Do you think Ralph killed the horse?

Do you think Ralph killed the horse?

It didn't matter. It mattered that he might have. He had the capacity to have done it.

Of course he did

Obviously.

Gangsters horse starts to cost more money than it's making

Sudden and mysterious fire

Gangster gets insurance pay out

Its extremely blatant

No, sometimes people benefit from bad situations. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy behind everything. Ralph is a changed man after that thing with his son.

It makes the show better & more ironic if he didn’t. I personally want to believe he didn’t his plea before he does by Tony seemed authentic it makes the scene more dark & funny

Good answer.

Wrong answer.

When I think about it? I think he "wished" he had. Tony's suffering made him happy. Think about this way, he fucked his sister. Did he Lord it over Tony like your own friends would? I fucked my friend's sisters without admitting to it. Because the power of them not knowing and imaging the worst... that's where the power was.

SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT CREATURE

If Tony wanted to play the moralist he shouldn't have become a mobster. But then again that's kind of what the whole show is about.

Probably

When Tony greedily made Ralph give him that giant cut of the winnings he made the horse too low profit to be sustainable, and basically ensured some kind of alternate scheme to make money with the horse. Tony killed that Horse.

I don't think Ralphie killed the horse. Tony accusing Ralphie of killing the horse and not thinking that Ralphie could not have possibly done it just further homes that Tony loves animals more than people and the fact that he's continuing to lose his grip on his crew and reality. As the show goes on he is the one that causes the downfall of his crew. Tony being greedy about the horse causing Ralphie to kill the horse does make sense, but I also think it's funnier that Ralphie is innocent in that particular situation.

IT WAS A FUCKIN HORSE. WHAT DO YOU CARE YOU EAT MEAT BY THE FUCKIN CARLOAD

he obviously did
the moment he said SO WHAT IF I DID, that was his admission. up until then he maintained plausible deniability

Ralph clearly didn't kill the horse.
What matters here is that Tony knew he was giving Ralph motive to fuck him over when he was an asshole over those horse race winnings, only his response isn't to stop being an asshole, it's to resent Ralph for maybe now having a motive & a specific way to get back at him.
Tony's already so bitter that he can only muster up any empathy for truly innocent creatures, like animals, so he's distraught by the horse he cared about dying and wants to feel like it's the fault of someone he can punish.
Ralph is a slimeball shitheel that Tony still hates for beating that dancer to death, so Tony wants the justification of a horse murder so badly it makes him ignore reality
Then the icing on the cake is Ralph using the same whiny explanation he used for why him killing the dancer didn't matter.

SHE WAS A FUCKIN WHOOOAH

IT WAS A FUCKING WHOOOAHSE

So Tony has a tantrum like he always does

The scene is 10x better if Ralph didn't actually kill the horse because it means it's a violent scene of two reprehensible manchild retards fighting to the death while they're both wrong about everything. It's so fucking funny, there's way more than enough ambiguity to make the audience doubt what happened, there was DEFINITELY enough ambiguity to make Tony not just kill someone with his bare hands in a fit of rage, he just does it anyway because he's a dumbfuck.

If Ralph did actually kill the horse it's just another boring episode of mafioso kills a backstabber which is lame and very not-sopranos

David Chase said Ralphie killed the horse.

NO HE DID NOOOT. BUT SO WHAT

Giving a fuck about what decrepit senile David Chase has to say about anything

I'm actually embarrassed for you

His show.

Are you uhh.. retarded or something?

I think he did for the simple reason that he pretended to be upset about it at the start.
Also is it true that they shot two versions, one where Ralph admitted it and one where he denied it, and they spliced them together?

Yeah, dude. Just let the director who made this scene purposefully ambiguous ruin the ambiguity of it by giving his opinion on it

Chase confirmed he did

That was american psycho

Yes, but I choose no because it would be funny if Tony killed Ralph for literally no reason

I don’t think you understand the concept of expressing an opinion vs. stating a fact do you? I seem to see this issue come up a lot on this board come to think of it

I don’t know if you’re misremembering but it was definitely not very if at all ambiguous anon

Watch developer commentary done by the two writers of this very episode

youtu.be/br3wrLq6yAs?si=cwMwPCMg4kKsoRlk&t=1023

Ralph's actor played the scene as if Ralph did not kill the horse

Both writers disagree, Robin thinks he did it, which surprises Mitchell, who seems to think it's clear that Ralph didn't kill the horse

I don't give a FUCK what David Chase thinks. The co-writers found it so ambiguous that they couldn't even agree on what happened and the actor was playing a not-guilty Ralph on screen.
ALL that matters is that whether he killed the horse or not is the option that makes the narrative more compelling and interesting, and the story is SIGNIFICANTLY better if he didn't kill the horse.
I'm begging you all to kill yourselves

It was

Your tard level headcanon is super gay lol

Spent 2 hours today trying to think if Joey Pants real name

except the first reply was right
fpbp

cope and seethe, tranny, cope and seethe.

I don’t think so. He’s not really a good liar and his denials in that scene seemed genuine. It didn’t matter to Tony whether he did it or not, he was just angry and grieving about Pie-O-My’s death and looking for someone to direct his rage toward. He already hated Ralph so it was the perfect storm

errmmm fuck the creator my reddit theory is better!!!

KYS

Oh you’re just a cancerfag tourist trying your damnedest to fit in but not doing a very good job, carry on I suppose.

Doesn't matter ultimately just like him saying the ending is a death scene doesn't matter

There's worse things in life. Like pretending to enjoy Sopranos because of name recognition.

Here we all are pretending to be "deep" when the hack writer made episodes about talking fish.

ofc he did it

Do you think Ralph killed the horse?

Not important. The important thing about the horse arc is that Ralphie made himself look like an amoral monster by all his actions during the series, even among by mobster sociopath standards. So no one had any sympathy for him, only contempt. Which ended up exploding on his face when he was confronted by Tony and even if he was completely sincere to him he would never buy it.

she was a whoarse

its the fact that one cannot know that makes Tony kill him

tony is a creature of routine and predictability
that's why he's depressed, but he's not selfaware enough to come to this realization

They did something similar with the Ralphie scene

I let some old fart dictate how I think and feel about what I watch instead of thinking for myself

Very cool

"We need a close-up shot of this goat while they drag the dead horse out of the wreckage"

"Why?"

"idk, I just like goats :> make it do a goat noise, too"

Talking billy bass were a common trinket back in the 90s

My friend works as a trainer since he was a kid. Been around horses his whole life. He said there are owners who really care about their horses and those that don't. He said Ralph might've killed it but there's no way to know for sure.

I've fapped to this video more times than I'd like to admit.

Ralph is the devil. Goats are associated with the devil. It's very allegorical, you wouldn't understand

I ignore what the series shows and what it's creator says because I like my headcanon more

Alright lil bro

I know you were sold on the Sopranos being a super cool wicked nihilist tv show with deep psychology behind all it has to say, but you have to understand it really was just another tv crime show.
We like to think it wasn't but it was. It not only ends the way any crime show would, it ends with the most pure interpretation of things with Meadow killing Tony.

It's called death of the author, zoomie

the word of one of the hundreds of people who worked on this show is gospel because it just is ok

Please die

It's called not being fucking retarded and supplementing the story with shit you made up in your head.

Ummm I decided tony is trans now! That means it's true!

no, the manner in which the actor characterized his vehement denial conveyed strong conviction and indignation at the absurdity of the claim

Pantoliano is a capable actor and wouldn't deliver those notes unless instructed to, and he wouldn't have been instructed to unless the writer believed that he was innocent or at a minimum wanted the viewer to believe that

logically, within the story, its highly unlikely he would have had time to think of doing it anyway given his son's condition and the degree to which he cared about him

furthermore, its demonstrated that tony also believed ralph didn't actually kill the horse, as seen in the dream metaphors that compare him to a butterfly transformation ie that ralph was a changed person in tony's view over the incident with his son

not to mention that tony knew he fucked up within minutes of killing ralph

so
no
he did not kill the horse

Tony was looking for any excuse to the point where he was asking Sil if he could just do it no questions asked. It was a golden ticket because animal cruelty is impossible to defend.

How did Tony explain Ralph's disappearance to the crew?

Vito inherited the construction union racket so the only question he asked was what time the security guard starts his shift

Nobody said that. Extra-textual commentary by the author is irrelevant; the work stands on its own. In this work, it is ambiguous if Ralph killed the horse or not, and thus whatever happened is left up to interpretation by the viewer.

kek

It's not really my style, but it was funny

He blamed it on Johnny Sac, but said there would be no retaliation without concrete proof, and everyone just moved on.

Wrong.

Talking billy bass were a common trinket back in the 90s

If you thought it was a pop culture reference, it probably was. The show runner was a fucking hack. And you all bought into it.

But "dead fish" is a long standing Costa Nostra reference with long history before the fucking mob became a thing in America. And I'm not putting you on blast. It's just that the first exposure everybody ITT had to the mafia was shit you saw on television. That's why Anon Babble resonates with so many of you. You didn't experience any of this shit first hand. You learned about it from a film or a book. Y'all probably think Rambo was based on a true story.

No shit sleeping with the fishes is a mob term and of course it was also a pop culture reference

No I think it was Paulie. The scene before Tony gets the call about Pie-o-My, Paulie is bitching about Ralph because he is getting jewed over that safe being cracked

Also. Later on when Paulie is in his apartment doing chores, on the TV is a George Foreman Grill commercial. The voiceover says something about "roasted to perfection" and Paulie looks up at the Tony/Pie O My painting in shock (or horror?). Not because he realizes that Tony killed Ralph, but because he was the one who was responsible

That would be brilliant actually and the best case scenario outside of it being AJ for god knows what reason. But you have to remember that this was David Chase were talking about. A guy who didn't even know how to wrap up his own epic past the first season. A creator who left his cult pissing in the wind with dream scenarios, retarded plot twists, and an ending that was literally "fade to black".

Retards like this worship Sopranos, because they don't know any better. Ask them to write a show about the mafia? They'll remake "Wiseguys" for zoomers. Sopranos was a cultural phenomenon. Like M.A.S.H. Or FRIENDS. Just derivative slop remakes from talentless jews who copied something better.

How did Ralphie harness the lightning bolt that started the fire?

Pie-o-my me 1000 horses.

1000 MORE?

neighs at Matt Drinkwater