big for individual characters like Hal Jordan and Superboy Prime but small potatoes compared to a big reset.

They need bigger villains again.

Like who takes the Master and Rani seriously at this point?

They're literally just the Doctors mates from the academy.

I'd prefer to see them all have to work together against a bigger threat.

I actually got a tad emotional during the climax of that episode, even if the first half was a bit shit.

Hilarious they made "rage against the machine" the bad guys, almost as if they're afraid

They need bigger villains again.

The villain in today's episode came within minutes of killing over 3 trillion people/lifeforms

HEY RUSSELL I KNOW YOU LURK -
SO JUST KNOW THAT I FUCKING HATE AND DESPISE YOU AND - NO I AM NOT WHITE

It's a nice idea, but he's probably on Twitter.

I would say they sort of did. Come Third onwards the abandons the Ian-esque character. Ian, Steven, Ben and Jaime were companions that served the function of being more physical and a classic hero compared to the less actiony eccentric professor that was the Doctor. In certain respects the Ian-esque character is more integrated into the narrative than other companions and more equally, if not more, narratively focused upon than the Doctor himself. Harry is the last real Ian-esque character, and he is redundant through Tom Banker being a younger and more psychically capable actor than what the production were originally expecting. Of the other male companions following Harry you have Adric who is more boy than man, Turlough who is more characterised by being shifty and is with 'young' Fifth also, and by Nu the likes of Jack or Nardole are never really the main companion and we are talking about the point of the Doctor reaching a level of being able to fight someone who has a sword whilst he himself only has a spoon. The closet reversion back to separating the Doctor and Ian role happens with Seventh and Ace.

The Valeyard

He's not, he's on Insta
He never goes on twitter, even before Elon bought it

Do you think the whole "sponsor is le evil" was directed at Eurovision being sponsored by Moroccanoil (an Israeli company)?

Well Ncuti has been kicked off Eurovision tonight, so maybe

I doubt it.

Here's your Doctor Who episode writer (and likely next showrunner) bro.

So whats the deal with Poppy?
Poppy Honey?
Space babies Poppy is in the next episode.

Fighting against mega corporations is le evil

Stop listening to RATM

Thank you BBC

I like episodes where the Doctor gets angry and we see he's insanely more powerful than the villain to the point where they're terrified

Reminder that all accounts of civilian casualties during the destruction of poppy fields were provided by the Hellian-run health ministry

kek

OH MY GOD IT'S RYLAN GUYS
YOU KNOW RYLAN

I mean that's just a fundamental flaw of art being run by neo liberal corporations now.

A story can't involve breaking down a system to start fresh, the moral has to be about operating within the system and just taking out the bad actors

He pulled out when Israel made it to the finals, because of half his family getting genocided with machetes in Rwanda in front of him and he only surviving by hiding under their bloody corpses. Turns out the possibility of having to award 12 points to a country that is doing genocides right here and now was somewhat of a red-line to him.

everyone is fine to be dethawed because..gravity shield

The Rani dies because...Time Lord brain freeze?

The Doctor is fine because....Susan?

Holy fuck this show is retarded.
How can they not just be

RTD has always done this shit

The Master makes the Doctor old

Every human shouting his name at once empowers him, turns him young and gives him superpowers

Reminder that an actual card-carrying communist had more subtly, nuance, and meaningful things to say than Doctor Who writers now.

I never even knew Rylan existed until they played a clip of him on HIGNFY last week, I assume their first choice was Alison Hammond.

She was frozen much longer a she didn't ride through space on a confetti cannon.

*a herbaceous plant with showy flowers, milky sap, and rounded seed capsules. Many poppies contain alkaloids and are a source of drugs such as morphine and codeine

The size of her tits in the interstellar song contest, she won't be needing that "Milk" button.

This week's "something for the dads":

G-cup GILFs

What’s the point of bigeneration? If you wanted to have a multi-Rani or multi-Doctor story, you could simply use the fact that it’s a show about time travel to explain it. This is why Moffat was better.

Glad they didn't considering how they wrote him in Hell Bent. It makes more sense for Dalton Rassilon to not survive getting attacked by the Master so then he regenerates into a buck broken Rassilon.

Could’ve sped up the process of saving them all if they’d just reflected the tractor beam off his teeth

The speculation is it comes from RTD having become massively averse to death following the illness and death of his partner. So it is for him to say that none of the Doctor incarnations have died because, he does not like the idea of death to a mind broken degree.

Brown women in orange jumpsuits owe me sex

What’s the point of bigeneration?

RTD needs therapy to cope with his husband's death but is instead taking it out on a 60 year old franchise

sex positivity is good!*

*unless it's appealing to straight men, even though everybody likes boobs

What went so horribly wrong with film/television?

Because binary...binary... something or what ever.

Also last season's finale being the Doctor fighting the literal god of death and bringing everyone back to life

So this is the Ood Sigma of RTD2 just like Karl was for the Chibnall Era? You all remember Karl, right?

with machetes in Rwanda in front of him and he only surviving by hiding under their bloody corpses

Lol wat. Gatwa came to the UK when he was a toddlet. He has no experience of the Rwandan genocide because his parents were African poshos who were able to buy their way out of getting killed.

I thought Bi-generation was because of Toymaker shenanigans. Is this just what we do now with time lords?
If the "former" body can no longer regenerate like 14 and Flood, while the new body can, I'm not entirely against it. It just seems unneccesary.

It has nothing to do with the Toymaker, that was just fan cope
The Toymaker himself is even confused by it in the episode

You all remember Karl, right?

Who da fuk is Karl??

Am I the only one here who likes Rylan? He was kino on the Channel 5 Big Brother spin-off back in the day. He also has good banter in the Eurovision semi-finals.

But The Doctor explained the only reason he could dupe the TARDIS was because of the Toymakers influence still being present but waining.
I guess the Doctor did say "it's supposed to be a myth" so it's about the salt at the edge of the universe, not the Toymaker.

I don't mind him, but the choice to include him in this episode was retarded

Oh shit now I've got the image of Simm and Gomez bigenerating in WEAT/TDF. Fuck you Russell, we didn't know how good we had it!

He's a decent host, seems well meaning enough

There is a suprising lack of images ITT

He was the dude who Jodie saved from Tim Shaw in her first episode. Then completely out of fucking nowhere he had a random cameo at the end of Eve of the Daleks like three years later.

The only good thing to come out of this era is the new Murray Gold tracks. The song that plays during the Rani reveal is very nice.

last week: everybody is black

this week: everybody is gay

next week: everybody is ???

trans

How do you do an Interstellar Song Contest with fuck all legacy aliens? Where's the Ood singing, where's the rocking Sycorax? Hell, even Chibnall managed to do it when Jodie got sent to prison.

Cora is competing for Trion, which was established as Turlough’s home planet in TV: Planet of Fire.

What a pisstake. Most expensive episode of Doctor Who my arse.

I thought that was his only good track this series. The rest of the time he’s been phoning it in or reusing old ones

David Tennant

a chud

OWS

I guess this thing is supposed to be the same race as this guy from Mission to the Unknown / Daleks' Masterplan. Pitiful effort desu

I guess the moment to moment music has been a little weaker, but the big themes have been nice.
I like 15 and Rubys theme.
Also the remix of that space babies song for The Reality War he played on the radio is pretty good

The closet reversion back to separating the Doctor and Ian role happens with Seventh and Ace.

And then Big Finish went all the way with it by adding Hex.

If I had a pound for everytime Zombie Doctor Who featured a half-cat thing instead of a New Earth catkind I'd have two pounds, which isn't a lot, but it's funny it happened twice.

If TimeLords are now bigenerating - Nucuti should be splitting into two at the end of the series, right?

I honestly expected this to be the one where they shoehorn in all the old RTD1 villains.

What happened to being a rebel and fighting the power? Why are they sucking corporate cock and simping for the government? That's not cool.

Capital bought up art, so the only "rebellion" can be culture war stuff

If i had to guess "the reality war" will probably be the finale of the magic and gods nonsense started in Wild Blue Yonder, amd by the time the doc regenerates it'll be back to normal.

Disney must be pissed - they spent all this money and got what in return?

Disney money

Reusing the time hotels corridor for the main set for 99% of the runtime

This has got to be a scam, right?

so the only "rebellion" can be culture war stuff

Except corporations and government policies were in full support of the Left, so what rebellion is there?

havent seen any of this season, just the big mystery box spoilers, is it worth watching? Ncuti's performance was fun but none of the episodes were that interesting

Anyone else watching the final at the cinema? What'll be our Chicken Jockey moment, Jodie showing up?

God that story is good. It had absolutely no right being in this thread

I read that as "regenerates from black to normal" lol